Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Thanks LindaC781. I let it play a little bit and yep, it sounds like Ralph.

I can't wait to hear Mike's next love song. When it comes to singing love songs, Mike is the best. :yes:

You know what I did this morning? I listened to "She's Out Of My Life," "Who Is It" and "Don't Walk Away" in that order. Each one of these songs is about breaking up and when you listen to them, you can really tell how much MJ loves women. His tears always start flowing when he sings songs about women leaving.

"She's Out Of My Life" is about losing a woman, trying to sort out his feelings after losing her and not being able to really do anything about losing her. It's just over and he feels so heartbroken.

"Who Is It" is about losing a woman, possibly to another man, and not only does he feel heartbroken but he is totally ticked off about it. But, like in "She's Out Of My Life," he can't do anything about it. She's already gone.

"Don't Walk Away" is about a woman that's getting ready to leave, but this time he's trying to convince the woman not to. He's pleading with her. He switches back and forth between being willing to let her go and not wanting her go; leaving on his own and not wanting to leave.

He's crying in all three of the above songs. He's crying three different ways. The big difference in the last one is that he is crying to the woman this time.

What's sad is that the last one was recorded not too long ago. What's nice, is that he doesn't sound heartbroken when he sings love songs now. He sounds so much more at ease now and he's singing like for once, love did not let him down.

Great analysis, right on. :) He begs and pleads w/ his lady not to walk away - AGAIN - and so it would seem, this time she has come back. She's with him for the long haul now, has always loved him but perhaps didn't know how to handle him and his lifestyle.

On the "Off The Wall" CD, Quincy Jones talks about "She's Out of My Life" and how Michael couldn't stop crying during the takes so they kept one of the endings, tears and all. It was authentic, and nobody could for the life of the figure out who could have given him such an emotional upset. They didn't know about any girlfriends he may have had at the time. They were baffled. Let me point something out: MJ was able to hide his relationship with Blanket's mother from the world. NO ONE (except perhaps family) knew about it, and the world was surprised when another baby showed up in his family. This tells me that Michael is good at hiding his relationships. I do not think he ever felt about Brooke or Debbie or Lisa the way he feels about this woman. It is evident that she has been in and out of his life for a long, long time. And he feels so strongly about her, that he has not only been shouting about her from the mountaintops through his music, but at the same time keeping her one of the most well-kept secrets. See, the girl he sings about through "Don't Walk Away" is the self-same girl he sings about in "She's Out of My Life"......... ;)
 
About the song "Don't walk away". It is in my opinion one of the most sadess and disturbing of Michael's Love Songs.

Here's why but first let me tell you, I haven't listened to it in some ages, lol. But I'll try and explain from memory:
When I first listened to this particular song, I felt it was deeply personal to Michael. He was honest with us about his pain and torment over the lost but he not only revealed his pain and despair about the ending of this relationship with his special secret someone, he also revealed something elese, and when I heard it in the song, because of the tears he openly share and shed; I was completely disturbed and felt utter compassion for him, even though I admit, I was confused at first but fast forward years later, there has been so many clues and other mentions to come out about his life that it started to make a little sense to me.

I know this is hard to follow, but I want you to find it. You need to listen to the song again and listen very. very carefully at the chorus and/or adlibs( can't remember), but in it, Michael reveals the possibility of "why". He doesn't reveal it completely, but he hints as to an explanation of why it's over.
AllForMJ was right, he was going back and forth in this song. His heart was conflicted, it was out of his hands and it seems hers as well.
One tiny sentence in the song explains it and It wouldn't make sense at all WITHOUT the series of things that would take place and be said years later.....................................

Michael reveals a "possible" Clue in this song, can you find it?
 
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them..!"

