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I'm surprised so many fans are ragging on these guys. They didn't say anything negative about him. In fact, I think they spoke with warmth and love for him. The things that they talked about that could be perceived remotely negative they tended to speak very matter-of-fact about and didn't even blame him. (i.e. credit problems)

They seem genuine to me and if they did write a book it'd be 100% complimentary in my opinion. IMO it shows that there were people around him that truly cared but were powerless to do anything to help him.
 
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Apparently there's another video where they talk about how he wanted to order a beer and be left alone



and if you haven't watched it yet here's the other videos posted at youtube

wednesday's interview



extra video about Joe, Katherine, Family



why are they talking now



Janet

 
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Apparently there's another video where they talk about how he wanted to order a beer and be left alone



and if you haven't watched it yet here's the other videos posted at youtube

wednesday's interview



extra video about Joe, Katherine, Family



why are they talking now



Janet

Yeah they were supposed to be on Nightline the other night but I recorded it and they weren't on it?? Maybe I recorded the wrong show? I don't know. I can't stomach that show anyway because Bashir is on it. Ugh! ABC can suck it for hiring him.
 
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At times I like to joke around on here, But real talk their interview touched me to me Michael seen this Bodyguards as his brothers that's the feeling I got from watching them speak especially tear up i'm so happy they felt the way I felt July 7, 2009 where was all them people when he needed them. Glad they finally set the record straight..i'm a bit emotional after i saw them cry
 
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Why do people like to remember/speculate/judge on every negative irrelevant detail and when something apparently relative good happens they are suspicious/don't believe it?
I just.... :scratch:

co-sign and them long paragraphs got my eyes hurting.. as for me I was joking with the guards needing a black eye I try to have a sense of humor some times
 
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Like I said yesterday, Michael Jackson in life deserved his privacy and as far as I am concerned he still deserves that. I don't care how positive some things that are said seem and who's saying it. If you ask yourself the question, would Michael care that I'm exposing his private business to the world? and if the answer is yes, then honoring the mans wishes should'nt be hard to comply with.

Michael did'nt guard his privacy like he did for nothing. It probably was the one thing that he could try to hold on to.

Anyway, as for the poster who asked, Nightline aired nothing further on this interview last night. I think the segment that aired this morning on GMA is the last of it.
 
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i think Kasume wants to say that there is a campaine to get the kids away from the Jacksons ! right?
 
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Kind of late on this again, but was there anything on Nightline yesterday? I recorded it...but all they were talking about was a suicidal music group and some deadly tiger....?
Sorry if this has been asked already.
 
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Does it all seem very vague, how long did the interview go on for? it is all split up into different parts but in all it's very short, she poses a question and they give a very short answer, i just don't know.
 
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Kind of late on this again, but was there anything on Nightline yesterday? I recorded it...but all they were talking about was a suicidal music group and some deadly tiger....?
Sorry if this has been asked already.

they didn't show anything on nightline.

Does it all seem very vague, how long did the interview go on for? it is all split up into different parts but in all it's very short, she poses a question and they give a very short answer, i just don't know.

the interview they aired on TV is the 7-8 minute video. All the other short videos are the web extras.
 
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Michael Jackson’s Bodyguards Body Language Shows Signals of Discomfort Discussing Michael’s Love Life as They ” Set the Record Straight” For Their Own Personal Gain
March 11th, 2010


TRUSTED BODYGUARDS?

I am very troubled by three ex body guards Bill Whitfield, Mike Garcia ,and Javon Beard, whom Michael Jackson entrusted with his most intimate secrets, now revealing very personal information about Michael and his children after his death. Based on all that we know about Michael’s desire for privacy and protection for his children, here is no question that Michael would have been 100 per cent against what these bodyguards are doing .

orThey openly admit they plan to write a book which they plan to call “In Defense of the King.” So they are apparently out there now fishing for a publisher in their attempt to cash in big time on Michael’s death if their book is sold. Based on how they came across body language –wise and what they said“setting the record straight” in speaking out on Michael’s behalf, it seems to me that it is merely a ploy for them to fill their pockets and cash in on Michaels death.

THEY ARE NOT TELLING US ANYTHING WE DON’T ALREADY KNOW FROM MEDIA ACCOUNTS

They are not really telling us anything we don’t already know. We know a lot of the information they have divulged, like how polite and smart Michael’s kids are based on media accounts and by the accounts of those who have interacted with the children.

