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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Lily said:
^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)
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Yep!!!! Through the years I have read about this. There have been many authors to publically speak about it too but to me, it really all goes back to the bible?
 
Just looking at the recent pics of Michael with Christian. Did anyone notice the picture from the fan who posted what Michael's t-shirt underneath could look like? I think its on page 5, it shows a black short sleeved t-shirt designed by ed hardy (i think) with a single large Red Rose in full bloom on one side and a Tiger on the opposite side.

But another fan later pointed out how they felt Michael's shirt underneath could be another design because from the photo's it look as though he has long sleeves, as opposed to short.

Why is this worthy of a mention? If it is the correct t-shirt design, it could reveal something we have already examined in this thread? The fact that Michael continues to be drawn to things that have current meaning to him.

Glad to see that beautiful smile back on his face.
 
Moddie777 said:
Yep!!!! Through the years I have read about this. There have been many authors to publically speak about it too but to me, it really all goes back to the bible?
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Yep, yep. And one thing is for sure, MJ is making it clear that the person he is singing about now is not the same person he is singing about in "Don't Walk Away."

The person he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was bringing him to tears with her indecisiveness. Trying to love her was agonizing for him. True love doesn't cause you to feel agony. True love is fulfilling. Actually, in "Don't Walk Away" there is verse where MJ asked if they could find some love to make his pain go away. He should not have had to ask a question like that?

The songs he's now choosing to sing have a calmer tone to them. He is sweetly expressing his feelings for the new person that has come into his life. He's letting her know he loves her and he's telling her he needs her but notice that he's not acting like he has to put a lot of energying into expressing how he feels and he's not acting like loving her is a chore.

Like with "Fall Again" that he released in '04, he was telling her what he wanted. Then after that it was like he just went into a free-fall with her. I guess he knew she would catch him. He's been steadily singing about being in love all the way up to right now.

Shortly after he went through that '93 madness, he released "Stranger In Moscow" and he talked about feeling alone and cold inside, right? Everything that he recently went through was branching off of that stuff that started back then. Look at how he was relying on this new woman to be at his side in order for him to deal with the new storm that was merging with the old one.

"One More Chance"
Shelter. Come and rescue me out of this storm. To get out of this cold I need some warmth.

With "One More Chance" he was saying he already knew he was going to be okay with her. Look at what he's saying after making it through the cold. He's saying how he got through it in "Hold My Hand."

"Hold My Hand"
When it gets dark and when it gets cold, we hold each other 'til we see the sunlight.

Look at the way he mentions dark in "Hold My Hand" and how he dealt with it as well as the cold?

Remember, he was wandering in the rain in "Stranger In Moscow." In "The Way You Love Me" that he also released in 2004 at the same time as "Fall Again," he said she took away the rain. In "For All Time" that he released in '08 he mentions the rain again. He mentions the rain washing away and notice that he even points out that these days are now quiet..which they are. After a storm is done passing through it is always quiet.

So, now he's dealt with the dark, cold and rain and there was a woman with him the whole time. He's describing how it's being dealt with over a five year period.

This woman he's singing about now cannot be the one he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" because the woman in "Don't Walk Away" was indecisive. The new one obviously isn't, or MJ would not have been able to rely on her. We know this because of the way that MJ said her love was ever-present. Just by him saying her love was ever-present shows he did not have to wonder about it. He knew it was there. We should also be able to tell from what he said about her love in "You Are So Beautiful" which is the love song that he wrote during the trial itself. In this song he said, "Your true love showed me the way...the way I had to go."

Remember what he said in "Don't Walk Away" in addition to asking if they could find some love? He said, "See, now why all my dreams been broken. I don't know where we're going."

See, the one in "Don't Walk Away" made him feel lost. The one he's singing about in "You Are So Beautiful" did not.

Just imagine. If the person that he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was still around while he was going through all that court stuff of '03-'05, she would have added more pain on top of the pain he was already going through. She would have made it impossible for him to cope. Thank God they went their separate ways before all that stuff hit him.

Also, if MJ was not the type of man that truly adores women, he would not have become so strongly attached to the new one that has come into his life, and he also would not have been crying about the one that kept walking away.
 
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While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out.
 