:angel:-Galileo Galilei
 
Okay here are the lyrics:

She's out of my life
She's out of my life
And I don't know whether to laugh or cry
I don't know whether to live or die
And it cuts like a knife
She's out of my life

It's out of my hands
It's out of my hands
To think for two years she was here
And I took her for granted I was so cavalier
Now the way that it stands
She's out of my hands

So I've learned that love's not possession
And I've learned that love won't wait
Now I've learned that love needs expression
But I learned too late

She's out of my life
She's out of my life
Damned indecision and cursed pride
Kept my love for her locked deep inside
And it cuts like a knife
She's out of my life

So, maybe it's because he had too much pride to let her inside of his heart? Or maybe he loved her, but just didn't show her that he loved her?? And I always wondered about the line "To think for two years she was here
And I took her for granted I was so cavalier". That means to me that she was around him for 2 years, but he just didn't show her how much he cared for her....
 
In my personal opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first teenage love that is way too depressing, and my least favorite compositions...
 
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In my opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first love...and really has nothing to do with the love "true love" of his life...

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I just looked up "She's Out of My Life"...according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She's_out_of_My_Life) apparently, it was written by The song was written by Tom Bahler after Karen Carpenter broke up with him upon discovering he had fathered a child with another woman.[1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She's_out_of_My_Life#cite_note-0
 
I think that MJ is just an adorable, sensitive guy and he heard this song, and it got to him as he recorded it. That's my opinion of it. I don't think any one girl/woman was involved then.
 
I think that MJ is just an adorable, sensitive guy and he heard this song, and it got to him as he recorded it. That's my opinion of it. I don't think any one girl/woman was involved then.

I agree he is very romantic, sensitive, and kind...but...I do think the composition really does have to do with teenage love...

The past is the past...and life goes on~~~

:cheers:
 
I just looked up "She's Out of My Life"...according to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She's_out_of_My_Life) apparently, it was written by The song was written by Tom Bahler after Karen Carpenter broke up with him upon discovering he had fathered a child with another woman.[1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She's_out_of_My_Life#cite_note-0



In the 70's when that song was out, the radio dj's talked as if it was about actress Tatum O'neal, they were a hot young couple back then, I remember having magazines with tons of pics of the two of them hand in hand, they were spotted everywhere in L. A.

Like most people assume ''womanzier" by britney is about f-fed the same would be how most
people thought of, "she's out of my life.
 
In my personal opinion, "She Is Out of My Life" is about Mr.Jackson's first teenage love that is way too depressing, and my least favorite compositions...



I believe this is correct. (the part about the song)
 
In the 70's when that song was out, the radio dj's talked as if it was about actress Tatum O'neal, they were a hot young couple back then, I remember having magazines with tons of pics of the two of them hand in hand, they were spotted everywhere in L. A.

Like most people assume ''womanzier" by britney is about f-fed the same would be how most
people thought of, "she's out of my life.

:angel:Ok I will rephrase that...Young love..
 
One thing I know...
Just because one person writes a song about something from their own life (such as in She's Out of My Life), doesn't mean the person recording it can't apply it to their own life. There's some songs I am currently recording that someone else wrote that I am deeply immersed in because I see myself in the lyrics. And it really, really gets to me. When Michael was singing that song, he felt his own pain, and probably the author's as well (fast forward to Billie Jean). Gotta go.
 
Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.
 
Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.
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"Invincible" is a very important album. It really gives us a sense of where MJ was in his life at the time that he recorded it. Because he is a very gifted singer, and he is not ashamed of expressing his feelings, we're able to go back and listen to this important album and tell just how far along he has come. We're able to see that he is moving away from the hurtful things that he's had to endure for so long. Isn't it great that he's been able to make it through his trying times?

Some have tried to write this album off, but it is a very important album. This album marks the turning point in MJ's life. It's the album where he sheds the last of his anguish before leaving it behind. Now, his life is getting better. He's now able to move forward and reach for more joyful things.

