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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

I posted this on my Facebook Wall with regards to: Murrays Defense: Michael Jackson "Negilence" Case: A 2009 EXCERPT From The Journal Of Reflection & Thoughts TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE (c) 1995 - 2011

But felt that this EXCERPT would fit well in this thread as well:

Throughout my life;

Very Unique, and Blessed Events gravitate towards me for one reason or another. They just simply continue to happen, appear. Maybe it's because everything in life "truly" DOES happen for a reason..! (c) 2011


The Journal Of Reflection & Thoughts TRUTH OF JUSTICE NOTHING IS BLACK OR WHITE
(Proceeds will be donated two "prearranged" "mutually" agreed upon charites: "All The Children Of The World Charities and The Dailey Jackson Foundation For The Elderly)" (c) 1995 - 2011

April 16

sdeidjs: Its because I care

f4evasongbird: i know you do. you have a heart as big as the pacific

sdeidjs: and when I am passionate about certain things

sdeidjs: Giggles

sdeidjs: I do

sdeidjs: I get determined

f4evasongbird: yes me too. people often can't keep up with all my passions!

sdeidjs: I try to keep people updated on whatz going on

sdeidjs: with charites

sdeidjs: I want#### to make a Charity Thread but

f4evasongbird: thats very good

sdeidjs: they wouldn't

sdeidjs: It kind of ticked me off

sdeidjs: actually

sdeidjs: It seemed like they were more worried about what kind of lipstick Mr.Jackson was wearing than

sdeidjs: gettin the world out

sdeidjs: opps word

sdeidjs:Thats so stupid

f4evasongbird: yes

sdeidjs: Like I said peoples priorities

sdeidjs: I even posted on my blog on my space about it

sdeidjs: Grrr

sdeidjs: Agervating

f4evasongbird: i know

sdeidjs: opps aggervating

sdeidjs: I had I think ## tell me

sdeidjs: that people don't want to hear about the stuff I post

sdeidjs: I told them then they don't have to read it then

sdeidjs: opps him

sdeidjs: her

sdeidjs: what ever

f4evasongbird: thats right

sdeidjs: Its just so annoying sometimes

f4evasongbird: they don't have to read it

sdeidjs: why do people have to be so selfish

sdeidjs: and rude

f4evasongbird: it's human nature to be that way. something we have to overcome

sdeidjs: I guess

sdeidjs: Yeah this poster told me that they don't want it down there throats

f4evasongbird: yes it's sad.

sdeidjs: I have alot to share

f4evasongbird: under other id(s) i have used people didn't like me defending privacy

sdeidjs: Really...?

f4evasongbird: believe it or not

sdeidjs: I bet if they knew who they were talking to they would be fake as could be

sdeidjs: Your seeing the really them

sdeidjs: huh

sdeidjs: opps real

f4evasongbird: well it shouldn't matter. yes. the more people don't know me the more i see

sdeidjs: Exactly

sdeidjs: I always figured you were lurking around


April 16,

sdeidjs: Well my motto is

sdeidjs: Patience is a true virtue

sdeidjs: It takes alot for me to get upset, or mad

f4evasongbird: yes, yes it is. sometimes i'm too patient other times i'm not patient enough

sdeidjs: But thats being human

sdeidjs: Nothing wrong with that

sdeidjs: sometimes I am too patient

sdeidjs: I always try to find the good in people

f4evasongbird: quiet patience...wonderful for me but it annoys lots of others.

sdeidjs: what that your quit?

sdeidjs: opps quiet

f4evasongbird: yeah quiet patience.

sdeidjs: edify me?

f4evasongbird: mmm let me think how to explain...

sdeidjs: You don't sweat the small stuff

sdeidjs: therefore you are quite patience

f4evasongbird: how long has it been since people have really heard much out of me?

sdeidjs: Long time

f4evasongbird: but did you know it would come?

sdeidjs: What would?

sdeidjs: You told me along time ago that you were going to take a break for awhile.

sdeidjs: Remember what I said

f4evasongbird: and i did. my family comes before my career

sdeidjs: Exactly

sdeidjs: I said if that what you needed to do for yourself

sdeidjs: thats great

sdeidjs: Im for one am glad you did

f4evasongbird: i knew eventually i'd be back on stage.

sdeidjs: Me too

f4evasongbird: but it's driven everyone else nuts, hasn't it?

sdeidjs: Yes it has

sdeidjs: The world adores you

sdeidjs: Most grew up with you

f4evasongbird: me being quiet...long time...with patience...knew it would come.