AFMJ! you've given me some good examples of what I was trying to say, thank you.

the person he is singing about now is not the same person he is singing about in "Don't Walk Away." The person he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" was bringing him to tears with her indecisiveness. Trying to love her was agonizing for him. True love doesn't cause you to feel agony. True love is fulfilling. Actually, in "Don't Walk Away" there is verse where MJ asked if they could find some love to make his pain go away. He should not have had to ask a question like that?

The songs he's now choosing to sing have a calmer tone to them. He is sweetly expressing his feelings for the new person that has come into his life. He's letting her know he loves her and he's telling her he needs her but notice that he's not acting like he has to put a lot of energying into expressing how he feels and he's not acting like loving her is a chore.

Like with "Fall Again" that he released in '04, he was telling her what he wanted. Then after that it was like he just went into a free-fall with her. I guess he knew she would catch him. He's been steadily singing about being in love all the way up to right now.

Shortly after he went through that '93 madness, he released "Stranger In Moscow" and he talked about feeling alone and cold inside, right? Everything that he recently went through was branching off of that stuff that started back then. Look at how he was relying on this new woman to be at his side in order for him to deal with the new storm that was merging with the old one. "One More Chance"
Shelter. Come and rescue me out of this storm. To get out of this cold I need some warmth.

With "One More Chance" he was saying he already knew he was going to be okay with her. Look at what he's saying after making it through the cold. He's saying how he got through it in "Hold My Hand."
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The song title, One More Chance, alone, suggests that it is a person with whom he wants one MORE chance at love with. In it he refers to "her" many times and the past. "if you see "her", tell "her" this for me. The sincerity in his tone of voice suggests a previous something when he says, "ALL I need is .... one more chance at love" and repeats the two words "ONE MORE' all by themselves so many times and even shouts, "tell "her" its all on me" showing there's an "it" that he's referring to from the past, so this is a perfect example.

Remember, he was wandering in the rain in "Stranger In Moscow." In "The Way You Love Me" that he also released in 2004 at the same time as "Fall Again," he said she took away the rain. In "For All Time" that he released in '08 he mentions the rain again. He mentions the rain washing away and notice that he even points out that these days are now quiet..which they are. After a storm is done passing through it is always quiet.
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because of the fact that in SIM he's walking in the rain and by For All Time the rain is washing away all the pain, could indicate that he got his answer to, "can we find some love to take this away"? That word- "we". So, if his questions from Don't Walk Away and One More Chance were answered (remember in OMC he'd asked for that when he said, "help me make these mysteries unfold"), could it have been that she maybe FINALLY (after all the not being able to "get through" to her) answered some of his questions offering him a refreshment and a relief, eg., "the rain may wash away" and "all these words that young lovers say" may even indicate a reference to them as young lovers or the young lovers that woulda, coulda been, in other words, it has a tone of nostagia imho. And yet "z" would be the fact that it could be as you mentioned because who knows?

This woman he's singing about now cannot be the one he's singing about in "Don't Walk Away" because the woman in "Don't Walk Away" was indecisive. The new one obviously isn't, or MJ would not have been able to rely on her. We know this because of the way that MJ said her love was ever-present. Just by him saying her love was ever-present shows he did not have to wonder about it. He knew it was there.
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While I'm still not sure I concur with fan/girlfriend mixed messages because I feel he has such a uniquely special place for his fans, I'll use it as an example because it fits the entire point of the part I quoted. Does "ever-present" not mean the same as never-leaving? Just as when he told AH he "never left" meaning that he's always been here just as he said he would in Unbreakable, "I'm still gonna be here". True he "left the scene" but it doesn't mean he left. He evidently didn't have to wonder about it as you say, but again, could it not have been because he got his questions answered from Don't Walk Away eg., how am I to understand, (she helped him understand some things?) can we find some love to take this away, (they found enough love to take that horrible pain away etc. etc. etc.) how can I stop losing you, how can I begin again, how can I begin to stay. Could it be that she may have helped some mysteries unfold? Why not right? If so, okay and yet it still doesn't make a complete "xyz" because it could again, be as you mentioned.

Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago.
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It seems plausable, however who knows if "z" is not what AFMJ suggested could be the case it be woman #3 or 4 which is my mathmatical summation for now, if the visuals he's offerred is any clue. Who knows - it may not be a clue or intentional on MJ's part at all but I can't see ignoring it as a possible jigsaw piece.

