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Re: Randy says he will try to get fans to Michael Jackson's Burial Site
People have as many different ideas of what's appropriate as there are people on this earth it seems.
When I was there the second time I had my three year old with me- and there were two other kids, playing jump rope and at some point all kids were chasing each other and kid's laughter was filling the place, I have a very hard time imagining Michael Jackson would object to the laughter of happy children.
Sticking the camera through the door while the flowers are being brought in seems a bit touristy to me, I guess other people feel differently.
I also don't quite understand the hype and the preemptive "Oh my God, fans will cause a horrific scene". There was a cryptic tweet by someone who likes to tweet cryptic things. I'm on ignore modus. No need to freak out. Last I checked nobody (from the fans) has really been out of line there so far, no need to raise the warning finger just because. There are also plenty of other graves that people visit and Michael Jackson's grave isn't the only place there.
Forest Lawn has been acting pretty obnoxious and uptight for a long time, people who actually have relatives in the mausoleum were complaining as well because of some of their policies. Imagine you actually have a loved one in there and are being bullied about a photo...
The intention of the park was a totally different one and changes have been made long before Michael Jackson, not everything relates back to him, really.
They even had a nickname for one of the guards inside, "Nazi Joan". I can't complain, every one was friendly when I was there although you do feel watched. That would be one reason for me never to bury someone there because you are being watched and that must be stressful for those who have a loved one there.
Last I checked it also wasn't fans who took pictures that either got sold to TMZ or circulated on different grave sites. So far those were pictures by people who had access to Holly Terrace or God knows who. I haven't read on any board that a fan got in and is boasting pictures.
I personally don't think the world is ending because a picture is now public because somehow most people even on this board have seen them despite the policy of them not being posted here- what does that tell us?
I honestly don't get all bent out of shape because of a picture with a bunch of flowers, really. I still respected a) the rules of Forest Lawn and b) didn't desperately try sneaking pictures of something that's off limits.
If the family really didn't want anybody there they simply could have cremated him and scattered his ashes across the oceans or kept an urn at home. (does California allow that? I know that you wouldn't be able to pull that in many countries due to health code regulations or were they advised not to cremate because of ongoing investigations, don't know)
That was up to the family and if we believe the hearsay, Katherine Jackson. The place was their choice; it's not like the decision was made within 24 hours either.
Besides it simply is impossible to win this. If NOTHING happens, tabloids will write whatever they want anyway ("sunflowers"), if something MIGHT happen (Randy Jackson), tabloids go nuts regardless. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So fans should simply relax and not self-flagellate over an issue they have no control over, not something they didn't do wrong. The filming with the door open is a grey zone but honestly if that's the "worst complaint" that's not too bad considering HOW BIG the fan base is.
People seriously need to get over themselves a bit, people are as diverse on Holly Terrace as there are nations on this earth. Think of your own family, there will ALWAYS be someone in a wedding or funeral who thinks someone else is out of line. ("Look at that girl, she had way too much to drink and that skirt is way too short!)
Maybe we install "nationality checkers" next, just to make sure only sane nationalities can come there. My mom's from Ukraine and I have lived there- do I qualify? :rofl::rofl:
When you pass the nationality test you have to answer a brief questionnaire by the Morality Police (MP) who will look at your username, your postings numbers and your IP address just to make sure you are not a hypocrite. If your posting numbers are too high, you will be told to beat it and to get a life, this will apply to everyone with a post count of over 1000 and anybody who ever wrote the word "gold pants" will be not allowed anyway- because those are just not people for real.
All posters who are members of SEVERAL MJ boards are totally nuts and are immediately excluded.
Questions will be:
"Are you still listening to Oxman's Ustreams- I mean, for real??" (I think my browser was not supported and I couldn't find the "play" button, that's the honest truth)
"Whom did you pledge allegiance too, Justice4MJ, TINI, or are you more of a renegade style loner who sits at the further bench glaring at others who's breathing is audible??" (as they say in one movie: "Fight!!!! A real one!!!" And no, I cried by the door but didn't leave lipstick marks)
"When was the last time you clicked onto TMZ? Exemptions in cases of emotional distress ("for informational purposes only") can be filed with the Permanent Commission of Suitability (PC) upon arrival. Females under 60 are suspect regardless, married people will receive one bonus point.
