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oh yes I remember this poem now thanks for posting it
just out of curiousity, are the CAPS yours or his? If yours I can see your point about waiting, lonliness and despair. Well, if his, I can see the same of course.
this was written over 15 years ago :scratch:
just out of curiousity, are the CAPS yours or his? If yours I can see your point about waiting, lonliness and despair. Well, if his, I can see the same of course.
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My point at the end of the poem was NOT about any clues from the dated poem but the clues he has been giving us recently which is why I put in the word "now".
The caps are mine so you could see/get the point of my post where I mentioned those words.
hope this helps ya, lol.
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Something elese about the poem '"The last Tear" I failed to point out. Reread the very last sentence of the poem.
Sounds familiar? It links to the NEWLY added bridge of "For all time" from T25, when in it he sings this line: "owwwwww the rain may wash away". Translates to, Tears being wiped away in the end on a special day for the both of them.
Sounds familiar? It links to the NEWLY added bridge of "For all time" from T25, when in it he sings this line: "owwwwww the rain may wash away". Translates to, Tears being wiped away in the end on a special day for the both of them.
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And it also ties into his song, "You Are So Beautiful"
You near dried my tears
Washed away my fears
He didn't go through the trial alone. She was with him. He wrote this during that time.
You near dried my tears
Washed away my fears
He didn't go through the trial alone. She was with him. He wrote this during that time.
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Yep! Yep! Yep!, He continues to tie in and link current lyrics and hidden messages with dated material which further suggest a love requitted and from his past.
Yes, he told us she was there. Amazing.
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*Goosebumps, go away!*
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So the love story continues as the mystery unfolds...
:yes:
:yes:
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Don't you guys just love the way he's acting right now? He has perked up so much with his romantic self. :wub:
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i think u guys are over analysing things waaayyy to much, he wuld probaly laugh if he read this thread lol.
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If he were to read this thread and laugh, that's quite alright. Rather have him laugh than cry anyway. He'll probably just say, "Chicks being chicks as usual." LOL
Besides, it's a lot better than what Sneddon and the media were doing to him. At least we are not beating up on him for being a beautiful person. We're merely pointing out the beautiful things he's been saying, writing and singing lately.
:yes:
Example:
This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for
(Hold my hand)
We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)
'Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be all right
'Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight
Simply beautiful....
In "The Way You Love Me" he mentioned the dark. In "One More Chance" he mentioned the cold. In "Hold My Hand" he mentioned a solution for getting through both.
Besides, it's a lot better than what Sneddon and the media were doing to him. At least we are not beating up on him for being a beautiful person. We're merely pointing out the beautiful things he's been saying, writing and singing lately.
:yes:
Example:
This life don't last forever
(Hold my hand)
So tell me what we're waiting for
(Hold my hand)
We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
(Hold my hand)
'Cause I've been there before
And you've been there before
But together we can be all right
'Cause when it gets dark
And when it gets cold
We hold each other till we see the sunlight
Simply beautiful....
In "The Way You Love Me" he mentioned the dark. In "One More Chance" he mentioned the cold. In "Hold My Hand" he mentioned a solution for getting through both.
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possiblity... or maybe he'd spin around real fast and become the demon from Ghosts and invade everyone up in here like he did the mayor so we'd have an idea how it feels when its done to us?
hmm.. contemplates it.... one just never knows
well back to other things... skips out of thread before any demons appear
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Hmmmm. That's a thought. :lol:
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Nah, I am sure not. No one here is on a rampage after him. We are all just well wishing. Can't see him being upset about that. If he didn't like people contemplating his music, why would he release it?
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Of course not.. it is SPECULATION based on his music lyrics and things he's said. What is wrong with that? Is it any different than fan fiction? He is not our best friend, he doesn't need to answer, at the same time, it is fine and natural to be curious isn't it? To want to know the story behind things. If that was not the case, The Mona Lisa would not be famous.