On another note, the songs that were mentioned in an earlier post about Smooth Criminal and the adlib at the end of Heaven Can Wait are of intrigue as well. Noone ever seems to want to "go there" or maybe I've missed it other than waaaay ealier on because I'm actually more of a scanner of the thread than a reader per se. If anyone can send me a link that'd be great.
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oh well again and still I say, jigsaw puzzles ....:doh:

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The love story continues as the mysteries unfold ... :yes:
 
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mjroxworld said:
While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out.
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:flowers: especially @ that last line :giggle:
 
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Ape said:
I know exactly what you are talking about. You think you understand something, then something happens to make you question what you just thought you had figured out..lol. It's also like having something on the tip of your tongue but not being able to get it out.

Something I was thinking, if I apply my own life experiences where some things from my past will start to come into play for my future..um.. hmm...actually if you look at the bible, how things in the start of a story seem to be leading no where or you just aren't sure what will happen or why something happened, then in the end, we see why they happened how they did, and that parts of the past have more meaning when we see the whole picture from beginning to end. Well let's just go with the theory of a woman coming to him from God.. not like hand delivered out of the sky or anything but, like God had picked her and him out for each other. Match made in heaven and whatever other mushy gushy romantic notions you could use. If God had a plan for the two of them, or just a plan...hints about this might come up before it even comes into existence, before it's a reality for the two of them. Like it is written on their heart from the time they are born or whatever, and parts of it come out of them in their creativity or what not. Then all these songs could be about various women. Michael could have meant them for the woman in his life at these particular instances. The love that comes out of himself for them is still uniquely expressed through him in his own way. That love would be the same love expressed sincerely and deeply in his special way because he is the same person. Maybe that's why it feels like sometimes it is for the same person. He has been the constant throughout all these songs regardless of the woman they were directed towards. If then finally that one woman God had in mind for him came into his life, the love that he has inside himself (though he could still have love for the ones from the past as well.. you still care) could be directed towards the new love (who maybe is really an old love if from the start if it was planned by God). Then the love songs expressing his love and feelings may fit in a more perfect way this new true love. Maybe not all will fit because maybe she wouldn't leave, or because some things will be different, but the love is still his love expressed. Just that this time it would have a happy ending (hopefully)...or no ending but a happy forever.

Does that make sense? Should I go write for Disney? They need more romance/animation films.
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This made a lot of sense to me too :yes: Unique and deep point of view and similiar to what rox is saying.
 
You're welcome Moddie :)... :flowers:
I like seeing what all of you guys type, its all good!!btw SOS, you put some good thoughts in!!:)
 
Love has many phases, especially when you have been with the same partner over a time.
You go through many ups and downs and even stale phases in a marriage, relationship or committment. There's also: one partner being anry or resenting the other for something they view as a shortcoming on the others behalf.
I have been with the same man for a very, very longtime and we have gone through many of things together. We have seen eachother at our very best and our very worst. I have witnessed him broken, down and out and later uplifted, encouraged and on top. I have felt anger, resentment and hurt against him before as well as, desperate love, undying and unselfish love for him.
I first laid eyes on him while in my teens, he was already grown but I knew he would be mine someday, I just had that feeling deep inside but we didn't get together until later.
When you weather the storm together through both good and bad, love grows and enriches the lives of those whom it touches. The bond between the two become unbreakable.
There's a deep spiritual connection when you have gone through the "ugly" stuff over long periods of time with a person and still can look at them with true love and devotion in your eyes and still feel it in your soul.
Michael sings of this kind of love, he sings about a love that has been through the storm on more than one occasion. He sings about the pain, agony, despair, lust, love, agony and commitment he has for this woman.
There are many layers and chapters he is revealing to us about this relationship. He may have revealed the lows with, "Don't walk away".
"Don't walk away" links a recent statement with just one line. Again, he incorporates something in the future to the past, indicating there is a possible link.
We should have some fun and really exciting times in this thread when his new stuff comes out.
Whether this is someone new or a blast from his past; he is smiling again. I thank God and her for that!
 
