Preliminary Hearing 7/1/11 Day Four. Discussion thread

[Ingelief]

but although he would be knockout quick you can inject quicker??

Also quisten for insomnia experts

why was he rehearsing at night because if i go to i gym at night i dont sleep let alone be a person who has sleeping problems would it be much logicer that he rehearsed at the morning than he would maybe sleep better? instade of giving propofol?

 

[Ingelief]

I was wondering, if you only know michael is death of tox propofol... and you are in the jury and you have listen to this week testimonys would you not have questions like
what did the autopsy say
what did the tox say
which amount was giving at least to be lethal
What is the timeline of the defense
what is the timeline of the pros.

because if thats the case *no info for this prelim* than why not start with witness from the coroner, doctors who know propofol (anis.)

We as fans had 1,5 year of puzzeling exploring etc and these week fits as puzzlepieces but of you take that out of the eqasiun is it very confusing the hear this day of testimonys without knowing how to place it?

Is in this prelim a timeline going to made by the defense and the pros? like this is what we believe happend?
and the testimonys support my storyline *for both sides a different view offcours*



do you know what i mean?

And if he had no more then 200 mg thats 20 ml? how rappid can you push that in.. because if thats below 4 sec (a wild guis) than the defense stil can arqui he did it?

because of you are rappid than its not when amount you are uncunsius but how fast t did go in.. right?

 

[Autumn II]

I was wondering, if you only know michael is death of tox propofol... and you are in the jury and you have listen to this week testimonys would you not have questions like
what did the autopsy say
what did the tox say
which amount was giving at least to be lethal
What is the timeline of the defense
what is the timeline of the pros.

because if thats the case *no info for this prelim* than why not start with witness from the coroner, doctors who know propofol (anis.)

We as fans had 1,5 year of puzzeling exploring etc and these week fits as puzzlepieces but of you take that out of the eqasiun is it very confusing the hear this day of testimonys without knowing how to place it?

Is in this prelim a timeline going to made by the defense and the pros? like this is what we believe happend?
and the testimonys support my storyline *for both sides a different view offcours*



do you know what i mean?

And if he had no more then 200 mg thats 20 ml? how rappid can you push that in.. because if thats below 4 sec (a wild guis) than the defense stil can arqui he did it?

because of you are rappid than its not when amount you are uncunsius but how fast t did go in.. right?

I think the prosecution called only some of the witnesses he intends to call at the trial, to hold some information back. At a preliminary hearing, it's only necessary to show that there is enough evidence to have a trial. I'm sure the prosecution showed MORE than enough to convince the judge.

 

[Ingelief]

ok but if they do it now maybe its become murder 2? or is that also possible at a trial?

 

[prismsagainst5live]

why the hell is there a prelim, michael never got a prelim.

 

[bouee]

I know that... I was just trying to establish whether the fact that he was coughing (assuming it was him) means he couldn't possibly have injected himself therefore, completely blowing Murray's defence out of the window.

Yes, well not prove in the legal sense, but IMO, that and other things at least show that it is a far fetched theory : :

Sade said that she heard a phone go off, coughing and mumbling, a commotion. She did not recognize the voice.
She did not hear well, so we can not know for sure who it was.
Murray either left the phone where he was when the other phone went off, put it in a pocket... we don't know.

It shows one thing : he was not far from the source of the noises.

Now if the coughing and mumbling came from Michael, then it shows he was awake, or waking up at that time. I asked the question here , and other posters answered that he could not have coughed while under propofol. Technically the coughing and mumbling could come from anyone (Murray, MJ, someone else).
Why would Murray cough , or a 3rd person trying to inject MJ ? Wouldn't that 3rd person try NOT to cough at this particular time ?
Pure speculation on my part, I think the coughing came from MJ, he was waking up. So he was alive, if he self injected, it was after that.

Now we have the beads, and perimortal abrasions on the lower part of MJ's back. Perimortem means that it happened at or around the time of death (not before, not after). So MJ moved or was moved at around the moment he died : he was not lying on his beads before. It could also be for a number of reasons, one of them being that someone was with him, and moved him.

Other posters established that MJ died not long after the last injection, a question of minutes.

Now think of how things were in the room, given where the IV was, MJ must have been in a clearly strange position to self inject and fall backwards on the beads : he would have had to lean forward to reach the syringe.

