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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Hey Everybody,

I know we've all been excited out of our minds about The press Conference and all the recent pics and footage of our Michael, but can't leave this thread out of all the fun now can we?????????

Anybody notice the ever-present Crown(s) on his lapel. Remember what we discussed their meaning could be?
 
I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.
 
now mjroxworld you made me curious and all...is there anything serious we should know? you sound like you heard that michael will die soon or something like that...
 
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mjroxworld said:
I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.
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:brow: well Cleopatra, she's said she's not going to be posting anymore


*leaves thread to check out all mjroxworld's posts and gather rock solid factual puzzle pieces*
 
no she is not only saying this state of shock ..she could say it but she wrote more than this..she said she knows something ... why is it painfull and all???thats why i asked...
 
mjroxworld said:
I have to say right now, that I don't think I'm going to be able to post on this thread much more if at all. I know you guys like hearing what I have to say, and what I have to say is the truth. But there's really not much more I CAN say, because of what I know, and who I know, and it s just becoming far too painful to talk about Michael anymore. I truly hate to leave because you guys have become friends, and I might lurk every once in while, but the pain I have in my heart because of the things I know is just too great. Have a great time talking amongst yourselves trying to figure out who and what's been in front of you the entire time. I'll talke some popcorn with me as I leave. Bye.
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mjroxworld, I am so sorry for whatever has led you to leave this thread. Indeed, you and your posts will be missed! We will be awaiting your return every now and then. However, as a suggestion to everyone else, remaining, can we avoid discussing or analyzing what is painful and move on. There is an abundance of exciting MJ News happening right now and with new songs coming the story continues.

To begin with, have anyone noticed MJ's new statement on www.michaeljacksonlive.com. There he mentions something very interesting. He begins by saying, "the time has come"...it is now I see and feel that calling once again to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel..."one in love". In this case, I believe he is expressing a dual emotion. First, his applying "one in love" to signify the uniting of all mankind to love each other truly from the heart and Second, keeping in harmony with the theme of this thread that AllForMJ has so lovingly began, "one in love" meaning that personally, he is telling all that HE is in love.

Last, but not least, I am praying for all fans worldwide, especially the ones who have contributed to this thread, if your plans are to attend any or all of the Arena 02 Concerts to get tickets --- MAY YOUR MJ DREAM COME TRUE!!!

Love You All!!!

PS...Moddie777, I do recall the discussion about his ever-present crown(s) within this thread. But, if you have anything further to add regarding this after seeing it on his lapel, please hurry back to share details. I said, "hurry up"...:D
 
cleopatra1975 said:
no she is not only saying this state of shock ..she could say it but she wrote more than this..she said she knows something ... why is it painfull and all???thats why i asked...
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hmm yes I see and the more I think about it she didn't say she'll never post again, just not as much so maybe she'll come back to clarify. :brow: I'm wondering....as far as painfulness goes, I wonder if she means that since she 'knows' something, that its too painful to watch others be on the wrong track?

oh well, I'm suddenly reminded of the old adage which says that in actuality there are three stories, 1. "his" story, (or what ppl have said about his story) 2. "her" story, (or what ppl have said about her story) and 3. THE True story

by the time something has gone through a 'third party' its altered as shown by the game in elementary school when the teacher would tell one person a simple sentence for them to pass around the room and by the time it got back to the teacher it'd be unrecognizable :lol:
the error gets traced back to a very early transfer of the information

would the questions then be, which truth does rox know

mystygirl -great post. Your reasoning as well as moddie's and AllforMJ's has me now wondering if this one isn't perhaps a "double message" particularly where he talks about the music "connecting" :brow: "connecting"..........the proverbial 'dots' perhaps?

moddie where are you going with the 'crown' thing? :popcorn: and did I miss the closing of the limo door at last? :unsure:
 
He does love his double meanings. "This is it" double meaning and each with equal importance. (I got my concert code..woohooo!! I'm (maybe) going to the concert!!) I agree Mystery, that was a really nice post. MJRox, online when someone really knows what is going on behind the scenes, or someone makes it seem like they do, or someone THINKs they know what is going on behind the scenes, all needs to be taken with a grain of salt by those who read it, because online, anything can be said by anyone. Nothing against you at all, I just happen to take "insider" information with a grain of salt always, though I know that they could be for real. I also know they could be false. They could even believe they know, but still be wrong. So whether you say something or not in here, It's all still speculation and fine. I think we all would love to see MJ in love, but aren't considering any of this as gospel. That is what I have learned during my time online, and even in person. People can say anything, but in the end, the actions prove something true or false. It just takes time to really see the truth. Though sometimes it is never seen.
 
