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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Lithuanian? :D cool. I had to search google translator to find out the meaning :)

So now looking closer at that jacket.. Someone said it looks more like a flower, and now that I am looking, yes it does, but also like a bird and a flower behind it. I really can't tell now. I am really starting to like the jacket though, and the pants. I was looking through Christians site to see if I could see it clearer and it is obviously a new design. Perhaps a test design? Anyways, I love the idea. You wear your tattoo. It can be as meaningful for you, but instead of having to get something permanent on your skin, you wear it on your clothes. Very cool idea really. It changes how I look at the clothing.

Goodnight to you MJrox. I might be heading there soon myself.

edit: a quote that is very true
" Phoenix Bird tells us that whenever you shoot yourself again onto a right path, after the spiral of the failures, you will find the victorious strength in your wings that the ordinary bird, sleeping in it's nest, will never ever be able to even imagine."

author~ Priyanka Teredesai
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I got going on a tangent here..... It may not have anything to do with the thread but it is beautiful nonetheless.
William Shakespeare
The Phoenix and the Turtle
Let the bird of loudest lay,
On the sole Arabian tree,
Herald sad and trumpet be,
To whose sound chaste wings obey.

But thou, shrieking harbinger,
Foul pre-currer of the fiend,
Augur of the fever's end,
To this troop come thou not near.

From this session interdict
Every fowl of tyrant wing,
Save the eagle, feather'd king:
Keep the obsequy so strict.

Let the priest in surplice white,
That defunctive music can,
Be the death-divining swan,
Lest the requiem lack his right.

And thou, treble-dated crow,
That thy sable gender mak'st
With the breath thou giv'st and tak'st,
'Mongst our mourners shalt thou go.

Here the anthem doth commence:
Love and constancy is dead;
Phoenix and the turtle fled
In a mutual flame from hence.

So they lov'd, as love in twain
Had the essence but in one;
Two distincts, division none:
Number there in love was slain.

Hearts remote, yet not asunder;
Distance, and no space was seen
'Twixt the turtle and his queen;
But in them it were a wonder.

So between them love did shine,
That the turtle saw his right
Flaming in the phoenix' sight:
Either was the other's mine.

Property was thus appall'd,
That the self was not the same;
Single nature's double name
Neither two nor one was call'd.

Reason, in itself confounded,
Saw division grow together;
To themselves yet either-neither,
Simple were so well compounded

That it cried how true a twain
Seemeth this concordant one!
Love hath reason, reason none
If what parts can so remain.

Whereupon it made this threne
To the phoenix and the dove,
Co-supreme and stars of love;
As chorus to their tragic scene.

THRENOS.
Beauty, truth, and rarity.
Grace in all simplicity,
Here enclos'd in cinders lie.

Death is now the phoenix' nest;
And the turtle's loyal breast
To eternity doth rest,

Leaving no posterity:--
'Twas not their infirmity,
It was married chastity.

Truth may seem, but cannot be:
Beauty brag, but 'tis not she;
Truth and beauty buried be.

To this urn let those repair
That are either true or fair;
For these dead birds sigh a prayer.