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I just thought that if someone said something in here, or contemplated something that would cause another to do something drastic (ghost) that would imply that something wrong was done.. but I might have to go look at your post again because maybe I misunderstood your intent or meaning.
I guess I just don't understand your post then.
Do you think he would be that furious by reading this thread that it would cause him to be inspired to make a "Ghosts" sequel? Could you imagine that? lol... These old bittys (sorry for describing us as such) sitting around gossiping about who is with whom and what he means when he says this or that.. and he comes around to scare us all off our rockers for having cupids arrows in our eyes.
I guess I just don't understand your post then.
Do you think he would be that furious by reading this thread that it would cause him to be inspired to make a "Ghosts" sequel? Could you imagine that? lol... These old bittys (sorry for describing us as such) sitting around gossiping about who is with whom and what he means when he says this or that.. and he comes around to scare us all off our rockers for having cupids arrows in our eyes.
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Besides, it's a lot better than what Sneddon and the media were doing to him. At least we are not beating up on him for being a beautiful person. We're merely pointing out the beautiful things he's been saying, writing and singing lately.
I appreciate this part the most from your post. Totally agree with it! Unfortunately, I have seen first hand how many fans seem to like Michael better when they know he is alone, sad and possibly isolated from the rest of the world as opposed to him being / behaving as if he is personally happy, uplifted, and hopeful. As long as MIchael fit the safe image created of him by his public the better others can feel about their fantasies of him.
Loving someone honestly and purely is also loving without condition and accepting them and their decisions even when it doesn't include you.
We are celebrating the Love he is putting out. Join us don't condem us. Understand us, don't hate on us.
I appreciate this part the most from your post. Totally agree with it! Unfortunately, I have seen first hand how many fans seem to like Michael better when they know he is alone, sad and possibly isolated from the rest of the world as opposed to him being / behaving as if he is personally happy, uplifted, and hopeful. As long as MIchael fit the safe image created of him by his public the better others can feel about their fantasies of him.
Loving someone honestly and purely is also loving without condition and accepting them and their decisions even when it doesn't include you.
We are celebrating the Love he is putting out. Join us don't condem us. Understand us, don't hate on us.
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If MJ was not sending out a very loving feeling, this thread would have ended months ago. There never would have been anything there to talk about.
In 2003, when MJ recorded "One More Chance, " how did he find it within himself to sing a song about wanting a particular person so much that the song ends with "I can't stop loving you?" He recorded this during a time that the media was all over him and treating him very badly. He was going through what many call a media storm. In this song he even asked for shelter. That's some coincidence. Although I don't believe it is one.
What was it that made him feel compelled to work on "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me" while fighting for his life? How did he find the strength to do this and pour so much love into it? What was he drawing the sound of happiness from during such a dismal time...enough to end "The Way You Love Me" with "Lalalala...?" He could not have brought forth such a lovely sound if the feeling wasn't there to create it. Especially with him being a recording artist that doesn't sing what he doesn't mean.
So, what sparked it? Where was the feeling and sound coming from and why was it able to override the hurt and continue on?
Over analyzing? I don't think so. It's all right there within plain view. It's in the words. It's in his tone of voice. It's also in stereo.
In 2003, when MJ recorded "One More Chance, " how did he find it within himself to sing a song about wanting a particular person so much that the song ends with "I can't stop loving you?" He recorded this during a time that the media was all over him and treating him very badly. He was going through what many call a media storm. In this song he even asked for shelter. That's some coincidence. Although I don't believe it is one.
What was it that made him feel compelled to work on "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me" while fighting for his life? How did he find the strength to do this and pour so much love into it? What was he drawing the sound of happiness from during such a dismal time...enough to end "The Way You Love Me" with "Lalalala...?" He could not have brought forth such a lovely sound if the feeling wasn't there to create it. Especially with him being a recording artist that doesn't sing what he doesn't mean.