*coming out of lurking for a short moment*

Ape, that WAS a great post. There are LOTS of things that should be taken only with a grain of salt. People can take me as a grain of salt, for all I care. I know what I know and that is that. People believing or disbelieving me doesn't change that, nor should you spend time speculating. This is personal and has nothing to do with fans or health or anything like that, so you can chill out. All I said and meant was that I wasn't going to be here much because of my pain regarding Michael. That's it. Maybe later, IF some things change, but right now it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything. gotta go. Talk to you all later, probably more in other threads rather than this one much.
 
:huh:

Then why come here if it's that painful? This is a Michael Jackson website.

.....and why take it so personal if he is in love with someone? We all deserve to be truly happy, including Michael.
 
Hey Guys, Nothing to add about the crowns, just wanted to point out; he was wearing them again.

You guys are right, there are clues and personal hints in Michael's March 8th message on Michaeljacksonlive.com:

First and foremost with the titles, "This is it" and "The Time has come", he is saying there is/has been a Turning Point Taking place and he wants it recognized. How do we know he wants it recognized? Because he chanted "This is it" reportedly 11 times (according to one journalist) during London press Conference, and with "The time has come" , its repeated 4 times on the site. He wants to be sure we are paying attention. It is obviously important to him.
"The time has come" message as stated in earlier post could possibly have a double meaning.

"it is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, ONE IN PAIN, ONE IN LOVE, one in service and in consciousness."
Michael Jackson

With this message Michael is revealing several things, Things have to "feel" right before Michael makes a move, not only that but he has to "see" the signs all pointing in that direction in order for him to be secure.
A connection to his fans is very important to him, he craves it and may even feel he need it in order to survive. He loves us, no doubt. When performing in front of a crowd, Our love for him takes him deeper inside of himself and he feels one with that connection we give to him.
As I had talked about in a page or 2 backwards, Love has many sides especially when shared for a long period with the same person. This message reveals Michael already has that particular experience. He says: "one in joy, one in pain, one in love". If it were just ONE IN JOY, then it would only be about us and for us but thats not how he worded the message.
"One in joy, one in pain, one in love" together with the repeated titled suggest Michael's intimate thoughts as he wrote this out. It very boldly reveals a man saying he is in love and who knows both joy and pain with the one of whom he was thinking about as he wrote this out.
"One in service and in consciousness".

Remember the 2 back to back statements in November 2008? Michael used the word"consciousness in each, they were misspelled remember. We interpreted the 2nd one accompanied with Roses were for her.

"In service" is his way of recognizing he is performing a duty, a calling of sorts. He understands and accepts his role.(concert performances to come).

"consciousness" is again, Michael"s way of revealing a higher being has the most prominent role in his life. He is being Guided and not looking to man for his answers.
 
The time has come...The time has come...The time has come...The time has come.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in conciousness.

-Michael Jackson
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I love Michael's style of writing. It does so many things all at once.

Also, it's not too surprising to see the two bolded words in there. Afterall, he did sing about being in love.
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Also, it can be read from a biblical angle as well. I'll have to find the Bible verse. Michael loves The Word.
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
hmm yes I see and the more I think about it she didn't say she'll never post again, just not as much so maybe she'll come back to clarify. :brow: I'm wondering....as far as painfulness goes, I wonder if she means that since she 'knows' something, that its too painful to watch others be on the wrong track?

oh well, I'm suddenly reminded of the old adage which says that in actuality there are three stories, 1. "his" story, (or what ppl have said about his story) 2. "her" story, (or what ppl have said about her story) and 3. THE True story

by the time something has gone through a 'third party' its altered as shown by the game in elementary school when the teacher would tell one person a simple sentence for them to pass around the room and by the time it got back to the teacher it'd be unrecognizable :lol:
the error gets traced back to a very early transfer of the information

would the questions then be, which truth does rox know

mystygirl -great post. Your reasoning as well as moddie's and AllforMJ's has me now wondering if this one isn't perhaps a "double message" particularly where he talks about the music "connecting" :brow: "connecting"..........the proverbial 'dots' perhaps?

moddie where are you going with the 'crown' thing? :popcorn: and did I miss the closing of the limo door at last? :unsure:
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stateofshock, you must've been an awesome student. Your mind is always working and thinking, lol.
 