In order to prove your loyalty to Michael Jackson, please provide proof of the following of "having REALLY showed somebody, and I mean LIKE REALLY" that may include, but is not limited to:
-having gotten into a nasty youtube war with somebody who thought this would be the perfect playground for homophobic slurs against Michael Jackson, but confused him with George Michael? And it was actually a Freddie Mercury video?
-bitched/cursed out at least 3 newspapers? (one)
-tweeted "murderer" at least once, or at least thought about?
Do you agree that as punishment Harvey Levin should be made to wear at least a jacket
every once in a while, or do you wish he would at least wear Arnie's jacket in an effort to
a)redeem himself and
b)exercise diplomacy to avoid WWIII?
If Arnie sees his jacket, he might relax again.
Harsher punishment would be his interns making him watch a sex tape starring Tom Sneddon, Arnold Klein and Jason Pfeiffer. I think even Harvey Levin would find that shocking.
While we're on the subject especially the Americans need to take heed.
A strict dress code has to be observed at all times, after all we don't want to be portrayed as slobs by slobs who look less professional than European interns who are allowed to chain smoke, remember, our collective failure in this department will haunt us in eternity.
Tattoos need to be covered at all times, we will supply a big bowl for piercings and other rebellions against your mother when you were 16, please supply your visa or your visa waiver stamp upon arrival.
I don't mean any of this seriously, let's just leave this non-stop judgement and moral holier than thou at the gates, please.
There's nothing wrong with people taking a trip to a cemetery, as long as people adhere to Forest Lawn rules, they are fine. If they don't adhere Forest Lawn will simply guide them off the property, they do that every day with people who are NOT visiting Michael Jackson's grave.
I'm personally a bit done with reading from various people who complain from anything about singing (because we all know how MJ hated singing...), to god knows what.
If you personally have no need to go, that's fine, those that want to go are fine as well. People mourn differently, that's all. What's with this "kin liability" for all MJ fans? Just watch yourself and those that you meet up with, there's no need to throw stones at others.
People have as many different ideas of what's appropriate as there are people on this earth it seems.
When I was there the second time I had my three year old with me- and there were two other kids, playing jump rope and at some point all kids were chasing each other and kid's laughter was filling the place, I have a very hard time imagining Michael Jackson would object to the laughter of happy children.
Sticking the camera through the door while the flowers are being brought in seems a bit touristy to me, I guess other people feel differently.
I also don't quite understand the hype and the preemptive "Oh my God, fans will cause a horrific scene". There was a cryptic tweet by someone who likes to tweet cryptic things. I'm on ignore modus. No need to freak out. Last I checked nobody (from the fans) has really been out of line there so far, no need to raise the warning finger just because. There are also plenty of other graves that people visit and Michael Jackson's grave isn't the only place there.
Forest Lawn has been acting pretty obnoxious and uptight for a long time, people who actually have relatives in the mausoleum were complaining as well because of some of their policies. Imagine you actually have a loved one in there and are being bullied about a photo...
The intention of the park was a totally different one and changes have been made long before Michael Jackson, not everything relates back to him, really.
They even had a nickname for one of the guards inside, "Nazi Joan". I can't complain, every one was friendly when I was there although you do feel watched. That would be one reason for me never to bury someone there because you are being watched and that must be stressful for those who have a loved one there.
Last I checked it also wasn't fans who took pictures that either got sold to TMZ or circulated on different grave sites. So far those were pictures by people who had access to Holly Terrace or God knows who. I haven't read on any board that a fan got in and is boasting pictures.
I personally don't think the world is ending because a picture is now public because somehow most people even on this board have seen them despite the policy of them not being posted here- what does that tell us?
I honestly don't get all bent out of shape because of a picture with a bunch of flowers, really. I still respected a) the rules of Forest Lawn and b) didn't desperately try sneaking pictures of something that's off limits.