sdeidjs: Thats good

f4evasongbird: i'm working tonight in fact

f4evasongbird: later i mean

sdeidjs: You need to take time for yourself

sdeidjs: Smiles

sdeidjs: That what you said

sdeidjs: Will you sing for me someday

f4evasongbird: i wrote a new lyric a few days ago and i'm going to try it out with that beat

sdeidjs: Wonderful

sdeidjs: Sound good

f4evasongbird: also re-working some other songs

sdeidjs: You pleased with it

sdeidjs: I bet that is interesting

sdeidjs: The whole process

f4evasongbird: yes i like fiddling around and tinkering with the sounds

sdeidjs: Smiles

f4evasongbird: i'm gonna see what else i can do with Fall Again tonight. who knows? we'll see.

sdeidjs: You have a studio in your home

sdeidjs: Yeah

sdeidjs: How come

f4evasongbird: how come what?

sdeidjs: reworking Fall Again

f4evasongbird: i'm just going to tinker with it. it isn't finished, after all.

sdeidjs: Mmm

sdeidjs: Can't wait to hear it

f4evasongbird: might, might not

sdeidjs: Well tinker with it an see what comes of it

f4evasongbird:the lyric that's on my screen.

sdeidjs: What lyric

f4evasongbird: Fall Again

f4evasongbird: and some additions

sdeidjs: awwe

sdeidjs: well does it feel right

sdeidjs: Can never go wrong with your gut

sdeidjs: Right

f4evasongbird: not sure. like i said...tinkering till it does feel just right

sdeidjs: I think you will come up with something that feels right

f4evasongbird: what do YOU think: "you're all i find here in my heart, i wanna fall with you again. ever you'll be my other part, i wanna fall with you again". hmmm having a hard time deciding

sdeidjs: Mmmm

sdeidjs: "you're all i find here in my heart, i wanna fall with you again. I like that

sdeidjs: not sure about with the word ever

f4evasongbird: my thoughts too

sdeidjs: how about forever instead of ever

sdeidjs: hos that sound

sdeidjs: opps hows

f4evasongbird: hmmmm that's why i chose ever. because forever didn't flow rhythmically as well. hmmmm let's see...

f4evasongbird: i might be able to do it in tripets though

f4evasongbird: oops triplets

sdeidjs: What do you mean by that

sdeidjs: Signing it 3 times

f4evasongbird: it's a musical term. no it has to do with rhythm and beat.

sdeidjs: Ahh ok

f4evasongbird: it's towards the end of the song so maybe it will work...i'll see when i get in the studio tonight

sdeidjs: Try it

f4evasongbird: well i gotta get again later

sdeidjs: it sounds nice

(c) 1995 - 2011


Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E

God Bless Always :angel:

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You people are something. Thank you for your posts. I am learning alot.
I love the way you analyse things here. It is true God plan for our relationships, beside, he knows us and our lives before we were even born; when we make mess, he fixes it, try to turn the bad we drag ourselves into, into good. It is what some call "Moulding the cray". He is the creator, but we human being don't allow him be the only creator. We act like we know it all, or atleast we think we know ourselves while we don't. We can't know our future or what it holds for us. We just need to pray and have open mind in line with God's word.
Someone asked if Michael knew what God chose for him? Ofcourse he knew and that was LMP. The question is did LMP know that God had chosen Michael for her? I don't think so. But she knows. If you listened to her interview on Oprah, she regrets for not listening to him, to the move she did of divorcing him.
Michael knew very well. That is why he still asked to marry her even after she was in her second marriage(if I am not mistaken). Michael's second marriage was for kids. He knew he wanted kids badly and this was the only way to have them other than adapting. Adapting would have caused him problems in the future. I am sure there would be people who would persuade biological parents to change their mind and go fight back custody.
In fact, Michael is the perfect example of someone who knew a true love what it is all about. He pursued LMP since she was young( we heard LMP mother on Oprah say that when she was 16, MJ scheduled a meeting with her, the mother, and asked if she could bring LMP with her). Although LMP mother so that a bad thing, for me it was a perfect way for Michael to know what young woman LMP was growing up to be, at the same time connect with the family and getting to know each other. In fact, among rich families, that is how they do it, since it may be difficult for the two to meet, they give them a chance to meet but in family where they can also make sure nothing is happening before marriage. But I gues LMP mother wasn`t thinking her daughter could be married to MJ, so she denied them meeting that way. MJ continued to ask where she was about through his Laywers who were also laywers of LMP mother, but no news. So to speak, I think the people who made this LOVE impossible are the external.
You see, God looks at the end result. At the end we all know that MJ and LPM loved each other, just circumstances didn`t allow them to stay together that long, but in their hearts they had each other.
I only hope Michael knew before he died, that MLP loved him. That is my only wish

