MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording. [Merged]

Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

I find it incredulous that people are still suggesting that somehow Justin Bieber added his own vocals to this track. Like some teenager in his bedroom with some cheapy software. Face it, this is almost certainly an Estate project.
 
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Bolded the opinions. Doesn't make it fact. Whether you like it or not.

Ok, just open your ears and compare, man. That's all I'm saying. I'm very sorry you can't hear it, though, no offense.

And before anyone thinks I'm being offensive/insulting, I'm not. I'm extremely serious.


EDIT: Before I forget, I'm again quite surprised my entire post got ignored (probably) and you only saw the bolded parts that were subjective (yet also a fact even though most won't admit it). This is the very same reason why this 'discussion' will go around in circles.
 
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Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

Ok, just open your ears and compare, man. That's all I'm saying. I'm very sorry you can't hear it, though, no offense.

And before anyone thinks I'm being offensive/insulting, I'm not. I'm extremely serious.


EDIT: Before I forget, I'm again quite surprised my entire post got ignored (probably) and you only saw the bolded parts that were subjective (yet also a fact even though most won't admit it). This is the very same reason why this 'discussion' will go around in circles.

I'm just saying it's not fact. It is purely opinion.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

For everyone saying Justin Bieber can help Michael get another hit single, Justin Bieber has never had a #1 US single so...

Also, does anyone know who wrote this song? Was it Michael alone, Babyface & LA Reid, or all three? Personally I can't wait to hear the original version of this song. (Along with the other songs Babyface worked on with Michael such as the ballad Angel).
 
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For everyone saying Justin Bieber can help Michael get another hit single, Justin Bieber has never had a #1 US single so...

Also, does anyone know who wrote this song? Was it Michael alone, Babyface & LA Reid, or all three? Personally I can't wait to hear the original version of this song. (Along with the other songs Babyface worked on with Michael such as the ballad Angel).

I hope they release the original demo, I have a bad feeling they won't... :/
 
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To me, music is subjective to a certain degree/bar.

There is always 'quality' involved. And there are many other factors involved such as the creating process, the artist(s), the production, the instruments etc. I love to discuss this with people (but not on a message board). Too much typing. =P
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

Do you know this kid, yes Bruno Mars;





Looks he really loves him. But he doesnt want to be Michael Jackson, He is not trying to be Michael Jackson. He is a fan of MJ like us. One day if he sing a Michael Jackson song on his album, I don't get angry. Because he always shows his love, his respect. His way is different, not like Justin.

maybe he could feature on a future release of 'Love never felt so good?' his voice would suit the song so beautifully. sorry for being off topic.
 
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maybe he could feature on a future release of 'Love never felt so good?' his voice would suit the song so beautifully. sorry for being off topic.

To be honest, that would be the very same thing here (only he is actually a great artist). Love Never Felt So Good is already finished by MJ so why replace his vocals with Bruno's?
 
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if Bruno Mars was to feature on a song of michael's, i would be happy. but not a song that can have potential in of itself like slave to the rhythm. something like, love never felt so good.. give it a re fresh! release it on itunes and have it as a bonus track on a future cd. i wouldn't argue. and i think we do need a collectors label, hopefully at the end of the sony contract in 2017. something just for us hardcore fans, and not the worldwide audience who'll only buy 1-2 song's if that.
 
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an example of art being preserved. take jimi hendrix's new unreleased album that has recently been released. their are absolutely no sign of any new artists appearing on his song's because of one reason, his estate respect his work enough to let his fans and the world's audience hear his song's the way he left them. no one has previously heard of these, which bring's up the similarity of slave to the rhythm.. it's only known within the hardcore fanbase of michael because of the 2010 leak when it failed to make the controversial 'Michael' Album. No Certified legend of music should be exposed to any new artist who thinks they can just do what they want, to get a number one. I sincerely hope we hear Michael's 1989 demo as soon as possible.
The Hendrix album is an interesting example. It has not gone without criticism, as some diehard fans have been critical of the way it has been marketed (being presented sometimes as a cohesive new album he was working on, when it is actually more a random collection of different jams; and of the fact that most tracks are already known, albeit in alternative versions, by diehards). Still, these issues are of course of a totally different calibre than what we as MJ fans have encountered ever since Michael passed, and overall I think it is a collection that was put together respectfully. His work was left untouched and, although known to some extent, offers diehards alternative versions of songs they already knew, and exposes casual fans to a whole disc of authentic material they probably have not heard before.

