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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

filmandmusic said:
Michael has a long way to go then before he reaches that level of fame
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Mike's famous, it's not like he's forgotten. The Beatles have sold more records than anyone else though. The difference is that The Beatles are still mostly famous for their music, Mike is partly famous for all of the negative media coverage. The Beatles as a group have few scandals, mainly forgotten things (today) like Lennon's old Jesus comment. The Beatles also still get a lot of writeup in music mags like Rolling Stone & Spin. Things like for best band or best album. Over the decades there's probably been a thousand different books about The Beatles too, group & individual ones and also about other people around them. There's even books about Brian Espstein's secretary, George Harrison's sister, & the fans who hung outside of Abbey Road who were called "Apple Scruffs".

A lot of artists in many genres have covered Beatles songs. So that is another way their music stays alive, in a way that even people who don't really know the original versions have heard them. Yesterday is one of the most remade songs in recorded history. Mike/The Jacksons have had relatively few covers of their songs. Probably the Jackson 5 has more remakes (the songs original to them) of their material. When people remake most songs, they just perform them as a song. But in the Alien Ant Farm version of Smooth Criminal, the video is full of Mike imagery, and the song copies Mike's vocal trademarks. Letting the audience know that it a Michael Jackson song.

Someone like Prince didn't have as much presence with today's audience until he passed. When he was alive, he kept his music off of the internet. Don Henley still does something similar to this today, giving copyright hits to people making reaction videos to his solo or Eagles music. Henley doesn't remove the official uploads though like Prince did. Prince finally made a deal with Jay-Z to put his records on Tidal. Other than that, he'd threatened to sue people (through Web Sheriff or his lawyers) who uploaded his music on Youtube/Facebook, and even had things uploaded by Warner Brothers removed. The only videos Prince allowed on Youtube was Cream which was uploaded by the director of it and a few of his then newer songs he put up himself. Mostly 3rdeyegirl stuff. Prince couldn't do anything about the George Harrison tribute video though. He had fansites remove his pictures and even recorded a song about fans complaining about this called PFUnk, specifically about the long gone site Princefams. Prince also wouldn't let his old protege groups use their names The Time (Original 7ven) & The Family (FDeluxe) when they released new albums.
 
Yeah the beatles are on a completely different level when it comes to influence. But that too will pass someday
 
Sophia2023 said:
Every university and college will be offering new Michael Jackson courses after the biopic’s success.
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I read such things are done these days. I almost cannot believe it. What are they talking about in a Taylor Swift course? Do they need to pass exams? How is it important? 🤯

PS this is not dissing taylor swift (i have to point that out before someone gets offended again) but it is pop music…. Not english literature
 
filmandmusic said:
I read such things are done these days. I almost cannot believe it. What are they talking about in a Taylor Swift course? Do they need to pass exams? How is it important? 🤯

PS this is not dissing taylor swift (i have to point that out before someone gets offended again) but it is pop music…. Not english literature
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These will be similar to these courses, but a different artist.
 
filmandmusic said:
Yeah the beatles are on a completely different level when it comes to influence. But that too will pass someday
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Not counting the J5/Jacksons, The Beatles have a lot more material than Mike. The majority of the records Mike was on (the 1970s) tend to be ignored by radio & the general public. Other than the J5 medley he always did, Mike ignored it too. There's also the case that child & teen groups/singers in general aren't given the same importance in music media as an adult rock band. The Jacksons as a group haven't released anything since 1989. Tito released a couple of blues albums in recent years. If nobody has really been promoting the group music that much all this time (including the brothers themselves), it's no wonder that it's not as well known.
 
Sophia2023 said:
Every university and college will be offering new Michael Jackson courses after the biopic’s success.
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That's a good idea! I think the breadth of his interests and legacy is enough for a university😄😄😄 There are so many things associated with Michael. If you fantasize, there are faculties such as music, choreography, art, sociology, psychology, history, literature, fashion and even medicine.
That's a good idea. I think the breadth of his interests and legacy is enough for a university.)))) There are so many things associated with Michael. If you fantasize, you can assume such faculties: musical, choreographic, artistic, sociological, psychological, pedagogical, historical, literary, fashion industry and even medical.
I have come across information that Michael's name is often mentioned in scientific studies and articles. One of these is an article about the study of antigravity tilt.
 