What does story of Jacob, Essau and Michael teach us?
Be consistance, don`t give up, follow your heart otherwise you will never know what God planned for you if you try and when faced with obstacles, you give up.
It the end what should matter is that, whatever you do in live, shouldn`t bring regrets in your life. You should be able to say that it is what you could do or get at that time and could not have done otherwise. But if at the end it brings shame to you or regrets, that means you didn`t make a precise choice or you made decision in hurry; not patient. Or like someone said, we tend to discribe the kind of partiner we want and convince ourselves by assuming that they have what we are looking for into them. or sometimes we just look at the outside and we take it from there. But people are not what we see by naked eyes. And we don`t know people by dating them, we know them by background check. I don`t meanpolice check, but knowing their history and story is what is going to help. Dating them, one would understand that we already know them other wise, why would we do the act of LOVE with someone we don`t know yet& that we love them? We are not patient; God is God of patient. We need to learn from him
N.B.
I glad I am not the only one who noticed changes of forum
 
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EDIT: Hi MJLoverForEver...I was typing out my post while you posted, so I just read it now. Nice post! :)


It's an adjustment time it seems to the new layout of the site. But once we get it, it will be cool. :)


FT, you said,

You're right it was by Jacobs mother's urging that he conned his dad but it was in his nature to do wrong. You saw the story about the stew right? They both must have had some serious issues with deception.
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Interesting that both Jacob and his mother were users of deception, and then Jacob falls in love with a woman who both she and her father were known to use deception as well.

We already talked of one way Laban deceived Jacob, but Rachel also deceived her father and others one day. When Jacob decided to leave or "steal away" with Laban's two daughter's, Laban's grandchildren, and most of his flocks (that Jacob gained by further craftiness), Rachel first went into her father's house and stole his idol statues (now this brings into question, what is a child of God's wanting with idols of false gods? Why was her father resorting to them? Wasn't the whole reason Isaac wanted Jacob to marry a girl who was not a Canaanite because they believed in pagan gods? This seems to have backfired. No wonder there was jealousy, competition and all kinds of strife between Leah and Rachel in Jacob's household...his wives were not brought up on God and godly ways by their father, unlike Abraham, Isaac,and Jacob, and Rachel so depended on her father's idols, she couldn't leave without them). She told no one that she had done this.

But the crafty thing she did was she placed them in her saddlebag and was sitting on top of them on her camel.

When Laban and his men came after Jacob and accused him of stealing his idols, Jacob said, "Search." So Rachel says something like (I haven't read this in awhile, this is from memory) "Father, please excuse me if I do not get down of my camel for I am having my time of the month." So she was allowed to stay sitting on her camel on top of the idols and therefore they were unable to seach her bag for them.

Jacob may have fallen in love with Rachel at first sight, but I'm sad she did not know and follow his God all along and that she was also a deceptive one.

I hope whoever Michael fell for (if the LITD girl does exist) that she is not like that. Michael his whole career, due to celebrity demands, had to resort to craftiness, fancy footwork, game playing, and...deception, many times over. But I hope that doesn't mean he'd want a girl like that. Couldn't it have been all right for him to be the only one in the family like that and the woman he marries to be instead upright, honest, and not a deceptive, game player type? I would hope that anyway. But who knows what he really went for in a girl.

FT said:
So I wrote, copied and pasted all of that to say this.

1. Be in God's will

2. Don't try to take what's not yours- you may not want it.

3. Seek God
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FT, how did this apply to the story of Jacob? What did he want that was not his and later realized he did not want it? :scratch:

FT said:
To love God is to obey Him. That's what Jesus said "if you loved me you would obey my commandments." God honors those that love and obey Him far, far above those who do not.
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I would like to speak into this a bit. When we come to know God and we are new at walking with Him, I believe we believe we are obeying Him with all our hearts...but it seems it is more a situation of being at the level one is at, and as you walk with Him throughout your life, He brings things about that He uses to deepen your love, trust and obedience in Him. Most of these things are trials; hard, hard trials that we may buck against...but once we give in to them in the way of allowing them to fulfil their purpose in our lives, and hand them over to God, He brings us then to a point of humbleness, so He can take us to a new level in Him.

Jacob was obedient to God to the point he could be, but there was a point where God wanted more from Him. This is illustrated by that one night, after Jacob left Laban's home and was returning home towards Esau and Canaan, that Jacob wrestled all night with God. Have any of you ever wrestled with God, because the trial He had you in was too hard, or too unpleasant? Did He have to humble you first before you could move forward and He could turn your life around?

The reason we know God humbled Jacob through the wrestling, was because Jacob came out of it with an injury to his hip and he walked with a limp that day forward. But, through this, God had also taken Jacob to a new level and Jacob was now ready to become Israel, a father of a nation...God's chosen people.

If Jacob had difficulty obeying God a hundred percent and wrestled with God and lost...how much more us? But God will use it. Little by little, we'll get there.

If someone who knows the Lord doesn't obey God and messes up being or delays being with the one God has for them, can God still move in that area and make it work out anyway? Makes me think of what Job said (and learned, for he learned much) after he suffered from his long
hard trial, and did some of his own wrestling in trying to understand why it all happened to him as it all did. He said to his God, with a new level of awe and humility,

"I know you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted."