mjroxworld said:
While it is obvious that not ALL of his love songs are about the same person, there is a common thread/common person with a very large number of them. And when he is singing about various other different loves, it is because the love of his life has gone again for whatever reason, leading separate lives. We know she wasn't there during the mid to late 90's, because he was married to other people. But she was no doubt on his mind. And she was no doubt angry. Angry about all his crushes, all his girlfriends, his wives, etc. During our current decade, she IS in his life again. But he had to take time in getting her back and making a convincing plea. She'd been living her own life (in One More Chance he is looking everywhere for her); now, here comes Michael crawling back and begging for her. And she's resistant. She doesn't know what to do about it. She loves him, but going back to him might mean a completely different life than what she has gotten used to. But later it is evident they are together, particularly through the new remixes and releases on T25.

Why should Michael even have to speak? All the wonderfully smart people on this thread are figuring it out.
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Didn't see this before I posted, wow. This is on the lines of what I've been thinking.

Yep! You can tell she was on his mind even when he married. Fate would not allow him to get this woman out of his system.
 
^^ yeah thats what ive been thinking too. Aww thats so sweet of him :wub:
 
Lily said:
^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)
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i do not believe in fate. i think we could do our best for love .

and i do think Michael is real.
though love is love ,but so many real things.
 
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With Michael being a man that strongly believes in God, and with him being someone that was searching for a woman who's love is divine, as he said in "Someone Put Your Hand Out," then he was expecting God to place in his life the woman he could not find on his own. It seems to have been done.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

*hearing the sound of future wedding bells*

Heyyyyyy, speaking of wedding bells. Doesn't one of the recent love songs end with a bell?

Never mind. lol I just remembered which one it is that ends with bells. It is "Beautiful Girl."
 
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allformj said:
with michael being a man that strongly believes in god, and with him being someone that was searching for a woman who's love is divine, as he said in "someone put your hand out," then he was expecting god to place in his life the woman he could not find on his own. It seems to have been done.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

*hearing the sound of future wedding bells*

heyyyyyy, speaking of wedding bells. Doesn't one of the recent love songs end with a bell?

Never mind. Lol i just remembered which one it is that ends with bells. It is "beautiful girl."
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:) :) :) :) ;)
 
I always wanted to know the lyrics to the new PYT. There are some different lyrics in it.

It's funny, it's like MJ has all these gifts for her, and here we are pointing out all the beautiful details in them for her. It's quite a beautiful love story whatever way it turns out. Hard to see the absolute truth from here, but I can see that it's very sweet and romantic.

I hope they have a wonderful life together and may God bless the two of them (or continue to) and keep them strong through any hardships, but mostly give them lots of joy.
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
While I'm still not sure I concur with fan/girlfriend mixed messages because I feel he has such a uniquely special place for his fans, I'll use it as an example because it fits the entire point of the part I quoted. Does "ever-present" not mean the same as never-leaving?
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Yep, ever-present means the same as never-leaving. It was love that was put to the test. It's not to say that his fans do not have a special place in his heart though. He definitely loves and appreciates his fans. He acknowledges his fans in the first part of his message along with God, his children and his family. The word that shows the second part acknowledges his special someone is the word "needed" as it ties into what he was saying to her in the below love songs that he released before, during and after the trial. The love that he's going to have for a multitude of people is going to be different from the love he'll have for one person.

2003
"One More Chance"
All I need is one more chance at love

2004
"Fall Again"
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I need your love in my life
* I need us to carry on

2008
"For All Time"
When I say I need you, that's for all time

You can also tell the one he's saying all of the above to is not the one in "Don't Walk Away" because "Don't Walk Away" is about a shaky relationship. When a person is going through something dire like the trial that MJ went through, they can't rely on something shaky for support. It will give way. Notice that he mentioned support twice in his message. He said it in the first half of it and in the second half.

In the second half of his message he said the person was there when he needed them and he said he'll never forget them and will treasure the person's love and support forever. Both are the same as saying "For All Time" and "For All Time" is a song about two individuals just like the other songs that he used the word "need" in.

A shaky relationship causes sorrow, has to be held together with a bunch of extra effort and usually becomes a headache. True love brings two people together and strengthens both when they embrace it. If they both are embracing it, they both want to be there.
 
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Who here remembers PYT 2008?

