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Lopez said Murray asked him to ship some of the propofol to an address in Santa Monica, Calif. The address belongs to the doctor's girlfriend, although Lopez testified that Murray told him it was one of his clinics.
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there goes another lie

urray bought 130 vials of propofol in 100 milliliter doses and another 125 vials in the smaller dose of 20 milliliters, Lopez said while testifying at a preliminary hearing to determine if there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial after pleading not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

A coroner's investigator previously testified that 12 vials of propofol were found in the bedroom and closet of the singer's rented mansion after his death.

Lopez said Murray asked him to ship some of the propofol to an address in Santa Monica, Calif. The address belongs to the doctor's girlfriend, although Lopez testified that Murray told him it was one of his clinics.

Murray also bought other sedatives from Lopez, according to the testimony.

Murray has told police he was concerned Jackson was addicted to propofol, and that he was trying to wean the singer from it.
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LOL cause the above certianly looks like it was the case.
 
Just posted.
From Trials and Tribulations draft updates.

STEPHEN J. MARX

- Marx is the Computer forensic examiner in the DEA who examined the iPhone.

- Screenshots are the save of what has been on the screen in the memory of the iPhone.

- Email june 25th 2009, with the greeting of Hi Conrad, with signature, Bob Taylor, of Bob Taylor’s Insurance of London. Came from a sender based in London England. Based on that header as sent from UK, 5:54 am in Los Angeles. The email was about specific inquires regarding the health of MJ.

- Murray responds to it at LA Time 11:27AM. The response content is about autorization of release of medical records, to get insurance.

- There were also forwarded emails attached from the insurance broker , they were sent back and forth regarding company officials representatives MJ and AEG
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CNN In Session

The first witness of the day is Stephen Marx--a former computer forensics examiner in the DEA lab in Virginia. Marx examined Dr. Murray's iPhone.

Marx says Murray received an e-mail on June 25, 2009 at 5:54 am (L.A. time) from what appears to be an insurance broker in London.

Marx testifies the e-mail's sender was inquiring about Jackson's health.

The e-mail is confirming Murray was the only doctor Jackson consulted during a 3-year period & asks about press reports re: Jackson&#8217;s health

Murray responds: 'as far as the statements of his health published by the press...they&#8217;re all felicitous, to the best of my knowledge.'
 
ivy;3185312 said:
From Trials and Tribulations draft updates.

Tim Lopez

- Owner of Applied Pharmacy Services and a pharmacist for 15 years.

- Murray calls him in March, 2009 about benoquin 20% (cream for vitiligo) and it’s availability. Pharmacy finds a supplier. Murray ordered 40 of the 30 gram, 20%. Murray tells the pharmacy that his patient was african american and that he would instruct in the dispersal of it’s use.

- Later Murray asks about propofol and saline bags. Pharmacy provides the information Murray requests and he placed an order. Initial order 1 carton of 100ml bottles. Ten inside the carton and 2 specific formultions of propofol. plus nine saline bags. And renewed the benoquin order.

- Later he asks them if they would ship his orders to Santa Monica (Nicole Alvarez's address).

- Later Murray asks about bedoquin cream if there was a formula that was less greasy.

- Murray also asks for energy formulations that would give increased wakefulness. He wants it to be non-narcotic and as natural as possible. He wants something over the counter (not prescription).

- Murray says his patient were complaining of injection pain and asked if the pharmacy could make a topical analgesic. He indicated he wanted a lidocaine only.

- Pharmacy makes the energy formulation by putting 3 products available over the counter putting them in 1 capsule. They added caffeine, asprin and ephedrine. and made 30 capsules with that formulation

- They also list all the orders they received from Murray.
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Is it routine for 50 year old males to be starting an aspirin regimen without any history of heart conditions?
Or is that some some sort of personal focus coming from a cardiologist?
 
This is insane.. did the pharmacist question why all of this propofol was going to someone's apartment?
 
The Lost Child said:
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Marxs confirms email was created on sent from the iPhone.
46 seconds ago

And dismisses press news about MJ's health.
1 minute ago

Murray says in the email he was denied the authorization to release Medical records (for insurance)
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Or maybe he knew there is nothing to authorize because MJ was dead, so he knew there was no insuranc needed. Sorry, I can't help but to be sarcastic. At this point it seems anything is possible. It only seems to be getting worse..on the other hand...thank God...because the worse it gets the harder it gets for Murray to find an explanation in his web of lies that would make sense.
 
A pharmacist testified Monday that the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death bought 255 vials of a powerful anesthetic in the three months before the singer died from a lethal combination of the drug and other sedatives.

Dr. Conrad Murray purchased four shipments of the anesthetic propofol between April 6 and June 10, 2009, said Tim Lopez, owner of Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas, where Murray has a clinic.

Murray bought 130 vials of propofol in 100 milliliter doses and another 125 vials in the smaller dose of 20 milliliters, Lopez said while testifying at a preliminary hearing to determine if there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial after pleading not guilty to involuntary manslaughter.

