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MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording. [Merged]

respect77 said:
Yeah, it's annoying how the article calls the 2010 remix "the original".
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It's also annoying how they said it's not his greatest song. They think that butchered mess is Michael's doing? They haven't heard the original...
 
what do they mean with "justin bieber and Michael jackson are together at last"...? Is this something the world has been eagerly awaiting? God, someone beam me back to the 80's... at least they had proper music.
 
respect77 said:
Yeah, it's annoying how the article calls the 2010 remix "the original".
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Well at least we are talking about music and not court cases or molestation aligations. What's annoying is the fans constantly complaining about every possible release. Just wait and see what happens. I come on this forum for updates and such but it's getting rediculus all the complaining. The estate will do the right thing just let it happen. We all want new music.
 
Smooth72 said:
Well at least we are talking about music and not court cases or molestation aligations. What's annoying is the fans constantly complaining about every possible release. Just wait and see what happens. I come on this forum for updates and such but it's getting rediculus all the complaining. The estate will do the right thing just let it happen. We all want new music.
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Yeah, just like they've always done the right thing thus far, right?
 
Smooth72 said:
Well at least we are talking about music and not court cases or molestation aligations. What's annoying is the fans constantly complaining about every possible release. Just wait and see what happens. I come on this forum for updates and such but it's getting rediculus all the complaining. The estate will do the right thing just let it happen. We all want new music.
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I'm actually not one of those who complain all the time about anything the Estate does, but putting Justin Bieber on an MJ record is ridiculous. Sorry if you don't like it but I'm not going to applause that.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

bobmoo79 said:
Of course they need to look after the MJ legacy, but that also means taking it forward for as long as they can, and that of course requires them to make money. The more money the better for them (salary) and the kids (inheritance) and Sony (profit).
MJ fans endlessly moan about 'integrity' etc but at the end of the day MJ was all about sales. He loved selling millions of albums and he loved being the biggest artist in the world. In my opinion he would love having massive success with posthumous projects, such as This Is It, Cirque du Soleil shows etc. I think MJ would be happy with Sony using his music to appeal to the masses again, and I think if the MJ Estate try to be sympathetic when they rework his unreleased material then it should be ok. This Bieber thing has been blown out of proportion, because while the MJ Estate may have requested Bieber work on STTR, they would never have given authorisation for the leaked version to be released in its current state - it has too much Bieber. The person who leaked it is responsible for this mess, not the MJ Estate.
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Michael didn't care about overspending budgets. He lost money big time on projects like the HIStory Teaser, the Ghosts film and even the HIStory Tour (as far as i read.) Immortalizing himself by giving a great show, a great spectacle was Michaels number one priority. He didn't care about the money, but rather about the headline "MJ making big money". :)

Sure, thats what got him in the financial problems he had towards the end of his life. But the estate could at least respect a little more how Michael would have done things. But they have no sense for that. Its frustrating to see how they have no real understanding of Michaels art, Michaels style and vision. They are a business shark and a out of touch wanna-be producer that even had the guts to recommend to Michael to put putty on his nose and put on black makeup for the You Rock My World video...

I don't think Michael would have minded a collab with the Bieber. But i think hes for sure turning in his grave about how the estate is handling his unreleased art.

Anyway. Talking in general here. Getting offtopic..
 
I think the only (major) misstep the Estate has done is the Michael album but so many other things have been amazing - the Cirque shows, TII, Bad25 and their general defence of Michael against relentless media bullsh*t and family shenanigans.

Everyone will have different opinions as to what they should or shouldn't do. But they DO need to make money. It's business. The Michael Jackson business.

Sony will need a big hit album to justify the *massive* deal they did with the Estate. Sadly, untouched songs like Behind The Mask and Al Capone etc, as wonderful as they are to us fans will not make money. So they are going to add big name producers like Timbaland and A-list contributors to get some hits and likely also include lots of stuff to keep the fans happy. Perhaps a double album, who knows?

But whatever happens, they certainly will have learnt from Michael the album, so just maybe, fans should be patient, have a little faith (!) and realise that 95% of the reaction to STTR has been positive - with most people NOW wanting to hear the original. This might very well be an elaborate stunt. Who knows?