So, what sparked it? Where was the feeling and sound coming from and why was it able to override the hurt and continue on?
Over analyzing? I don't think so. It's all right there within plain view. It's in the words. It's in his tone of voice. It's also in stereo.
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Ok.. so I got thinking.. and I don't mind when that happens...but we could all very well be on the right track with this. We could be accurately interpreting things....but maybe friend is right? Maybe I am wrong. Maybe he would be bothered by us openly discussing so in depth the things that are so close to his heart no matter if he released them for the rest of the world to hear or not. Maybe he just wishes to share the music. Not so we will discect it to find out more about him, but so that we will enjoy the truth that it brings to our own lives.
What if we are taking this too far? Are we? Maybe he doesn't want to leave himself out so vulnerable and bare. Maybe we wouldn't want others to discuss our own lives so intimately. I guess if he is in love, we can just be happy for him and leave it at that?
At first I wondered about discussing such things online like this...the personal private matters of his life.. but then I thought, it's just speculation. No different from a fan fiction. So what is the harm.
I'm not him to know how he would feel. I wish he could answer that, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't. So.... I don't know. I am having one of those moral dilemas. Maybe someone could help me to see his possible side or views on this?
What if we are taking this too far? Are we? Maybe he doesn't want to leave himself out so vulnerable and bare. Maybe we wouldn't want others to discuss our own lives so intimately. I guess if he is in love, we can just be happy for him and leave it at that?
At first I wondered about discussing such things online like this...the personal private matters of his life.. but then I thought, it's just speculation. No different from a fan fiction. So what is the harm.
I'm not him to know how he would feel. I wish he could answer that, but I am pretty sure he wouldn't. So.... I don't know. I am having one of those moral dilemas. Maybe someone could help me to see his possible side or views on this?
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Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?
But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.
Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?
But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.
Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?
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I don't know.. I really like the thread and thought it actually did some good. I haven't exactly asked MJ if he minds or not.....lol. Not sure if anyone here is able to.
I would miss it, I won't lie. I think it's a really sweet positive thing in a time when there really isn't much we can see happening. I think it might even be preparing those who could have difficulty with him finding a love, get used to the idea...which could only help him.
I like it.. but I am not Michael. If I knew he didn't like it, I would say, yes we probably should say goodbye to it. I know none of us here would want to hurt him in any way, purposely or inadvertently.
I am a romantic sap though.. I just love hearing about, reading about, writing about, dreaming about romance and love. REAL love though. True and honest love that lasts "for all time" and I don't like to see it end.
Ok... on second thought....
No I don't think it would be good to delete this. It is a part of who he is. Go read that post with input from a friend of mine there.. that is so moving I thought.... what they said. So much of this is something important I think. How can love ever be a bad thing? It is beautiful, and if we happen to see it....how can that be wrong? This world needs MORE love in it. It needs love, REAL love, splashed up and down and all around every crevice and corner. How can it really be a bad thing. Love is beautiful. We need to see real examples of true love, romantic love, and love that has no end. If he can be an example to us, to showing how a woman should be loved, then that is a GOOD thing. I still would love to hear his opinion on us discussing HIS love... but I hope he could see that he can be a shining light in this area as well. Teaching us about what real love is...because I think at the very least, his lyrics do that. They teach how beautiful a true love can and should be.
I would miss it, I won't lie. I think it's a really sweet positive thing in a time when there really isn't much we can see happening. I think it might even be preparing those who could have difficulty with him finding a love, get used to the idea...which could only help him.
I like it.. but I am not Michael. If I knew he didn't like it, I would say, yes we probably should say goodbye to it. I know none of us here would want to hurt him in any way, purposely or inadvertently.
I am a romantic sap though.. I just love hearing about, reading about, writing about, dreaming about romance and love. REAL love though. True and honest love that lasts "for all time" and I don't like to see it end.
Ok... on second thought....