^ LOL!!! the good news - I'm not alone here :cheeky:


:giggle: but its fun inn't it
 
mjroxworld said:
*coming out of lurking for a short moment*

Ape, that WAS a great post. There are LOTS of things that should be taken only with a grain of salt. People can take me as a grain of salt, for all I care. I know what I know and that is that. People believing or disbelieving me doesn't change that, nor should you spend time speculating. This is personal and has nothing to do with fans or health or anything like that, so you can chill out. All I said and meant was that I wasn't going to be here much because of my pain regarding Michael. That's it. Maybe later, IF some things change, but right now it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything. gotta go. Talk to you all later, probably more in other threads rather than this one much.
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well, as a witness to this discussion, i have to say, I don't see where there's anything that sounded like any type of 'indictment' in any way in what Ape posted because she was referring to a 'principle' more than a person. She didn't exaggerate imho. She seemed to even make an extra effort to make sure it wasn't taken 'personal' so you wouldn't feel its about you and I feel to say it because I feel you misunderstood.

What she said about the 'grain of salt rule' is true, lets face it:
He does love his double meanings. "This is it" double meaning and each with equal importance. (I got my concert code..woohooo!! I'm (maybe) going to the concert!!) I agree Mystery, that was a really nice post. MJRox, online when someone really knows what is going on behind the scenes, or someone makes it seem like they do, or someone THINKs they know what is going on behind the scenes, all needs to be taken with a grain of salt by those who read it, because online, anything can be said by anyone. Nothing against you at all, I just happen to take "insider" information with a grain of salt always, though I know that they could be for real. I also know they could be false. They could even believe they know, but still be wrong. So whether you say something or not in here, It's all still speculation and fine. I think we all would love to see MJ in love, but aren't considering any of this as gospel. That is what I have learned during my time online, and even in person. People can say anything, but in the end, the actions prove something true or false. It just takes time to really see the truth. Though sometimes it is never seen.
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I can understand what she means. I take insider info with a PILLAR of salt because first I believe a true 'insider' is going to keep everything where it belongs - on the inside - no matter what - and I believe nothing at the onset due to "third party" rules always in effect, not to mention motives of frail human beings, so please know, it isn't about whether what you're feeling is valid in our eyes, or not. Its only about why you chose to share what you did, the purpose of it, I mean, as it relates to this thread. Most things people don't contribute, they don't announce anything, they just don't contribute. See? I hope that made sense. Its not about what you know, or not. That's all I'm sayinig, and this is nothing against you either. Its simply a lack of adequate completion of communication. We feel something is 'missing' since you said as much as you did by telling us you're saying nothing, imho. Just trying to try and explain this mess :lol: :doh: and at the end of the day, it ain't all that serious, but i just wanted to get that 'said', thanks - oh p.s. - we have been a "sorrorihood" (made up word I guess lol) no matter what - these are just 'comments' nothing more - nothing can change that we've all been in this together :D right? :unsure:

:)

:unsure: you know what? I feel what we have overlooked here is your pain mjjroxworld :( I mean really. I just re-read your post and you said,
it just hurts too much to speak much about him, listen to him, see him, everything
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:( ouch

sorry if we're being too 'hard' on ya (well the 'we' being anyone who's feelin' this)
 
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Well even I didn't think I'd be back so soon, actually. But even though I still have a certain amount of pain, I am getting through it, I am feeling a bit better. It still may be a while before I can bring myself to do much of those things I talked about, and I have a lot of confusion going on that as you can imagine is quite frustrating. But at least I was able to bring myself to actually get a ticket for one of Michael's performances. Right now, those performances are the love of his life and his focus.

By the way, one thing I CAN clear up, for any of you who MIGHT be confused (which was NOT my intention): I am NOT Michael's girlfriend. So that can get nipped in the bud right now. The pain I have is real, though, and I don't expect anyone here to understand. I don't want anymore speculation over me. My situation isn't worth it. So please, go on talking about Michael and your quite wonderful interpretations. I'll probably pop in here every so often, just because I can't seem to stay away. :)
 
I totally agree with state of shock. I m a bit afraid sometimes to tell my opinion and i like to read that someone can talk openly what they think without hurting anyone..kudos for that.
 