Still better than the heartbreaking court case...
 
what a disaster were being fed this sh!t and they don't care if your happy or not they want $$$$$ its obvious its official listen how cleaned up it is, its even up to today's standards its happening and the estate is now doing damage control you cant control damage already caused this is the internet in 2013 where you can get ANYTHING you want for FREE. so a big middle finger to everyone involved.
 
respect77 said:
Ugh. It just made it to the front page of Yahoo News. The article itself is on The Week website but the link is on the Yahoo News frontpage: http://theweek.com/article/index/24...n-are-together-at-last-on-slave-to-the-rhythm

Do we still think the Estate doesn't need to release a statement?
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The song with JB on that article has now been removed due to copyright claim. Only Michael Jackson version remains on that article. I left a comment.
The MJ Estate has given no authorization for the Justin Bieber recording. They sent a message to the fan bases stating that. SME is now removing them for copyright infringement. The video with JB ruining Michael Jackson's song in your article has been taken down.for CR infringement and Only Michael remains :) Also STTR was NEVER released and fans have been waiting on pins and needles for it's proper release with Michael's vocals. Then JB pulls this ARROGANT stunt that can jeopardise that.. Is it any wonder the MJ Community is up in arms over it. They have a right to be angry.
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Man, people are really still trying to defend the steaming pile of manure that is this remix....smh....
 
Jw224 said:
Man, people are really still trying to defend the steaming pile of manure that is this remix....smh....
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Well regardless of our personal opinion it's to late. The song is everywhere. The crap about taking it down is just that crap. Do a search on YouTube or google. The song has been heard hundreds of thousands of times. By weeks end it will be out of the park. It's amazing what MJ can do after being dead for 4 years and have had his private life grilled in court. My guess is no way this a accident.
 
The estate needs to send a stronger statement. Now this crap was reported here in Mexico, at least they didn't say it's a "JB song" but a Michael cover. It isn't even that, he butchered STTR. And I don't why they haven't taken down all the YT videos, now I look for the song and that crap is the first option it appears. :puke:
 
respect77;3890710 said:
I'm actually not one of those who complain all the time about anything the Estate does, but putting Justin Bieber on an MJ record is ridiculous. Sorry if you don't like it but I'm not going to applause that.
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That’s how I feel too. I actually support the Estate, I think they have done many things right. Even when I’m not happy with some of their decisions I try not to be too critical because I know that no matter what they do, they can’t please everyone since fans want so many different things.

And I have nothing against remixes or duets, I liked the Bad25 remixes a lot. But having Justin Bieber on a Michael Jackson record is where I draw the line.
 
Release Slave to the Rhythm with some Timbaland production and the original 89 version as a B-Side or iTunes exclusive extra or something.

= SMASH HIT & HAPPY FANS
 
I don't like this and it has nothing to do with my "Michael purist views". For one, Michael completed this song, and aside from the newer beat that is exactly the same as the original (the 2010 leaked mix, not the literal original) just with new instrumentation, his version is a lot better. And it isn't because Bieber is on this, its because Michael's voice sounds a lot better. Whatever Biebers producers did to this song, they unneccesarily deepened Michaels voice. They took away his entire first verse and chorus for the sake of letting Bieber sing it and demoted Michael, on his own goddamn song might I add, to one verse and splitting the bridge with Bieber.

The estate says this isnt official and Bieber didnt have permission to do this and I hope they're telling us the truth. Release this song in its original form or don't release it at all.
 
Come let us reason together
I don't think It was an accident that Bieber's camp leaked his version of STTR. Probably knew it would not be considered or authorized for a release so Bieber wanted to get it out anyway. The leak doesn't make $$$ for anyone. If Bieber's camp thought the song would be considered for an official release by the Estate $$$ they wouldn't have leaked it. But one thing the leak has done is let the Estate know what MJ fans feel about STTR and JB recording any MJ music. I doubt he will ever be considered for anything like that after this arrogant stunt. SME is removing them systematically from the interenet. It is not an easy chore and some slip through the cracks as anyone who uploads on YT knows.