That was a really nice summary of "Invincible," mjroxworld. Really, really nice. :yes: :flowers:

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.
The person that he is flirting with is someone new. "The Way You Love Me" is where he's placed the clue. In "The Way You Love Me" he says, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." He also says, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." This is not something that he would say to someone that he already knows. It is something that he would say to someone he is getting to know and his love for her is starting to grow. He can also tell that God played a part in him meeting her. That's the reason for thanking the Heavens above.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds... :yes:
 
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Regarding almost all of the Invincible album, there is a story being told. At the outset, he let's EVERYONE know that NOTHING is going to get him down, with "Unbreakable". "Heartbreaker" seems to be one of those things that shows the power women have and the games that they play with a guy's emotions. You know, reelin' him in and dropping him like no thing. Cruel joke. "Invincible" there's some desperate need for convincing going on. Like, 'I'm the one, just please I beg you, let me in because I can show you how love should really be.' Now, "Break of Dawn", wow. Now that is a powerfully intimate love song. He finally gets to talk to her, it's a continuation of the previous song, in a sense. And is telling her his romantic dreams for them (because it is written in future tense - things he would like to do with her). He also talks about old courtship memories, and how he would like to see their relationship go to a new level, on that is more intimate. "Heaven Can Wait", also beautiful, continues with his telling of just how devoted he is to her. And with "You Rock My World", he's continuing. He also talks about how long he's been waiting for her, the perfect love. "Butterflies" wasn't written by him, but you get a sense of longing, like she is still just out of reach. "Speechless" he's still continuing to pronounce his love for her, still trying to reach her, still trying to tell her how he feels. I won't go into "2000 Watts" because there is so much speculation to the meaning. HOwever, for some reason there is a break with the love songs. Next is "You Are My Life", written for his children, with a possible double meaning that may be aimed at a lady. "Privacy" obviously talks about paparazzi and how much he is hurt and angry. But where'd the lady go? Did she finally come to him? It looks like she did, but they ended up having to separate again, after all. she left, because next is "Don't Walk Away". But once again, he is begging and pleading with her, but they both know there is a reason that she has to leave. Could be, the "Privacy" issue. He's confused, doesn't know what to do, but ultimately tells her he won't forget her even though he knows the separation has to occur. "Cry" and "The Lost Children" are the album's awareness anthems. After that is "Whatever Happens", which seems to go along with "Don't Walk Away" in a weird sense. The couple is afraid, but trying to reassure each other that everything's gong to be alright, even though they've gotten themselves in a bit of a pickle. But at the end, she says, "It's you that makes me happy." So, it is affirmed that he did get her for some amount of time after all, but something has happened that would cause a possible separation. But even through the separation, they're still kind of together. "Threatened" is just too deep for an explanation...it's like a prophecy or something. It's very disturbing, like it's from a nightmare he's had, somewhat disconnected. He talks about monsters, Neverland, judgement, etc. At the end it says "What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning." He KNEW something else was afoot. And he was right. And he knew he couldn't drag the love of his life through the hell that was about to happen.

He said a lot with this particular album. But we know that by the end of it, his lady wasn't there. She was gone, probably somewhere safe.

But with later songs, he continues to declare love to her, in a different way than this album. It's more confident and lovely with a sense of togetherness rather than the pleading that is done on Invincible. Now he's really flirting with her, happily and carefree, like two lovebirds, and she's flirting back. They are together in spirit and emotion, just not often physically in the same place. For now that seems to be best.


mjroxworld! You are Brillant! What you said about Invincible and the song, "don't walk away" are clues I picked up on too. Michael confirms to us towards the end of '' don't walk away" that a separation from his lady love was coming. The lyrics to that part are :" even though, I HAD to let you go". It's repeated over again a few times. The word "Had" towards the end puts this song in prospective. It's a major clue, implying that something around him wasn't right and he felt the need for whatever reason; to make a sacrifice and it seems the sacrifice was his own private relationship with someone whom he loved deeply. You can tell in this song that he is torn, conflicted and confused. He is in despair. He doesn't want an end but knows it has to be this way. One of the saddest lyric in this song is also another clue that this is the same love of whom he continues to serenade, Let me explain: Towards the ending, he sings this adlib :" I won't forget you girl". He is singing with conviction, these words meant something to him then and NOW. How do we know for certain? Cause he told us so................................... Fast forward to 6/26/05 in a statement released before he takes off for some R & R he says this in part: "I will never forget you. Your ever-present love, held me, dried my tears and carried me through".