:hug: @ mjrox. You know, MJ fans (many of them) are a really understanding and comforting bunch. People do care. We may not know your situation, but we will try to understand and we don't have to know your situation to wish you were doing better and feeling happier.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand. I was reminded of something and maybe it's already been mentioned. Back in that Bashir interview (which I like if I just ignore the idiot snake who stands beside MJ throughout it) MJ mentions that he doesn't usually buy Jewelery unless for a woman who he likes. He is then asked if he likes anyone and he says not right now. I haven't found her (or something to that effect). Not too long ago we saw him not only buying, but designing some jewelery as well! So.... one could interpret this to be more proof of our theory. (I know both things were mentioned in this thread, but wasn't sure if they were put together)
 
Michael's style of writing really shows how spiritual he is and that he reads his Bible often. He applies the words of the Bible to his life. He is someone that loves the Lord and all of the Lord's work.

His style of writing also does more than one thing simultaneously...

If we look at what he said during his farewell/concerts announcement in London...what he's recently placed on his website...the fact that we know he believes in the Bible and that he has been singing Bible verses to us in many of his songs over the years...and that he was also going door to door passing out the Watch Tower even after becoming a superstar, we will notice the below Bible passage is intertwined with his farewell and unity messages.

MJ Announcing "This Is It" Performances in London

"Thank you all. This is it. This is it! This is it! I just want to say that these will be my final show performances in London. This will be it. This is it. When I say this is it, it really means this is it. I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. This is it. I mean, this is really it. This is the final curtain call. I'll see you in July. I love you. I really do, you have to realize that, I love you so much. Really, from the bottom of my heart. This is it. See you in July!"

Message from MJ's New Website

The time has come...the time has come...the time has come...the time has come.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love, one in service and in conciousness.

-Michael Jackson

2 Corinthians 13:11

11 Finally, brethren, farewell. Become complete. Be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

******************

Michael is winding down his musical journey in a very sweet and exciting way. He is also trying to give the world one last big final boost. He's coming out to push that message of global unity.

He is a good man. He's strong and he was born with numerous musical gifts. He uses his mega stardom and God-given talents in a very loving and productive way. This is why God has given him the biggest fan base in the world.

Michael is about to kick off a global party to boost our spirits so we all will push forward and get through this global crisis. :yes:

Is that sweet or what?! :wub:

Also...

Because he has been singing songs about being in love, his last message can be interpreted as if he's thinking about wedding vows too.

It is now I see and feel that calling once again, to be part of a music that will not just connect but, make all feel one, one in joy, one in pain, one in love
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If we look at this and think about wedding vows, we will think of "for better or for worse..." If we think about him saying "two hearts belong so well" as he did in "For All Time," and if we look at it from a biblical angle, we will think of this...

Genesis 2:24
This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.

If MJ is ever going to get to the part of his life story that says, "and they lived happily ever after," it seems like it would have to occur after he is done entertaining the masses. But, he is not going to just walk away from the masses. He seems like he would start winding things down. He would most likely do it this way because he has established a very special bond with the world and he appreciates it. His friendship with the world means a lot to him.
 
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Thanks, Moddie777! Don't you just love MJ's personality? It is his personality that makes it easy to speak about him from a spiritual standpoint. He actually applies the Bible to his life. It shows all the time. It shows in his words and in his deeds.

He's a sweetie...

Now that his new album is getting closer, I am sooooo looking forward to hearing Big Mike's newest love song(s). Little Mike was always good at singing love songs and Big Mike is even better.
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Moddie777 said:
Hey Everybody,

I know we've all been excited out of our minds about The press Conference and all the recent pics and footage of our Michael, but can't leave this thread out of all the fun now can we?????????

Anybody notice the ever-present Crown(s) on his lapel. Remember what we discussed their meaning could be?
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:D :D :D :D :D

No, you tell me. :)
 
Crown(s) on his lapel?!! Oh wow!! Let me go and check that out!!

He's still sending that honey love message, huh? Mike is so sprung! :lol:

Those newly recorded love songs are going to be something else...
 
I haven't been here in quite some time and I havent had a chance to read all posts given that this thread is pages upon pages now. But from what I read that MJROXWORLD has shared seems to have a lot of truth in it!
There has been only one woman in MJ's life and all the songs are about the 2birds and what they have been put through in the last 25 years. The last 2 messages about 'this is it' and 'the time has come'... are about MJ focused on making it real, the real presence of togetherness ...the where, how and when to make things happen and to make things right and he is determined! Within the next day or two or week or two things will change ...all the surprises and celebrations etc will happen in north america before the tour concerts in London otherwise everything will be postponed or cancelled including the new singles and album, etc. I have faith and belief in MJ and know that he will pop up somewhere soon and everything will be perfect!
 
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