Michael calls her his primadona (lol!) and his Heavenly prize.
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Me, me, me, (raising hand), I remember teacher, now don't I got a lil somethin somethin from the treasure box?, lol.
 
:lol:

Checking out a man in love is a beautiful thing. Michael is sooooo romantic with his serenading self! :wub: :popcorn:
 
AllForMJ said:
Yep, ever-present means the same as never-leaving. It was love that was put to the test.
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Yep and how 'bout just as MJ never "left" the music business, the girl never "left" him, even if she did "walk away". Reminds me of someone walking away while I'm talking to them. If I'm not finding the right thing to say and they walk off I get livid. Also so many songs say, "I can't get through to you". Could it be that he finally "got through" to her.

It's not to say that his fans do not have a special place in his heart though. He definitely loves and appreciates his fans. He acknowledges his fans in the first part of his message along with God, his children and his family. The word that shows the second part acknowledges his special someone is the word "needed" as it ties into what he was saying to her in the below love songs that he released before, during and after the trial. The love that he's going to have for a multitude of people is going to be different from the love he'll have for one person.
2003
"One More Chance"
All I need is one more chance at love

2004
"Fall Again"
* I need you around for everyday to start
* I need your love in my life
* I need us to carry on

2008
"For All Time"
When I say I need you, that's for all time

You can also tell the one he's saying all of the above to is not the one in "Don't Walk Away" because "Don't Walk Away" is about a shaky relationship.
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Well, according to the lyrics Don't Walk Away is about someone losing "patience" with him not finding the right thing to say or his not finding something that will make sense to her heart and/or mind in a given moment. It happens in relationships all the time. Fall Again tells us they both did battle, they both left ("ourselves") a mountain to be overcome. For All Time is a song about reassurance and he gives her one reassurance after another throughout the song. At the end of For All Time he even says, "no that's no lie". Maybe something he did made her feel insecure and this is his way of letting her know that his love is true rather than him being solely concerned about vice-versa.

When a person is going through something dire like the trial that MJ went through, they can't rely on something shaky for support. It will give way.
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If he learned that her love was "ever present", that is half the battle and half the "mountain" right there. What if those questions from Don't Walk Away were finally heard by her (her ears or her heart) meaning he finally "got through" to her and of course she came running when he needed her.

Notice that he mentioned support twice in his message. He said it in the first half of it and in the second half.

In the second half of his message he said the person was there when he needed them and he said he'll never forget them and will treasure the person's love and support forever. Both are the same as saying "For All Time" and "For All Time" is a song about two individuals just like the other songs that he used the word "need" in.
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They both "fought in a battle" (it sounds like he accepts responsibility for that too when he says, "Darlin "I" fought in a battle") which sounds like he was "fighting it" just as much as she was - or resisting it which is remniscent of what Quincy Jones said about MJ's songs being autobiographical even about something MJ is "resisting", but anyway if nobody won then that means there's no more war. Reminds me of two kids who fight to the finish and at the end of it all, they burst out laughing and walk arm in arm to the candy lady's house.

A shaky relationship causes sorrow, has to be held together with a bunch of extra effort and usually becomes a headache. True love brings two people together and strengthens both when they embrace it. If they both are embracing it, they both want to be there.
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I guess what I'm saying is, sometimes "fighting", "battles", and headaches are a part of putting up with another human being, in love. Have you ever seen two people who truly love eachother be in the midst of war with eachother, but just as soon as someone from the outside world starts messin' with one of them, that outside person better watch out. This is what I'm saying about love. I don't see where DWA was any different from any of the other songs where he's saying, "dammit woman" :lol:
 
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Yep, you are indeed right, AllForMJ Michael does appear to be a very romantic guy. Can you imagine how intense and sweet it must be for his lady love to get all of this up close and personal? That has to be incredible.

