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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Yep, we all better start wrapping our minds around the real possibility of Michael Jackson no longer crying alone at night, but instead being truly happy because someone has fully replaced her last name with his. The day is going to come when his pillow is not going to be filled with his tears. His head is going to be on one pillow and her head is going to be on the other. If it means that some may have to shed tears of their own for his to stop, it will just have to be that way. Get ready for a trade-off. It really isn't fair for him to have to sing about what he wants so much and be afraid to have it just because he's famous.

Oh, and I'm not thinking the thread should be deleted. It's come too far this time. It also came back on the same day that "Hold My Hand" hit the Internet with MJ's voice in it. The words of that song tied in so well. That was a very magical day. It probably won't happen like that again. The odds of that happening again are very slim.

You know? There was also a time when many may have felt like all the chaos that had entered his life was not going to come to an end. Now it has. His life is calm. And just like this day came, his day of love in wedlock can too.

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Please keep this thread! It was created by you AllforMJ for all of the right reasons. I have sat back through the years and watched fan after fan become increasingly selfish and territorial of Michael Jackson as if they owned him. They don't seem to want him to be personally happy at all and they come on forums and try to sway the opinion of threads when they have an agenda about the subject matter.
It is not fair to Michael! He is happy and is telling us he is in Love! We are his fans and we have the right to spread his happiness, bask in it and feel good for him. We are the unselfish ones! Michael would be proud!
 
AllForMJ said:
Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?

But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.

Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?
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I certainly heard it! Which is why I was drawn to your thread. Michael's own clues have made it fairly easy to interpret. That comes from him being so much in love. He is sharing pieces of it with us and we should ALL feel greatful to him for that. Too bad some fans won't like him anymore because he will not be showing signs of sadness, grief, longing and isolation.
I wonder how that would make him feel, to know this about( some in) his own fanbase.
 
First & formost we love learning about the fan's/admirers thoughts...therefore, the thread is quite autobigraphical in some sense...

Second: What many forget about Mr.Jackson, he "speaks" through his music "I don't sing it if I don't mean it"...

Third: If Mr.Jackson did not like this thread, He would say so and it would be removed...

Fourth: Mr.Jackson is worldly, prophetic, very intelligent, passionate, and utilizes metephors to tell a story.

Fifth: I believe this person has continued to "always" be there for him, despite everything...

Sixth: Everything in life happens for a reason: we all have a purpose in life...

Seventh: This person could very well be a fan/admirer; for she is the one that understands him and the fans/admirers the most...
 
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I really didn't mean to start such an uproar here. I also don't think it is a matter of good fan vs. bad fan or fan wanting him happy vs. jealous fan. It's just two equally valid view points of one being a fan who wants to explore the possibilities of something good happening in his life, and the other being ones who think it might be invading his privacy.

Since this is largely our interpretation of what we are able to see, through his lyrics, poetry, photos, and public appearances, then it isn't truly an invasion of privacy since we cannot tell what is actually really happening. He still keeps us guessing through it all. Another part of his mystique.
 
^^ He's also said that not all his songs are about him. Maybe he "feels" the story but doesn't always indicate that it's his story. Sometimes he's just the storyteller?

AllForMJ said:
Well, maybe it's time to delete the thread again, but this time, let it stay gone. I don't mind. What do you guys say?

But, if it should go, I'm going to say this first. I created this thread because MJ was singing about being in love and no one was reporting it. He was pouring his heart out during the trial about things that show how he really is and it was going unnoticed. The stuff that made no sense at all got hours and hours of airtime. What was making all the sense in the world he had put out into the world himself. It was hidden in the midst of all the noise.

Why didn't anybody hear him when he was singing it loud and clear?[/quote]

Do you mean it went unnoticed by the media? It's possible other fans or took notice of these possible clues/hidden messages BUT they are leaving the clues to the person it belongs to. :) Maybe some ppl are leaving him and his intended to their way of communicating without interference or spotlight. When he's ready to bring it out into the spotlight, I'm sure he will. For now it seems like he's content to play the game of clues and hidden messages with her and maybe ppl should leave him to it. We can assume this lady doesn't know, but maybe she does. And maybe he knows that she knows. He has said he appreciates everything "you do"...speaking in present tense. It's possible she's been sending him clues as well, right under our noses. He didn't say he appreciates everything "you've done" as in past tense. He used the present tense which shows they might have some sort of back and forth going (and folks have missed her side of things) and maybe they're fine with it like that. It's cute...but again, there's nothing stopping him from going public if he wants ppl to know and be happy for him. He's been married twice and rumored to have been with other women. Michael and women is nothing new for fans to be uspet over altho there's going to be some who naturally will be. That hasn't stopped him before, why would it stop him now? Perhaps, all of this is just a matter of him wanting to protect his privacy and maybe hers. I think ppl should honor that and leave them to their romantic game, if there really is one. :)

Also, I feel some fans just want to talk about it to make themselves feel a part of the romantic story moreso than celebrating this possible love. Seems okay but there's a fine line. Afterall, this is still someone's private life and whatever back and forth is going on between Michael and this lady is an intimate thing. Like I've said before maybe the fact that it's so public is becuz that's their only way of communicating. Otherwise, they could say and do things without prying eyes or fans intercepting/catching on to their love code. :lol:
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Let's look at it this way...

