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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

There's alot going on with these designs. They seem to be perfectly made to speak autobiographically for Michael. Let me try and show you:

First the back of the jacket. Amazing. What do we see first? The Blossoming Red Rose with Fire emerging. Perfectly centered behind it is a burning Sun with Rays. What does a Red Rose symbolize? Romance and Love. Fire coming from it can signify a '' Burning" and "Heated" love which indicates lust, yearnings, and sensuality. How the designer and/or Michael's present feelings are being revealed with this image.

The Sun perfectly centered behind it: Meaning of Sun- The star around which the planets revolve, from which they recieve heat and light. The Rays beaming from Michael's sun are Gold/yellow= light, Red= heat.

Light-guidance, Direction, Godly, spiritual

Heat-lust, love, sensuality, sexuality

Together these symbols could mean, A Deep Spiritual and Romantic Love that burns with passion giving direction and Guidance.
 
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Now for the Bottoms/Pants: I instantly was drawn to the Never Ending Ropes and trying to find an ending and start, but thats difficult to decipher with this design. They are all entertwined and enterlocked with the other. 2 different pattern's of rope locked together. Could represent the difference between man and woman.

Dragons are a mythical creatures( remember the unicorns, here we go again with mythology and MJ), Words that generally apply( i googled it) to dragons are: Couarge, Strength, Protectors.

The Designer and/or Michael could be symbolizing: An awareness of courage and strength to protect himself, and the love he holds so passionately.

If you look very closely at the picture Ape posted of his back ( can't remember if its the first one or bottom one, look at the left shoulder. In the correct picture look diagonally from the letter "T" from mjjpictures.com. Remember, you are looking from the T to his left shoulder. Do you see that? What does that look like to you?
 
Very nice descriptions and interpretations Moddie :) awesome! Something else that a friend of mine pointed out to me after I wrote the post about it is that it is a "hearth stemming from the rose (that) could, indeed, point to burning love..or rather comforting love, because the hearth symbolizes romanticism, as well as sheer warmth, as opposed to a scorching one. The rose is not burned, but lit like a candle by the benefactory fire of love..Hearth is also the symbol of hospitality and openness.."

I don't think that this person would mind me sharing that. I thought it was quite insightful as well. I think it goes nicely with what you have said there as well Moddie.

Thank you for adding your insight to it.

Edit: Moddie are you talking about what could be a face? It looks sort of like it could be. Or the other Phoenix?
 
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You hit the nail right on the head again Ape!!!!!!!!!

A face! It not only look like any face but a more feminine one!

Your eyes are sharp ape!
 
:) Thank you Moddie. Sometimes I think people (myself included) get shy sharing things for fear of how they may be perceived, or of being thought of as foolish. Interpretations of things can be very personal rather than subjective, and can start to mean lots to the people sharing. Thank you for making people feel good about sharing their thoughts and opinions and interpretations.

I would love to see that outfit plainly in photos. It looks packed with symbolism, but some is hidden. I wonder what is on the front.
 
Awwwwww you are very welcome Ape. Interpretating in this particular way can leave one open and very vunerable to attacks and insults from within our very own community. I wouldn't mind the attacks if other's as they wag their tongue's to spew harsh words against us or our descriptions could only think unselfishly of Michael if only for a moment.

I do believe that those of us who are regularly participating in this thread albeit through interpretations or a kind supportive word to the interpretators are among the most selfless MJ's fans on the planet.

Beside's that we are romantics. Gotta love a romantic.
 
Romantics for sure. I gotta live vicariously through him and his romantic adventures..lol. Or anyone with a romantic story. It's nice to indulge in sometimes. I guess Valentine's day brought this back to life? and rekindled the romantic in all of us?
 
Im not seeing any face at all? where at.. i dont see it on his left shoulder? :unsure:
 
It's the second pic Ape posted. The picture revealing his left arms and the blue surgical mask in his left hand.

Look at his left shoulder, diagonally from the letter, T.
 