http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/nec/gillham22.htm is an interesting write up about it, where it talks of the parallels between this poem and Song of Solomon from the bible.
When it comes to Shakespeare's allocation of the sexes in his poem, that is to say, his making the Phoenix take over the role of bride [page 132] and the Turtle that of groom, yet another and even more venerable source than the De causis plantarum comes into view. This is the Song of Solomon, where the phoenix, meaning "palm-tree," figures as bride and the turtle as groom. The groom compares his bride to a palmtree (Φοινιξ [phoinix] in the Septuagint):
How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!
This thy stature is like to the palm tree (Φοινιξ [phoinix]), and thy breasts, to clusters of grapes.
I said, I will go up to the palm tree, and will take hold of its boughs;
(Cant. 7:6-8)
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This is far from being the only parallel between P&T and the Song of Solomon. There is an equally striking, if hidden, example in Cant. 2:14:
O my dove, who art in the clefts of the rock, in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely.
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This verse is, however, somewhat ambiguous. It is syntactically uncertain whether the bride in the preceding verses is meant to be repeating the words of the groom or whether she is actually addressing him in direct speech. Accordingly, two ways of mystical exegesis have been offered. On the one hand the dove may be identified with the bride and becomes then either a symbol of the church or of the individual soul.31
There is, however, another interpretation according to which the bridegroom is the dove meaning Christ. This interpretation is referred to in the chapter on the turtle-dove in the Physiologus:
This bird may be compared to our Lord Jesus Christ, for he is our chattering spiritual turtle-dove, the truly sweet and melodious bird, that in preaching the gospel has made resound what is below the heavens. Therefore, the bride herself, that is the church of all people, says to the turtle: "Let me see your countenance, let me hear your voice, for your voice is sweet, and your countenance is comely." (Cant. 2:14)32
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The ambiguous allocation of sexes in the Song of Solomon (the phoenix is meant to be the bride only,33 but the turtle may mean both, bride and groom) may provide a background setting off some of the seeming [page 133] inconsistencies of P&T. It could, for example, help interpret what tends to be the neutralization of opposites between male and female:
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The "turtle" is a turtle dove, which is an interesting bird. A bird that would suit this thread.

General Attributes
The turtledove has only one mate, to which it is always faithful; if that mate should die, it will never take another, and will thereafter never sit on anything green. Turtledoves always sit in the desert, but sometimes come to the gardens of the poor and to laborer's fields to gather seeds. In winter when they moult they live in hollow trees. They love solitude. To protect its young from wolves, the turtledove spreads squill leaves over its nest, which it builds in soft and delightful places.

Allegory/Moral
The turtledove signifies the holy church, which remained faithful to Christ after his death. The Aberdeen Bestiary interprets the turtledove's refusal to take a second mate differently: "Learn, you women, how great is the grace of widowhood, when it is proclaimed even among the birds."
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cont. cause I feel like it....

Now nothing I say here right now has much if any relevance to Michael but this happens sometimes when one follows a thought all over the place. Earlier on today I was looking up one of the old presidents. The 15th one. James Buchanan who was said to be the worst president of all time, but what was sad to me was the story of his love life. He was much like the turtle dove. Before he was president, rumours ran rampant about his infidelity and his desire to marry his fiance only because of her money. Because he was busy with work, he didn't have the time he should have taken to court her properly and she ended up believing the rumours after he had gone to visit the wife of a friend, she ended their engagement, and died shortly after due to what was said to be hysteria because of the stress and heartache.
His fiancée's death struck Buchanan. In a letter to her father – which was returned to him unopened — Buchanan said, "It is now no time for explanation, but the time will come when you will discover that she, as well as I, have been much abused. God forgive the authors of it.... I may sustain the shock of her death, but I feel that happiness has fled from me forever."[10] The Coleman family became bitter towards Buchanan and denied him a place at Ann's funeral.[11] Buchanan vowed he would never marry, though he continued to be flirtatious, and some pressed him to seek a wife. In response he said, "Marry he could not, for his affections were buried in the grave." He preserved Ann Coleman's letters, keeping them with him throughout his life, and requested that they be burned upon his death.[
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Also interesting to note that
On the day before his death, he predicted that "history will vindicate my memory". Nevertheless, historians continue to emphasize his failure to deal with secession. Historians in both 2006 and 2009 voted his failure to deal with secession the worst presidential mistake ever made.
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I thought this was very sad and I wonder what the rest of his life was like and what the truth behind the history of this president was.
http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/buchanan/essays/biography/2?print

Oh I was wrong, his fiancee died before he became president. He's related to me somehow, that's why I decided to read up on him. He sounds very much like the rest of us in our family. He was against slavery but ... well that sounds complicated what happened there. He thought the abolitionists movement were full of trouble makers apparently.

There are stories of people in my family taking quite bold stands against the treatment of black people in the south. My grandmother was one of them, and when my grandfather and her were there for a tour he was in (he was a musician..I guess famous in the big band era as a trombonist) my grandmother was furious over the treatment she saw and tried to stop a police from beating on a black man. I don't know the whole story but there were a few. I guess she loved and hated the area.