I personally don't know if God has one person as a mate in mind for everyone He's created, but I would like to think that if we ask Him to bring to us the one he has designed and destined for us from the beginning of time, that He will in some way do that... maybe not the exact way we have imagined, though.

I think AllForMJ is probably right that God, after all the years of Michael's waiting, did bring love to MJ in some form from his LITD girl before he passed. Maybe not in the way of marriage, or maybe not even in the way of the two of them being physically together...but in the way that he KNEW God brought her back to him and her love was pointed in his direction.

At least, that is a nice thought, yes? :)
 
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FT, Thank you for reflection.
Sarah and Abraham brings me the same reflection.
Sarah not relied on the promise .. and easily persuaded Abraham to take her Egyptian handmaid. Abraham, human. Man of God, but a human being did not hesitate and listened to Sara.

1 Sar'ai Now, Abram's wife, bore him in children. She Had an Egyptian maid Whose name was Hagar, and two Sar'ai said to Abram, "Behold now, the LORD has Prevented me from bearing children; go in to my maid; It May Be That I Shall Obtain children by her." And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sar'ai. 3 So, after Abram dwelt ten years HAD in the land of Canaan, Sar'ai, Abram's wife, took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and Gave Her to her husband Abram as a wife. 4 And he went in to Hagar, and she conceived, and When She Saw That She Had conceived, she Looked with contempt on her mistress. 5 And Abram to Sar'ai said, "May the wrong done to me be on you! I gave my maid to your embrace, and When She Saw That She Had conceived, she Looked on me with contempt. May the LORD judge Between You and me! "
Book of Genesis 16

Amazing to realize that not fully trust in God can change the whole course of the entire story ..
 
May I ask for a brief summary about what this thread is about? It seems very interesting. Is it a spiritual thread about one specific thing or more? I heard Michael enjoyed reading this thread.
 
DanceofLorelei1994 said:
May I ask for a brief summary about what this thread is about? It seems very interesting. Is it a spiritual thread about one specific thing or more? I heard Michael enjoyed reading this thread.
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It's a discussion where we are deciphering MJ's love songs, looking at them from a spiritual angle, pointing out Bible verses that MJ mentions, and discussing him singing about being in love. From time to time, we do talk about other things, and also have laughing spells lol, but for the most part, it is about MJ and loving relationships in general.

The discussion above is a love story that's in the Bible. The reason why we include scripture in this thread is because MJ often read his Bible and it shows.

Actually, I've just figured out that he was reading the King James version as you will see when you click play, listen from 4:16 to 4:25 and then read below. :yes:



Proverbs 5:3-4 (King James Version)
3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword.


By the way, DanceofLorelei1994, welcome to the thread.
 
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It's like a river, always flowing and takes many paths apart from it's main course but somehow it all leads back eventually. It's a romantic place. We've looked at lyrics and photos and MJs demeanor through the years and interpreted that, sometimes drift off in imagination that leads to some nice places. Feels more like a place than a thread. Sometimes we just hang out and visit each other. Throw popcorn around. Laugh. Fight. Forgive. Embrace. Teach and learn. Tell stories & listen. Share songs and hearts and ideas and thoughts. We support each other in here (most the time) and help one another to grow.
Hard to explain really. That's what I've experienced from it.

*waves to post above me* hi allformj. You're up late too hey?
 
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Do you all remember the online chat that MJ took part in back in October of 2001?

There is something that MJ said that I think we should pay attention to. Like when he said, "I've been through hell and back."

Wasn't he still well known all across the globe during the time that he said this? Of course he was? Did his millions of fans disappear from all around him as if they had gone to another planet or something? Of course not. He was still very well known and very much loved during this time. Yet, it did not shield him from the hurt. Why wasn't it enough to shield him? Why wasn't it enough to keep him from going through hell between the 1990's and 2001?

He also said the following during that very same chat, when he was asked what is one thing about his life that he would change if he could change one thing.

"I would like to be able to go out in public and just be normal sometime, without people recognizing who I am, and to get a little bit of a feeling of what it's like to, you know, be of the regular norm. To see how things are done; to learn what people speak about when they're just casually talking. Cause soon as they see it's Michael Jackson, the conversation changes; it all becomes about me and not about the situation -- the moment, that's happening at the moment. That would... I would learn a lot from that. I don't get to see that unless I disguise myself and put on a lot of things, and then they stare at me, then it's even different; it's not the same even then."

Doesn't it seem like, if MJ could meet a regular woman, and be able to interact with her the regular way, that that is something that would make him feel that what he wanted was finally coming true? What would be more refreshing than to have a two-in-one? A regular woman to love, and regular conversations with this regular woman? He would get a real feel of what that is all about on a regular basis, would he not?

Therefore, doesn't it seem like God would send MJ a regular woman to share his love with? Also, if God brought her into MJ's life, then wouldn't the relationship automatically become a marriage?

