"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

This site is obviously biased towards MJ but I would say that Michael probably shades it in terms of being most well known, especially globally and in poor countries.

The Beatles are far more respected and critically acclaimed though.

MJ was the most controversial artist the world has ever known, the amount of scandal, crazy stories and allegations etc.

His life was quite frankly a circus. Unfortunately his reputation has suffered as a result.
If by "Acclaimed" you mean the mainstream media treatment of them and nothing else, then sure. But there's no evidence to suggest the Beatles are even more revered than Queen let alone Michael who is universally considered the greatest artist of all time
 
The biopic will be a turning point for MJ fans and others and the general public and the series of biopics.
It will make a billion or two at the box office, and spike sales to the level of the first couple years after his death. I'm sure vultures will release another hit piece on him afterwards and we'll go back to the same old shit. He can't be cancelled, nor is it even possible for him to be anymore popular than being Michael Jackson
 
It will make a billion or two at the box office, and spike sales to the level of the first couple years after his death. I'm sure vultures will release another hit piece on him afterwards and we'll go back to the same old shit. He can't be cancelled, nor is it even possible for him to be anymore popular than being Michael Jackson
Vultures releasing another hit piece called Leaving Neverland 2?
 
Vultures releasing another hit piece called Leaving Neverland 2?
Technically Robson and Safechuck are the final straw, in a ideal world the whole thing dies when they get fucked in court which happens before the Biopic and we can finally let the whole thing burn while Michael goes back to 2009-18 all over again. But i have no faith that something else isn't conjured up or the thing doesn't get dragged out for far too long
 
Technically Robson and Safechuck are the final straw, in a ideal world the whole thing dies when they get fucked in court which happens before the Biopic and we can finally let the whole thing burn while Michael goes back to 2009-18 all over again. But i have no faith that something else isn't conjured up or the thing doesn't get dragged out for far too long
Let's finish the fuckery once and for all!!!!
 
It will make a billion or two at the box office, and spike sales to the level of the first couple years after his death. I'm sure vultures will release another hit piece on him afterwards and we'll go back to the same old shit. He can't be cancelled, nor is it even possible for him to be anymore popular than being Michael Jackson
A billion or two at the box office?

If this film makes 500 million it will be considered a massive success, no way on earth does this make 1 billion and beyond.
 
A billion or two at the box office?

If this film makes 500 million it will be considered a massive success, no way on earth does this make 1 billion and beyond.
Queen did 900 million, and Michael is about 1000x more popular and famous than them. So yeah it would be stupid to expect anything less
 
Queen did 900 million, and Michael is about 1000x more popular and famous than them. So yeah it would be stupid to expect anything less
Jesus Christ is more famous than both of them and for many centuries before any members of the Jackson 5 or Queen existed. But a Jesus movie isn't going to make a billion either. But I'd guess all of the Christian churches in the world added together probably make billions.
 
Jesus Christ is more famous than both of them and for many centuries before any members of the Jackson 5 or Queen existed. But a Jesus movie isn't going to make a billion either. But I'd guess all of the Christian churches in the world added together probably make billions.
That's highly unlikely as Missionary groups were complaining just a few years ago that so few people knew who Jesus was compared to something like Coca Cola.
Many Christians are surprised when they hear that there are communities where no one has preached nor heard about Jesus. In Nigeria, there are over 83 people groups that are designated as unreached with a population of over 64 million (Joshua Project survey). It is surprising to note that even among the unreached, short thick bottles of Coca-Cola are found in their midst. This observation calls for sober reflection and it is a challenge to global Christians. The total unreached population is 3.3 Billion, approximately 42% of the world has never heard of Jesus
It will do at minimum 500 million, anything else depends on whether the estate fucks it up or not.
 
That was a one off and at a time when biopics had not saturated the film industry.

Elvis did 288 million at the box office and Whitney only 59 million last year.

I think you'll find that Queen is more popular than MJ these days. Spotify alone should tell you that.

I'm not saying 1 billion is impossible but biopics rarely do massive numbers , hence why I think 500 million would be considered a huge success.

All depends on promotion, hype , reviews. If Jaafar sucks the entire movie will flop.


Queen did 900 million, and Michael is about 1000x more popular and famous than them. So yeah it would be stupid to expect anything less
 
That's highly unlikely as Missionary groups were complaining just a few years ago that so few people knew who Jesus was compared to something like Coca Cola.
If there are around 8 billion people on earth and 3.3 billion have not heard of Jesus, then that means that there are 4,700,000,000 who have. How is that "so few people"? Anyway I said that Jesus is more famous than Queen & Michael Jackson not Coke. I'd guess Coke is more well known than Mike & Queen too. So what's your point?

Popularity is not neccessarily an indicator of anything. Superman is and has always been more well known than Black Panther. Yet the Black Panther movie made over a billion at the box office and no Superman movie has. Even Black Panther 2 made more than any Superman movie and it doesn't have Chadwick Boseman in it. So a Shuri movie made more than the Superman & Wonder Woman movies. Elvis Presley is more well known than N.W.A. (rap group), but their biopic Straight Outta Compton made more than the recent Elvis movie.

If the name Michael Jackson is an automatic seller, then Invincible would have sold more than the Eminem & Nelly albums that came out around the same time. It didn't. Tupac albums that came out after he passed sold more than the 2 Mike ones that came out after his passing.
 