Well this is what happens when I stay up too late when I'm tired. I know it's not to do with this thread, but I figured that we could use something to read in here, and since I found it all interesting, maybe someone else might as well.


Oh yes, I had a point here that I forgot to try to make. It seems that even way back in the early 1800's gossip had a way of ruining people and their love. If love means enough to a person, it can ruin that person by ruining that love. Which wasn't the point I was thinking of.. But I just thought there were similarities to how it sounded his life was, to how Michael's life is with knowing Michael is a wonderful man, and how rumours and meddling people had taken away his good name and tarnished it. I wondered if maybe, especially because of what he said before dying, I wondered if maybe that happened to James Buchanan as well, because if he knew the truth to things, he would have thought that it would come out after his death. Apparently it hasn't as he is still looked at as being the worst president. It seems a shame.

Now after reading all that, I want to read up on the other members of my family (from wayyyyyyyy back and I don't even know how I am related .. in what manner. Just know that they are relatives..ancestors I guess.) and find out about them. It's quite interesting to see the similarities of some parts of the personalities along a line of people.
 
Moddie777 said:
We recognize this mysterygirl7, Thanks for your input though.
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Sorry if everybody already knew that, if it was obvious.. coming from Europe, I didn't know it untill recently, when I was in a new Ed Hardy shop that opened down my street.. and the guy working there explained me about it..

by the way, they had a long video with Christian Augidier promoting himself.. BIGTIME.. and of cause at the end of that video you see...; His birthday party, with Michael.. the right way to end your promovideo, right? lol .. I had to see it, so I ended up staying in the shop for half an hour.. lol
 
Hello Mystery. It is interesting isn't it? I just looked all through his designs and this one is unique. Roses and dragons and skulls are common in his themes, but I've only seen birds in a couple, and only the bird on his pants, and they are to do with the "true love" theme. The jacket seems entirely new and unique though recognizable as Ed Hardy's design and Christians clothing.

My brain needs to relax and go to sleep and stop thinking..Lol.. goodnight all.
 
Ape said:
Hello Mystery. It is interesting isn't it? I just looked all through his designs and this one is unique. Roses and dragons and skulls are common in his themes, but I've only seen birds in a couple, and only the bird on his pants, and they are to do with the "true love" theme. The jacket seems entirely new and unique though recognizable as Ed Hardy's design and Christians clothing.

My brain needs to relax and go to sleep and stop thinking..Lol.. goodnight all.
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Hi Ape :) If you looked it all through, and didn't find it.. then the jacket and the pants could have been designed for MJ.. hmm interesting.. and kind of cool also..

Sorry, if I stated the obvious again..
 
mysterygirl7 said:
Hi Ape :) If you looked it all through, and didn't find it.. then the jacket and the pants could have been designed for MJ.. hmm interesting.. and kind of cool also..

Sorry, if I stated the obvious again..
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That was in my mind as well.

And Ape, I don't know Lithuanian, but I do know a little Russian. But since it is an Eastern European language they are similar. I've been around the world just a few times by now and have picked up on several languages on the way and use Russian somewhat regularly to speak with some friends I have both here and abroad. And a little German, and a little Romanian, and a little Spanish, and a little of this that and the other language.

Privyet! Kagdyela? Kak tibya zavoot? Patom, dasvidanya.
 
It's all lost on me until I use google translator. I only know English. But when I tried translating it said it was Lithuanian for "Spoken - night".
 
Ape said:
It's all lost on me until I use google translator. I only know English. But when I tried translating it said it was Lithuanian for "Spoken - night".
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lol that's fine :) Spokeny noche' = Good night or Good sleep
I also said, "Hello! How are you? What is your name? Later, goodbye."
Anyway this thread isn't about languages.

It's about MJ...in love...and all those clues he keeps giving his fans...*sigh*

AllForMJ, you've started one of the best threads I have ever seen and been a participant of. Thanks! Now where's the rest of your story????? Poor Michael is cold, and it's getting on dinner time!


Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go watch cartoons with the kids. Later gaters!
 
mjroxworld said:
I am just saying what I am saying. The two of them have to do the unfolding, in their own time, at their own pace. There's lots of speculation around...Michael's been obvious lately though not saying a darn word...he very often says things without saying a word (as AllForMJ vouches for)...don't you think that maybe he has been unfolding things for his fans for quite some time now? On purpose?

As far as the phoenix is concerned, rebirth is absolutely right. Michael himself is a phoenix. He rises from the ashes time and again, never to be conquered. My avatar speaks of me. I am a phoenix. My avatar, my lyrics, my life, is akin to a phoenix. The phoenix has wings, and so do I. So do butterflies, and angels, etc. And now I can use my wings and FLY!

We know from Michael's lyrics that his lady must represent one, herself. Because his lyrics suggest that she's been in and out of his life for a very long time. But it seems that now she's there to stay. She HAS to have a very strong, independent, free, rebirthing spirit if she is to be his.

This entire thread is full of speculation. Sometimes we dream. But what if almost everything in those speculations were true? What if you really were seeing everything MJ meant for you to see? That's an amazing thought. Because you'd be hitting the nail on the head in regards to his relationship, and really finding out more about her than you thought. Just because she isn't named in his speeches, poems, or lyrics (or is she?), doesn't mean you don't know what kind of person she is. After 158 pages in this thread, is she still a mystery, or do you feel like you know her? Any fan knows, she must be one special lady if she is to capture and keep Michael's heart.
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A thought provoking Masterpiece (imo)!!!!!!!!!!
 
AllForMJ said:
Hi you guys,

I was over at the Jackson Family forum and ran across this. Looks MJ and Janet collaborated on Janet's song "Can't B Good." It was posted by blueocean on 7/14/08.

Warning: MJ sounds gooooood. Really good. Delicious. He's opening the song the same way he did "Someone Put Your Hand Out." :wub: Then, he and Janet are trading off throughout the song. I have Janet's CD. I can tell this is a new version because the adlibs are different He's added his own.

Between 1:38 and 1:44 he says, "What's goin' on? What's happening to me?" Then Janet says "Promised myself I would never let this be." Around 2:52 they both say "Oooo, I think I'm falling in love again." Then, around 3:01 he says, "I tell myself I never would."

He sounds oh so sweet. This is one of those songs where you sit down, dim the lights and just listen. Nothing sounds more beautiful than Michael Jackson in love.

Enjoy.

:flowers:
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question? i was reading the info and the link says that the person who posted it slowed down the song to show us how much janet sounds like mj..so i mean is it really mj or just janet's voice slowed down like the person said?
 
mizzneneluvzmj said:
question? i was reading the info and the link says that the person who posted it slowed down the song to show us how much janet sounds like mj..so i mean is it really mj or just janet's voice slowed down like the person said?
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Hi mizzneneluvzmj, since it's really hard to tell if it's MJ singing his sister's song or not, we've decided to say it's not him.

I would love to hear him sing it though. He would sound so sexy and I'm sure he could sing it with no problem at all. :wub:
 
AllForMJ said:
Hi mizzneneluvzmj, since it's really hard to tell if it's MJ singing his sister's song or not, we've decided to say it's not him.

I would love to hear him sing it though. He would sound so sexy and I'm sure he could sing it with no problem at all. :wub:
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yea his voice is already so smooth and sultery! i would be in heaven!!!
thanks allformj!!!
 
mjroxworld said:
lol that's fine :) Spokeny noche' = Good night or Good sleep
I also said, "Hello! How are you? What is your name? Later, goodbye."
Anyway this thread isn't about languages.

It's about MJ...in love...and all those clues he keeps giving his fans...*sigh*

AllForMJ, you've started one of the best threads I have ever seen and been a participant of. Thanks! Now where's the rest of your story????? Poor Michael is cold, and it's getting on dinner time!


Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go watch cartoons with the kids. Later gaters!
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Wow, that's coooooool! And as for the limo door... hahahahahahehehehehe...
I have got to let that man get on the road, huh?! That is like the longest stop in history. Have you ever seen anyone sit in a parking lot that long with the door open? :lol:

Hey, Mike. Are you ready to roll? :tease: :giggle:
 
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AllForMJ said:
Here are links to the details that I've posted so far, mizz.