I'd rather have a better scientific way to prove that self injection is impossible, but, IMO, the reasons above show that is really unlikely, not realistic at all.

Someone was definetly with him when it happened. I'm not sure Chernoff and co will go on with the self injection theory (he never really said it, did he ? he hinted at it, saying Murray did not do it). I think he will try to incriminate other staff members.

 

[Autumn II]

ok but if they do it now maybe its become murder 2? or is that also possible at a trial?

No, I don't think it's possible to change the charges once the prelim is over. (unless there is some sort of drastic new evidence -- which is not likely.)

 

[artik]

theres always a chance but i doubt as there isnt really anything to plea down to if he pleads guilty to something then no trial just sentencing

Oh, ok, thanks.

 

[Tipareth]

but although he would be knockout quick you can inject quicker??

Also quisten for insomnia experts

why was he rehearsing at night because if i go to i gym at night i dont sleep let alone be a person who has sleeping problems would it be much logicer that he rehearsed at the morning than he would maybe sleep better? instade of giving propofol?

You are right!

But people with severe chronic insomnia, are often afraid to work in the morning... in this specific form of insomnia one night can get some sleep in the early hours... If you wake up early even that sleep would be cut. From here comes big anxiety of anticipation ( the waking ).

I remember myself getting terrified of doing something duty in the morning.( I've mentioned again about my severe type of insomnia as well )
So Mike might been the same way hating to engage early in activities. The worse insomnia gets, the more terrified you are. So comfy hours to start working for an insomniac with this type of insomnia is around 1-2 pm



But if one got some other duties before and start lets say around 4 pm, then loves to work too much and quickly get into too much work, hours are passing and an insomniac find himself/herself working in the night.
( especially doing creative work of science work ). So it's kinda vicious cycle....

As I've said earlier in other replay the best hours for him would have been around 2 pm - till 8-9 pm at most. With a sleep hour occurring around 12 - 1 am, or even later... Because it's a whole ritual of sleep for an insomniac person, checking up the room temperature, reading something before sleep, drinking something refreshing, calming nerves, gradually cutting connection from intensive cerebral activity, imagination activity etc before actually lying up in bed and then wait for sleep around half hour in best cases...

I am seriously doubting Mike knew all these tricks. Maybe he came from concerts throw himself in bed and wait for the sleep. That is very wrong, because sleep this way would never come to an insomniac...:no:

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Maybe the simpler conclusion is that the state of California does not give a shit about Michael and this is happening expressly because it is Michael Jackson that has been murdered. Perhaps if it were someone else, the charges would have been Murder 2 from the beginning.

Nobody had an issue stacking charges against Michael Jackson, that much is true.

By the look of it you can do a lot to Michael Jackson. DAs with personal vendetta can waste boatloads of tax payer money on fabricated charges and falsifying of evidence. Michael Jackson can be murdered very much per the definition of Second Degree Murder in California- yet his house, the crime scene, was an open invite for moving trucks.

AMAZING!

If it was anybody else but Michael Jackson, that wouldn't have happened.

This way the continued bias of "the freak did himself in" was blossoming all the way with a stench smelled across the world.

That bias just refuses to die, no matter how threatened by how many facts.

That bias is the unspoken and even explicitly denied 50000 gargantuan ton elephant in the room and the monkey on someone's back- and the physician admitting an extreme deviation of the standard of care STILL has a license to practice medicine.

It's Michael Jackson and to a degree he has been singled out when it comes to the application of the law under which we should have been all the same. In life AND in death.

To deny that is to close your eyes before this overwhelming fact.

 

[Autumn II]

Nobody had an issue stacking charges against Michael Jackson, that much is true.

By the look of it you can do a lot to Michael Jackson. DAs with personal vendetta can waste boatloads of tax payer money on fabricated charges and falsifying of evidence. Michael Jackson can be murdered very much per the definition of Second Degree Murder in California- yet his house, the crime scene, was an open invite for moving trucks.

AMAZING!

If it was anybody else but Michael Jackson, that wouldn't have happened.

This way the continued bias of "the freak did himself in" was blossoming all the way with a stench smelled across the world.

That bias just refuses to die, no matter how threatened by how many facts.

