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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

I have to admit, when I first heard "Beautiful Girl" much of it went right over my head. The only thing I noticed at first was that he was singing in a way that I had never heard him sing before. When I started listening to it more I was like, "Mike is sprung on someone."

Listen to his tone. He's singing in a way that says he wasn't expecting it. Like it just happened and he's trying to break it down to her. And the way that he paused near the end was almost like he was asking himself what was he doing, but then finished singing like he said to himself, "I might as well finish. I already started telling her."

I think love took him by surprise. That's what he sounds like in "Beautiful Girl." In the love songs that came out afterwards, he sounds like he's okay with it even though he had spent many years trying to shield his heart.

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Somehow, I cannot see this thread being more invasive than the actual news threads about his law suits and who is his lawyer and he was at this place and "spotted" at that place with so and so, wearing this outfit..etc. How can this really have any affect on his life? It's just a thread on a message board online about our own speculations with regards to his lyrics etc. It really shouldn't matter to him at all, unless someone in here is sharing his private details without his permission that he knows personally. I just don't see that in here.
 
I went back to look up when I had first mentioned MJ being sprung and I found it. It was back during the MJJF days in March 2006 that I said it. The first time I mentioned it, it was deleted by a Mod because I had mentioned it while talking in a news thread. That was not the right place for this type of discussion. lol

Since the first time that I mentioned it, MJ has put out "For All Time" and has recorded "Hold My Hand." Both of these songs are about the same thing--being deeply in love and wanting a particular person.

You know what else is interesting? In that March '06 post, I had said maybe one day I'll create a thread. I actually forgot I had said that. Yet, here is "Did MJ Find Love In The Dark" two years later and overall, the response is pretty positive and those that did not believe what I said in '06 are reading it.

A discussion of this type could not last if MJ is not sending out signs of being in love. There would not be anything to discuss. Just like if he was not in love during the trial, there would not have been anything for him to hold on to so strongly the way that he was. A person, who not too long ago was shedding tears while singing about love, is now singing about it joyfully. So far, he hasn't stopped. He's still feeling the same way. :yes:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=738561&highlight=sprung#post738561
 
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Ape said:
Is it? I really don't know. Can you explain more to help me understand what you mean?

oops sorry, I meant that in regards to Sdeidjs's post.
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Dear Ape & Poe,
What many do not realize, I believe that this relationship has been on going for eons, something on the order of the "Two Birds" Poem...

If we think about it...they have the perfect opportunity to share their storybook romance... They will have conquered the evil ones (Psalm 37)...They will finally be complete, be one, and continue to do what they were born to do...help others throughout the world..!

Got to be there, got to be there
In the morning
When she says hello to the world
Got to be there, got to be there
Bring her good times
And show her that shes my girl
Oh what a feeling therell be
The moment I know she loves me
cause when I look in her eyes I realize
I need her sharing her world beside me

So Ive got to be there
Got to be there in the morning
And welcome her into my world
And show her that she is my girl
When she says, hello world!
I need her sharing the world beside me

"Thats why Ive got to be there
Got to be there where love begins
And thats everywhere she goes
Ive got to be there so she knows
That when shes with me, shes home"

Got to be there
Got to be there
 
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I was mostly wondering what all you meant about the fishbowl life though..but maybe I misunderstood your post....I'll read again.and THANK YOU for this insight too...I have thought about all that before.
 
Ape...living life in a "fishbowl"...means NO privacy. Everything you do will be scrutinized, people will look at you, ask questions, autographs, etc. I'd imagine it is nearly impossible to be spontanius...everything has to be planned and organized...you can't just decide to go somewhere without careful planning (in order to have privacy, and for security reasons, etc.)...Whatever you say can (and will be) used against you in the media, people will judge you and the things you do/say/wear...If you go out not looking like a million dollars, the media will bash you...It's hard to find real friends because there are so many out there who just want money/fame themselves...or if not, it's difficult because they get dragged into the whole picture as well and they will get harrassed too even when they want no part of it. It's not an easy life and I don't know how some people can't see that or imagine how difficult it can be? Just use your imagination and think about all the thinsg you do everyday...and then imagine having someone film you at ALL times, and having someone you don't know follow you EVERYWHERE you go...