He was making a promise to her that he was willing to keep, no matter what the circumstances.

Remember what we said about this statement when we first started examining it? We said there were clues in it for her, due to the direct (and Romantic) way Michael worded his notes and messages to us.
 
mjroxworld! You are Brillant! What you said about Invincible and the song, "don't walk away" are clues I picked up on too. Michael confirms to us towards the end of '' don't walk away" that a separation from his lady love was coming. The lyrics to that part are :" even though, I HAD to let you go". It's repeated over again a few times. The word "Had" towards the end puts this song in prospective. It's a major clue, implying that something around him wasn't right and he felt the need for whatever reason; to make a sacrifice and it seems the sacrifice was his own private relationship with someone whom he loved deeply. You can tell in this song that he is torn, conflicted and confused. He is in despair. He doesn't want an end but knows it has to be this way. One of the saddest lyric in this song is also another clue that this is the same love of whom he continues to serenade, Let me explain: Towards the ending, he sings this adlib :" I won't forget you girl". He is singing with conviction, these words meant something to him then and NOW. How do we know for certain? Cause he told us so................................... Fast forward to 6/26/05 in a statement released before he takes off for some R & R he says this in part: "I will never forget you. Your ever-present love, held me, dried my tears and carried me through".

He was making a promise to her that he was willing to keep, no matter what the circumstances.

Remember what we said about this statement when we first started examining it? We said there were clues in it for her, due to the direct (and Romantic) way Michael worded his notes and messages to us.
Yeah, you can tell that he is torn in "Don't Walk Away." The way that he keeps going back and forth in this song shows that he is singing about an on-and-off relationship. This person kept walking in and out of his life. She'd come back and he'd get used to her being there, and then she'd leave again. You can tell this was happening because he said, "How can I stop losing you?"

He was going back and forth while singing about it because she was going back and forth while being with him. He couldn't make up his mind about letting her go or keeping her, because she couldn't make up her mind about staying with him or leaving him.

What was up with her? If she wasn't coming back to stay, then what was she coming back for?

Those back and forth relationships are nerve-racking. Isn't amazing that MJ was able to put that into a song? Baby can sing!
 
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AllForMJ, as I am sitting here reading your post, I am struck by the sentence you typed:" how can I stop losing you". What song does that sentence look like? "I just can't stop loving you". In both are the word: STOP. I didnt think of this until now, but what this could imply is the fact that Michael may have felt the end of this relationship was somehow abrupt for him and out of his hands. Why do I say that? because Michael has given us clues through the years of the possibility of outside sources playing a role in the demise of his personal happiness.

Take for instance his adlib at the end of "heaven can wait". He sings, "leave us alone. leave us alone. please leave us alone". he sounds broken and hopeless, he is begging and pleading but he sounds as though he has no more energy left inside. These adlibs indicate something was trying to come between he and his lady love, I often wondered how come he added them at the end of this particular song. It didn't not make sense at first.

Also, in the dangerous dvd he gives us the words/lyrics at bottom of screen. In "who is it" he says something that can't even be made out on the actual cd. on the dvd, he says "They trying to make me crazy". I found this to be alarming, especially when you look at the video. The video shows other people invovled in a bad way. I don't fully understand all of these particular clues but they have to connect with Michael's personal life in some way because he keep linking clues about her with other things. Michael is telling us, other people played a role.

On The Bad Special Edition, what did Quincy tell us about Michael's life? He said it was "Complex" and "Complicated". Boy, he wasn't kidding.