God does not need man's documents to validate a union between a man and a woman if He Himself has formed the relationship. He is the great I Am. He is Alpha and Omega. He is the creator of the universe. He is the creator of the original laws. No one is above Him. Once He takes the lead in forming the relationship, it is automatically validated by His very presence.

Take a look at the below video. There is something that MJ is going to say at the end of it that reveals how he was feeling back then.

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Did you hear him? He said, "Life is beautiful." That's a huge difference in comparison to what he had said in 2001, isn't it?

Hearing him say life is beautiful means he was happy in 2003.

And get this. He said these words about life being beautiful even though he had just been taken through hell by Martin Bashir&#8217;s mocumentary, after receiving all the bad press following the balcony incident, after being ridiculed by all those 2002 primetime programs about his face, and after being forced to go through another court deposition that caused him to have an anxiety attack.

If MJ did not find the type of love that he had been searching for, then, what did he find? What caused him to put out a steady flow of positive love songs between 2003 and 2009? What did he say in "The Way You Love Me?" He said, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." When did he originally release this song? It was in 2004. And there he was again displaying joy in the midst of turmoil, huh?

There is only one type of love that could cause him to do that&#8212;love that was true. If the relationship was formed by God, as MJ has made it clear that it was, then can we expect it to be anything less than true?

MJ did not leave this world without what he had been searching for. He had it. It was showing.
:)
 
Get to bed young lady! ;-) (its 3:27 am here so I guess I'm busted too)

Also... I just love your posts :)

(to susan now:) thank you for sharing that. Does your friend mind you sharing them? If not that's great. I liked reading it and I'd imagine that it's just hard for anyone who isn't you and didn't have your experience to be able to know with certainty that who you chatted with was who he seemed to be, so possibly it'll just be a relationship and experience you can cherish forever. It doesn't need validation from anyone else but you and your friend. It was a sweet conversation though and I know it means a lot to you so thank you for sharing. I know how vulnerable it feels to share something close to my heart with others. Especially if no one says anything about it later. I hope this was alright for me to say. Possibly I
Missed your point though so if I did, im sorry.

Well I'd better try to sleep now. Already in bed, just gotta close my eyes.
 
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Ape said:
Get to bed young lady! ;-) (its 3:27 am here so I guess I'm busted too)

Also... I just love your posts :)

(to susan now:) thank you for sharing that. Does your friend mind you sharing them? If not that's great. I liked reading it and I'd imagine that it's just hard for anyone who isn't you and didn't have your experience to be able to know with certainty that who you chatted with was who he seemed to be, so possibly it'll just be a relationship and experience you can cherish forever. It doesn't need validation from anyone else but you and your friend. It was a sweet conversation though and I know it means a lot to you so thank you for sharing. I know how vulnerable it feels to share something close to my heart with others. Especially if no one says anything about it later. I hope this was alright for me to say. Possibly I
Missed your point though so if I did, im sorry.

Well I'd better try to sleep now. Already in bed, just gotta close my eyes.
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I'm up late like you because it's been the only time that I can get on lately. I'm back to sharing my computer with my youngest son. It is not fun sharing a computer. lol Sometimes I can post during the day, but sure has been hard.

Susan? :scratch: Don't know who Susan is. But anywhooo, I have something else that I am going to post later on about what MJ said during his birthday speech about everyone working together and going for their dreams! Listening to what he said has caused me to think about his song "Cry."

Nite-nite...
 
Oops, I forget the name she uses on here. Sorry. It's not you, another lady in here. For some reason (maybe that it was past 3am) I thought she went by Susan in here but yes it's a different nic she uses.
 
Ape said:
Oops, I forget the name she uses on here. Sorry. It's not you, another lady in here. For some reason (maybe that it was past 3am) I thought she went by Susan in here but yes it's a different nic she uses.
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Hey girlie, I just logged back on too. Are you looking through my window again?! How'd we come back into the thread at the same time? You gotta warn me when you're doing stuff like that! My hair ain't combed yet and I haven't put on my makeup!! LOL :giggle:

You're talking about sdeidjs! I just read what she posted on the previous page. She's susan.

Correction...

Her name is Susie. :yes:
 
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Oh oops. Not the best with names. Lol yes I was just stalking you, waiting till you logged on and then beat you to the post ;-) . It's fun when stuff like that happens.
 
Fabulous post AllforMJ! Thank you very much for posting this!!!!!!!

AllForMJ;3333431 said:
Do you all remember the online chat that MJ took part in back in October of 2001?

There is something that MJ said that I think we should pay attention to. Like when he said, "I've been through hell and back."

Wasn't he still well known all across the globe during the time that he said this? Of course he was? Did his millions of fans disappear from all around him as if they had gone to another planet or something? Of course not. He was still very well known and very much loved during this time. Yet, it did not shield him from the hurt. Why wasn't it enough to shield him? Why wasn't it enough to keep him from going through hell between the 1990's and 2001?