Sophia2023 said:
Every university and college will be offering new Michael Jackson courses after the biopic’s success.
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filmandmusic said:
I read such things are done these days. I almost cannot believe it. What are they talking about in a Taylor Swift course? Do they need to pass exams? How is it important? 🤯

PS this is not dissing taylor swift (i have to point that out before someone gets offended again) but it is pop music…. Not english literature
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There are several TS courses being taught already. A couple in America - can't remember which ones off the top of my head - and an Australian uni is currently organising a symposium to happen early next year to coincide with her Australian Eras gigs.

swiftposium2024.com

Swiftposium 2024: An academic conference on Taylor Swift

swiftposium2024.com swiftposium2024.com

Michael gets taught in America but I'm not sure if it's just at community college level. There have been quite a few PhD and Masters' theses written about aspects of Michael's career. I've posted stuff about this but can't remember which threads.
 
hope said:
That's a good idea! I think the breadth of his interests and legacy is enough for a university😄😄😄 There are so many things associated with Michael. If you fantasize, there are faculties such as music, choreography, art, sociology, psychology, history, literature, fashion and even medicine.
That's a good idea. I think the breadth of his interests and legacy is enough for a university.)))) There are so many things associated with Michael. If you fantasize, you can assume such faculties: musical, choreographic, artistic, sociological, psychological, pedagogical, historical, literary, fashion industry and even medical.
I have come across information that Michael's name is often mentioned in scientific studies and articles. One of these is an article about the study of antigravity tilt.
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There's some interesting stuff on this thread. I've posted stuff on here, it's not all about Thriller the short film.

Themes and cultural appeals of Michael Jackson's THRILLER video

An in depth analysis of the Thriller short film
www.mjjcommunity.com www.mjjcommunity.com
 
DuranDuran said:
Not counting the J5/Jacksons, The Beatles have a lot more material than Mike. The majority of the records Mike was on (the 1970s) tend to be ignored by radio & the general public. Other than the J5 medley he always did, Mike ignored it too. There's also the case that child & teen groups/singers in general aren't given the same importance in music media as an adult rock band. The Jacksons as a group haven't released anything since 1989. Tito released a couple of blues albums in recent years. If nobody has really been promoting the group music that much all this time (including the brothers themselves), it's no wonder that it's not as well known.
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What I find most mind blowing is that The Beatles did all that in 8 years.... That's it 😲

Such legends
 
zinniabooklover said:
There are several TS courses being taught already. A couple in America - can't remember which ones off the top of my head - and an Australian uni is currently organising a symposium to happen early next year to coincide with her Australian Eras gigs.

swiftposium2024.com

Swiftposium 2024: An academic conference on Taylor Swift

swiftposium2024.com swiftposium2024.com

Michael gets taught in America but I'm not sure if it's just at community college level. There have been quite a few PhD and Masters' theses written about aspects of Michael's career. I've posted stuff about this but can't remember which threads.
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I hope community colleges will be having brand new Michael Jackson courses!!!
 
Sophia2023 said:
I hope community colleges will be having brand new Michael Jackson courses!!!
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There used to be a blog called allforloveblog.com. It was done by an MJ fan called Raven (Linda Raven-Woods) who got into Michael big time after he died. She's a trained journalist and works in a college in America and every year she teaches a class on BOW. I don't know if she teaches any other MJ stuff but she did that class every year, even in the wake of LN as far as I could tell. When I found the blog a few years ago it was mostly inactive but was still online. Sadly, now you can't access it at all. It's a shame bc Raven is an excellent writer and has lots of interesting stuff to say.

