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MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording. [Merged]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

ChrisC said:
A few people are raising the 'sales don't matter' and 'charts don't matter' arguments. I think it'd be fair to say that these two things were extremely important to Michael. He'd constantly set these kinds of goals for himself and did from time to time cite them in interviews. If Walter Yetnikoff is to be believed, Michael would call him up during the Bad days and, apparently, in a whiny voice would say "my record's not number one" like a spoilt child - the kind of garbage Spike Lee saw fit to include in Bad 25.

I think the real argument is, don't sell out for chart positions. And by and large I don't think MJ ever did (ignoring Thriller 25).
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Right. See I think the point is charts don't matter if it means they're whoring his songs (with questionable collaborations, for example). Michael wanted big sales, but his artistic dignity came first. You can always play safe and have a duet with the current hot thing and double the sales cause you have two fan communities supporting the song. but it would only work with this song and not the whole album. Personally, I'd rather see Sony and the estate working day and night on actual PR for the whole album, which I think they kind of failed to do with the last few projects. Projects with great potential didn't sell as much as was expected.

and lets just say this remix is released and goes straight to 1# - I can actually see how people are going to say JB helped MJ get his first 1# in years. I wanna see another MJ song\album go like hotcakes, but I want it to be his success and nobody else's. Especially when we still have full songs.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

Courtney said:
Good point, I didn't think of that. They have lives too, I suppose. :p
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It is a fair point. At the same time, if an urgent issue comes up in my work, I do not go: "let's leave it till Monday!" Also, how much time does it really take to draw up a short press statement? If this was a straightforward issue they could have easily responded to it on Friday already, just like they e-mailed people on their mailing list.
 
Worst part about this is that people are giving all the credit to Justin Bieber and are treating this like it's his own song. Putting Justin Bieber on a Michael Jackson song is already insulting but to call it ''Justin Bieber feat Michael Jackson'' is insulting and a huge slap in the face
 
analogue said:
Worst part about this is that people are giving all the credit to Justin Bieber and are treating this like it's his own song. Putting Justin Bieber on a Michael Jackson song is already insulting but to call it ''Justin Bieber feat Michael Jackson'' is insulting and a huge slap in the face
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Yeah, i'm getting tired of seeing it, it's really aggravating...
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

czechstar said:
I find it incredulous that people are still suggesting that somehow Justin Bieber added his own vocals to this track. Like some teenager in his bedroom with some cheapy software. Face it, this is almost certainly an Estate project.
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Really? It wasn't a "teenager in his bedroom" case when Pras made another "unauthorized' remix for a MJ song he got his hands on (Gangsta\No Friend Of Mine). Was it? and soon after it got leaked Michael (Raymone) released a statement saying it was done with MJ's approval. I don't know if this remix is a MJ estate project or not, but it's not that incredulous to think it isn't... yet. Anyway if that's the case I'm pretty sure the software he used wasn't cheap either.
 
Whats funny is when people say ''This is what Michael would have wanted'' or ''Michael definitely would have worked with Justin Bieber''

Michael never even met Bieber so how can these people make such stupid statements and even if Michael did work with Bieber i would disagree with his decision
 
analogue said:
Whats funny is when people say ''This is what Michael would have wanted'' or ''Michael definitely would have worked with Justin Bieber''

Michael never even met Bieber so how can these people make such statements and even if Michael did work with Bieber i would disagree with his decision
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Yeah, I know, They don't know what Michael would have done.
 
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So I got this picture texted to me by a friend of mine who found it on twitter. Apparently this girl asked Justin Bieber about STTR and this was his response. She took an actual picture of her computer screen with her camera. I zoomed in on the picture on my computer and the tweet from JB on the top does say:
"No the family gave it to him a year ago to finish saying that is what MJ would of wanted. They asked me to do it."
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I'm assuming the "him" part is a typo on his part. But maybe not. He may be referring to someone else. Just thought I'd share. I know the screen caps were discussed here but I don't remember seeing this camera shot posted. However, if it was I apologize. I'm just seeing this now. Soo...maybe the estate isn't in on this..?
 