Ya know I was just thinking, the very flashy and colorful outfit could possibly have been the designers and Michael's way of getting into the mood of Valentine's Day? hence the blossoming Red Rose on his back and pant leg. These photo's came the 10th right? Last year, what romantic gesture did he share around the same time? He released T25 with the added bridge to "For all time" on 2/12/08. Keeping with the theme?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe.
 
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Ya know I was just thinking, the very flashy and colorful outfit could possibly have been the designers and Michael's way of getting into the mood of Valentine's Day? hence the blossoming Red Rose on his back and pant leg. These photo's came the 10th right? Last year, what romantic gesture did he share around the same time? He released T25 with the added bridge to "For all time" on 2/12/08. Keeping with the theme?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe.
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Yeah, it could be his way of getting in the mood of Valentine's Day. Maybe the huge rose was his way of giving her another rose, like he did with the handwritten note. Also, dressing colorful could go with his song, "You Are So Beautiful." In "You Are So Beautiful" he said, "you are so colorful." He also said, "you are all that I am" so maybe that's the reason for having two phoenixes. :D

Hey, isn't it funny how that last time you did your interpretation on the brooches you were pointing out the two identical unicorns and now he's wearing something with two identical birds? LOL

And going back to "For All Time," he did say, "two hearts belong so well."
 
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^Are you trying to tell us something? :blink:


:popcorn::lol:
 
don't mean to spoil anything here.. lol BUT the clothes from Christian Augidier, which are designed with the Ed Hardy look, all have these kind of symbols, cause tatoos are used on the design.. just wanted to add that.. so I think MJ could have chosen most Ed Hardy stuff.. and he would have gotten a heart of a rose..
Still like that you try to come up with theories.. it's fun..
 
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don't mean to spoil anything here.. lol BUT the clothes from Christian Augidier, which are designed with the Ed Hardy look, all have these kind of symbols, cause tatoos are used on the design.. just wanted to add that.. so I think MJ could have chosen most Ed Hardy stuff.. and he would have gotten a heart of a rose..
Still like that you try to come up with theories.. it's fun..
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We recognize this mysterygirl7, Thanks for your input though.
 
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Yeah, it could be his way of getting in the mood of Valentine's Day. Maybe the huge rose was his way of giving her another rose, like he did with the handwritten note. Also, dressing colorful could go with his song, "You Are So Beautiful." In "You Are So Beautiful" he said, "you are so colorful." He also said, "you are all that I am" so maybe that's the reason for having two phoenixes. :D

Hey, isn't it funny how that last time you did your interpretation on the brooches you were pointing out the two identical unicorns and now he's wearing something with two identical birds? LOL

And going back to "For All Time," he did say, "two hearts belong so well."
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Two=pair,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Michael seems to be constantly drawn to things we've been exploring in this thread.
 
I came across this reflection and thought it was very appropiate for this thread...​

"From every human being there rises a light that reaches straight to heaven, and when two souls that are destined to be together find each other, the streams of light flow together and a single brighter light goes forth from that united being."

Ba'al Shem Tov
Author

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth...Education Is The Key~~~
 
Trust

As I was feeding squirrels in the park, I noticed a small one that didn't seem to trust me. While the others came close enough to eat out of my hand, he kept his distance. I threw a peanut his way. He edged up, grabbed it nervously, and ran off. Next time he must have felt less afraid, because he came a little closer. The safer he felt, the more he trusted me. Finally he sat right at my feet, as bold as any squirrel clamoring for the next peanut.

Trust is like that -- it always seems to come down to trusting in yourself. Others can't overcome fear for you; you have to do it on your own. It's hard, because fear and doubt hold on tight. We are afraid of being rejected, of being hurt once more. So we keep a safe distance. We think separating ourselves from others will protect us, but that doesn't work, either. It leaves us feeling alone and unloved.

Trusting yourself begins by recognizing that it's okay to be afraid. Having fear is not the problem, because everyone feels anxious and insecure sometimes. The problem is not being honest enough to admit your fear. Whenever I accept my own doubt and insecurity, I'm more open to other people. The deeper I go into myself, the stronger I become, because I realize that my real self is much bigger than any fear.