They admit that they only worked with Michael for 2 years. So there are things which may or may not have taken place prior to those 2 years which they are not privy. Therefore, they may not know everything they are claim to know about Michael.

THEY ARE TELLING US IS THAT THEY ARE UNPROFESSIONAL AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED

Who are these “bodyguards” to set the record straight about Michael? Who made them Michael’s spokespeople. I am sure that Michael would be livid if he knew they were doing this. These men were paid employees who needed to keep their mouths shut about Michael and his family whether he was alive or not.

I have no doubt with Michael’s intelligence and savvy, not to mention his having been burned by others in the past, that he would have made them sign some type of confidentiality agreement. I hope that those in charge of his estate will come across those agreements and stop these three in their tracks.

TROLLING FOR A PUBLISHER

The only reason they came forth now and put their faces in front of the media is in my view to troll for a book deal. They even have a title picked out for the book before it is written. They want to see how much interest there is. That is they spilled the beans now.

But obviously they aren’t that savvy or as clever as they think. They told way too much already. No publisher in their right mind would give them a book deal and expect the book to fly off the shelves. Why? Because they already revealed everything already in Ashley Banfield’s very thorough ABC interview where she left no stone unturned. left no she unturned. So who needs a a book? We know all they have to say. You get your face in front of the media AFTER you have a book deal and have written it in order to PROMOTE it.

So if they did get a book deal, wrote the book or had someone write it for them, and then appeared on TV again to promote it would be OLD news. No one is interested in what they have to say anymore.

WERE THEY TELLING THE TRUTH?

Although I found each of them despicable for getting on front of the media and sharing Michael’s personal life which he guarded so privately, to the point of wearing masks and disguises and having his kids do likewise, I wanted to scrutinize any “tells” which may have given away their true motives . I also wanted to see if there were any” tells” of deception or nervousness or discomfort.

It was interesting to watch all three of them sitting together as they were interviewed. It was also interesting to watch them separately in order to see if one or more showed signals of deception .

For the most part, they were in all synch. Whether it was rehearsed or not, they were all on the same page. For the most part it seemed like they were telling the truth. But I think they told way too much of the truth. They had no business revealing the details about the kids and their behavior, especially the description of Princes behavior when he tried to manipulate cookies out of them. This was not setting the record straight. This was setting their sights straight on to a potential book deal to make money for themselves.

RED FLAG TELLS OF DISCOMFORT ABOUT MICHEAL’S PEDOPHILIA ALLEGATIONS AND REALTIONSHIPS WITH WOMEN



There was one area where they were clearly uncomfortable and it showed in their body language. It was when they were discussing their views on Michael’s alleged pedophilia. Their body language showed that they over compensated by giving way to much information. They were asked if Michael was a pedophile. Then bodyguard Bill Whitfield says that he’s a man and he knows that Michael is interested in women just like he is. You can see his facial expression change as he looks away and his forehead get’s furrowed. He also pulls his head back and there is a shoulder shrug . This indicates signals of discomfort.

Mike Garcia also shows signals of discomfort when the “pedophilia” question comes up. He shakes his leg indicating “I want to get out of here.”

The three gave way too much information as Bill speaks about curtains in the limousine being drawn in the back of a limo, and sucking noises being made. To say this was inappropriate on their behalf is an understatement. The question was about pedophilia. All they needed to say was they didn’t witness any acts of pedophilia or that it was their opinion that Michael wasn’t a pedophile. But their going off on a tangent and talking about Michael’s girlfriends was a red flag. One had nothing to do with another. Their over compensated answers in giving too detailed information made it seem like they both “doth protest too much”.

I am not saying that they think Michael is or isn’t a pedophile. I am saying that they showed signals of discomfort when this topic was brought up by Ashley Banfield.

Other than that, there body languages showed that they were open and they seemed forthright. When they answered, most of the time all three of them appeared to answer in unison. With the exception of the time they discussed Michael’s intimate life, where they showed major signals of discomfort, they sat confidently with their legs apart in an open position with upright straight posture with their heads erect.

MICHAEL VENTED TO THEM PRIVATELY NOT PUBLICALLY

Bill Whitfield said that there were times that Michael vented and “vented loudly” I cringed. Michael may have vented loudly but he did it privately. Michael projected an image of a person who was always kind with a loving soul. He never showed anger in public. He worked hard at getting that image across. So to hear them say Michael “vented loudly” is to take away from the public image that Michael worked so hard to cultivate. If he “vented loudly” he did it only for their ears- not the public’s As Bill said this I automatically cringed.