I have more but I have to get busy now.
 
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"Invincible" is a very important album. It really gives us a sense of where MJ was in his life at the time that he recorded it. Because he is a very gifted singer, and he is not ashamed of expressing his feelings, we're able to go back and listen to this important album and tell just how far along he has come. We're able to see that he is moving away from the hurtful things that he's had to endure for so long. Isn't it great that he's been able to make it through his trying times?

Some have tried to write this album off, but it is a very important album. This album marks the turning point in MJ's life. It's the album where he sheds the last of his anguish before leaving it behind. Now, his life is getting better. He's now able to move forward and reach for more joyful things.

That was a really nice summary of "Invincible," mjroxworld. Really, really nice. :yes: :flowers:


The person that he is flirting with is someone new. "The Way You Love Me" is where he's placed the clue. In "The Way You Love Me" he says, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." He also says, "I was alone. There was no love in my life. I was afraid of life and you came in time." This is not something that he would say to someone that he already knows. It is something that he would say to someone he is getting to know and his love for her is starting to grow. He can also tell that God played a part in him meeting her. That's the reason for thanking the Heavens above.

So the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds... :yes:

Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago.

But you are right, this IS a very important album, a very sequential album, one that tells a story by it's very nature. ANd I'm glad you like my insight.
 
Yeah, you can tell that he is torn in "Don't Walk Away." The way that he keeps going back and forth in this song shows that he is singing about an on-and-off relationship. This person kept walking in and out of his life. She'd come back and he'd get used to her being there, and then she'd leave again. You can tell this was happening because he said, "How can I stop losing you?"

He was going back and forth while singing about it because she was going back and forth while being with him. He couldn't make up his mind about letting her go or keeping her, because she couldn't make up her mind about staying with him or leaving him.

What was up with her? If she wasn't coming back to stay, then what was she coming back for?

Those back and forth relationships are nerve-racking. Isn't amazing that MJ was able to put that into a song? Baby can sing!

Absolutely! You hit the nail on the head. ;) And you can see, throughout all of his albums, this in-and-out relationship between them. It's very complex, and there's more to it than meets the eye - or, ear, anyway, lol

Hammer that nail in, AllForMJ! Popcorn, anyone? lol
 
Somehow I don't think it's someone new. Maybe he had rediscovered her. There was a separation time, probably a long time, and therefore he would have been alone with no one there. But just in the nick of time, she came back. And he thanks the heavens that he met her in the first place, whenever that was. OR, these phrases are referring to when he first met her, long, long ago.

But you are right, this IS a very important album, a very sequential album, one that tells a story by it's very nature. ANd I'm glad you like my insight.


I get the exact same thing from his clues as stated in this post. He rediscovered an old flame. Michael's clues are about a love requited.
 
Popcorn with extra butter pleeeeease! lol :popcorn:

It seems like it should really be hard to capture that on and off stuff in a song the way that he did it! Mike's got skills!! He truly is a gifted recording artist. :yes:
 
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Yes, Michael really does have a gift, but of course it comes from above. He just has a certain way of communicating, whether through song, silence, speech, or body, that most people don't realize nor appreciate. it isn't something learned, it is something given special.

Although he mostly sings, his silence about something, even on an album full of music, is also important. For example on Invincible all of a sudden the girl is no longer sung about...and at a critical time, too. Just when it looks like they are together, bam, the album goes with an entirely different theme. She left again, and this was evidenced by Don't Walk Away. So his silence about her for the rest of the album is apparant as he turns his focus onto other things. He has the tendency towards silent treatments with people, too. This says a LOT. He also speaks volumes without opening his mouth. Just a look can say, "I'm interested" or "don't even go there" or "I'm anxious" or "I'm feeling your pain" or even "ooh, I think I really dig you", lol, or "I am looking straight into your very soul". His body language can say "I'm feeling nervous", "I'm feeling sad", "I'm feeling joyful/playful", "I'm feeling confident" or "I'm feeling sexy", etc. Michael simply doesn't have to SAY anything to let people know what he is feeling. His eyes and his body and his music...and even his absence...do it for him.
 