No I don't think it would be good to delete this. It is a part of who he is. Go read that post with input from a friend of mine there.. that is so moving I thought.... what they said. So much of this is something important I think. How can love ever be a bad thing? It is beautiful, and if we happen to see it....how can that be wrong? This world needs MORE love in it. It needs love, REAL love, splashed up and down and all around every crevice and corner. How can it really be a bad thing. Love is beautiful. We need to see real examples of true love, romantic love, and love that has no end. If he can be an example to us, to showing how a woman should be loved, then that is a GOOD thing. I still would love to hear his opinion on us discussing HIS love... but I hope he could see that he can be a shining light in this area as well. Teaching us about what real love is...because I think at the very least, his lyrics do that. They teach how beautiful a true love can and should be.
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He can sing about love and that's okay. He can talk about love and that's okay. He can write about love and that's okay. But, if he shows signs of being in love then some want to act like he's doing something that is highly forbidden.
Meanwhile, his fans all over the world go off and get married year after year after year without him saying anything about it. What does he have to do to be happy? Oh yeah, he has to hide the one he loves so no one will get mad at him. Is this fair? Nope. It's not fair at all.
People better get used to the idea of Michael Jackson tying the knot, because one day, that day will come. One day, he's going to say he's not going to let anything get in the way. One day, it's going to be right. And no matter how much you want to deny it, label her as his employee, or call it a PR stunt, that love is going to be real and solid as a rock.
Meanwhile, his fans all over the world go off and get married year after year after year without him saying anything about it. What does he have to do to be happy? Oh yeah, he has to hide the one he loves so no one will get mad at him. Is this fair? Nope. It's not fair at all.
People better get used to the idea of Michael Jackson tying the knot, because one day, that day will come. One day, he's going to say he's not going to let anything get in the way. One day, it's going to be right. And no matter how much you want to deny it, label her as his employee, or call it a PR stunt, that love is going to be real and solid as a rock.
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I find it baffling that some fans are SO comfortable to talk about everything under the sun about Michael Jackson EXCEPT LOVE
Oh he can be angry, violent, suppressed, victimized and violated
but he can't be in LOVE
It would seem to me that if MJ imho absolutely did not want his own fans discussing his own love songs' meanings, that he would hire a private investigatorr and have his security to go to her in person, and let everyone read about it in the paper some day
. but no....
we get a "story" from a "hero" who loves to "seranade" creating a beautiful piece of drama
and some fans can't handle it
MJ is the one doing this, whether he's actually singing to that one special someone or not .....he's the one creating the intrigue, the mystery, and the drama.....throiugh his own music ....
....and who does he do all that for....
at the end of the day you know who?
his fans.
Because MJ is a master story-teller and he uses story to entertain his fans and would I imagine be pleased to know his fans have latched onto a story in his body of work....
.. and besides ....if he is singing to one person, it seems to me that he wants his fans to enjoy that with him too and whether this is true or not, MJ would have to see how any well-intended fan would reason this way/
MJ's fans are his first love, his first "wife" ....if he is sending "double messages" via the fans, maybe it is because his first love and his true love are "one".
Wouldn;'t it be so cute if that little story in the intro of Luomo Vogue were to come true...and here we all are, his "subjects" .... watching the beautiful story unfold.
*I can't believe I'm saying all this lol * I just wish people would let others enjoy the idea that MJ's music may have a theme and a purpose beyond lamenting about society, ill treated children and pain for a change.
He's a man. A HUMAN man. He feels pain yes and he feels LOVE.
how could a person really actually turn something so special into something negative
and why should those who see the positive let that win?
Some people can't imagine Michael as an actual human being who lives somewhere besides their customized fantasies...but does that really have to become everyone's problem?
He can sing about war, pain, death, missing children and everything else
EXCEPT LOVE
i don't think so
OH p.s. I meant to mention...as for friend...