We don't know if Bieber was given permission to work on the song and submit it for consideration or not. Or if he just took it upon himself with Max meadows. We do know the Estate said it was NOT authorized. We also know that many artist and producers vie to work on MJ songs. (Same as when MJ was here ) That in No way means the songs they work on will ever be authorized or chosen for a release by the powers that be. It doesn't make them official in any way. Most artists respect that and know not to leak any work they are doing for others artist. They know it is wrong and will jeopardise their chances to be considered by others in the industry as well.

Justin Bieber comes off as arrogant about this Leak (Publicity stunt) and even tweeted behind the leak about MJ. There was No apology, just a tweet from the producer (Max Methods) which comes off as nothing more than an oops. I don't think we can blame the Estate for thier actions any more than we would blame MJ for what others produced or leaked when he was here. The Blame goes to Justin Bieber and his camp for this Arrogant Stunt...
 
Some fans are being pretty dang harsh, mean, and judgmental towards Justin bieber considering we are Michael Jackson fans.. With all the bad press mj got we were smart enough to stand by him and not judge.. And preach how its wrong to be so disrespectful towards a person.. Cutting and pasting mj quotes supporting that.

But now I see some fans doing exactly what we preached against towards bieber..

I don't think anyone here has a legitimate reason to hate bieber.. None of us have spent a moment with the kid/guy..

Its easy to excuse Michael for questionable actions but some seem not to be as fair to others.. I'd just think these fans would think a little more about it while knowing all the ammo they have to throw at us..

Most bieber fans (no it all) are respectful to Michael and we are giving them reasons not to be.. We represent Michael now! He's not here to do it,.
 
qbee said:
Come let us reason together
I don't think It was an accident that Bieber's camp leaked his version of STTR. Probably knew it would not be considered or authorized for a release so Bieber wanted to get it out anyway. The leak doesn't make $$$ for anyone. If Bieber's camp thought the song would be considered for an official release by the Estate $$$ they wouldn't have leaked it. But one thing the leak has done is let the Estate know what MJ fans feel about STTR and JB recording any MJ music. I doubt he will ever be considered for anything like that after this arrogant stunt. SME is removing them systematically from the interenet. It is not an easy chore and some slip through the cracks as anyone who uploads on YT knows.

We don't know if Bieber was given permission to work on the song and submit it for consideration or not. Or if he just took it upon himself with Max meadows. We do know the Estate said it was NOT authorized. We also know that many artist and producers vie to work on MJ songs. (Same as when MJ was here ) That in No way means the songs they work on will ever be authorized or chosen for a release by the powers that be. It doesn't make them official in any way. Most artists respect that and know not to leak any work they are doing for others artist. They know it is wrong and will jeopardise their chances to be considered by others in the industry as well.

Justin Bieber comes off as arrogant about this Leak (Publicity stunt) and even tweeted behind the leak about MJ. There was No apology, just a tweet from the producer (Max Methods) which comes off as nothing more than an oops. I don't think we can blame the Estate for thier actions any more than we would blame MJ for what others produced or leaked when he was here.
The Blame goes to Justin Bieber and his camp for this Arrogant Stunt...
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A Sensible post.
 
KOPV said:
Some fans are being pretty dang harsh, mean, and judgmental towards Justin bieber considering we are Michael Jackson fans.. With all the bad press mj got we were smart enough to stand by him and not judge.. And preach how its wrong to be so disrespectful towards a person.. Cutting and pasting mj quotes supporting that.

But now I see some fans doing exactly what we preached against towards bieber..

I don't think anyone here has a legitimate reason to hate bieber.. None of us have spent a moment with the kid/guy..

Its easy to excuse Michael for questionable actions but some seem not to be as fair to others.. I'd just think these fans would think a little more about it while knowing all the ammo they have to throw at us..
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One standard for Michael Jackson and another for everyone else. Proven by the way people have reacted to the song. Will they apologize? Will they balls.
 
I understand the protest, i like the consensual critisism of that act.
That Remix & the leak of it is a shame!

but what i don't like & what i don't understand is the hate! There is no need for hate in ANY direction, not to bieber, not to his fans!
 