He also said the following during that very same chat, when he was asked what is one thing about his life that he would change if he could change one thing.

"I would like to be able to go out in public and just be normal sometime, without people recognizing who I am, and to get a little bit of a feeling of what it's like to, you know, be of the regular norm. To see how things are done; to learn what people speak about when they're just casually talking. Cause soon as they see it's Michael Jackson, the conversation changes; it all becomes about me and not about the situation -- the moment, that's happening at the moment. That would... I would learn a lot from that. I don't get to see that unless I disguise myself and put on a lot of things, and then they stare at me, then it's even different; it's not the same even then."

Doesn't it seem like, if MJ could meet a regular woman, and be able to interact with her the regular way, that that is something that would make him feel that what he wanted was finally coming true? What would be more refreshing than to have a two-in-one? A regular woman to love, and regular conversations with this regular woman? He would get a real feel of what that is all about on a regular basis, would he not?

Therefore, doesn't it seem like God would send MJ a regular woman to share his love with? Also, if God brought her into MJ's life, then wouldn't the relationship automatically become a marriage?

God does not need man's documents to validate a union between a man and a woman if He Himself has formed the relationship. He is the great I Am. He is Alpha and Omega. He is the creator of the universe. He is the creator of the original laws. No one is above Him. Once He takes the lead in forming the relationship, it is automatically validated by His very presence.

Take a look at the below video. There is something that MJ is going to say at the end of it that reveals how he was feeling back then.

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Did you hear him? He said, "Life is beautiful." That's a huge difference in comparison to what he had said in 2001, isn't it?

Hearing him say life is beautiful means he was happy in 2003.

And get this. He said these words about life being beautiful even though he had just been taken through hell by Martin Bashir&#8217;s mocumentary, after receiving all the bad press following the balcony incident, after being ridiculed by all those 2002 primetime programs about his face, and after being forced to go through another court deposition that caused him to have an anxiety attack.

If MJ did not find the type of love that he had been searching for, then, what did he find? What caused him to put out a steady flow of positive love songs between 2003 and 2009? What did he say in "The Way You Love Me?" He said, "I thank the Heavens above that I met you." When did he originally release this song? It was in 2004. And there he was again displaying joy in the midst of turmoil, huh?

There is only one type of love that could cause him to do that&#8212;love that was true. If the relationship was formed by God, as MJ has made it clear that it was, then can we expect it to be anything less than true?

MJ did not leave this world without what he had been searching for. He had it. It was showing.
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I love reading your posts AllForMJ. They arr great and so is this one.
I think Michael so Love in big picture. Just like Jesus. Jesus loved those who are willing to hear and follow his message much more than his biological brothers and sisters. We read Jesus when was told that his brothers and sisters were looking for him, he said that, his brothers and sisters were those who were listening to him.
I don't think Michael had any regrets or sadness for not having a woman in his live (if he didn't have one already) all those years. I think he took life as it came to him and move forward, particularly by focusing on his work God gave him on earth, that is healing and making the world a better place.
You remember an interview My. Payne gave after MJ passing about the kids at Neverland? When rumours started that he was mistreating kids....blabla, some people came to him and asked him to stop bringing kids to Neverland, especially to stop allowing them sleep over, for the hope that rumours will go away. What did Michael say? He said, even if I have to go to prison for that, I will not deny LOVE to a child. The wounds denying may inflict into the live of the chald may be irrivesable.
Michael had this big LOVE, he understood LOVE of GOD what it is all about. We should give love to those in need of it, even when ourselves are denied love; and knowing that our love is impacting someone's life, it feels us joy and happiness and that is our way of being loved back.
 
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Hi, Wendijane. I'm glad I asked I didn't know what was going on.

Iceburg, that's a good one.

Someone had asked what did Jacob get that he didn't want. He wanted Rachel but he got Leah and had to wait a total of 14 years to be with Rachel.

MJLoveForever, I don't think God chose Lisa Marie for Michael. She had already been married to another man and had birthed him children. That's where she should have remained but now she's had many husbands and I'm not only talking of the ones wedding vosw were shared with. She is a member of Scientology and another example of the woes of not seeking and being in God's will.
 
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Someone had asked what did Jacob get that he didn't want. He wanted Rachel but he got Leah and had to wait a total of 14 years to be with Rachel.
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I'm the someone that asked this FT. And your answer is neglecting the first half of your previous statement:
FT said:
Don't try to take what's not yours- you may not want it.
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Your answer here addresses the second part, that he got something he did not want (Leah), but what did he try and take that was not his in regards to Leah?

Yes, previously he tried to take the birthright away from Esau and God allowed that, for God was apparently displeased with Esau's heart attitude, and instead had favor for Jacob. Unless here you are trying to say that the birthright, which should have gone to Esau is what placed Jacob in the position of being required to marry Leah, since she was the oldest: your theory being she was meant for Esau.