When he recorded the words, "I'm unbreakable" many accepted these words and many even repeated them.

When he recorded the words, "I'm in love" did he get the same amount of support? No. But, it doesn't matter. You know why it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter because the love already came into his life and did what it was supposed to do. Thank God love doesn't ask for permission to do what it does. Many would want him to continue waiting.

You know what was so beautiful about it? Not only did it cause MJ to sing about it, but no one was able to block it the way they were blocking his albums.
 
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lol... ^Sorry that made me laugh, maybe it shouldn't have. How much clearer could he be I guess... "I'm in Love". Suddenly it doesn't really sound like a hidden message at all.

Also, good points Sabrina. I can see that side as well... though most likely that isn't their ONLY form of communication. Probably just one more form.

..and yes, thank God it would happen regardless of what we type here, or notice here and there.
 
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Wendy2004 you have a good eye! I think you are an undercover interpreter! When you mentioned in your post about
about Michael and her possibly having a back and forth thing going on between them and the fact that we may have been missing her side of the story. I have felt this very same way. Funny you should mention it especially with the recent direction of the thread. lol.

hmmmmmmmm, make we wanna to so more digging.
 
The end of my post should have read:

hmmmmmmmm make me wanna do some more digging.
 
It made me laugh too, Ape. lol See, they couldn't block that. 1) Love is too powerful. 2) It didn't have a release date. LOL It just came and scooped him up!
 
Also, I feel some fans just want to talk about it to make themselves feel a part of the romantic story moreso than celebrating this possible love. Seems okay but there's a fine line. Afterall, this is still someone's private life and whatever back and forth is going on between Michael and this lady is an intimate thing. Like I've said before maybe the fact that it's so public is becuz that's their only way of communicating. Otherwise, they could say and do things without prying eyes or fans intercepting/catching on to their love code.

I agree with that as well Wendy whats private should be private and not torn apart and dissected to pieces? what if it was done to others how would they feel? Invaded? or not? what if its just songs
afterall and no meanings behind them at all? then what? :lol: Just my Opinion anyways......nothing more
 
poefiend said:
Also, I feel some fans just want to talk about it to make themselves feel a part of the romantic story moreso than celebrating this possible love. Seems okay but there's a fine line. Afterall, this is still someone's private life and whatever back and forth is going on between Michael and this lady is an intimate thing. Like I've said before maybe the fact that it's so public is becuz that's their only way of communicating. Otherwise, they could say and do things without prying eyes or fans intercepting/catching on to their love code.

I agree with that as well Wendy whats private should be private and not torn apart and dissected to pieces? what if it was done to others how would they feel? Invaded? or not? what if its just songs
afterall and no meanings behind them at all? then what? :lol: Just my Opinion anyways......nothing more
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Hi poefiend, I appreciate this kind of post. You have not belittled or made small our interpretations. You have only stated your humbled opinion which I can respect no matter how it difference from mine.
 
I think your questions are good ones too and that an answer to them will come at some point. If he's just singing songs that mean nothing, nothing more will tie into the thread.

But if he's singing these type of songs because he's feeling something special, he'll probably do it some more. He's been singing about disappointment for a while. If he wants to sings about elation, shouldn't it be okay?

If people really want to see his life turn around, and they are not just saying it, then get ready for that relationship that he's going to be in. Companionship is the opposite of lonely.
 
Let me say that I don't think it has to be one or the other. I think sometimes the songs are from his heart and very much about him. He has also said he speaks thru his music. But at the same time, he is sometimes just a storyteller who feels the story he's telling. I don't doubt some of his love songs are genuinely about his love for someone. Some of them have to be at least. He's surely capable of feeling love and expressing it, I'm sure. :flowers:
 
The post (s) on this thread have been respectful, truthful, and enjoyable...

Surely if Mr.Jackson and this person thought that this thread was too intimate, disrespectful they would have asked for it to be removed a long time ago...

Personally, I think she always loved his ballads...and shared with him her desire (s) for him to share more of them with the world...

I believe, Mr.Jackson is very busy working, taking care of business...and knows he has "Got to Be There" when she says hello to the world...

The fans/admirers are a part of Mr.Jackson life, she is apparently a strong influence/part in his...

Therefore, when we have that kind of ingrediant (s) there is no stopping us...
 