AllForMJ, as I am sitting here reading your post, I am struck by the sentence you typed:" how can I stop losing you". What song does that sentence look like? "I just can't stop loving you". In both are the word: STOP. I didnt think of this until now, but what this could imply is the fact that Michael may have felt the end of this relationship was somehow abrupt for him and out of his hands. Why do I say that? because Michael has given us clues through the years of the possibility of outside sources playing a role in the demise of his personal happiness.

Take for instance his adlib at the end of "heaven can wait". He sings, "leave us alone. leave us alone. please leave us alone". he sounds broken and hopeless, he is begging and pleading but he sounds as though he has no more energy left inside. These adlibs indicate something was trying to come between he and his lady love, I often wondered how come he added them at the end of this particular song. It didn't not make sense at first.

Also, in the dangerous dvd he gives us the words/lyrics at bottom of screen. In "who is it" he says something that can't even be made out on the actual cd. on the dvd, he says "They trying to make me crazy". I found this to be alarming, especially when you look at the video. The video shows other people invovled in a bad way. I don't fully understand all of these particular clues but they have to connect with Michael's personal life in some way because he keep linking clues about her with other things. Michael is telling us, other people played a role.

On The Bad Special Edition, what did Quincy tell us about Michael's life? He said it was "Complex" and "Complicated". Boy, he wasn't kidding.

I have more but I have to get busy now.


keep it goin girl!!I love your inputs :clap:
 
Yes, Michael really does have a gift, but of course it comes from above. He just has a certain way of communicating, whether through song, silence, speech, or body, that most people don't realize nor appreciate. it isn't something learned, it is something given special.

Although he mostly sings, his silence about something, even on an album full of music, is also important. For example on Invincible all of a sudden the girl is no longer sung about...and at a critical time, too. Just when it looks like they are together, bam, the album goes with an entirely different theme. She left again, and this was evidenced by Don't Walk Away. So his silence about her for the rest of the album is apparant as he turns his focus onto other things. He has the tendency towards silent treatments with people, too. This says a LOT. He also speaks volumes without opening his mouth. Just a look can say, "I'm interested" or "don't even go there" or "I'm anxious" or "I'm feeling your pain" or even "ooh, I think I really dig you", lol, or "I am looking straight into your very soul". His body language can say "I'm feeling nervous", "I'm feeling sad", "I'm feeling joyful/playful", "I'm feeling confident" or "I'm feeling sexy", etc. Michael simply doesn't have to SAY anything to let people know what he is feeling. His eyes and his body and his music...and even his absence...do it for him.
Yeah, his silent voice can be heard. This is what the last part of the trip down memory lane is about. :yes:
 
When I imagine the numbers of women in and out of MJ's life since SITD was released its mind boggling to fathom that this is one person after all these years although of course, its not inconceivable if it was ultimately God's plan and purpose.

At the same time...

As an observer of the songs and this thread, this may seem rather 'off the wall' but all the "mixed messages" and various interpretations really stand out to me and remind me of a jigsaw puzzle (eg., she left for reasons he had no clue whatsoever vs. outside forces played a part and he was fully aware of it to sing about it/she was gone a very long time vs. she was going back and forth while she was with him /its someone new vs. it isn't someone new etc.) - - and like with a jigsaw puzzle I start with the biggest most obvious pieces first.

It seems that in the first couple of short films where there is a female who is the focal point in the story, the females seem to be generally the same character "type" (eg., Thriller, TWYMMF), then in the next couple of short films they are a different "type" from the previous and yet seem to be the same "type" as eachother (In The Closet, Remember The Time) then in the next era they are different from the previous two sets but are again the same "type" (Blood on the Dancefloor, Who Is It). ........ Its almost as if for each 'set' that I'm explaining, the women could almost pass for sisters :lol:

And I don't know if its relevant that we saw the star of one of those short films return to do his recent commercial during the emergence of T25 ... but I did find it rather interesting that he used an "older" version of the same person?