After thinking about their story a little more, I'm not sure there is enough to substantiate the theory that Esau was supposed to have married Leah.

You see Leah is described as one with weak eyes. Maybe she would be called today as someone who is "blind as a bat" or "Miss Four-eyes" and maybe when she meant to walk through a door she'd miss it and her shoulder would hit the doorframe everytime. It is not a stretch to think of her as squinting a lot, and the impression you get is that her desirability was affected by her appearance due to her weak eyes.

This presented a problem for her father, Laban. He was having some trouble unloading her...he couldn't get her married off. Rachel, due to her beauty, he knew he'd have no difficulty in that area, but what what was he gonna to do to get Leah married. Well, being the crafty opportunist he was, he saw his chance with unsuspecting Jacob.

Poor Leah, no man seemed to be able to love her, or want her, for who she was inside. Do you think Esau, with his character, would have wanted her, when no other man did? How shallow has he been depicted as... one who would rather have a hearty bowl of stew than the privileged birthright and the blessing that goes with it?

Laban used the excuse with Jacob by saying in his parts we have to marry our daughters off by order of age...but there was more to it than that. I believe if Leah had been a beauty as well, he would have allowed Jacob to go ahead and marry Rachel, for he knew it would be only a matter of short time someone would snatch up his lovely older daughter as well.

Some people translate the way the story is written that Jacob waited for Rachel seven years, then got to marry her and worked another seven years as further payment for her, but they enjoyed those last seven years as man and wife. Others think he worked seven years for her, and then was told he'd have to work another seven BEFORE he could take her as his wife. Then we have them waiting the full 14 years before they can even be together.

Imagine, Rachel loving Jacob so but, because of the propriety in that culture, she could not touch him or show any affection towards him. And then once he marries her sister, she knows her sister is lying in the arms of the man she loves ever night, when she cannot. She knew she had Jacob's heart, but she could not be with him. And vice-versa.

Who do they remind you of? Based on a lot of what we have talked about in here, isn't it a little like MJ and his LITD girl? She loves him, but cannot touch him , and she hears of him being with all these women over the years that she would, I assume, imagine him "touching".

Hard? I woud think. And how about him, if through the years he's loving her so much but wondering, maybe even discovering, she was at times with another man? You heard his pain in Who Is It. You hear his helplessnes in watching whatever was going down in Serious Effect. You know he is trying to convince her he is the better choice for her than some other guy in songs like Invincible. So both MJ and the LITD girl would have this sadness, I would think, to love someone but not be able to express it through touch.

At least Jacob and Rachel could see each other in the flesh everyday on Laban's property where all these involved lived during those 14 years. They could talk, they could smile at each other...but how much they could show and still be aligning with proper decorum in this situation, I'm not sure.

But it is a story about two lovers that were kept apart for a good amount of time, where the man knew at first site that Rachel would always be the love of his life. And she was. Laban couldn't change that. Leah didn't change that. Having children with three other women didn't change that. The friction and pettiness going on between the two sisters didn't change that. His devotion to his God didn't change that. Her death didn't change that.

Did Jacob and Rachel have a spiritual connection like we have talked about in here that MJ and his lady friend might have had? I don't know. Maybe they didn't require that because they were right there in each others lives being around each other day by day. Maybe God graciously gave that special connection to MJ and the LITD girl (if she exists) because life kept them apart...and it seems for a lot longer than 14 years total.

Is it the possible spiritual connection these two have had that makes you feel that in God's eyes, AllForMJ, they were as if married?
 
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Shila said:
Is it the possible spiritual connection these two have had that makes you feel that in God's eyes, AllForMJ, they were as if married?
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Yes. It is also because MJ said out right in "Beautiful Girl" that he was in love. It is because he said their love is a sacred thing in "The Best of Joy." It is because he thanked the Heavens above that he met her in "The Way You Love Me." And most importantly, it is because God's presence in MJ's life has been totally obvious.
 
Hey Shila,

I'm sorry for adding what I thought concerning that scripture. I didn't mean to cause any confusion. I'll refrain from expressing beyond what is clearly written beyond this reply to your questions.

Yes, I do believe it was part of Esaus birthright to marry Leah and God's original plans for his life. I don't think Jacob wanted to be with Leah and that's what I meant when I said don't try to take what's not yours because you may not want it.

You pointed out certain things concerning Leah as a reason she would not be wanted by any man pretty much and said "Poor Leah, no man seemed to be able to love her, or want her, for who she was inside. Do you think Esau, with his character, would have wanted her, when no other man did? How shallow has he been depicted as... one who would rather have a hearty bowl of stew than the privileged birthright and the blessing that goes with it?"

Do you think it was who she was inside that prevented her from being married? Do you think her looks prevented her? This is what you wrote "You see Leah is described as one with weak eyes. Maybe she would be called today as someone who is "blind as a bat" or "Miss Four-eyes" and maybe when she meant to walk through a door she'd miss it and her shoulder would hit the doorframe everytime. It is not a stretch to think of her as squinting a lot, and the impression you get is that her desirability was affected by her appearance due to her weak eyes."