And people often say that when someone is famous, it was their choice. But then they film and talk about other people too who are with that person even when it was NOT their choice to be filmed or mentioned. (You know like friends of celebrities, their kids, staff, etc...They may NOT want to have any part of the whole "limelight" thing and would NOT want to be filmed or discussed about.)...You know, their privacy is being invaded just because they know someone who is famous and I don't think that is right.

Anyways...so that's just my opinon and "explanation" to teh whole "fishbowl" thing...
 
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Thank you Summer..I did understand what it meant, I just wondered mostly what Sdeidjs meant in her post. I wanted her to elaborate but what you wrote is good too.

I can imagine all that.. well.. and at the same time cannot imagine how it must be. I certainly don't see his life as being all roses and happy times, or he'd not have had to deal with any of the difficulties he has which most likely were things he never would have had to deal with if he were not famous. I recently have been thinking that maybe his life is less lived in a fishbowl than I had thought in the past simply because he HAS been able to keep silent the plans he has regarding ...well...his plans. He also has been able to go about his life with us having no clue what he is doing. To me that seems that this aspect of things is improving.

But I was interested to know if there was something about it all that I couldn't even think of or imagine. I guess maybe his safety and the safety of those he loves might also be an issue.
 
So maybe it's not a fishbowl (where you see EVERYTHING)...but more of an aquarium...where you can hide behind plants and stuff at times? :lol: :lol:
 
HAHAHA!! Brilliant analogy Summer. So are we people gawking at the fish and trying to find him here, or are we just the ones remembering how beautiful the fish was before he disappeared into a seashell (or sea) and have left the aquarium to create scenarios and stories about what he could possibly be doing in that shell. :huh:
 
summer said:
So maybe it's not a fishbowl (where you see EVERYTHING)...but more of an aquarium...where you can hide behind plants and stuff at times? :lol: :lol:
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Yeah! AN AQUARIUM!! And MJ is in one of those little plastic castles looking back out at US!! LOL!!

:lol :lol
 
I just think Michael's in love, period.. He expressed it in the Invincible album, he expressed it in several songs since then, including during the trial, as well as more recently. His tone has changed, his demeanor, everything. And even though through his music he is announcing to the world how much he is in love, in the world he is doing a pretty good job of protecting her and her identity. That's how precious she is to him, because he has seen already that he couldn't even be married twice without the media destroying his relationships. I think maybe he's learned that his love for someone must be kept low-key in order for it to be successful. It's okay for him to sing about it, it seems, but once he starts to speak about things, make things public, it's too much for people to handle.

Expressing himself through music is the "safe" way of communication. He's a quiet person, not only because it's his nature, but because he "has" to be. I understand that, and I am like that. A lot of people sing, just because. With nothing behind it at all. Michael sings to communicate, and so do I. I speak differently than I write/sing. It's so hard to speak about things, I mean really hard. But I can write pages upon pages upon pages of journal entries, poems, and songs, all saying the things I truly feel and want to talk about. I have so many songs, but not all of them are meant for the public to hear/see. Some are private and personal and not to be shared except for the person who it is written for, or just for myself. If Michael didn't want us to know he was in love, he would not have shared it through music made public. He would have kept the songs private. I believe that the love he has for whomever is a wonderfully beautiful thing. :)
 
mjroxworld said:
I just think Michael's in love, period.. He expressed it in the Invincible album, he expressed it in several songs since then, including during the trial, as well as more recently. His tone has changed, his demeanor, everything. And even though through his music he is announcing to the world how much he is in love, in the world he is doing a pretty good job of protecting her and her identity. That's how precious she is to him, because he has seen already that he couldn't even be married twice without the media destroying his relationships. I think maybe he's learned that his love for someone must be kept low-key in order for it to be successful. It's okay for him to sing about it, it seems, but once he starts to speak about things, make things public, it's too much for people to handle.