A coroner's investigator previously testified that 12 vials of propofol were found in the bedroom and closet of the singer's rented mansion after his death.

Lopez said Murray asked him to ship some of the propofol to an address in Santa Monica, Calif. The address belongs to the doctor's girlfriend, although Lopez testified that Murray told him it was one of his clinics.

Murray also bought other sedatives from Lopez, according to the testimony.

Murray has told police he was concerned Jackson was addicted to propofol, and that he was trying to wean the singer from it.

In other testimony Monday, a retired federal investigator said he had retrieved an e-mail from Murray's cell phone containing an exchange between the doctor and a London insurance broker handling a policy for Jackson's planned series of comeback concerts.

The broker asked Murray on the morning of Jackson's death to address press reports that Jackson was in poor health.

"As far as the statements of his health published by the press, let me say they're all malicious to the best of my knowledge," Murray replied.

Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor ruled before the hearing began Monday that the information could be introduced as evidence.

Murray's defense attorney, Ed Chernoff, had described some of the data as brief voicemails. He also said there were 12 screenshots found on the phone.

Pastor said some of the information was protected by attorney-client privilege, but most is not.

Prosecutors have used Murray's phone records to help create a detailed timeline of the doctor's actions on the day Jackson died.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-music/witness-jackson-doc-bought-800064.html
 
ivy;3185328 said:
Murray responds: 'as far as the statements of his health published by the press...they&#8217;re all felicitous, to the best of my knowledge.'
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Does this mean Murray was agreeing with what the press were saying.... that MJ was an addict etc. ? I'm not quite sure I understand the meaning of 'felicitious'!

Edit* The Access Atlant articale says 'malicious' which I'm more inclined to believe!
 
Don't panic guys, if anything this is very damaging to Murray, the prosecution exposed him , he was fooling his patient all the time not out of concern .I said it yesterday , Murray had no intention to give UN ADDICTIVE drug like propofol, he wanted MJ to develope dependecy that was clear when he was prescribing temazepam and lorazapm months before he was OFFICIALLY hired, he was only giving two injections MAXIMUM one to induce sleep and one before mj woke up and maintaing sedation using the ADDICTIVE benzos . ALL THE 1000MG vials were flushed down the toilet, they were only bought o be hung up there so MJ would see them before he went to sleep and after he woke up.

That was why Murray freaked out when AEG started to complain, MJ had his suspicious , he called LEE i\when Murray was availabe . DON'T PANIC this is very damaging to Murray
 
Pace said:
Is it routine for 50 year old males to be starting an aspirin regimen without any history of heart conditions?
Or is that some some sort of personal focus coming from a cardiologist?
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this is true..a doctor even my husband primary told him to take an aspirin a day for his heart.
 
StacyJ said:
This is insane.. did the pharmacist question why all of this propofol was going to someone's apartment?
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We often received medical shipments (depending of course on what is being ordered) to our clinic's location that were addressed to Dr. Soandso, address only. Not mentioning the clinic's name- shipped directly to the address of the physician, not mentioning a clinic.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
this is true..a doctor even my husband primary told him to take an aspirin a day for his heart.
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Okay, I guess that is considered 'normal'. I've seen these 'one a day' commercials, but I was wondering if that's just the opinion of pharmaceutical companies who would love nothing more than for you to take 'one a day'.

And just about every anesthesiologist will quiz prospective patients about the amounts of Aspirin taken before surgery- for a few reasons. It doesn't sound like Murray planned surgery- but that's rather odd to be giving your patient Aspirin- while you give him general anesthesia.
 
Pace said:
Is it routine for 50 year old males to be starting an aspirin regimen without any history of heart conditions?
Or is that some some sort of personal focus coming from a cardiologist?
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I guess that would be routine. I heard doctors advise the use of baby aspirin daily.

note: Bayer last year had a campaign that they would send these little pill boxes for free that you can put aspirin in and carry on your keychain.
 
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Witness #17 - Stephen Marx

Computer forensic examiner in the DEA. Now retired. Employed 7-8 years.

He conducted an examination of the iphone. Gives alot of expert explanation how the memory of the phone works.

He's asked: In analyzing these screen shots, is there a way to determine the date at which the person looked at that particular screenshot?

Response from Marx : 'Some of them yes, some contain the date of the image'

Pros: There was but only a limited number was to which you wer able to sign a date? Marx: That's correct

He's showed exhibit 46: A screen shot.

Pros: People&#8217;s 46, focusing on June 25th, 2009 at 9:45 am, does that reflect that this person was reviewing this screen shot at that time?

Marx: Yes it does. Marks also says he discovered an email.

The email came from a sender in England. It was received at 5:54 LA time. The email contains specific inquiries about MJ's health.

Conrad Murray responded to this email at 11:17am LA time (June 25th).

Murray says in the email he was denied the authorization to release Medical records (for insurance)

And dismisses press news about MJ's health.

Marxs confirms email was created on sent from the iPhone.