If I hadn't already, lemme say this about a man in Love. Most of us in here knows, a man doesn't too easily give it up and reveal to the woman of his affection that he is in love with her let alone tells and shows her how needed she is but our Michael has done just that!
Yes, we can agree, Michael isn't like most guys, he is unique and special and what makes this man even more special is the fact that he being as BIG as he is, understands in order for his blessings to manifest he had to step aside and allow something much LARGER than he to guide the way. And that was the Divine, Lord. God. At some point, Michael had to do what he told us he does when a song appears; drop down on his knees. The fact that she came in the nick of time at his own will( and prayer), shows Michael's personal relationship to a much higher being.
Michael's clues of praying for her to come back reveals, he needed her. When God answered his prayers, Michael knew this was a Divine Love. God is involved and that must give Michael peace of mind.
Most men would not set in motion all of these things in order to be with who his heart yearns for. Unfortunately many guys( and woman) settle and so many haven't been taught or have forgotten: to ask God and you shall recieve.
Asking God to come in was his way of saying, he wanted that real, raw, deep, human connection with his soulmate.
And as mentioned before in past post. What we are witnessing are the results of Michael recieving exactly what he himself had prayed for.
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
Yep and so just as MJ never "left" the music business, the girl never "left" him, even if she did "walk away". Reminds me of someone walking away while I'm talking to them. If I'm not finding the right thing to say and they walk off I get livid. Also so many songs say, "I can't get through to you". Could it be that he finally "got through" to her.

I picked up the same thing as you stateofshock. I noticed how he sings about not getting through to someone in several songs, even in a poem or two from dancing the dream. This relates to many things he was doing in order to show her, his love and commitment to what they had had, but doing alot of this time as he is trying to get through, we see him in marriages or have seen him end one.
Whatever was going on between them, she resisted, or at least Michael's clues reveal that.

And this is also one of the things that indicate to me, this lady can't be someone in his community. A woman who has the same career or a similar one to his would be easier to hook up with or reconnect with. His many clues tell us; this woman has been out of bounds and out of reach to him for a very long time.
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Yep, you are indeed right, AllForMJ Michael does appear to be a very romantic guy. Can you imagine how intense and sweet it must be for his lady love to get all of this up close and personal? That has to be incredible.

If I hadn't already, lemme say this about a man in Love. Most of us in here knows, a man doesn't too easily give it up and reveal to the woman of his affection that he is in love with her let alone tells and shows her how needed she is but our Michael has done just that!
Yes, we can agree, Michael isn't like most guys, he is unique and special and what makes this man even more special is the fact that he being as BIG as he is, understands in order for his blessings to manifest he had to step aside and allow something much LARGER than he to guide the way. And that was the Divine, Lord. God. At some point, Michael had to do what he told us he does when a song appears; drop down on his knees. The fact that she came in the nick of time at his own will( and prayer), shows Michael's personal relationship to a much higher being.
Michael's clues of praying for her to come back reveals, he needed her. When God answered his prayers, Michael knew this was a Divine Love. God is involved and that must give Michael peace of mind.
Most men would not set in motion all of these things in order to be with who his heart yearns for. Unfortunately many guys( and woman) settle and so many haven't been taught or have forgotten: to ask God and you shall recieve.
Asking God to come in was his way of saying, he wanted that real, raw, deep, human connection with his soulmate.
And as mentioned before in past post. What we are witnessing are the results of Michael recieving exactly what he himself had prayed for.
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Yep and thanks moddie for sharing from your personal experience. You and AllforMJ are so romantic too just like MJ. Relationships also seem one way to observors and only the two people know. If this is a relationship where outside forces played a part it can be all the more complicated. Those outside forces could be anyone from the multitude of people around MJ to the complex business affiliations I suppose.
 
Moddie777 said:
I picked up the same thing as you stateofshock. I noticed how he sings about not getting through to someone in several songs, even in a poem or two from dancing the dream. This relates to many things he was doing in order to show her, his love and commitment to what they had had, but doing alot of this time as he is trying to get through, we see him in marriages or have seen him end one.
Whatever was going on between them, she resisted, or at least Michael's clues reveal that.

And this is also one of the things that indicate to me, this lady can't be someone in his community. A woman who has the same career or a similar one to his would be easier to hook up with or reconnect with. His many clues tell us; this woman has been out of bounds and out of reach to him for a very long time.
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Yes it seems that way and it seems as though if he is communicating through song because it comes via his spirit and true inspiration and he's doing it that way so that she is clear that it is of a Divine nature and so that the relationship can't be caught on 'radar' for the world to see and "judge" and try and tear apart. It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

I would just like to add that this could ALL be SO off base. I just have to add that because we all know that MJ is unpredictable and just when that puzzle piece seems to fit...

