You can't cough while under general anesthesia. If he was coughing, he was awake.
Well, the patients do sometimes make "cough like" sounds/movements when waking up from general anesthesia. They kind of pull their body together and it's not really coughing but sort of "gasping"...like when you're trying to catch a breath or when you're about to throw up...it's hard to describe with words. Let me look if I can find a video on YouTube that would show what I mean. But still, it's hardly so loud that someone on the other end of the phone would hear loud enough to identify it as coughing.
Found this video ...and they don't show the guy waking up...but the video is good because it gives you sort of an understanding what you need to watch and monitor. Also...look at the guy after he has woken up....does he look like he'd be able to go ahead and grab a syringe and a vial and have the coordination to get a liquid into a syringe and get a syringe into an i.v....especially all within two minutes? Don't think so!! That's what I've been saying...that when you "wake up" from Propofol, it's not like you just jump up and go "Okay...let's go play some tennis!".
So even considering that fact makes Murray's defense HIGHLY unlikely!!...
Also...one other thing that the video made me think about....THE EYES!!!! Remember the EMTs said MJ's eyes were DRY! That would mean his eyes were open for a longer period of time with no blinking.....!!
10.30 and 12.30 are the same time. just houston and L.A time. somethings messed up. i dont c how she would get on the stand and give the wrong time. false reporting. i dunno
Well, I wouldn't really read too much into the time SHE says when the call was. I mean, if someone woudl ask me a year and a half later when I called someone or when someone called me...I don't think I'd know the exact time. SO maybe she just remembers it was somewhere around noon...but her recollection could be a bit off, especially if she didn't really read much into it when she rceived the call. But who knows. Besides, the phone records would not lie, so no matter what time they'd try to say the call was, and ESPECIALLY if she say MURRAY called her, then you can easily check from Murray's phone records what the time of the call was exactly.
Sorry I thought I had read sometime ago that at another meeting with police he had changed his timeline and was then saying a later time for propofol which fitted better with his went to the bathroom, found him about 12 story
Yeah....only after the testimony from thsi girlfriend of his he is gonna have a hard time explaining the bathroom thingy...
coughing ? how about MJ was starting to wake up and Murray hurried to inject him with a BOLUS injection , it was rapid and he died within one minute ?
That's kind of what I thought about right away too....
Now interesting thing here
If this Saday while on the phone with Murray on June 25th, heard commotion, mumbling and coughing (not Murray's voice) and assuming these noises were coming from Michael. so Murray was next to Michael and watching him and did indeed see him stop breathing?
Well, that's how the Anexate could fit in....That he saw MJ stop breathing...then decided to give Anexate...but it didn't help...so then he started to panic. However, it would not make sense that MJ would all of the sudden stop breathing without Murray having given SOME drugs before that. I think he saw MJ waking up (the sounds the gf heard) and Murray ran to give him a bolus in a hurry...injected too much and too fast....MJ stopped breathing....Murray panicked...gave Anexate whch didn't help....and the rest we know. Only that would explain his "he had a bad reaction" comment. :scratch:
Murray had two phones if there is no record of his other phone going off around that time. Then who was coughing? If it was Murray coughing she would have known
Except if the phone was in Murray's pocket or the floor/table...then it woudl be hard to identify the exact voices. Could have been Murray talking to MJ, trying to "wake" him and call his name.
at least she did not say he flushed the toilet and confirmed he was in the bathroom.
Unless the toilet makes a sound similar to a phone that she said she heard.
very important!!!! she didnt even mention running water(washing hands) either
Unless that was the "coughing" sound she heard. :doh: Well, she did say that he appeared to be off the phone, not talking to her and that it sounded like the phone was in his pocket or something....So I guess Murray could say that's when he was in the bathroom. But I mean, how rude is this guy really. HE is the one who calls HER....then doesn't even listen to her talk but goes to the bathroom. (That's IF he decided to say he was indeed in the bathroom....But all of this doesn't really make him look good...I mean, all these girlfriends and mistresses and calling them while he is supposed to be monitoring a patient....and gets paid 150 000 DOLLARS A MONTH for monitoring that patient too!!! )
@ginvid do i understand it correctly that they tell different storys about timeline?
I guess, but liek I said, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the time she says the call was because how many of us could tell someone when EXACTLY someone called....especially a year and a half later....You can check the phone records to get the exact time. Important is what she actually says happened DURING the call because that you can't check from phone records.
It seems to me, Murray could tell those women anything he wanted about what happened to Michael. They are none the wiser because they weren't there. They were only on the phone. Of course they will most likely try to defend his actions because they are in love with him. Unless they all get mad that he was cheating with each of them behind the others backs. So really, what is all this testimony supposed to accomplish?
Well, that's why it is interesting that his baby mama is next to testify. If she didn't know about this mistress of his....she is gonna have an axe to grind with him...so it should get interesting....
If she was being uncooperative in Court,she must be hiding something .You don't do the uncooperative thing in any trial unless you know something that would make trouble for your friend and sometimes yourself.
:no:
Well, I bet Murray told her that she can be charged as an accomplice (wheather it's true or not....but I bet she's not the sharpest crayon in the box anyways, so how would she know....besides who knows what her background really is....so maybe she wants as little attention from the cops on her as possible...) for the Propofol, so she doesn't want to sy anything. OR....she knows more than she'd like, so she doesn't wanna testify because she knows that she can get him into a lot of trouble. BUT....let's see how "uncooperative" she will be after she hears about this mistress of his and him calling her in 2009....
:clapping: :lol: :lol: Maybe that will change her wllingness to cooperate. Which is why I think it was a smart move to have the mistress testify before the baby mama.
:kickass: (And also...if the defense is trying to tarnish MJ and make him look like a drug addict....how does all these multiple girlfriends and mistresses make Murray look?....)
wonder if nicole knew that 2 months after giving birth to murrays kid he had another GF in houston!!
Exactly! This should get intresting if she didn't. :kickass: :lol:
