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Preliminary Hearing 10/1/11. Day Five. Discussion Thread

This is crazy...I don't understand how he was able to order those quantities of drugs and nobody even bat an eyelid. Or not even check that the address it was being sent to was in fact a surgery. It seems like if you have a license in the US you can run amok at the pharmacy. Just go crazy.

This is absolutely insane.
 
I'm also curious about how these orders were being paid.
 
ivy said:
I'm also curious about how these orders were being paid.
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Good point...very good point in fact. Murray's 'broke' right. That could be a very important bit of information.
 
Sophielo said:
100 x 90mls of propofol in three months ordered by Murray, how the hell did the pharmacy not think that was a bit odd. And how the hell does he still have his medical licence after all this!
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I simply do not understand. And why no one even thought is was suspicious if cardiologist ordered vitiligo cream, anesthetics and half of the pharmacy of other drugs.
 
StaceyMJ said:
This is crazy...I don't understand how he was able to order those quantities of drugs and nobody even bat an eyelid. Or not even check that the address it was being sent to was in fact a surgery. It seems like if you have a license in the US you can run amok at the pharmacy. Just go crazy.

This is absolutely insane.
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I agree, it it's mind boggling to see that no one bothered to even double check the address. I mean WTF? No wonder why many doctors are legal drug dealers.
Also why did murray ask the pharmacist so many questions, he's got a medical degree, why did he ask a pharmacist for advice?
I find this very odd.
 
If unused where the hell is all that propofol now?
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flushed down the toilet when MJ was sleeping . The game he was playing and in order not to raise any suspicious he had to bring with him the 1000mg vials he needed to 'mainatin sedation' so MJ would have no doubt whatever he was given something else . again that's why Murray was mad when ortega sent mj home. "he is perfectly healthy mentaly and physically" propofol does not do that but LORAZEPAM DOES
 
Sophielo said:
100 x 90mls of propofol in three months ordered by Murray, how the hell did the pharmacy not think that was a bit odd. And how the hell does he still have his medical licence after all this!
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I have absolutely no idea! That's an incredibly huge amount of propofol outside of use in a clinic! But, by then, hadn't Murray terminated his medical practice, and Michael was his ONLY patient? The effects of giving so many days of anesthesia must have been unbelievably debilitating for Michael! And the neurological symptoms in the inquiry to nurse Lee could surely be a result of that.

The evidence is looking very bad for Murray, the longer this prelim goes on. I sincerely hope he doesn't take a plea. A trial would give us some closure about what really went on, and more peace to Michael's children, hopefully.
 
StaceyMJ said:
This is crazy...I don't understand how he was able to order those quantities of drugs and nobody even bat an eyelid. Or not even check that the address it was being sent to was in fact a surgery. It seems like if you have a license in the US you can run amok at the pharmacy. Just go crazy.

This is absolutely insane.
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You're right :( Since when did pharmacies become sweet shops for doctors?
 
twinklEE said:
I agree, it it's mind boggling to see that no one bothered to even double check the address. I mean WTF? No wonder why many doctors are legal drug dealers.
Also why did murray ask the pharmacist so many questions, he's got a medical degree, why did he ask a pharmacist for advice?
I find this very odd.
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I'm not surprised at all.

I'm just waiting for it to come out that Murray is in fact not a doctor at all. I mean wtf...did he just forget everything he learnt in order to get that license or what. He's completely useless.
 
Sophielo said:
And that evidence last week was......I think personally this is all being done to try and get Murray to accept a plea deal. Make him realise this evidence is overwhelmingly against him and there is no way out. Sadly that way he'd probably just get a suspended sentence.
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I heard that on CNN too, like Summer mentioned. :doh: The ONLY good things I could imagine coming out of a plea would be Murray officially admitting guilt and also the avoidance of Michael's name being dragged through the mud with further "drug addict" and "self-injection" crap that the media would repeat ad nauseum until the world believes it. But we know Murray needs to go down for 2nd degree murder, not a plea on IM, darnit. :no:
 
StaceyMJ said:
Good point...very good point in fact. Murray's 'broke' right. That could be a very important bit of information.
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AEG in their response to KJ's lawsuit said that they didn't even give a dime to Murray. so who was paying for this? Murray - Michael?
 
ivy said:
AEG in their response to KJ's lawsuit said that they didn't even give a dime to Murray. so who was paying for this? Murray - Michael?
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Hm, someone's credit card must have been involved. On the other hand it is not difficult for someone with a card that might have been opened as a business account to be racking up a high bill in only a few months. Often, Doctor's Offices pay their account of supplies once a month, not every single time they order 2 things.

If you open a credit card as a business and make your orders through that, I could see how you could get away with it. That was March through June? Possible.

On the other hand, somebody who is capable of acts like these, is probably versed in a number of 'creative' ventures in life.
 
StaceyMJ said:
I'm just waiting for it to come out that Murray is in fact not a doctor at all.
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You are not the only one ... I'm sure they would have found that out by now, but still, all those details are just too weird.
 
ivy said:
AEG in their response to KJ's lawsuit said that they didn't even give a dime to Murray. so who was paying for this? Murray - Michael?
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That's a VERY good question. Is propofol expensive? I know some drugs are very costly, and some are not. I highly doubt Murray was paying for this himself. He's said he was broke? His house was in foreclosure, and he was far behind on child-support payments. So the question would be, who, if anyone, had Michael's power-of-attorney then? (He typically did that, in the years since the trial.) I don't believe AEG had paid Murray anything yet, had they? The contract wasn't signed yet. . . . . So, WHO?

Strange. . .
 
twinklEE said:
I agree, it it's mind boggling to see that no one bothered to even double check the address. I mean WTF? No wonder why many doctors are legal drug dealers.
Also why did murray ask the pharmacist so many questions, he's got a medical degree, why did he ask a pharmacist for advice?
I find this very odd.
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Indeed!! :angry:
 
Pace said:
Hm, someone's credit card must have been involved. On the other hand it is not difficult for someone with a card that might have been opened as a business account to be racking up a high bill in only a few months.

If you open a credit card as a business and make your orders through that, I could see how you could get away with it. That was March through June? Possible.

On the other hand, somebody who is capable of acts like these, is probably versed in a number of 'creative' ventures in life.
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Yeah I guess...I wouldn't really have any clue how much it would come to.
 
StaceyMJ said:
This is crazy...I don't understand how he was able to order those quantities of drugs and nobody even bat an eyelid. Or not even check that the address it was being sent to was in fact a surgery. It seems like if you have a license in the US you can run amok at the pharmacy. Just go crazy.

This is absolutely insane.
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good point so insane i never thing thats allowed here.. in your country???
 

http://www.medscape.com/druginfo/pr...drugname=Propofol+IV&monotype=pricebrandimage

Propofol IV

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so maybe Murray wasn't flushing it down the toilet but I don't know...?
I can't imagine, he couldn't think to give Michael 15 litters of propofol, could he?
 
I don't want a plea, I'm still hoping for the judge to increase the charges at the end of the prelim, although that's unlikely
I'm not surprised at all.

I'm just waiting for it to come out that Murray is in fact not a doctor at all. I mean wtf...did he just forget everything he learnt in order to get that license or what. He's completely useless. __________________
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I really wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a real doctor at this stage, so much dirt has been coming out it's just unbelievable.

I wanna know who was paying the bill too, if AEG is right and they'd didn't provide Murray any money was paying for all the meds? Was it Michael? Broke ass quack hardly had money to groom his stripper ho's
 
Autumn II said:
That's a VERY good question. Is propofol expensive? I know some drugs are very costly, and some are not. I highly doubt Murray was paying for this himself. He's said he was broke? His house was in foreclosure, and he was far behind on child-support payments. So the question would be, who, if anyone, had Michael's power-of-attorney then? (He typically did that, in the years since the trial.) I don't believe AEG had paid Murray anything yet, had they? The contract wasn't signed yet. . . . . So, WHO?

Strange. . .
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yes, strange, because even when it was cheap, it was such a huge ammount of medicines in such a short time, that it got to be a lot a money!
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Why would Murray need to buy those quantities to flush it down the toilet? All he would need is a full bottle or however many he would need to make it look convincing, and an empty one (or the same amount again).
 
oh and you can ship it to a normal adress where people live??

it can easily be stolen wrongfull used etc.. would that be on the pharmacy?

its so strange

someone pls comment on this
 
Pace said:
Hm, someone's credit card must have been involved. On the other hand it is not difficult for someone with a card that might have been opened as a business account to be racking up a high bill in only a few months.

If you open a credit card as a business and make your orders through that, I could see how you could get away with it. That was March through June? Possible.

On the other hand, somebody who is capable of acts like these, is probably versed in a number of 'creative' ventures in life.
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This kind of things could be paid with a personal card when they are supposed being shipped for a clinic ? weird :scratch:
 
Ingelief said:
oh and you can ship it to a normal adress where people live??

it can easily be stolen wrongfull used etc.. would that be on the pharmacy?

its so strange

someone pls comment on this
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the delivery address was supposed to be a clinic
 
Ingelief said:
good point so insane i never thing thats allowed here.. in your country???
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No it would never be allowed here, I'm almost certain of it. It's crazy. You would think it had to be accounted for somewhere, surely?
 
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