When he was a kid singing love songs, it was easy to say he had not yet experienced many of the things he was singing about so well, but it didn't remain that way. He started growing up. When he started singing about sex, it wasn't as if people could continue saying he could not yet have experienced that part of life. He was becoming a man. When he started singing about heartbreak, people couldn't say he could not be experiencing something like that, because we were seeing him in relationships. How can we now try to say that he cannot be in love again when we all know that he clearly knows what it is, what it does and how it feels?

HIs love songs went through different stages just as he did.
 
poefiend said:
I agree with that as well Wendy whats private should be private and not torn apart and dissected to pieces? what if it was done to others how would they feel? Invaded? or not? what if its just songs
afterall and no meanings behind them at all? then what? :lol: Just my Opinion anyways......nothing more
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Those phone calls people talked about of Michael and someone else, those were private. They should remain private, however these are public things. If I put a love poem out there on some website for people to see, and they dissect it, that's fine, I put it out there and know that will most likely happen. BUT, if someone hacked into my email account and read my private emails back and forth to someone I love, and put it on a website to talk about that love or whatever, then I would feel invaded for sure.

If it is just songs with no meaning behind them, then we are just exercising our imagination. No big deal.
 
poefiend said:
^ right but I just meant not everything someone
says writes sings or does has a hidden agenda
behind it all? I dont know? ..nvm shutting up now :lol:
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no that makes sense. That is where maybe sometimes we've taken it too far...lol. Like maybe the messages thanking fans etc, is just that, nothing hidden in there for someone else at all. Sometimes a song is just an expression of an emotion, not something for someone to figure out or what not. A way to emote and release.

I would imagine that the ones that are truly private, the songs he sings that are too close to share with the public to be heard and discussed, he wouldn't. They would be the unreleased vaulted ones...like Xscape probably was meant to be I suppose..


The thing about the fishbowl life though.. I used to think that too, but now I see that it really isn't, or we would know where he is and what he's doing right now. We would know for certain that he really does have someone he loves. The awesome thing is, this is all still a mystery and we are all still just guessing... and that proves to me that his life really isn't a fishbowl.
 
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I will say this before I go back to pretend I am working. lol.

So many times we are ready and willing to accept with open arms when Michael Jackson display emotions of grief, sadness, isolation and despair. We may feel sad for him for a minute but most expect it with open arms and love him do death and say it over and over again on these forums.

But the very moment there are signs of a personal relationship or personal happiness, some show that their love for him has condition. I am not accusing any one person in this thread of that but what I am asking is for those who may take issue for what ever the reason being to please look inside of your own hearts and examine the basis of your complaint, issue, opposition or whatever. Be honest with you.

Michael Jackson is in a relationship folks and its real to him.
 
Is it? I really don't know. Can you explain more to help me understand what you mean?

oops sorry, I meant that in regards to Sdeidjs's post.
 
yes Sdeidjs I'm curious about that too.....and poefiend

well, Moddie it would seem so wouldn't it and its interesting because I always have been hesistant to take a 'song' as 'truth' simply because its well... a song for the world to hear (not to mention record SALES) so I'm not one to be quite as conclusive as all that and I do feel examination of such should be peacefully allowed

Ape said:
I would imagine that the ones that are truly private, the songs he sings that are too close to share with the public to be heard and discussed, he wouldn't. They would be the unreleased vaulted ones...like Xscape probably was meant to be I suppose..
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I see it this way as well. And if the songs that are being commented on are or were intended to "communicate" to someone, this thread is an open oppurtunity for that communication to be acknowledged (what is communication without acknowlegement?) so the chance is there, for whomever ..

At the same time...

Michael Jackson is the king of "escapism" and he offers the public that through his music. Surely, his songs could easily be cathartic and/or an expression at a given time for whatever reasons with no intentions behind them what-so-ever, (as I've said, I know many song writers who have done that) yet if the fairytales he weaves gives his fans that "story", that "escapism" which HE creates - then why should not his fans "read" that story.

I could be wrong, but for some reason I see MJ as one who loves happy endings and maybe others see him that way as well, and if the "fantasies" he has woven gives fans a hope of a happy ending for him, other fans shouldn't take that away from fans either.

If in the end it turns out that he sings a song that says that he thought he was in love, then I guess we'll have that as the final chapter of this saga and I have a feeling no one would say it has no "meaning" if he does wind up singing that song - they'll say, "oh well, guess MJ wasn't in Love afterall" and that would be the end of it, but the good news is we can now celebrate this time of him not being in pain (hopefully he's not) as he seems to be happier than before

As for "songs" being the basis of solid communication between two people to build a life together...c'mon :lol: ... true God provides the spirit but the humans have to provide the legwork ....that would be like using a thread or PMs, or "third party" communications to establish a solid foundation for the future :lol: I don't imagine anyone could be that far gone...

I'm quite sure that the bottom line for everyone in this thread is its pure "escapism" (MJ's word) with acknowledgement of Michael's MUCH improved state of well-being which we're all so glad of......plus its something to do.... beats the heck out of watching soap operas ...
 
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