That bias is the unspoken and even explicitly denied 50000 gargantuan ton elephant in the room and the monkey on someone's back- and the physician admitting an extreme deviation of the standard of care STILL has a license to practice medicine.

It's Michael Jackson and to a degree he has been singled out when it comes to the application of the law under which we should have been all the same. In life AND in death.

To deny that is to close your eyes before this overwhelming fact.

Add to that, that Murray was NEVER put in handcuffs, nor hounded by the media. He has been FREE for all of this time, and has been photographed frolicking on a beach. His personality has not been dissected in the press, nor outrageous stories invented about him. During the trial, Michael was picked apart by media nearly 24/7, and about Murray, there is rarely even a peep. That, alone, is outrageous.

The petition to increase and stack the charges, has now passed the four-thousand mark. . . . .

 

[Sophielo]

We all have to prepare for a damning character assesment of Michael from the defense, they're desperate and will always blame the victim when desperate so everyone put your shields up now. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[ExoticPrincess]

We all have to prepare for a damning character assesment of Michael from the defense, they're desperate and will always blame the victim when desperate so everyone put your shields up now. It's not going to be pretty.

And thats the truth right there!

 

[Lucilla]

We all have to prepare for a damning character assesment of Michael from the defense, they're desperate and will always blame the victim when desperate so everyone put your shields up now. It's not going to be pretty.

True. We have to prepare for the media covering also. Now the defense is going to get "proper" cover by them, smh :no:

 

[Autumn II]

We all have to prepare for a damning character assesment of Michael from the defense, they're desperate and will always blame the victim when desperate so everyone put your shields up now. It's not going to be pretty.

Agree. It's not going to be pretty. What concerns me now, though, is that with the damning evidence against Murray thus far, a good attorney would probably have him plea-bargain at this point. Which could result in slighter penalties. That's ultimately up to the judge, though.

There were no narcotics found in Michael's system, or in his house. So that line is not too likely to be effective. The idea that he somehow injected HIMSELF is not supported by evidence. Those are the only two tactics I can think of Murray's attorneys even TRYING?

But yeah, buckle up. Not going to be pretty. . .

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

Hey guys this is EXTREMELY important..

On the Trials & Tribulations/Sprocket site they have written this..

Also collected several pill bottles, tubes of lotion. Hydrocodone [ed. note: Vicodin]. Tube of Lidocane lotion that was it on the nightstand [ed. note: Lidocaine lotion may have been used to reduce pain when starting IV].

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-4-part-ii.html

Vicodin is a pretty notorious prescription drug of abuse in Hollywood...and I'm sure other places in the USA. It is Schedule III Controlled Substance. There was even talk about it being banned in the USA because of the liklihood of addiction and overdose. One of it's components 'hydrocodone', which Trials & Tribulations/Sprocket mention as being found in Michael's house is actually a Schedule II Controlled Substance in the USA and a Class A drug in the UK & not available for medical use - see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocodone - There was already talk in the media that Michael took Vicodin, and Sky News website have linked Michael to Hydrocodone.

HOWEVER, I have checked in the coroner report and there is NO MENTION of this drug being found in the house under the name 'vicodin' or 'hydrocodone'.

There IS mention of HYDROQUINONE liquid 8% lotion in a tube (skin lightening treatment). It fits with testimony in that the lady said 'tubes of lotion' and then said this word and then tube of lidocane lotion.

I think whoever is writing this blog misheard and wrote HYDROCODONE instead of HYDROQUINONE.. this site is being read by lots of people and posted in lots of places including http://www.justice4michaeljackson.com/day04.php so now we have the rumour that MJ was taking Hydrocodon/Vicodin pills & the whole addiction to painkiller thing goes on..

I really hope nobody else misheard. I and really hope even more that the lady testifying did not make the mistake herself.

I gave you information about Hydrocodone and Vicodin to show why we don't want this drug assosiated with Michael, as it is simply not true.

I posted this comment on the blog (it has to be approved by her before it shows up. Hopefully she will correct the error).

Hi I see you put ''Also collected several pill bottles, tubes of lotion. Hydrocodone [ed. note: Vicodin]'' - I believe this is an error.