I've come across random mentions of other people teaching MJ stuff in American colleges but I can't remember any of it. I was pleased to see it but I didn't make a note of any of it. That MJJC thread I posted upthread, that has some PhD and Master's theses listed.
 
zinniabooklover said:
There used to be a blog called allforloveblog.com. It was done by an MJ fan called Raven (Linda Raven-Woods) who got into Michael big time after he died. She's a trained journalist and works in a college in America and every year she teaches a class on BOW. I don't know if she teaches any other MJ stuff but she did that class every year, even in the wake of LN as far as I could tell. When I found the blog a few years ago it was mostly inactive but was still online. Sadly, now you can't access it at all. It's a shame bc Raven is an excellent writer and has lots of interesting stuff to say.

I've come across random mentions of other people teaching MJ stuff in American colleges but I can't remember any of it. I was pleased to see it but I didn't make a note of any of it. That MJJC thread I posted upthread, that has some PhD and Master's theses listed.
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It can change the world of not only academia, but worlds of everything else.
 
Annita said:
MICHAEL - Coming soon
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Neverland is being restored for the biopic! #MJBiopic #MichaelJackson #MJ #Biopic #Movie
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As expected 😊 it has to be as authentic as possible to make an impact. Neverland is such a beautiful place that MJ loved until it was raided - it deserves to be restored.

Typical though, I opened up that link and the first comment (from a Prince fan) says something like I wonder if 12 year old boys are included too.

That's the shit that continues to tarnish MJ's reputation 😞. I know some don't think it's a big deal all these names but it really is to me.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
What I find most mind blowing is that The Beatles did all that in 8 years.... That's it 😲

Such legends
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Well, during that time the labels generally required their acts to record a lot of material. Albums were released much more often. It was also common for labels to release singles of songs that were not on an album. It wasn't until the mid 1970s when what was called the blockbuster album really started. When the major labels started to milk an album for a longer period of time. If Thriller had came out in the 1960s, it wouldn't have had 7 singles released from it for 2 years. It would have came & gone like most records did.
 
I am a gamer! I remember moonwalk arcade which if Sega made a remake as some have said like the amount that Sonic superstars have been lavished on this would be incredible and yes give us a new Lets sing Michael Jackson and maybe a new VR/flat screen game along the way of the experience.
Yes we should definitely have Michael skins and music in fortnite!
 
xscape guy 2003 said:
I am a gamer! I remember moonwalk arcade which if Sega made a remake as some have said like the amount that Sonic superstars have been lavished on this would be incredible and yes give us a new Lets sing Michael Jackson and maybe a new VR/flat screen game along the way of the experience.
Yes we should definitely have Michael skins and music in fortnite!
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Also Fortnite should be coming back to iOS and Android too!!! When I play Fortnite, I hope Michael skins will be playing each other in a battle. He’ll have the most number of skins in the Icon Series. There’ll be a posthumous virtual concert as well.
 
IhateTheMedia said:
Michael is significantly more famous than the Beatles and it's really not even close
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Thank you. The beatles are propped up by the media. They are forced onto the public and forced into the culture. There is no massive demand for their brand.

On the opposite side, there is a massive demand for Michael, but the media and hollywood are so against him they would rather slander him then take advantage of the demand which could generate millions.
 
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kelley said:
Thank you. The beatles are propped up by the media. They are forced onto the public and forced into the culture. There is no massive demand for their brand.
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Doesn't seem that way to me.

inews.co.uk

'No one is as invested in The Beatles as I am': How Gen Z revived Beatlemania

Modern fans have taken up the mantle of the 60s devotees and have found a home on TikTok and Twitter – they might not scream and invade studios but their love for the Fab Four is just as heartfelt
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk
 
zinniabooklover said:
Doesn't seem that way to me.

inews.co.uk

'No one is as invested in The Beatles as I am': How Gen Z revived Beatlemania

Modern fans have taken up the mantle of the 60s devotees and have found a home on TikTok and Twitter – they might not scream and invade studios but their love for the Fab Four is just as heartfelt
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk
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This doesn't strike me as "relevant"
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This site is obviously biased towards MJ but I would say that Michael probably shades it in terms of being most well known, especially globally and in poor countries.

The Beatles are far more respected and critically acclaimed though.

MJ was the most controversial artist the world has ever known, the amount of scandal, crazy stories and allegations etc.

His life was quite frankly a circus. Unfortunately his reputation has suffered as a result.
 
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