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Re: Prince of Bahrain vs MJ Trial Thread: (UPDATE: Michael to testify next week) [threads MERGED]
To those who are saying that Michael signed a contract and therefore he has to pay up, get the issues right in the first place.
In court, it came to light that the Prince spent $6million on MJ well before that 2Seas contract was signed. So, it cannot be claimed as an advance to Royalties as by then, MJ had not signed anything. The Prince claims all that amount was a loan to be repaid via royalties.
The second part that you need to get right is this, Michael was being made to sign a contract for a non-existent company. His lawyers made it known it never got off teh ground and the judge even asked for Guy Holmes passport. Now, when a judge asks for such details, it can't be good for the plaintiff, because Guy Holmes came in to testify in favour of teh plaintiff. It became clear from Guy Holmes testimony that Michael at the time of signing, never knew that 2Seas did not exist as a company.
Therefore, you have a serious problem there, which underscores Michael's case of mistake and misrepresentation.
This is what i think the Prince hoped when he sued Michael. His advisors must have told him that MJ would not want to fight with him in court and would therefore carve in and agree to teh Prince being part of any contract Michael was to sign, that includes, having the Prince's company involved in some of MJ's future works, afterall, MJ usually settles, that would be the talk they had. And from his lawyer's comments about sick notes, they have definitely been perusing past civil cases involving MJ dto see where they could gain an advantage.
The newspaper reports about a possible settlement before the end of the case could most likely have come from one side, in the belief that if they pressured MJ, he would settle.
What the Prince and his advisors did not count on is Michael fighting this through and not wanting anything to do with the Prince any more.
The case itself is crumbling in court, apart from the way some media wants to report it. We all saw how the 2005 case was crumbling while the media was feeding the public a different story.
Michael may have signed a document, but if he finds out that the company does not exist and has no capacity to fulfil the obligations as was presented, then he has every right to pull out.
You can sign to have a company to come over and do some work for you or maybe supply TV or broadband when a salesman turns up at your door. But later, if you find out the company does not exist or does not have the capacity to supply TV or broadband in your area, you have the right to pull out.
Now if the company sues you for breach of contract, some people on this board say you go ahead and pay up. Well you don't, you defend yourself even in court.
Now if that compay was giving you gifts and other stuff to lure you then they cliam those were loans with a view to repayment when you signed up, they have to provide proof that they let you know that in advance.
Worst still, if you were to find out that at the time of signing, the company did not exist, then how much of a shock would that be?
That's why the judge asked Guy Holmes when Michael got to know that 2Seas did not exists yet as a company, and also asked for a copy of Guy Holmes passport.
So for those saying MIchael never fulfils contracts, you need to ask yourself, why is that so?
For Sony, we all know what they tried to do in 2001 till 2005. They tried to take him down. How could he fulfill the contract when the very guys he is suppossed to work for are trying to ruin him?
For Avram's case and the millenium concerts, why did the jury not award Avram $20million he was asking for and only $5million and even after that, MJ appealed and it was settled out of court? Why did Avram recently seek out a meeting with MJ and MJ declined to agree any concerts with him? The jury could see things were not clear but some had prejudiced views of Michael so they still awarded Avram something, which Michael still challenged and made clear that he had no obligation to Avram.
Is that not the same with Schaffel? He came claiming $19million. He only got given $900,000 and that was with a jury prejudiced against MJ as some jurors commented that Schaffel was entitled to less and Michael to more than $250,000. Let's not forget that Michael's lawyers had offered Schaffel $475,000 which he refused, thinking he could use the courts to scam millions out of MJ, but he ended up with less. Upto now, i have never heard how much MJ was awarded in the second part after that first part.
So, whereas in the media those suing MJ are portrayed as justified, i see these cases as wins for MJ.
For Avram, instead of $20million, he ended up with way less than $5million
For Schaffel, insted of $19million, he ended up with way less than $500,000
and for the Prince, even if he gets anything, he will end up with far less and won't be able to hold MJ's career as ransom because it will all be sealed and finalised in court. Don't forget that he refused to release MJ from that contract and that's possibly why we haven't had MJ announce any contract with any other company. The Prince won't be able to make a claim over Michael's head or sue him for anything after this, and MJ can walk away free to sign a properly reviewed contract for his future. If MJ had settled, as we've seen in past cases, some parties at times try to come back and challenge the terms of the settlement, but once a judge rules, that's that, and i believe that's what MJ's chief attorney MacMillan wants, the guy who helped Prince the singer to cut him off from unfair contracts.