Expressing himself through music is the "safe" way of communication. He's a quiet person, not only because it's his nature, but because he "has" to be. I understand that, and I am like that. A lot of people sing, just because. With nothing behind it at all. Michael sings to communicate, and so do I. I speak differently than I write/sing. It's so hard to speak about things, I mean really hard. But I can write pages upon pages upon pages of journal entries, poems, and songs, all saying the things I truly feel and want to talk about. I have so many songs, but not all of them are meant for the public to hear/see. Some are private and personal and not to be shared except for the person who it is written for, or just for myself. If Michael didn't want us to know he was in love, he would not have shared it through music made public. He would have kept the songs private. I believe that the love he has for whomever is a wonderfully beautiful thing. :)
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mjroxworld, its amazing just how many other fans see almost the exact same thing we see! I totally feel you on what you said, however I must point out, I don't get the feeling Michael wants this relationship "underwraps" for too long. I honestly feel like when/if he does marry again we will know about it soon thereafter. He is proud of this love.
Unlike anything we have seen of him before; a new and better(stronger & more focused) Michael will emerge.

I also feel Michael is in a "safety" zone. I hope and pray it will continue. As long as he feels safe, he will give us and her more beautiful and heartful serenades and messages.
 
If he can sing a song like "Leave Me Alone" and people understand what he means by that, and he can sing a song like "Scream" and people understand what he means by that, then people should also be able to understand the words of "Beautiful Girl" even though it's a song about togetherness and not about some people working on his nerves.
 
Moddie777 said:
mjroxworld, its amazing just how many other fans see almost the exact same thing we see! I totally feel you on what you said, however I must point out, I don't get the feeling Michael wants this relationship "underwraps" for too long. I honestly feel like when/if he does marry again we will know about it soon thereafter. He is proud of this love.
Unlike anything we have seen of him before; a new and better(stronger & more focused) Michael will emerge.

I also feel Michael is in a "safety" zone. I hope and pray it will continue. As long as he feels safe, he will give us and her more beautiful and heartful serenades and messages.
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I agree with you. I think he is building a good and protected foundation for a strong marriage to occur, one that can't be destroyed by media or anything. It has been something he is having to learn on his own because there hasn't really been any good role models for him to go by when it comes to strong relationships. And when he does go public they will be able to weather it together. I think the media will have a heyday for a short time when the found out about a new marriage, but it will pass into old news and just be accepted because there has been nothing able to break this tie he has with this woman. Whoever it is, she should be respected for her incredible strength and support of this highly complex man and his highly public and scrutinized life! Kudos to the both of them, and may God bless them in their love for each other. :)
 
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I agree with you. I think he is building a good and protected foundation for a strong marriage to occur, one that can't be destroyed by media or anything. It has been something he is having to learn on his own because there hasn't really been any good role models for him to go by when it comes to strong relationships. And when he does go public they will be able to weather it together. I think the media will have a heyday for a short time when the found out about a new marriage, but it will pass into old news and just be accepted because there has been nothing able to break this tie he has with this woman. Whoever it is, she should be respected for her incredible strength and support of this highly complex man and his highly public and scrutinized life! Kudos to the both of them, and may God bless them in their love for each other. :)
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mjroxworld! You keep pounding that nail right on the head with each post!!!!

You are so right when you say" There has been NOTHING able to break this tie he has with THIS woman."
Certainly looks this way. And if anyone elese has been paying attention, this lady and Michael had alot of other obstacles to overcome.

I agree completely when you say: She sould be respected for her incredible strength and support. Michael told us that his strength came from her. He gave us that clue more than one time during the process of the trial and after.

He has also made it very clear, that he is inspired by her and their love. He's been saying the word: "Inspire" now more than ever before. In the last statemment alone he said it twice (I think). When he uses this word, it often has a direct verb added ( I or You).

This is a beautiful time for Michael. I am so happy for him. I can't wait for the world to see him at his very best And as fans we are going to sooooooo benefit from all of this with awesome music and great appearances and lucious photo's to drool over!!!! At least, this is the way I see it, lol.
 