The reviews have also been favourable and contain the sentiments which I would love to find in reviews of future MJ releases, e.g.: "No one knows for certain, but this latest collection offers a tantalising glimpse of how Hendrix's genius might have progressed," "People, Hell and Angels offers the clearest sense yet of how Hendrix was preparing an evolution of his own," etc.

I think the album is also an interesting example of how it is possible to do quite well commercially while still respecting the artistic integrity of the artist. The single "Somewhere" hit #1 on the Billboard singles chart and the album made it to #2 in the Billboard 200 album chat in its first week. Remember that Hendrix has been gone for 43 years, and died when he was 27, only in the early stages of his career. Also keep in mind that this new Hendrix release is his 10th posthumous studio album already. Yet, despite the fact that they have much, much more to work with, the MJ Estate apparently cannot get something like this together.
 
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To be honest, that would be the very same thing here (only he is actually a great artist). Love Never Felt So Good is already finished by MJ so why replace his vocals with Bruno's?

i meant as a bonus. read above.

''if Bruno Mars was to feature on a song of michael's, i would be happy. but not a song that can have potential in of itself like slave to the rhythm. something like, love never felt so good.. give it a re fresh! release it on itunes and have it as a bonus track on a future cd. i wouldn't argue. and i think we do need a collectors label, hopefully at the end of the sony contract in 2017. something just for us hardcore fans, and not the worldwide audience who'll only buy 1-2 song's if that.'' also including the original.
 
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The Hendrix album is an interesting example. It has not gone without criticism, as some diehard fans have been critical of the way it has been marketed (being presented sometimes as a cohesive new album he was working on, when it is actually more a random collection of different jams; and of the fact that most tracks are already known, albeit in alternative versions, by diehards). Still, these issues are of course of a totally different calibre than what we as MJ fans have encountered ever since Michael passed, and overall I think it is a collection that was put together respectfully. His work was left untouched and, although known to some extent, offers diehards alternative versions of songs they already knew, and exposes casual fans to a whole disc of authentic material they probably have not heard before.

The reviews have also been favourable and contain the sentiments which I would love to find in reviews of future MJ releases, e.g.: "No one knows for certain, but this latest collection offers a tantalising glimpse of how Hendrix's genius might have progressed," "People, Hell and Angels offers the clearest sense yet of how Hendrix was preparing an evolution of his own," etc.

I think the album is also an interesting example of how it is possible to do quite well commercially while still respecting the artistic integrity of the artist. The single "Somewhere" hit #1 on the Billboard singles chart and the album made it to #2 in the Billboard 200 album chat in its first week. Remember that Hendrix has been gone for 43 years, and died when he was 27, only in the early stages of his career. Also keep in mind that this new Hendrix release is his 10th posthumous studio album already. Yet, despite the fact that they have much, much more to work with, the MJ Estate apparently cannot get something like this together.

Not happening unfortunately, Thriller was his creative peak according to morons. Sorry reviewers.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

I find it incredulous that people are still suggesting that somehow Justin Bieber added his own vocals to this track. Like some teenager in his bedroom with some cheapy software. Face it, this is almost certainly an Estate project.


I'm afraid you are right and that only makes it scarier.
 
Re: MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording.

The Estate is doing a good job wen it comes to making money (example Circque & The One..) but there are losing the plot when it comes to Unreleased music. I think they, like Sony believe, that unreleased music won't sell well and so focus on the back catalogue.