If the family really didn't want anybody there they simply could have cremated him and scattered his ashes across the oceans or kept an urn at home. (does California allow that? I know that you wouldn't be able to pull that in many countries due to health code regulations or were they advised not to cremate because of ongoing investigations, don't know)
That was up to the family and if we believe the hearsay, Katherine Jackson. The place was their choice; it's not like the decision was made within 24 hours either.
Besides it simply is impossible to win this. If NOTHING happens, tabloids will write whatever they want anyway ("sunflowers"), if something MIGHT happen (Randy Jackson), tabloids go nuts regardless. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
So fans should simply relax and not self-flagellate over an issue they have no control over, not something they didn't do wrong. The filming with the door open is a grey zone but honestly if that's the "worst complaint" that's not too bad considering HOW BIG the fan base is.
People seriously need to get over themselves a bit, people are as diverse on Holly Terrace as there are nations on this earth. Think of your own family, there will ALWAYS be someone in a wedding or funeral who thinks someone else is out of line. ("Look at that girl, she had way too much to drink and that skirt is way too short!)
Maybe we install "nationality checkers" next, just to make sure only sane nationalities can come there. My mom's from Ukraine and I have lived there- do I qualify? :rofl::rofl:
When you pass the nationality test you have to answer a brief questionnaire by the Morality Police (MP) who will look at your username, your postings numbers and your IP address just to make sure you are not a hypocrite. If your posting numbers are too high, you will be told to beat it and to get a life, this will apply to everyone with a post count of over 1000 and anybody who ever wrote the word "gold pants" will be not allowed anyway- because those are just not people for real.
All posters who are members of SEVERAL MJ boards are totally nuts and are immediately excluded.
Questions will be:
"Are you still listening to Oxman's Ustreams- I mean, for real??" (I think my browser was not supported and I couldn't find the "play" button, that's the honest truth)
"Whom did you pledge allegiance too, Justice4MJ, TINI, or are you more of a renegade style loner who sits at the further bench glaring at others who's breathing is audible??" (as they say in one movie: "Fight!!!! A real one!!!" And no, I cried by the door but didn't leave lipstick marks)
"When was the last time you clicked onto TMZ? Exemptions in cases of emotional distress ("for informational purposes only") can be filed with the Permanent Commission of Suitability (PC) upon arrival. Females under 60 are suspect regardless, married people will receive one bonus point.
In order to prove your loyalty to Michael Jackson, please provide proof of the following of "having REALLY showed somebody, and I mean LIKE REALLY" that may include, but is not limited to:
-having gotten into a nasty youtube war with somebody who thought this would be the perfect playground for homophobic slurs against Michael Jackson, but confused him with George Michael? And it was actually a Freddie Mercury video?
-bitched/cursed out at least 3 newspapers? (one)
-tweeted "murderer" at least once, or at least thought about?
Do you agree that as punishment Harvey Levin should be made to wear at least a jacket
a)redeem himself and
b)exercise diplomacy to avoid WWIII?
If Arnie sees his jacket, he might relax again.
Harsher punishment would be his interns making him watch a sex tape starring Tom Sneddon, Arnold Klein and Jason Pfeiffer. I think even Harvey Levin would find that shocking.
While we're on the subject especially the Americans need to take heed.
A strict dress code has to be observed at all times, after all we don't want to be portrayed as slobs by slobs who look less professional than European interns who are allowed to chain smoke, remember, our collective failure in this department will haunt us in eternity.
Tattoos need to be covered at all times, we will supply a big bowl for piercings and other rebellions against your mother when you were 16, please supply your visa or your visa waiver stamp upon arrival.
I don't mean any of this seriously, let's just leave this non-stop judgement and moral holier than thou at the gates, please.
There's nothing wrong with people taking a trip to a cemetery, as long as people adhere to Forest Lawn rules, they are fine. If they don't adhere Forest Lawn will simply guide them off the property, they do that every day with people who are NOT visiting Michael Jackson's grave.
I'm personally a bit done with reading from various people who complain from anything about singing (because we all know how MJ hated singing...), to god knows what.
If you personally have no need to go, that's fine, those that want to go are fine as well. People mourn differently, that's all. What's with this "kin liability" for all MJ fans? Just watch yourself and those that you meet up with, there's no need to throw stones at others.
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