While these men are not doctors or health or legal professionals who have to abide by the law to keep secrets ( unless they signed a non -disclosure clause before working with Michael) technically they don’t have to keep quiet about Michael. But ethically I believe it is a different matter. I believe that they should keep things about Michael confidential in his death just as they did in his life.

Michael trusted them with his life and his kids and as Bill Whitfield said, they became more than security. Javon Beard interjected that they were more like personal assistants and Mike Garcia said that it was not their job but since there was no entourage it was just them, they hand to handle everything.

IF MICHAEL HATED HIS VEGAS HOME BECAUSE OF PAPPS, WHY DIDN’T THE BODYGUARDS DO ANYTHING TO STOP THE PAPPS AND FANS ?

I think that it was way too much information to reveal that Michael hated his Vegas mansion because of all the papps. If these men were HIS bodyguards as they claim to be, why didn’t they keeps the papps AND FANS away? Why didn’ they do whatever it took to make sure Michael had the best security so that the papps and fans wouldn’t invade his home ? That statement alone turned me off.

THEY ALL BELIEVE MICHAEL AS AN AWSOME DAD

When asked if he was a good dad, they all replied in unison awesome! Their body language showed that all three of them strongly believed that Michael was a great dad. Mike Garcia shared how the children would constantly say I Love you daddy and that they were like the four buddies as Bill Whitfield appropriately shook his head yes and smiled a huge genuine smile.

They also spoke of how protective he was of his kids seeing his bad press as he turned over newspapers so the kids wouldn’t see negative headlines about him. It showed that Michael’s first and foremost concern was for his kids.

They also nooded and spoke in unison as to Michael’s being successful at shielding his kids from the media. Each one’s body language were in synch as they appered to be in agreement that Michael didn’t think what he did was weird. In fact Javon shook his head “no” as confirmation while Bill Whitfield explained this.

REVEALING INAPPROPRIATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE KIDS

They spoke of the kids with pride as there were genuine smiles as they said that the kids were regular kids and how they were very polite and well mannered, something we have all herd before. All three of them shook their heads “yes” in agreement as this information was relayed.

But then when they showed a note Paris wrote to Bill thanking him for getting cat food, I though that was a bit too invasive. Even if it was a polite gesture, I don’t know how Paris would feel about having her personal handwritten note to Bill exposed for the world to see. It was for Bill not for the world to see with her little heart over the “I” as she signed her name Paris. I didn’t think that was necessary to do.

Then Javon also revealed WAY too much information as he shared how Prince would say “ Daddy wants you to get some cookies for us, indicating their mischief in tricking the bodyguards into getting them cookies. I dounnt these kids or Michael would want that information exposed. This is exactly what Michael hated. He didn’t want anything personal about these kids revealed and there is no doubt Michael would deem this story about Prince as being WAY too personal in nature.

Then he added that he asked Michael (the client) if he wanted him to go get some cookies for the kids and in a loud voice, Javon mimicked what Michael would say “ Prince get up here!” “Why are you telling them that?”

While it showed that Michael set limits and boundaries for the kids, it was still way too much information about the kids that we don’t need to know. Unless the kids decide to speak about their experiences with their dad or write a book, no one has any right discussing them.

If these kids were paraded around like some others have been by their parents and publically expoised and exploited as many have mentioned. Then perhaps they would be fair game, but not in this situation. Michael went out of his way to shield his kids from the press at all times. Therefore, I believe these body guards have broken the confidence of their client by sharing intimate personal stories about the kids like this one which may not put Prince in the best light.

FAST FOOD RUNS WITH MICHAEL

They also shared how Michael liked to go through the drive through at fast food places with the kids. I found that unacceptable as they shared what Michael said as he ordered the meal which was” If these people only know who ordered the meal.”

Both Bill and Javon said it in unison so there was no doubt based on other body language signals as well that this was definitely a true incident. But maybe Michel didn’t want the word to know that he fed his kids fast foods or that he even ate fast foods. Maybe he wouldn’t want his private comment shared. Maybe it was his one personal moment to feel like a normal person and order fast food without anyone knowing. Maybe that was his personal little thrill . They had no right to share this personal moment with anyone in my view..

What the bodyguards said was true as they once again spoke in unison that people “never knew that Michael Jackson was the one ordering the food. In fact Javan imitated Michael ‘s high voice as said “ One cheeseburger please” While there is no doubt they were all telling the truth, there is even less doubt that Michael would have wanted this information revealed to the world.