In my opinion some of the mistakes the Estate made are:

1. This is it single (They shd have released a new song like "best of Joy" as the first posthumous release and promoted it as one of the last singles MJ Recorded. Fans were desperate to have a No-1 single in the last decade for MJ, which did'nt happen coz "This is it" the song was a demo which was never gonna top the charts.

2. MICHAEL Album ( I wont even talk abt this....)

3. Not promoting newer music with. The videos for Hollywood 2nite & Behind the mask were very ordinary and the album itself received no promotion.

4. Not using unseen footage for new music videos. (How many times are they gonna use the footage from Dangerous Bucharest and other music videos to make videos for new songs).

5. N now this Bieber goof up. Surely this could'nt have happend without the Esate being party to this duet.

I remember Sony making a statement that they were hoping that the "MICHAEL" Album wud match the sales of the This it it sound track. Clearly showing that they don't have too much faith in new music.

Also, they shd come out with a statement or a press release declaring this to be an unauthorised recording for everyone to know and to stop RJs DJs & RJs from spreading lies.
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

Not happening unfortunately, Thriller was his creative peak according to morons. Sorry reviewers.
I certainly agree that reviews of MJ's work have been incredibly short-sighted, biased and unfair, and I can see why you would bring that up. However, my point was not so much that I am desperate to get reviewers to like Michael, but more that I hope to get albums in the future that allow people to see how Michael might have progressed, or what else he could have done, similarly to what these reviewers feel they were able to get from the new Hendrix collection.

In addition, I think the argument (which I am not saying that you are necessarily trying to argue, btw) that 'reviewers will never like MJ anyway' should absolutely not be a reason to not release material that respects his artistic integrity. If anything, releasing remixes like this does nothing but to affirm these misguided views of Michael as a great entertainer and tremendously successful chart-topper, who is nevertheless not worthy of being considered among the all-time greats.
 
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The estate haven't got a frigging clue
 
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For me, its not weather the song sounds good or not with Bieber. Its the principle. For one, I think the Estate is behind this. Obviously putting one of the biggest stars at the moment with the one of the biggest stars ever in life is a instant hit maker, instantly tapping into the Bieber fan base. The only people that have a problem with it is us, the MJ fans, whether its because we hate Bieber, we hate the mix, or we hate the fact this seems like a quick money making cheme. To everyone else its probably beneficial. I personally just want to hear the original and an updated mix with just Michael's vocals because its his song. Sick of seeing Justin Bieber ft Michael Jackson -_-
 
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Bolded the opinions. Doesn't make it fact. Whether you like it or not.

Well, you're free to believe whatever you like, but music is not entirely subjective. I've seen a very interesting and enlightening lecture about different forms of art, and it pretty much consolidated my views on the subject. You can watch the part I'm referring to here: http://youtu.be/j6F-sHhmfrY?t=36m34s

Mr. Botstein says: "There are ways we can discriminate. At the very end, much of it is subjective, but there are many areas where great human achievements do require more sophistication in the way we read, look, and listen. It can't all be naive." I completely agree with this statement, and it sums up why people are so upset about this song, I believe. Essentially, you can't suggest that a 13-year old bieber fan's opinion means just as much as that of a long-time music lover's, considering the latter knows thousands of albums, has more experience with different genres, understands the theory of music or at least is able to comprehend music very deeply. In this case, MJ fans have "more sophistication in the way they listen," and it is completely understandable that a "duet" with bieber is rather insulting to them, because in their, let's face it, more educated opinion, bieber is a poor performer.

I apologize if it went a bit off the topic.
 
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possibly the reason the estate havent made an announcement is because they are waiting till Monday? It would be unusual for an announcement to come out on a weekend wouldn't it??
 
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possibly the reason the estate havent made an announcement is because they are waiting till Monday? It would be unusual for an announcement to come out on a weekend wouldn't it??

Yes, I hadn't actually thought about it that way. If there's no announcement come monday, then I'll be really worried...
 