AllForMJ said:
If he can sing a song like "Leave Me Alone" and people understand what he means by that, and he can sing a song like "Scream" and people understand what he means by that, then people should also be able to understand the words of "Beautiful Girl" even though it's a song about togetherness and not about some people working on his nerves.
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AllForMJ, This is a valid point and I feel the exact same way but I wouldn't worry( anymore) about trying to convince others of something that is right before them. It is right there as plain as day that Michael Jackson is in love/relationsip with a lady who he knows well and who was somewhere at that trial. Anybody who reads this thread and doesn't see that-doesn't want to see that. And it is those fans who will need our support and patience when/if the time comes for Michael to reveal her completely.
 
Moddie777 said:
mjroxworld! You keep pounding that nail right on the head with each post!!!!

You are so right when you say" There has been NOTHING able to break this tie he has with THIS woman."
Certainly looks this way. And if anyone elese has been paying attention, this lady and Michael had alot of other obstacles to overcome.

I agree completely when you say: She sould be respected for her incredible strength and support. Michael told us that his strength came from her. He gave us that clue more than one time during the process of the trial and after.

He has also made it very clear, that he is inspired by her and their love. He's been saying the word: "Inspire" now more than ever before. In the last statemment alone he said it twice (I think). When he uses this word, it often has a direct verb added ( I or You).

This is a beautiful time for Michael. I am so happy for him. I can't wait for the world to see him at his very best And as fans we are going to sooooooo benefit from all of this with awesome music and great appearances and lucious photo's to drool over!!!! At least, this is the way I see it, lol.
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*blushes* Thank you, Moddie. *blushes more*
 
I confess I do not see how you guys can be so conclusive....maybe its that I don't see all of what youall see and do wish you guys would share lyrics to clarify (that's most of the fun in it for me) .

I do see that if this is all on point, it being someone he knows very well eg., "with a tender touch you know so well" and has known a long time as time is mentioned throughout most of the recent lyrics.

I don't know of anything that supports the idea that she was at the trial, unless you mean "You Are So Beautiful" (and again, I can see how its possible it has a double meaning although its hard for me to see it in there but can see how it could have been that from his POSSIBLE perspective MAYbe) but that was TO his fans and while I do feel that his fans and his true love must be "one", I ALSO feel that is a bit of a stretch to conclude that and I truly wish I could see what you all base such an absolute conclusion on......... I am open to you guys (please lol) helping me out here.

I'm not seeing the "inspire" thing unless you're referring to the fan messages and we have to remember that is inconclusive whether it is a "double message" and only remain open to the idea that it could be....:unsure: right? :scratch:

I hope noone takes this as a "taking sides" thing or a "right and wrong" thing or anything...

I'd just like to get where you most enlightened interpreters are coming from... and song discussion is the most fun of the whole thing for me...

LOVE that you're keeping the thread going btw :yes: GOOD onya
 
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I don't take it as taking sides at all. In fact I was starting to wonder about things myself. The only way I think we will truly know what is going on with him is if he shows us...otherwise it's drawing conclusions (which can sometimes end up incorrect). I think that is one thing about Michael Jackson that I have concluded is that he just keeps us guessing... must be his way of keeping some part of his privacy.

If we are always unsure about anything because it is never conclusive, then we really never know from the outside. Though from all that has been talked about in this thread, it seems a highly likely possibility that there either was, or is a love, but it doesn't seem like he is with her, or married anyways.. based on "Hold your Hand" lyrics, which could very well be for Akon and not Michael at all. So again....we just keep on guessing.
 
I love the way he went from saying, "Tell her this for me..." in "One More Chance" to "Baby, you gotta know..." in "For All Time." That is just so sweet.

In "You Are So Beautiful" he said "The hole in my soul was covered up..." Then, in "For All Time," he said "Oh, and on these quiet days where souls embrace so silently..." What he's saying is very spiritual. It has divine love written all over it.

And I also love what he's been saying about his tears drying, fear being washed away and rain being washed away. Everything he's been saying shows things are moving in a very good direction. It's moving him away from pain and this is something he's been wanting so much.
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
I confess I do not see how you guys can be so conclusive....maybe its that I don't see all of what youall see and do wish you guys would share lyrics to clarify (that's most of the fun in it for me) .