PEDOPHILE RUMORS



Something really strange happened body language wise when Ashley Banfield asked them if they thought Michael was a pedophile? They were clearly uncomfortable with this question as each one of them squirmed and had various body language tells which illustrated their discomfort with this area of questioning.

Why did they show such signals of discomfort? Only they know. Michael may or may not have been a pedophile and Michael was the only one who could attest to those allegations. Just for the record a person can still like women and have girlfriends and still be a pedophile. Look at how many married men with families who are even pillars of their community. Look at all the married pedophiles with their own families who have been caught on NBC’s “To Catch a Predator.”

They very well may or may not have seen any evidence that Michael was a pedophile during the two years they spent with him. I am not saying that Michael is or isn’t a pedophile but these body guards may not know for sure. Their discomfort was very visible in their body language as this was the first time throughout the entire interview that they weren’t as confident verbally, vocally or body language-wise.

As examples of what I am saying, bodyguard Mike Garcia pursed his lip and moved around more, Bill Whitfield looked down, and Javon Beard had a tight ingenuine smile, unlike his previous smiles throughout the interview.

MICHAEL’S NOISES IN BACK OF THE LIMO WITH A WOMAN

How dare them discuss that there was a curtain in the backseat of the limo and that Michael was with a girlfriend back there. Rule number one of any limo driver, let alone any body guard is shut up about your client’s intimate goings on.

As this story was revealed there was an observed shoulder shrug. That is a signal of deception. There was also a nervous smile- another signal of deception as well as discomfort, In their attempt to set the record straight, they gave way too much information that I am sure Michael would have objected to. If he wanted anyone to know he was with a woman at any time, he would have shown her publically. If the curtain was allegedly drawn he obviously didn’t want anyone to know who he was with or what they were doing.

Then Ashley being the great interviewer that she is remarked “it’s like you were chaperoning two teenagers back there making out ”. She was simply probing to see where they would go with it. They shook their heads and agreed as it was a way out for them. Then the unconscionable happened. Bill revealed that he heard loud sucking noises as his eyebrows were raised. This made me suspicious as to whether this incident really happened? Since Michael was as shy and paranoid about anyone knowing his business in a limo I am sure that he would have a limo with a sound proof glass partition. I have never seen a limo with only a mere curtain and I have ridden in many limos in my lifetime.

MICHAEL’S BANAIDS WERE NOT HIS DISGUISE AS A”BURN VICTIM”



When Bill said that Michael’s bandages were worn for him to be disguised as a “burn victim” I knew for sure that they were full of it. Even Bill knew that he was full of it as his body language showed his head jerking back and eyebrows being furrowed and looking away.

Michael wore many bandages around his face because of the numerous office surgeries and Botox and Restalyn treatments he had at Dr. Klein’s office, his dermatologist that often left bruising on various areas of his face. The band aids were to cover up the bruises. If Bill was around Michael as much as he said he was or escorted him to the doctor in the limo, he would have seen the brusing and the redness and swelling.

They were not worn as a disguise for him to appear as a burn patient. If that was the case Michael would have wrapped his whole head in gauze or worn a silicone burn mask.

Then when Ashley proved and asked why they didn’t ask why Michael was “disguised like that,” Javon said “How can you tell him that?” He’s coming down with the kids, how can I say, What the hell have you got on sir?”

Javon’s statement as well has his referring to Michael as “sir” shows that he respected the boundaries with Michael as his “client” which he referred to earlier. This means he respected his “client” to not interfere, judge or question what he was doing. In my view he needed to show that same respect now and not reveal anything about his “client” no that he is no longer with us.

In my view one has to treat someone who has died with the same respect they treated them when they were alive. If they kept their confidences when the person was alive they need to do the same thing now that the person is dead and no longer here to defend themselves or to sue for defamation.

TALKING ABOUT MICHAEL’S DRUG PROBLEM

When Bill revealed that it appeareard that Michael was on something indicating that Michael was on drugs I thought this was out of line. If this was the case and he was his body guard, why didn’t he do something to help his “client?” After all he was supposed to protect his client at all costs. If Michael was drugged up as Bill said, how could Michael function properly as the “good father? ”If his client was so out of it, why didn’t he try to get his “client” some help? Why didn’t he encourage his client to get help?