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wish the estate would give us more
 
Re: MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording.

I've been pondering the meaning of this statement from the Michael Jackson estate for a while so I decided to look up some official definitions of the word "unauthorized." I know what it means, obviously, but I needed some more clarification as I was trying to make sense of this:
"Not having permission of the people in authority." - The Free Dictionary
"Not having official permission" - Dictionary.com
"Not officially or legally allowed or approved of." - Macmillan
"Without someone's official permission to do something." - Cambridge
"Ordered or allow by those in authority." - Merriam Webster
Is the estate really saying they never gave permission to Justin Bieber and his associates to use the song? (Making this a legal issue?)
Or are they saying they didn't give permission for it to be released/leaked to the public? (Meaning they gave permission for the recording to take place but they don't approve of an official release).
I can't seem to make sense of this right now. Their statement was very vague. Too vague.
 
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possibly the reason the estate havent made an announcement is because they are waiting till Monday? It would be unusual for an announcement to come out on a weekend wouldn't it??
Good point, I didn't think of that. They have lives too, I suppose. :p
 
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I've been pondering the meaning of this statement from the Michael Jackson estate for a while so I decided to look up some official definitions of the word "unauthorized." I know what it means, obviously, but I needed some more clarification as I was trying to make sense of this:

Is the estate really saying they never gave permission to Justin Bieber and his associates to use the song? (Making this a legal issue?)
Or are they saying they didn't give permission for it to be released/leaked to the public? (Meaning they gave permission for the recording to take place but they don't approve of an official release).
I can't seem to make sense of this right now. Their statement was very vague. Too vague.

I hope we get more info come monday. If not then we can start screaming :p
 
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A few people are raising the 'sales don't matter' and 'charts don't matter' arguments. I think it'd be fair to say that these two things were extremely important to Michael. He'd constantly set these kinds of goals for himself and did from time to time cite them in interviews. If Walter Yetnikoff is to be believed, Michael would call him up during the Bad days and, apparently, in a whiny voice would say "my record's not number one" like a spoilt child - the kind of garbage Spike Lee saw fit to include in Bad 25.

I think the real argument is, don't sell out for chart positions. And by and large I don't think MJ ever did (ignoring Thriller 25).
 
Re: Someone's mixed STTR with Bieber / Update: Estate says it is unauthorized and song is taken down

Oh **** it. Justin Bieber is a lowlife who spits on fans and should go away along with all of his other 13y/o girl fans. How dare he work on an unreleased song and not release it. How dare he even try it.

IS THAT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR?
 
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Oh **** it. Justin Bieber is a lowlife who spits on fans and should go away along with all of his other 13y/o girl fans. How dare he work on an unreleased song and not release it. How dare he even try it.

IS THAT WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR?

THANK YOU! You're finally getting it ;)
 
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Thread cleaned . Please don't derail the thread with Cascio track discussions. Take it to the designated thread. Also stop being rude insulting and contentious with each other. You can discuss this topic without all that. Treat each other as you wish to be treated. Everyone has a right to their opinion. There is no reason to be obnoxious about it. There is no need to attack or insult each other because they don't hold "your" opinion. Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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Point is that SOMEBODY considered releasing this. I'd love to know the brilliant genius who said to themselves ''you know what two artists go well together? Michael Jackson and Justin Bieber'' cause as we all know Michael Jackson and Justin Bieber are like twins

Seriously though, who ever thought that was either high, drunk, incredibly stupid or a combination of all three
 
Re: MJ Estate Statement Re: Justin Bieber Slave To The Rhythm Recording.

Is the estate really saying they never gave permission to Justin Bieber and his associates to use the song? (Making this a legal issue?)
Or are they saying they didn't give permission for it to be released/leaked to the public? (Meaning they gave permission for the recording to take place but they don't approve of an official release).
I can't seem to make sense of this right now. Their statement was very vague. Too vague.

I agree. Hopefully we get a clarification soon.
 
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