Post #1654
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=111

Post #1827
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52601&page=122

When we go back on our trip down memory lane, I will pick up at the end of post 1827...

*waving*
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lol thanks so much!
oh but that maybe hard to find! lol could you post the links again when you do?

oh and i just got thru reading them!! man! you put so much emotion into your story!!! or should i say memory ..story isnt the rite word! lol its as if i was rite there!! omg! especially the part when your cousins were to afraid to go to his limo!!! i felt that same feeling in my guts while readin that part! lol it was so cool! maybe one day ill be lucky enough to share my experience having met mj...maybe....
 
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AllForMJ said:
Wow, that's coooooool! And as for the limo door... hahahahahahehehehehe...
I have got to let that man get on the road, huh?! That is like the longest stop in history. Have you ever seen anyone sit in a parking lot that long with the door open? :lol:

Hey, Mike. Are you ready to roll? :tease: :giggle:
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Let's roll! Ease on down the road! Parking lots are boring. Shut the limo door, and let's roll. You and MJ got some 'splainin' to do!
 
I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk
 
Joyce said:
I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk
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No, sounds like his nephews 3T
 
I didn't think it sounded like his voice, but the melody is beautiful. Thanks.
 
I went over to listen to it and got there tooooo late. Youtube took it down and replaced it with, "We're sorry, this video is no longer available." Oh well, better luck next time. Hope I get a next time.

What was the song called?
 
AllForMJ said:
I went over to listen to it and got there tooooo late. Youtube took it down and replaced it with, "We're sorry, this video is no longer available." Oh well, better luck next time. Hope I get a next time.

What was the song called?
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It hasn't been taken down...here's the video...Maybe its the Malachy guy? Or 3T. It's not his voice. This should be taken down...the guy that put this together is misleading others..




 
Joyce said:
I ran across this YouTube video and the song is just beautiful. Is this one of Michael's new songs? If so, he says a lot in it about not wanting to break her heart, but he likes honesty, he's been thinking about wanting to be single and alone. The link to the YouTube video is below, so you may have to copy/paste it into your browser. The title is "Michael Jackson's Comeback 2009". Tell me what you think please.

PLEASE WATCH: Michael Jackson's Comback 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCAYY9eyyXk
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In following with Michael's consitant clues, that include specific song releases that tie in with the theory of this thread, I don't believe we'll be hearing him sing any songs about wanting to be single and alone.

If we are on to something, quit the opposite will be the theme for any MJ song or upcoming release.
 
^Woah I just had a teenage flashback to the New Edition "Heartbreak" tour in Oakland :lol:


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LindaC781 said:
It hasn't been taken down...here's the video...Maybe its the Malachy guy? Or 3T. It's not his voice. This should be taken down...the guy that put this together is misleading others..
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Thanks LindaC781. I let it play a little bit and yep, it sounds like Ralph.

I can't wait to hear Mike's next love song. When it comes to singing love songs, Mike is the best. :yes:

You know what I did this morning? I listened to "She's Out Of My Life," "Who Is It" and "Don't Walk Away" in that order. Each one of these songs is about breaking up and when you listen to them, you can really tell how much MJ loves women. His tears always start flowing when he sings songs about women leaving.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about losing a woman, trying to sort out his feelings after losing her and not being able to really do anything about losing her. It's just over and he feels so heartbroken.

"Who Is It" is about losing a woman, possibly to another man, and not only does he feel heartbroken but he is totally ticked off about it. But, like in "She's Out Of My Life," he can't do anything about it. She's already gone.

"Don't Walk Away" is about a woman that's getting ready to leave, but this time he's trying to convince the woman not to. He's pleading with her. He switches back and forth between being willing to let her go and not wanting her go; leaving on his own and not wanting to leave.

He's crying in all three of the above songs. He's crying three different ways. The big difference in the last one is that he is crying to the woman this time.

What's sad is that the last one was recorded not too long ago. What's nice, is that he doesn't sound heartbroken when he sings love songs now. He sounds so much more at ease now and he's singing like for once, love did not let him down.
 
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