I do see that if this is all on point, it being someone he knows very well eg., "with a tender touch you know so well" and has known a long time as time is mentioned throughout most of the recent lyrics.

I don't know of anything that supports the idea that she was at the trial, unless you mean "You Are So Beautiful" (and again, I can see how its possible it has a double meaning although its hard for me to see it in there but can see how it could have been that from his POSSIBLE perspective MAYbe) but that was TO his fans and while I do feel that his fans and his true love must be "one", I ALSO feel that is a bit of a stretch to conclude that and I truly wish I could see what you all base such an absolute conclusion on......... I am open to you guys (please lol) helping me out here.

I'm not seeing the "inspire" thing unless you're referring to the fan messages and we have to remember that is inconclusive whether it is a "double message" and only remain open to the idea that it could be....:unsure: right? :scratch:

I hope noone takes this as a "taking sides" thing or a "right and wrong" thing or anything...

I'd just like to get where you most enlightened interpreters are coming from... and song discussion is the most fun of the whole thing for me...

LOVE that you're keeping the thread going btw :yes: GOOD onya
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These are geniune questions stateofshock, I don't see it at all like taking sides, you have always been open to try and understand this theory better.

There are times when Michael's energy and the clues he put out are more precise than other times, it is those times when maybe other's feel interpretations are conclusive. It comes from him, I get the impression he wants it to be clear and when I noticed him being more direct in his messages to her that made it very easy for me to see it and interpret it.
 
AllForMJ said:
I love the way he went from saying, "Tell her this for me..." in "One More Chance" to "Baby, you gotta know..." in "For All Time." That is just so sweet.

In "You Are So Beautiful" he said "The hole in my soul was covered up..." Then, in "For All Time," he said "Oh, and on these quiet days where souls embrace so silently..." What he's saying is very spiritual. It has divine love written all over it.

And I also love what he's been saying about his tears drying, fear being washed away and rain being washed away. Everything he's been saying shows things are moving in a very good direction. It's moving him away from pain and this is something he's been wanting so much.
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Yep! Sounds like she's been drying those tears alright.

That line in 'For all time" you are mentioning here has the word, "two" in it remember? 'Oh and on these quiet days where two souls embrace,,,,,,so silently". This was a MAJOR CLUE!!! Michael took the time to remaster this lovely ballad and place it on T25 with this sweet delicate bridge.

I believe we have explored this before but I'll say it again: What happens when Two souls Embrace? ,,,,,,,,They become one. How do you become one with another human being? By sharing vows and committments/promises to eachother. Where exactly do we see that being performed? In front of God, usually in his house by way of a ceremony.
Michael is telling us what he wants with this lady.
 
Moddie777 said:
Yep! Sounds like she's been drying those tears alright.

That line in 'For all time" you are mentioning here has the word, "two" in it remember? 'Oh and on these quiet days where two souls embrace,,,,,,so silently". This was a MAJOR CLUE!!! Michael took the time to remaster this lovely ballad and place it on T25 with this sweet delicate bridge.

I believe we have explored this before but I'll say it again: What happens when Two souls Embrace? ,,,,,,,,They become one. How do you become one with another human being? By sharing vows and committments/promises to eachother. Where exactly do we see that being performed? In front of God, usually in his house by way of a ceremony.
Michael is telling us what he wants with this lady.
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So what was the original version of For All Time?
 
Wow..you guys are talking about MJ being all happy..He def. is esp. in the new pictures of him posted today!!aww its so nice to see him happy :)
 
Isn't it nice?! His smile is getting bigger and brighter! :D
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So what was the original version of For All Time?
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The other bridge in "For All Time" went something like this:

Oooooooo
You need this warm embrace
This warm embrace
The sun in me
Oooooooo
You bring me natural rays
All these words that young lovers say

Then, he changed it to mention souls embracing and rain washing away. There's a really nice transformation taking place. He can feel it and he's singing about it.

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