There were also emails forwarded from the insurance company and were sent back and forth regarding company officials rep MJ and AEG.
 
This is insane.. did the pharmacist question why all of this propofol was going to someone's apartment?
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murray lied said the address was of his clinic. read the articles info is in there
 
Pharmacist sent large amounts of anesthetic to Dr. Conrad Murray

The owner of a Las Vegas specialty pharmacy testified Monday that he sent large quantities of propofol to Dr. Conrad Murray in the three months before Michael Jackson died from an overdose of the surgical anesthetic.

Pharmacist Tim Lopez said Murray never mentioned the pop star was his only patient at the time and instead led him to believe the 255 vials of propofol he requested were being used for patients at a Los Angeles clinic.

In reality, the four shipments Murray placed, including a final order 10 days before Jackson stopped breathing, went to the Santa Monica apartment where Murray&#8217;s mistress and infant son lived.

Lopez said that when he volunteered to personally deliver an order during a trip to Los Angeles, Murray told him not to.

&#8220;He said just Fed Ex it the way we normally do,&#8221; Lopez recalled.

Lopez took the stand at a preliminary hearing to determine whether prosecutors have enough evidence to try Murray for involuntary manslaughter. The 57-year-old doctor has pleaded not guilty. He has acknowledged using the drug as a sleep aid for his famous patient, a chronic insomniac.

Defense lawyers have suggested in court that the amount of propofol Murray gave Jackson was not enough to cause the singer's June 25, 2009, death. Under questioning by a prosecutor, the pharmacist said Murray asked several times for advice on what the doctor might take to boost his energy and &#8220;wakefulness.&#8221;
Jackson usually had Murray work an overnight shift at his rented Holmby Hills mansion, according to other witnesses. Lopez said he created a capsule of three over-the-counter products -- caffeine, ephedrine and aspirin -- for the doctor, who later said it had helped his problem.

Judge Michael Pastor also reviewed data gleaned from Murray&#8217;s iPhone. Screen shots of the doctor&#8217;s e-mail inbox show he and others involved with Jackson&#8217;s planned comeback concert series were discussing the singer&#8217;s health in the hours before he died.

In one e-mail displayed in court, a London insurance broker trying to secure a policy in case of cancellation asked Murray to prove details about the singer&#8217;s care and to respond to media allegations that Jackson suffered from lupus, cancer and other ailments.

The doctor e-mailed back that he did not have authorization to share the information, but wrote, &#8220;As far as the statements of his health published by the press, let me say they are all fallacious to the best of my knowledge.&#8221;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...s-of-anesthetic-to-dr-conrad-murray.html#more
 
ivy;3185373 said:
...Under questioning by a prosecutor, the pharmacist said Murray asked several times for advice on what the doctor might take to boost his energy and “wakefulness.”
Jackson usually had Murray work an overnight shift at his rented Holmby Hills mansion, according to other witnesses. Lopez said he created a capsule of three over-the-counter products -- caffeine, ephedrine and aspirin -- for the doctor, who later said it had helped his problem.
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:bugeyed Murray asks the pharmacy casually what he should be taking?? Did I read that correctly? Wow.
 
"As far as the statements of his health published by the press, let me say they're all fallacious to the best of my knowledge," Murray replied.

Um, Is there someone who may know better? Are you not the primary doctor? Why would you suggest the press may be privy to info you are not? Ridiculous.
 
PrincessMichaela said:
"As far as the statements of his health published by the press, let me say they're all malicious to the best of my knowledge," Murray replied.

Um, Is there someone who may know better? Are you not the primary doctor? Why would you suggest the press may be privy to info you are not? Ridiculous.
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Right. Notice that Murray also said that he was the ONLY doctor Michael had been seeing. Guess Klein doesn't exist?
 
Sophielo said:
So yet again more lies from Murray-whens the lieing ever going to stop?
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How do you know that Murray is lying? His lips are moving!

Also, reading through the posts, I STILL can't believe it. Every time I read that he was given an anesthetic to treat his insomnia ... suffering from insomnia myself, when I heard about the Propofol in June 2009 I was appalled and felt offended. And I still do.
 
Pace said:
:bugeyed Murray asks the pharmacy casually what he should be taking?? Did I read that correctly? Wow.
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if you read Trials and Tribulations summary Murray asks something that's non narcotic, natural, not prescription and over the counter. Pharmacy tells him the 3 alternatives and combines them into a pill.
 
the L.A times blog says murray was the one taking the caffine asprine etc. yet others say it was mj
 
im sorry but i have to say this

He is allowed to ask for so many propofol and he gets them? without questions? that is no way allowed in my country
also he wanted michael of propofol? you just orderd alot!!!!! of propofol bottles

And why is he asking for energic?

ephedrine is that not illegal? I thought here it is.. also i mix in 1 pil? wtf
 
So the caffiene, aspirin, and ephedrine found in Michael's home has now been revealed that it could have been Murray's. Wonder if the media will highlight that then.
 
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