The answer is obvious. He needed the job and the money didn’t want to make waves so he turned a blind eye. The operative word here is “money.” To me this is what this is all about. It sickens me that anyone who was entrusted to caring about a person and protecting them in life, would now peddle that same person’s dead flesh in hopes of scoring a book deal and making money off of them. http://www.drlillianglass.com

Interesting!
 
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I think it's safe to say, after these body guards and many other people have described how isolated MJ was, that This Is It was really going to be a big step for him. This would finally be the time that he would step out of his corner and face the world again after 10 years of absence from the stage. I'm betting he was really genuinely excited for the shows considering how stressed out and trapped he seemed before =(.
 
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I don't know what to make of the interview or the post above analyzing the body guards body language.

I do think after listening to more of the interview that they are revealing a bit too much. On the other hand, they aren't spewing the usual venom about Michael and they seem to have a real fondness for him which i have seldom seen in this sort of situation.

The fact is that most of his close friends will never talk to the press because you just don't do that. So, what's left áre the haters and slime sucking tabloid writers and people like these guys who want to make some money, true, but they are at least sympathetic. And if the day has arrived when someone can make a buck saying nice things about Michael, then Hallelujah.

The body language analysis seems a bit wierd as the writer seems appalled that the guys revealed Michael's secrets, but isn't an in depth analysis of the interview only giving it more publicity?
I don't know about the writer, but I would appear damn umcomfortable if an interviewer asked me if one of my friends was a p***ile. I hope no one would be all chill and comfortable talking about an accusation like that. And to me it is perfectly understandable that they would talk about Michael's relationships with women after that question. Most people consider p****iles freaks that would not have normal relationships with women.
 
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PPFTT! as if that "expert" knows anything lol!
 
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here it is

Welcome to medialoid spinning 101.

The guards meant well, alas they should've known that everything would be edited to the evil media's liking. Rinse, spin and repeat. :(
 
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I thought the interview was very honest and open
 
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Welcome to medialoid spinning 101.

The guards meant well, alas they should've known that everything would be edited to the evil media's liking. Rinse, spin and repeat. :(


OK the marijuana thing was kind of random. I am sure there was more to the question and answer His cards were being denied but he was traveling with a briefcase full of cash? I love how ABC continues to act like Michael died of a drug overdose and I also get the feeling these guys know nothing about Murray and how Michael died. And for some reason I am not buying that we stuck around out of loyalty line. And your car is being repossessed? No
 
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And another thing these guys were not around during the last months of his life.
 
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OK the marijuana thing was kind of random. I am sure there was more to the question and answer His cards were being denied but he was traveling with a briefcase full of cash? I love how ABC continues to act like Michael died of a drug overdose and I also get the feeling these guys know nothing about Murray and how Michael died. And for some reason I am not buying that we stuck around out of loyalty line. And your car is being repossessed? No

Yeah it doesn't really add up does it. Maybe it's not meant too and we have to buy the book.
 
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These men don't seem like bad people but this was all very invasive. I wonder why these guys were fired or did they quit because they I don't recognize them from last year.
 
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OK the marijuana thing was kind of random. I am sure there was more to the question and answer His cards were being denied but he was traveling with a briefcase full of cash? I love how ABC continues to act like Michael died of a drug overdose and I also get the feeling these guys know nothing about Murray and how Michael died. And for some reason I am not buying that we stuck around out of loyalty line. And your car is being repossessed? No

these guys really looked and sounded like they really loved MJ, that's probably why they stuck around, MJ was probably all their role models and inspiration growing up, being a body guard for his probably was the highest high, the obviously didn't want to give that up.
 
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I'm tired of examining everything and trying to determine people's alterior motives. I enjoyed the interview and thought it was positive.
 
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Clearly the guys liked Michael that much is clear. But I wonder if I am feeling this way because of the way the interview was edited. I mean they were implying things that clearly were not true
 
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I feel the weight of the world on my shoulders when I read more about Michael's life!! Ouch! :no:
I dont like the idea of writing a book. -_-
I dont like it that they talked too much. -_-
I like to know little things about Michael the "man". :wub: As a woman it is interesting to hear.
And I agree with the "were where all the celebrities when he was alive?" part.

By the way, I hate tributes and awards and all that stuff! UGH!! Too late!! It doesn't mean anything now! -_-
 
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Clearly the guys liked Michael that much is clear. But I wonder if I am feeling this way because of the way the interview was edited. I mean they were implying things that clearly were not true


It was manily the press that edited it, not the guards.
 
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