To those who are saying that Michael signed a contract and therefore he has to pay up, get the issues right in the first place.
In court, it came to light that the Prince spent $6million on MJ well before that 2Seas contract was signed. So, it cannot be claimed as an advance to Royalties as by then, MJ had not signed anything. The Prince claims all that amount was a loan to be repaid via royalties.
The second part that you need to get right is this, Michael was being made to sign a contract for a non-existent company. His lawyers made it known it never got off teh ground and the judge even asked for Guy Holmes passport. Now, when a judge asks for such details, it can't be good for the plaintiff, because Guy Holmes came in to testify in favour of teh plaintiff. It became clear from Guy Holmes testimony that Michael at the time of signing, never knew that 2Seas did not exist as a company.
Therefore, you have a serious problem there, which underscores Michael's case of mistake and misrepresentation.
This is what i think the Prince hoped when he sued Michael. His advisors must have told him that MJ would not want to fight with him in court and would therefore carve in and agree to teh Prince being part of any contract Michael was to sign, that includes, having the Prince's company involved in some of MJ's future works, afterall, MJ usually settles, that would be the talk they had. And from his lawyer's comments about sick notes, they have definitely been perusing past civil cases involving MJ dto see where they could gain an advantage.
The newspaper reports about a possible settlement before the end of the case could most likely have come from one side, in the belief that if they pressured MJ, he would settle.
What the Prince and his advisors did not count on is Michael fighting this through and not wanting anything to do with the Prince any more.
The case itself is crumbling in court, apart from the way some media wants to report it. We all saw how the 2005 case was crumbling while the media was feeding the public a different story.
Michael may have signed a document, but if he finds out that the company does not exist and has no capacity to fulfil the obligations as was presented, then he has every right to pull out.
You can sign to have a company to come over and do some work for you or maybe supply TV or broadband when a salesman turns up at your door. But later, if you find out the company does not exist or does not have the capacity to supply TV or broadband in your area, you have the right to pull out.
Now if the company sues you for breach of contract, some people on this board say you go ahead and pay up. Well you don't, you defend yourself even in court.
Now if that compay was giving you gifts and other stuff to lure you then they cliam those were loans with a view to repayment when you signed up, they have to provide proof that they let you know that in advance.
Worst still, if you were to find out that at the time of signing, the company did not exist, then how much of a shock would that be?
That's why the judge asked Guy Holmes when Michael got to know that 2Seas did not exists yet as a company, and also asked for a copy of Guy Holmes passport.
So for those saying MIchael never fulfils contracts, you need to ask yourself, why is that so?
For Sony, we all know what they tried to do in 2001 till 2005. They tried to take him down. How could he fulfill the contract when the very guys he is suppossed to work for are trying to ruin him?
For Avram's case and the millenium concerts, why did the jury not award Avram $20million he was asking for and only $5million and even after that, MJ appealed and it was settled out of court? Why did Avram recently seek out a meeting with MJ and MJ declined to agree any concerts with him? The jury could see things were not clear but some had prejudiced views of Michael so they still awarded Avram something, which Michael still challenged and made clear that he had no obligation to Avram.
Is that not the same with Schaffel? He came claiming $19million. He only got given $900,000 and that was with a jury prejudiced against MJ as some jurors commented that Schaffel was entitled to less and Michael to more than $250,000. Let's not forget that Michael's lawyers had offered Schaffel $475,000 which he refused, thinking he could use the courts to scam millions out of MJ, but he ended up with less. Upto now, i have never heard how much MJ was awarded in the second part after that first part.
So, whereas in the media those suing MJ are portrayed as justified, i see these cases as wins for MJ.
For Avram, instead of $20million, he ended up with way less than $5million
For Schaffel, insted of $19million, he ended up with way less than $500,000
and for the Prince, even if he gets anything, he will end up with far less and won't be able to hold MJ's career as ransom because it will all be sealed and finalised in court. Don't forget that he refused to release MJ from that contract and that's possibly why we haven't had MJ announce any contract with any other company. The Prince won't be able to make a claim over Michael's head or sue him for anything after this, and MJ can walk away free to sign a properly reviewed contract for his future. If MJ had settled, as we've seen in past cases, some parties at times try to come back and challenge the terms of the settlement, but once a judge rules, that's that, and i believe that's what MJ's chief attorney MacMillan wants, the guy who helped Prince the singer to cut him off from unfair contracts.
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