If there are around 8 billion people on earth and 3.3 billion have not heard of Jesus, then that means that there are 4,700,000,000 who have. How is that "so few people"? Anyway I said that Jesus is more famous than Queen & Michael Jackson not Coke. I'd guess Coke is more well known than Mike & Queen too. So what's your point?

Popularity is not neccessarily an indicator of anything. Superman is and has always been more well known than Black Panther. Yet the Black Panther movie made over a billion at the box office and no Superman movie has. Even Black Panther 2 made more than any Superman movie and it doesn't have Chadwick Boseman in it. So a Shuri movie made more than the Superman & Wonder Woman movies. Elvis Presley is more well known than N.W.A. (rap group), but their biopic Straight Outta Compton made more than the recent Elvis movie.

If the name Michael Jackson is an automatic seller, then Invincible would have sold more than the Eminem & Nelly albums that came out around the same time. It didn't. Tupac albums that came out after he passed sold more than the 2 Mike ones that came out after his passing.
Invincible sold 5.4 Million in 2 1/2 months without any promotion from Sony. How is that not a huge fucking hit?
 
Brilliantly put @DuranDuran! It’s pure fantasy to claim the biopic will make 1$ Billion. Let’s stay realistic to not be let down. The movie industry is evidently not in the best place right now, with streaming and such. Thankfully, the Barbenheimer phenomenon somewhat revived movie-going and the whole cinema experience for people, but the truth is that apart from Marvel films, which in my opinion are so overdone at this point and have become boring, people don’t go to the cinema like they used to. Thus, expecting such huge numbers for a biopic, which is a type of movie which very rarely creates a lot of excitement anyway, is too much, in my opinion.
 
So many fans still can’t accept invincible was a very costly flop. It literally ended Michael’s recording career. Even greatest hits albums number ones and essential initially flopped
 
So many fans still can’t accept invincible was a very costly flop. It literally ended Michael’s recording career. Even greatest hits albums number ones and essential initially flopped
Almost like not promoting someone's album and cutting funding for the marketing will cause it to under perform.
 
Anyway the box office is a great measure but I have always felt the number of admission tickets sold was more interesting.
Gone With The Wind has that record (Ithink). I don’t think many people under 50 have seen it.
 
It's not just about promoting the album, it's about the quality and how in demand the singer is - by 2001 MJ was seen as a bit of a joke figure.
Almost like not promoting someone's album and cutting funding for the marketing will cause it to under perform.
 
Invincible sold 5.4 Million in 2 1/2 months without any promotion from Sony. How is that not a huge fucking hit?
I didn't say it wasn't a hit. I said it didn't sell more than Eminem & Nelly. You said that Mike's movie will be more successful than Queen's, when stuff he released while alive could not outsell other albums out at the same time. The Beatles hits compilation 1 is one of the biggest selling albums released in the 2000s and sold more than Invincible (and HIStory too). 1 also sold just a little less than Dangerous. 1 had no new material or unreleased songs on it, it is all previously released songs.
 
I didn't say it wasn't a hit. I said it didn't sell more than Eminem & Nelly. You said that Mike's movie will be more successful than Queen's, when stuff he released while alive could not outsell other albums out at the same time. The Beatles hits compilation 1 is one of the biggest selling albums released in the 2000s and sold more than Invincible (and HIStory too). 1 also sold just a little less than Dangerous. 1 had no new material or unreleased songs on it, it is all previously released songs.
Thriller was legitimately too good, and people simply just bought Thriller over and over again instead of his new material. It was unironically his curse
 
Thriller was legitimately too good, and people simply just bought Thriller over and over again instead of his new material. It was unironically his curse
A lot of artists have an album that continue to sell more than their others like Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon. The Beatles records still sell more (and get more Youtube views) than any of Paul & Ringo's new albums. Pretty much all artists eventually fade away from mainstream popularity. Some like U2 & The Rolling Stones are still popular with touring, but they long stopped getting Top 40 radio airplay for new songs. Younger people don't want to hear an 80 year old man (Mick Jagger) next to Drake & Megan Thee Stallion.
 
Thriller was legitimately too good, and people simply just bought Thriller over and over again instead of his new material. It was unironically his curse
RIAA has certified MJ’s records from 2012-2022, which was equal to 83.85M more sales. He has 10 million sales in Brazil that aren't certified and people went to Sony directly and asked about it, and they said they won't do it. Legitmately all his figures are outdated from the 90s and early 00s.
 
MJ is the biggest solo talent, The Beatles are the biggest Group of all time. I thought we had been hashed this out already; they don't even relate.

MJ definitely gets more streams though: Probably more Beatles fans buy physical media.
 
MJ is the biggest solo talent, The Beatles are the biggest Group of all time. I thought we had been hashed this out already; they don't even relate.

MJ definitely gets more streams though: Probably more Beatles fans buy physical media.
When you add up all of the figures from Chartmasters, MJ has sold 462,000,000 & The Beatles have sold 534,000,000. However MJ is behind in terms of certifications by 100 million (low-ball figure), which Sony is aware of and has denied to request a certification. Which puts his actual total up to 562,000,000, making him the best selling artist worldwide, this figure rises to 600+ million with Jackson 5
 
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When you add up all of the figures from Chartmasters, MJ has sold 462,000,000 & The Beatles have sold 534,000,000. However MJ is behind in terms of certifications by 50 million, which Sony is aware of and has denied to request a certification. Which puts his actual total up to 512,000,000 as a solo artist, with 600 million if you include Jackson 5 which sold based on his likeness alone.
Yes, it is close by now. I can imagine them surpassing him, explicitly in the digital age.
 
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