It also just occurred to me that her "sister" type was also used in the YRMW short film. (maybe that blows this theory lol)

Which reminds me of something else (to further complicate matters lol) Have you ever been doing a jigsaw puzzle and just as soon as you get excited about finding a piece that finally looks to have just the right "shape", you put it down against the true outline and lo and behold, it doesn't fit at all and as badly as you'd like to use that piece to make progress on the puzzle, you know if you do that, it will keep the surrounding pieces from fitting and mess up the entire thing?

At this point in the "puzzle", I'm wondering if its not possibly different people (maybe 3?) who may be the focus in different songs for different times although the puzzlement comes with some consistencies that do seem to flow throughout since the beginning song that started this thread, but maybe even deciphering the differences within those samenesses might lend a "clue"? or maybe deciphering the samenesses within those differences? eg., making a list of songs and noticing the ones that are clearly about the same person/situation because they're saying "xyz"-same - things and this other list of songs he's saying "x" which fits half of "y" but the other half of "y" cancels out "z" so therefore it can't be "xyz" etc. - does that make sense?

I guess I'm saying its fairly clear to me that all the songs just can't be about the same person. It doesn't add up to that to me.

oh well...

jigsaw puzzles ... especially the ones with a thousand pieces ....






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and me spending all this time to try and clarify what I'm trynna say..
 
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I know exactly what you are talking about. You think you understand something, then something happens to make you question what you just thought you had figured out..lol. It's also like having something on the tip of your tongue but not being able to get it out.

Something I was thinking, if I apply my own life experiences where some things from my past will start to come into play for my future..um.. hmm...actually if you look at the bible, how things in the start of a story seem to be leading no where or you just aren't sure what will happen or why something happened, then in the end, we see why they happened how they did, and that parts of the past have more meaning when we see the whole picture from beginning to end. Well let's just go with the theory of a woman coming to him from God.. not like hand delivered out of the sky or anything but, like God had picked her and him out for each other. Match made in heaven and whatever other mushy gushy romantic notions you could use. If God had a plan for the two of them, or just a plan...hints about this might come up before it even comes into existence, before it's a reality for the two of them. Like it is written on their heart from the time they are born or whatever, and parts of it come out of them in their creativity or what not. Then all these songs could be about various women. Michael could have meant them for the woman in his life at these particular instances. The love that comes out of himself for them is still uniquely expressed through him in his own way. That love would be the same love expressed sincerely and deeply in his special way because he is the same person. Maybe that's why it feels like sometimes it is for the same person. He has been the constant throughout all these songs regardless of the woman they were directed towards. If then finally that one woman God had in mind for him came into his life, the love that he has inside himself (though he could still have love for the ones from the past as well.. you still care) could be directed towards the new love (who maybe is really an old love if from the start if it was planned by God). Then the love songs expressing his love and feelings may fit in a more perfect way this new true love. Maybe not all will fit because maybe she wouldn't leave, or because some things will be different, but the love is still his love expressed. Just that this time it would have a happy ending (hopefully)...or no ending but a happy forever.

Does that make sense? Should I go write for Disney? They need more romance/animation films.
 
^Similar to a predetermined destiny? I do think there are signs throughout life to lead us to it. We either pay attention to the signs, ignore them, and/or are still trying to figure them out. I personally believe in fate, and that yes, there is a predetermined destiny for everyone. :)
 
keep it goin girl!!I love your inputs :clap:


Awwwwwwww and I love your support and miss you when you aren't here.

stateofshock, I totally get what you are saying and agree to it! If the theory of this thread is even half true, then it will validate how Quincy Jones described Michael's life to be TRUE.
 
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