:giggle: but thanks Michael for making this guessing game so much fun.
 
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Some more 'food for thought'. Inasmuch as it does seem like this is a 'distant, ethereal relationship, there are other songs that make it seem as though it is a physically interactive one eg,"Can't Let Her Get Away says, "i told you that I need you a thousand times", Who Is It says, "we made a vow we'd live our lives anew", For All Time says, "with a tender touch you know so well, Don't Walk Away says, "everything we said and all we've done", Break of Dawn says, "let me move you, let me soothe you til the Break of Dawn and you know its true', Beautiful Girl says, "its almost like dancing when romancing in her arms" all of which if lumped together makes it seem like an interaction that hasn't had a long time of distance.

On another note, also the use of the name Annie recurring in various contexts seems to be either, too obvious, or, he's "hiding" her in plain site by there being no consistant theme that follows that name. Some believe Smooth Criminal indicates that "she" was kidnapped or 'forced' away from him by 'powers that be' but that theme doesn't recur nearly as much (if at all) as do the ethereal one of him seeming to be reaching out via song trying to 'get through' to her and breaking down her resistance.

Everything from Give In to Me, to Invincible, to Butterflies (I noticed Eve says, "you know you're perfect for her you got all of what them fools lack", which he seems to confirm in 2000 Watts, the "rawest" of all his songs, when says, "you feel I’m real I’m everything you need, so tell me what’s the deal"

These are the kinds of things that seem to go against the idea of her being 'taken' by some outside forces but is resistant in and of herself.

I'm wondering if some of his songs, the ones where there isn't a recurring theme, may not be inspired by the experiences of others which have touched him to write and/or sing about.

oh well these are just some thoughts to support the idea that we may never figure this out :lol:

so,

the love story continues as the mysteries unfold....
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
Yes it seems that way and it seems as though if he is communicating through song because it comes via his spirit and true inspiration and he's doing it that way so that she is clear that it is of a Divine nature and so that the relationship can't be caught on 'radar' for the world to see and "judge" and try and tear apart. It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

I would just like to add that this could ALL be SO off base. I just have to add that because we all know that MJ is unpredictable and just when that puzzle piece seems to fit...

:giggle: but thanks Michael for making this guessing game so much fun.
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It seems he's being very protective and in her own way she probably is too by not coming out unless and until he gives a clear signal to do so, following his lead.

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STATEofSHOCK said:
Yep and thanks moddie for sharing from your personal experience. You and AllforMJ are so romantic too just like MJ. Relationships also seem one way to observors and only the two people know. If this is a relationship where outside forces played a part it can be all the more complicated. Those outside forces could be anyone from the multitude of people around MJ to the complex business affiliations I suppose.
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You are welcome stateofshock. I wasn't too sure at first about sharing all that but I wanted to give more insight from an upclose ,committed and longlasting relationship(marriage) point of view.
So much of what we have interpreted, I can understand because of some of the things we have experienced in our relationship(first), then marriage (later).
Michael is pretty simple, he has simple needs but the complications and complexities of his life make it hard to have a successful personal life, which is why he seems to be so drawn and connected to us, his fans. He seems to have little interaction with regular everyday people who aren't wanting something from him or scheming to get close to him.
He really loves us and know we will be on the internet waiting to hear something from him, which is why ( i think), he reaches out to those fans of whom he trust to get special messages out. He is a considerate and loving man. He just wants to be loved that way in return.
As far as the outside forces go, Michael has surely put clues all over the place through the years to indicate how much he is aware that his stardom and handlers have or are capable of
running an interference in his life.
Unfortunately during the trial, many people who had either visited Neverland or worked with him in some capacity were running to the network tv stations and giving interviews, they said some very disturbing things about Michael's life and the team of people who were/are hired to work for him. Not to mention, both of his ex wives had eluded in past years to very similar things.
It was during those times especially, that a much clearer picture of what was actually taken place had started to emerge full frontal.
Michael's own clues tell us the possibility of the downfall of this relationship was attributed to both things you said stateofshock, the multitude of people around him and the business affiliations.
 
:angel:"A true friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out."

Walter Winchell

 
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