In accepting yourself completely, trust becomes complete. There is no longer any separation between people, because there is no longer any separation inside. In the space where fear used to live, love is allowed to grow.

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With the way that MJ went from releasing love songs in 2001 that were centered on disappointment, to the way that he's now releasing love songs that are doing quite the opposite, it seems like his feelings for his lady friend grew much like what he's saying in the above poem. Everything that he's now saying in his love songs shows there is a strong feeling of trust.

We can feel his trust in "Beautiful Girl" which is a song about being in love. We can also feel his trust in "For All Time" which is a song about being together as well as being in love.
 
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A rebirth of sorts. The Phoenix has often been associated with Michael Jackson for as long back as I have been a fan anyways. I hadn't noticed it before I referred to him as a phoenix once in the chatroom, but after I said it, I saw it everywhere. That is not to say that I was the one who came up with a unique idea of thinking of Michael as a Phoenix, (though I did come up with it for me, since I hadn't seen anyone else use that reference before). I just never noticed the references to it before I said it, but did notice it all over after.

It just suits him.

So I guess this, to me, could signify that there are two phoenix's. Two people who have gone through hell and come back stronger for it. Could be him and a significant other. It's possible. Could be the same hell, same reason for it, or each their own, separate from the other and separate reasons for it in their lives. I don't know if it is a matter of seeing what we want to see, or if there is actual significance to this stuff.

At any rate, it does indeed make one think.,,and I like thinking, so that's good.

But MJrox world... are you saying YOU are the other phoenix? Or are you just pointing out that you see him as one. ;)

Edit: oh hey... speaking of avatars. Look at mine and his outfit! They Match!! hehehe...and no, I'm not trying to tell anyone anything, I just noticed it and thought it was cool. Purty
 
^Dang Ape thanks for answering the phoenix question I was about to start typing and I saw your response :lol:


Some thoughts I had.....Do people really want to find the answers and have the mystery completely unfold? Isn't waiting to see what comes next part of the romance, imagination and intrigue? Is there truly a mystery to all of this after all? What about the ring finger?

The interpretations in this thread are interesting and who knows but like I said in the girlfriend thread, I think some things you have to hold sacred and if he chooses someday he'll let the world know, if not that's ok too. :)

Now back to lurking :popcorn:

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What's sweet is, although MJ is keeping her under tight wraps, he is not hiding his feelings about her. His feelings about her are coming out in the newest love songs and his demeanor.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds...

:yes: :popcorn:
 
Pua, I wish you would do more than just lurk in this thread because when you do say something, it really adds to it. BTW, I agree with you, though there are times when I wish the mystery was solved and we could wrap the thread up ;) Though no, it's not our business, and so it's fine if we never know.
 
I am just saying what I am saying. The two of them have to do the unfolding, in their own time, at their own pace. There's lots of speculation around...Michael's been obvious lately though not saying a darn word...he very often says things without saying a word (as AllForMJ vouches for)...don't you think that maybe he has been unfolding things for his fans for quite some time now? On purpose?

As far as the phoenix is concerned, rebirth is absolutely right. Michael himself is a phoenix. He rises from the ashes time and again, never to be conquered. My avatar speaks of me. I am a phoenix. My avatar, my lyrics, my life, is akin to a phoenix. The phoenix has wings, and so do I. So do butterflies, and angels, etc. And now I can use my wings and FLY!

We know from Michael's lyrics that his lady must represent one, herself. Because his lyrics suggest that she's been in and out of his life for a very long time. But it seems that now she's there to stay. She HAS to have a very strong, independent, free, rebirthing spirit if she is to be his.

This entire thread is full of speculation. Sometimes we dream. But what if almost everything in those speculations were true? What if you really were seeing everything MJ meant for you to see? That's an amazing thought. Because you'd be hitting the nail on the head in regards to his relationship, and really finding out more about her than you thought. Just because she isn't named in his speeches, poems, or lyrics (or is she?), doesn't mean you don't know what kind of person she is. After 158 pages in this thread, is she still a mystery, or do you feel like you know her? Any fan knows, she must be one special lady if she is to capture and keep Michael's heart.
 
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