I checked the coroner report (which I will post below) and there is NO mention of Hydrocodone, however there is mention of HYDROQUINONE - liquid 8% LOTION IN A TUBE.

PLEASE correct this, it's a pretty significant error.

Coroner report -

http://www.mjfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/content/michael_jackson_autopsy_report_pdf.pdf

EDIT:

I've emailed every email address on the contact page of this site - http://www.justice4michaeljackson.com/home.php

If anyone knows who runs it and can tell them directly, it would be great.

 

[GinnyJackson]

i hate ALL of this! I love Michael and i love him with all my heart. The treatment of his vitiligo meant he had to have them creams. Its not like he was doing it on purpose.... I hate all of this.

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

i hate ALL of this! I love Michael and i love him with all my heart. The treatment of his vitiligo meant he had to have them creams. Its not like he was doing it on purpose.... I hate all of this.

That's not the problem

 

[artik]

Agree. It's not going to be pretty. What concerns me now, though, is that with the damning evidence against Murray thus far, a good attorney would probably have him plea-bargain at this point. Which could result in slighter penalties. That's ultimately up to the judge, though.

There were no narcotics found in Michael's system, or in his house. So that line is not too likely to be effective. The idea that he somehow injected HIMSELF is not supported by evidence. Those are the only two tactics I can think of Murray's attorneys even TRYING?

But yeah, buckle up. Not going to be pretty. . .

That's what I'm worried about too.

 

[rita.gibson]

why the hell is there a prelim, michael never got a prelim.

No you're right, Michael got an illegal Grand Jury.

Im keeping an open mind about coughing and voices simply because if as suggested Murray put the phone in his pocket then it could have knocked or rubbed against something else in his pocket that could have resulted in a cough like sound, also the voice, suppose Murray spotted Michael with eyes and mouth open his first reaction would probably have been....
Shite f##k Ive had it now. Even if the phone was thrown on bed or table and bumped something any sound to the person on line could be interpreted as cough.

 

[gerryevans]

Nobody had an issue stacking charges against Michael Jackson, that much is true.

By the look of it you can do a lot to Michael Jackson. DAs with personal vendetta can waste boatloads of tax payer money on fabricated charges and falsifying of evidence. Michael Jackson can be murdered very much per the definition of Second Degree Murder in California- yet his house, the crime scene, was an open invite for moving trucks.

AMAZING!

If it was anybody else but Michael Jackson, that wouldn't have happened.

This way the continued bias of "the freak did himself in" was blossoming all the way with a stench smelled across the world.

That bias just refuses to die, no matter how threatened by how many facts.

That bias is the unspoken and even explicitly denied 50000 gargantuan ton elephant in the room and the monkey on someone's back- and the physician admitting an extreme deviation of the standard of care STILL has a license to practice medicine.

It's Michael Jackson and to a degree he has been singled out when it comes to the application of the law under which we should have been all the same. In life AND in death.

To deny that is to close your eyes before this overwhelming fact.

BIG APPLAUSE!!!!!!! :clapping:

Add to that, that Murray was NEVER put in handcuffs, nor hounded by the media. He has been FREE for all of this time, and has been photographed frolicking on a beach. His personality has not been dissected in the press, nor outrageous stories invented about him. During the trial, Michael was picked apart by media nearly 24/7, and about Murray, there is rarely even a peep. That, alone, is outrageous.

Totally outrageous! And yet I have come to believe the limited media interest and coverage of this prelim is a good thing for those very reasons. It spares MJ from being crucified again. And it spares me from hearing the crucification every time I turn on a radio or television.

Everything coming out presently is so damning against Murray, it doesn't give the media a lot to twist against MJ. They're twisting, but nothing like I suspect will happen when the actual trial begins.

It's hard even reading how unethical and uncaring Murray actually was. If the media would cover the story accurately revealing him, yeah, hearing the unsavory details would hurt, but it would give me satisfaction that he was being shown for the scum that he is. But since I know that's not going to be the case, that MJ will just continue to be unmericifully villified, I hope the coverage never steps up to the extent that it should.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

No you're right, Michael got an illegal Grand Jury.
...

And, the proceedings from this Grand Jury were LEAKED on purpose to continue the character assassination of Michael Jackson. People forget very, very fast was was done to him. Not a friend of 'behind closed doors' proceedings.