I seriously think she was just kidding lol
I meant what I said on g.p. - If this thread is gonna go for the final time, please don't let it be because of random negativity or someone's inability to choose another thread if they don't like this one
Oh he can be angry, violent, suppressed, victimized and violated
but he can't be in LOVE
It would seem to me that if MJ imho absolutely did not want his own fans discussing his own love songs' meanings, that he would hire a private investigatorr and have his security to go to her in person, and let everyone read about it in the paper some day
. but no....
we get a "story" from a "hero" who loves to "seranade" creating a beautiful piece of drama
and some fans can't handle it
MJ is the one doing this, whether he's actually singing to that one special someone or not .....he's the one creating the intrigue, the mystery, and the drama.....throiugh his own music ....
....and who does he do all that for....
at the end of the day you know who?
his fans.
Because MJ is a master story-teller and he uses story to entertain his fans and would I imagine be pleased to know his fans have latched onto a story in his body of work....
.. and besides ....if he is singing to one person, it seems to me that he wants his fans to enjoy that with him too and whether this is true or not, MJ would have to see how any well-intended fan would reason this way/
MJ's fans are his first love, his first "wife" ....if he is sending "double messages" via the fans, maybe it is because his first love and his true love are "one".
Wouldn;'t it be so cute if that little story in the intro of Luomo Vogue were to come true...and here we all are, his "subjects" .... watching the beautiful story unfold.
*I can't believe I'm saying all this lol * I just wish people would let others enjoy the idea that MJ's music may have a theme and a purpose beyond lamenting about society, ill treated children and pain for a change.
He's a man. A HUMAN man. He feels pain yes and he feels LOVE.
how could a person really actually turn something so special into something negative
and why should those who see the positive let that win?
Some people can't imagine Michael as an actual human being who lives somewhere besides their customized fantasies...but does that really have to become everyone's problem?
He can sing about war, pain, death, missing children and everything else
EXCEPT LOVE
i don't think so
OH p.s. I meant to mention...as for friend...
I seriously think she was just kidding lol
I meant what I said on g.p. - If this thread is gonna go for the final time, please don't let it be because of random negativity or someone's inability to choose another thread if they don't like this one
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You're right. .....Sometimes I just try to put myself in anothers shoes, but this time, I just couldn't see how he might feel about it. So I expressed that here.
There is nothing wrong with him being and feeling in love, and everything RIGHT about it. I want to see more and more of it from him. I want to see him beaming of happiness from achieving and receiving that love he has longed for and sung about all these years.
and come to think of it...isn't his answer right there in that poem I posted of two birds?
Also.. he doesn't sing about healing the world so we will shut up about it. He sings about this to move people to DO something. I think he sings of these subjects so they WILL be talked about. We aren't drawing out names of women he might be wanting or interested in. We are respecting his privacy in that regard. We are only marveling at the possibility of him finally achieving his desire of a true and divine love and CELebrating it! That's what weddings are. A celebration of two people committing their lives to this love, and others bearing witness to it. We are witnessing that love before it has been brought to the publics attention in such a forward manner as a wedding. That is support! That is a good thing.
There is nothing wrong with him being and feeling in love, and everything RIGHT about it. I want to see more and more of it from him. I want to see him beaming of happiness from achieving and receiving that love he has longed for and sung about all these years.
and come to think of it...isn't his answer right there in that poem I posted of two birds?
Also.. he doesn't sing about healing the world so we will shut up about it. He sings about this to move people to DO something. I think he sings of these subjects so they WILL be talked about. We aren't drawing out names of women he might be wanting or interested in. We are respecting his privacy in that regard. We are only marveling at the possibility of him finally achieving his desire of a true and divine love and CELebrating it! That's what weddings are. A celebration of two people committing their lives to this love, and others bearing witness to it. We are witnessing that love before it has been brought to the publics attention in such a forward manner as a wedding. That is support! That is a good thing.
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