As soon as the song came out people lashed out and attacked the Estate, Sony and everyone else who'd ever met MJ. Now we know they didn't authorize it and might not had even known about it, will people apologize for attacking the Estate unnecessarily/without knowing anything? How come it's not ok for someone to do it towards MJ, but it's cool to throw all sorts of stuff Biebers way?
 
Bobmoo I'm not excusing who ever leaked this at all.. I'm specifically talking about some hate that's being pointed at towards jb.. People have attacked him as a character as a person and totally trashed him.. For what?? Because he may have leaked a track he shouldnt have? Or maybe its jealousy that he's in position to get a master cut of the song.... Whatever the case its not hatter worthy!

If he leaked it.. That was not a good move.. I'd be more mad at the estate for not using the original song and releasing projects without adding this in.. Sttr is the best unreleased track we've heard since mj passed.. Biggest potential hit for today's market anyway..

Its not too late for the estate to release it, just do it on mjs next full album release..

I jut feel ppl should be pointing there anger at the situation not the guy on the track.. Because he "dared" to record it.. Well I've heard some fan covers and duets of mj songs that were far worse than this track.. I'd actually say its biebera best vocal I've heard..

I want the original one released!,!,
 
There's no reason to hate his fans. But there is reason to correct them on foolishness when they say things like Bieber deserves all sorts of awards and accolades for this song when not one ounce of his own creativity contributed to it.

People don't dislike Bieber because of this song, if they rag on him now, odds are they were never really fond of him. And when you look at it, judging from what other celebrities say about him, he isn't exactly the stand up, loving and caring guy Michael was.

I've only read back a couple of pages, so I don't know what comments you guys are referring to, but I will say that I myself, understand the frustration others have with this current situation.

He's issued no apologies, which has become his common reaction to every questionable thing he does. And this Max person is still going about as if this was Estate sanctioned, "I'm ashamed this leaked when it wasn't ready". It never would have been ready because the Estate apparently never gave him or Bieber the rights to the song or the okay to let them turn it into a remix that is 90% Justin Bieber vocals and about 10% Michael.
 
KOPV said:
Some fans are being pretty dang harsh, mean, and judgmental towards Justin bieber considering we are Michael Jackson fans.. With all the bad press mj got we were smart enough to stand by him and not judge.. And preach how its wrong to be so disrespectful towards a person.. Cutting and pasting mj quotes supporting that.

But now I see some fans doing exactly what we preached against towards bieber..

I don't think anyone here has a legitimate reason to hate bieber.. None of us have spent a moment with the kid/guy..

Its easy to excuse Michael for questionable actions but some seem not to be as fair to others.. I'd just think these fans would think a little more about it while knowing all the ammo they have to throw at us..

Most bieber fans (no it all) are respectful to Michael and we are giving them reasons not to be.. We represent Michael now! He's not here to do it,.
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Some people criticized Bieber here for his personality. I don't know anything about that as I do not follow him. Nor do I care to follow him.

Most people are just focused on this issue with the song and I don't see why he should be above criticism regarding that. "Not judging" doesn't mean that we always have to be uncritical to people even if they did wrong. I can't see why we should not tell our about opinion that he butchered Michael's song if we feel that way. Or our opinion that it's disrespectful of him to replace Michael with himself on Michael's track. And if he or his camp are behind this leak then that's wrong too. I don't know why some of you feel we should just all applause this stunt.
 
dam2040 said:
One standard for Michael Jackson and another for everyone else. Proven by the way people have reacted to the song. Will they apologize? Will they balls.
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Apologize for what? For not liking Justin Bieber butchering Michael's song and this whole stunt? I didn't know everyone is obliged to love Justin Bieber and what he did with Michael's song now.
 
respect77 said:
Apologize for what? For not liking Justin Bieber butchering Michael's song and this whole stunt? I didn't know everyone is obliged to love Justin Bieber and what he did with Michael's song now.
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Did I say that? No, stop jumping to conclusions. I just said the way people acted towards the Estate was disgraceful given the lack of information at the time.
 
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