It just is another droplet in this vast lake that is called "the unbelievable abuse of Michael Jackson". So unbelievably cruel that most people indeed refuse to believe it.

Add to that, that Murray was NEVER put in handcuffs, nor hounded by the media. He has been FREE for all of this time, and has been photographed frolicking on a beach. His personality has not been dissected in the press, nor outrageous stories invented about him. During the trial, Michael was picked apart by media nearly 24/7, and about Murray, there is rarely even a peep. That, alone, is outrageous.

The petition to increase and stack the charges, has now passed the four-thousand mark. . . . .

I do wish that Michael would have been alone the way Murray is basically being left alone. But no, cameras were ever so present when Michael was shown to the world in handcuffs behind his back for crimes he never committed.

...
Totally outrageous! And yet I have come to believe the limited media interest and coverage of this prelim is a good thing for those very reasons. It spares MJ from being crucified again. And it spares me from hearing the crucification every time I turn on a radio or television.

Everything coming out presently is so damning against Murray, it doesn't give the media a lot to twist against MJ. They're twisting, but nothing like I suspect will happen when the actual trial begins.

It's hard even reading how unethical and uncaring Murray actually was. If the media would cover the story accurately revealing him, yeah, hearing the unsavory details would hurt, but it would give me satisfaction that he was being shown for the scum that he is. But since I know that's not going to be the case, that MJ will just continue to be unmericifully villified, I hope the coverage never steps up to the extent that it should.

Well, I do think that the media is rather quiet because it's pretty hard to turn the details of Murray's reckless actions into a salacious headline designed to demonize and ridicule MJ. When it does go to trial, they will go there though.
There's a preconceived notion on 'who MJ is' out there- and that notion let's the almighty dollar roll.

I'm with you though, I am glad to be spared the ongoing crucifixion of Michael Jackson for the mind that only reveals the extent of how deeply disturbed the minds of those are that are willing to assassinate this man once more.

 

[xthunderx2]

Hey guys this is EXTREMELY important..

On the Trials & Tribulations/Sprocket site they have written this..

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/2011/01/dr-conrad-murray-prelim-day-4-part-ii.html

Vicodin is a pretty notorious prescription drug of abuse in Hollywood...and I'm sure other places in the USA. It is Schedule III Controlled Substance. There was even talk about it being banned in the USA because of the liklihood of addiction and overdose. One of it's components 'hydrocodone', which Trials & Tribulations/Sprocket mention as being found in Michael's house is actually a Schedule II Controlled Substance in the USA and a Class A drug in the UK & not available for medical use - see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrocodone - There was already talk in the media that Michael took Vicodin, and Sky News website have linked Michael to Hydrocodone.

HOWEVER, I have checked in the coroner report and there is NO MENTION of this drug being found in the house under the name 'vicodin' or 'hydrocodone'.

There IS mention of HYDROQUINONE liquid 8% lotion in a tube (skin lightening treatment). It fits with testimony in that the lady said 'tubes of lotion' and then said this word and then tube of lidocane lotion.

I think whoever is writing this blog misheard and wrote HYDROCODONE instead of HYDROQUINONE.. this site is being read by lots of people and posted in lots of places including http://www.justice4michaeljackson.com/day04.php so now we have the rumour that MJ was taking Hydrocodon/Vicodin pills & the whole addiction to painkiller thing goes on..

I really hope nobody else misheard. I and really hope even more that the lady testifying did not make the mistake herself.

I gave you information about Hydrocodone and Vicodin to show why we don't want this drug assosiated with Michael, as it is simply not true.

I posted this comment on the blog (it has to be approved by her before it shows up. Hopefully she will correct the error).



EDIT:

I've emailed every email address on the contact page of this site - http://www.justice4michaeljackson.com/home.php

If anyone knows who runs it and can tell them directly, it would be great.

yes we have Never heard of that being found in the house I think the person who wrote that blog probably made a mistake...I also think that person should be contacted and it should be changed to the right thing...that kind of stuff could be hurtful for Michael if it falls into the wrong hands.