Courtney said:
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So I got this picture texted to me by a friend of mine who found it on twitter. Apparently this girl asked Justin Bieber about STTR and this was his response. She took an actual picture of her computer screen with her camera. I zoomed in on the picture on my computer and the tweet from JB on the top does say: I'm assuming the "him" part is a typo on his part. But maybe not. He may be referring to someone else. Just thought I'd share. I know the screen caps were discussed here but I don't remember seeing this camera shot posted. However, if it was I apologize. I'm just seeing this now. Soo...maybe the estate isn't in on this..?
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Isn't it illegal for this to be happening, Sony and the estate own the rights to the songs, not the family?
 
I personally would not expect any more statements from Estate. They did their statement. Media isn't picking up on this song leak. There's not much reason for them to do a media release.
 
ivy said:
I personally would not expect any more statements from Estate. They did their statement. Media isn't picking up on this song leak. There's not much reason for them to do a media release.
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I have seen two articles about it. None of them mentioned it was unauthorized.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Pentum said:
Notice how clear MJ's voice is with no bg music from the original song? They used the cappella - this shit is official
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THE TRUTH BEHIND "SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM":

There is a clear studio acapella version of the "Slave To The Rhythm" which was floating over YouTube and elsewhere for a while when this song leaked for the first time few years ago. Some fans even own it. I've heared it myself and I can proove - the clear acapella of STTR has leaked as well! So this new mix has nothing official to do with Justin Bieber, Estate or anyone else who is mentioned here. And the voice of "Justin Bieber" here is not the real one, it's like another Jason Malachi, but for JB.
That's it. Nothing more.
 
respect77;3890282 said:
I agree. Hopefully we get a clarification soon.
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Going by past experience, the estate will probably just add to their previous statement:

"We hope everyone has the opportunity to see the MJ ONE show…that’s the real Michael.” And maybe include some appropriate song lyrics.
 
The Bad 25 Documentary was right. To Michael, his finished songs are good, while his unfinished demos is like treasure to other artists. Pretty pathetic if you ask me :/
 
madmijack;3890408 said:
THE TRUTH BEHIND "SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM":

There is a clear studio acapella version of the "Slave To The Rhythm" which was floating over YouTube and elsewhere for a while when this song leaked for the first time few years ago. Some fans even own it. I've heared it myself and I can proove - the clear acapella of STTR has leaked as well! So this new mix has nothing official to do with Justin Bieber, Estate or anyone else who is mentioned here. And the voice of "Justin Bieber" here is not the real one, it's like another Jason Malachi, but for JB.
That's it. Nothing more.
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If it's a fake JB then why did JB make these tweets referencing MJ the same day this song blew up:


Excited for what is to come. MJ set the bar. Not only for music but for being an entertainer and how u treat the fans. Wish he was here…
— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) August 16, 2013

All of it is not always easy but it is a blessing. We can change the world. I’m up for the challenge. Big things ahead! #greatness. love you
— Justin Bieber (@justinbieber) August 16, 2013

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And what about Maxmethod's tweets?

Wow.been getting hit up abt this @MichaelJackson Ft. @Justinbieber record all day. I have so much respect for the Jackson Estate and…
— Maxmethods (@MaxMethods) August 17, 2013
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it was an honor to work on this record….but its unfortunate that the record leaked before it was ready.
— Maxmethods (@MaxMethods) August 17, 2013

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Yesterday Bieber tweeted:

Justin Bieber &#8207;<s>@</s>justinbieber <small class="time"> Aug 17 </small> MJ. The greatest of all time. <s>#</s>fact
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And Maxmethods retweeted it. While that in itself doesn't mean anything regarding the song, but it's odd he's making all these MJ references now, but doesn't come out denying it's him on the track if it's indeed not him.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

respect77 said:
If it's a fake JB then why did JB make these tweets referencing MJ the same day this song blew up:

And what about Maxmethod's tweets?