 

[ivy]

No you're right, Michael got an illegal Grand Jury.

just a little correction - there's nothing "illegal" with a grand jury.

before a trial prosecutors can go either with a grand jury or a preliminary hearing and each one has it's advantages and disadvantages. outcome of them wouldn't be that different either , grand juries is seemed to be prosecutor friendly and even indict a "ham sandwich" and again a prelim hearing will almost always end with a trial.

 

[GinnyJackson]

i think i might go crazy....

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

just a little correction - there's nothing "illegal" with a grand jury.

before a trial prosecutors can go either with a grand jury or a preliminary hearing and each one has it's advantages and disadvantages. outcome of them wouldn't that different either , grand juries is seemed to be prosecutor friendly and even indict a "ham sandwich" and again a prelim hearing will almost always end with a trial.

Can I call MJ a 'ham'? I think I mean that differently though. And lovingly at that.

 

[Milka]

but although he would be knockout quick you can inject quicker??

Also quisten for insomnia experts

why was he rehearsing at night because if i go to i gym at night i dont sleep let alone be a person who has sleeping problems would it be much logicer that he rehearsed at the morning than he would maybe sleep better? instade of giving propofol?

No, not really. Not if you are a night person (I think a lot of people suffering from insomnia are, one reason for their insomnia might even be the fact that society wants to force them into a "normal" sleeping pattern). Just from what I know, he was and a lot of creative people are. They just don't really function during the day, the best time for them to do whatever is to do it later in the day, afternoon, maybe even evening. And let them sleep at times when it's more likely for them to get some sleep. No one would try to turn around someone's sleeping pattern if the person goes to bed at 10 pm and gets up at 6 am in the morning and can only function that way. Because that's considered normal. Try to force them to sleep during the day and get up at noon or in the afternoon and you will turn them into someone who won't get much sleep anymore and won't be able to function anymore.

I always was a night person, you always hear from people "oh, just go to bed, get some sleep", and they don't get that it just doesn't work that way. You won't be able to sleep at the "wrong time", even if you are tired. Just like a morning person won't be able to sleep at noon. I read something a couple of years ago, might try to find a link, that they found out that it's actually genetic, your genes make you a morning person or night person. That's why it doesn't make much sense to force people into different sleeping patterns.

 

[rita.gibson]

just a little correction - there's nothing "illegal" with a grand jury.

before a trial prosecutors can go either with a grand jury or a preliminary hearing and each one has it's advantages and disadvantages. outcome of them wouldn't be that different either , grand juries is seemed to be prosecutor friendly and even indict a "ham sandwich" and again a prelim hearing will almost always end with a trial.

Sorry Ivy but I have to disagree. The Grand Jury in 05 was illegal, neither Mr Mezereau or Michael even knew it was happening let alone attended it.
Evidence was tampered with hence fingerprints on magazine that was dated about 4 months after arvizo's left, also Sneddon threatening a juror who pointed out the tampering of evidence. Trust me Ivy it was an Illegal Grand Jury process.

 

[PCR]

Ones reads all these facts, all the comments... in the current case... and then ones thinks about the past cases... how Michael Jackson was treated by Police, by his own country fellows... by the world media!! And by so many ordinary people over the years... and one can help but ask... why??? when did it all this started?? How is it possible that it was never possible to stop it?

And the nightmare just goes on and on... it really unbelievable :no:

 

[StacyJ]

I am hoping that the judge will refuse Murray's attorneys to assassinate MJ's character..What can Murray say about MJ that won't incriminate himself? If he says MJ begged me for it, he still has to acknowledge that he willingly gave a man anesthesia as a sleep aid knowing it was wrong. He is guilty anyway you look at it. If he says MJ was a drug addict but I didn't know, then he's basically admitting administering and prescribing to an addict. Besides there is no evidence that MJ is a drug addict. If he was, then Murray made him one because he's the one that prescribed MJ addictive drugs such as valium and he's the one that had propofol shipped to his girlfriend's house.

Murray was the doctor and his responsibility was to take care of his sick patient. According to Murray Michael was healthy and fine and wasn't sick. He just couldn't sleep and was dehydrated so why was he treating a patient with propofol for dehydration?

The fool is guilty and whatever Chernoff or Flanagan says doesn't make Murray innocent in anyway. If he cared he would've gotten Mike proper help for his insomnia like referring him to a sleep specialist but he didn't do that at all, he just kept drugging him and talking on the phone.