Yesterday Bieber tweeted:

And Maxmethods retweeted it. While that in itself doesn't mean anything regarding the song, but it's odd he's making all these MJ references now, but doesn't come out denying it's not him on the track if it's indeed not him.
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Because Justin Bieber can't loose this great chance to promote himself among other community (MJ), not only his own fans. And he never said "No, that's not me singing" neither "Yes, I'm messed up in that". He prefers to stay neutral to that.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

madmijack said:
THE TRUTH BEHIND "SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM":

There is a clear studio acapella version of the "Slave To The Rhythm" which was floating over YouTube and elsewhere for a while when this song leaked for the first time few years ago. Some fans even own it. I've heared it myself and I can proove - the clear acapella of STTR has leaked as well! So this new mix has nothing official to do with Justin Bieber, Estate or anyone else who is mentioned here. And the voice of "Justin Bieber" here is not the real one, it's like another Jason Malachi, but for JB.
That's it. Nothing more.
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I don't believe for a second that an a cappella of STTR leaked when STTR leaked. I was online 24/7 at that point, nothing about any a cappella.

As for a Justin Bieber soundalike, that was my first thought when I heard the song. But seeing as Bieber tweeted about MJ shortly after it became known, it pretty much confirmed for me that it was him.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

madmijack said:
Because Justin Bieber can't loose this great chance to promote himself among other community (MJ), not only his own fans. And he never said "No, that's not me singing" neither "Yes, I'm messed up in that". He prefers to stay neutral to that.
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I'm not convinced at all. But we will see.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

Pentum said:
I don't believe for a second that an a cappella of STTR leaked when STTR leaked. I was online 24/7 at that point, nothing about any a cappella.
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However, my friend, it DOES exist, not only in Estate's vault ;)
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

respect77 said:
I'm not convinced at all. But we will see.
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Same here. But then we come back to the issue of them needing an acapella to make this, the only way they could get one of those is from sony...
 
ivy said:
I personally would not expect any more statements from Estate. They did their statement. Media isn't picking up on this song leak. There's not much reason for them to do a media release.
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While I agree that it is quite likely that we will not hear anything else, I could not disagree more about there not being a reason to do a media release. Slave to the rhythm was trending on Twitter for two days straight. It's been played on radio stations as Justin Bieber's new song. Meanwhile, the Estate has not made any comment to the media. Only us fans know about their statement, which is so vague that no one knows exactly what to make of it. It seems to suggest that either the recording or the leak of the track was unauthorized.

Whatever it is, if all this is not a reason to put out a statement, then what is really?

respect77 said:
I have seen two articles about it. None of them mentioned it was unauthorized.
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That's because no one outside of MJ fans know about their statement. They did not even bother to post it on the MJonlineteam twitter account.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber

madmijack said:
However, my friend, it DOES exist, not only in Estate's vault ;)
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Sure it does exist, producers like Stewart Tricky, L.A.Reid and Babyface has it... Like I said, the thought of a Bieber sound alike struck me, because I know there have been a couple of them, but I'm not convince.

And you are not exactly giving any proof here. I can't just take your word for it.
 
SoCav said:
Whatever it is, if all this is not a reason to put out a statement, then what is really?
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past shows us they aren't big on media / public statements. they aren't also fond of releasing statements and attract more attention. So of this is a leak that they did not want (which I think at least we can all agree their statement meant), they would not publicly acknowledge the leak and draw any more attention to it. They might prefer it to remain among MJ and Justin fans if they plan a future public release for the song.
 
Could anyone send me the .aif file?

Edit: Got it!
 
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That woukd be an amazing acapella to hear.. If that's found I'd love to hear..
 
Ok i just heard this version...can send someone send me a puke bucket?
 
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