Some think she was not as beautiful as her sister but but whatever it was that she had not yet married it was God's plan. I don't think it was because of who she was incide because choose women as well as men when He is prepairing to help His people. He would need to select a woman who was humble and obedient to Him or else the children would likely be raised contrary to His will.

If I'm right and Leah was to be with Esau then a long line of ancestry had been set up in God's plans for the lineage of Jesus Christ. If Jacobs request hindered that by his deception then God's plans would still need to prevail hence the universe if you will continued on with plans by placing Leah with Jacob in marriage to bring forth a son.

You asked if Esau would have wanted her for whatever perceived lack within her asking how shallow had he already been for choosing the stew but let's recall Esau was called a harry man. His own mother was not too fond of him and if his appearance lacked anything don't you think the girl with the weak eyes would have been the perfect match for him?

Once again, sorry for injecting what I think about certain events that happened in the bible. I'll do my best to try to stick with what can be substantiated.

What you wrote concerning a litdg and MJ beyond that is pretty deep. Nice insight.

I'm starting to get used to the new thread layout but I keep forgetting where to find my email messages in here:)

Later ladies

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I'm the someone that asked this FT. And your answer is neglecting the first half of your previous statement:


Your answer here addresses the second part, that he got something he did not want (Leah), but what did he try and take that was not his in regards to Leah?

Yes, previously he tried to take the birthright away from Esau and God allowed that, for God was apparently displeased with Esau's heart attitude, and instead had favor for Jacob. Unless here you are trying to say that the birthright, which should have gone to Esau is what placed Jacob in the position of being required to marry Leah, since she was the oldest: your theory being she was meant for Esau.

After thinking about their story a little more, I'm not sure there is enough to substantiate the theory that Esau was supposed to have married Leah.

You see Leah is described as one with weak eyes. Maybe she would be called today as someone who is "blind as a bat" or "Miss Four-eyes" and maybe when she meant to walk through a door she'd miss it and her shoulder would hit the doorframe everytime. It is not a stretch to think of her as squinting a lot, and the impression you get is that her desirability was affected by her appearance due to her weak eyes.

This presented a problem for her father, Laban. He was having some trouble unloading her...he couldn't get her married off. Rachel, due to her beauty, he knew he'd have no difficulty in that area, but what what was he gonna to do to get Leah married. Well, being the crafty opportunist he was, he saw his chance with unsuspecting Jacob.

Poor Leah, no man seemed to be able to love her, or want her, for who she was inside. Do you think Esau, with his character, would have wanted her, when no other man did? How shallow has he been depicted as... one who would rather have a hearty bowl of stew than the privileged birthright and the blessing that goes with it?

Laban used the excuse with Jacob by saying in his parts we have to marry our daughters off by order of age...but there was more to it than that. I believe if Leah had been a beauty as well, he would have allowed Jacob to go ahead and marry Rachel, for he knew it would be only a matter of short time someone would snatch up his lovely older daughter as well.

Some people translate the way the story is written that Jacob waited for Rachel seven years, then got to marry her and worked another seven years as further payment for her, but they enjoyed those last seven years as man and wife. Others think he worked seven years for her, and then was told he'd have to work another seven BEFORE he could take her as his wife. Then we have them waiting the full 14 years before they can even be together.

Imagine, Rachel loving Jacob so but, because of the propriety in that culture, she could not touch him or show any affection towards him. And then once he marries her sister, she knows her sister is lying in the arms of the man she loves ever night, when she cannot. She knew she had Jacob's heart, but she could not be with him. And vice-versa.

Who do they remind you of? Based on a lot of what we have talked about in here, isn't it a little like MJ and his LITD girl? She loves him, but cannot touch him , and she hears of him being with all these women over the years that she would, I assume, imagine him "touching".

Hard? I woud think. And how about him, if through the years he's loving her so much but wondering, maybe even discovering, she was at times with another man? You heard his pain in Who Is It. You hear his helplessnes in watching whatever was going down in Serious Effect. You know he is trying to convince her he is the better choice for her than some other guy in songs like Invincible. So both MJ and the LITD girl would have this sadness, I would think, to love someone but not be able to express it through touch.

At least Jacob and Rachel could see each other in the flesh everyday on Laban's property where all these involved lived during those 14 years. They could talk, they could smile at each other...but how much they could show and still be aligning with proper decorum in this situation, I'm not sure.

But it is a story about two lovers that were kept apart for a good amount of time, where the man knew at first site that Rachel would always be the love of his life. And she was. Laban couldn't change that. Leah didn't change that. Having children with three other women didn't change that. The friction and pettiness going on between the two sisters didn't change that. His devotion to his God didn't change that. Her death didn't change that.

Did Jacob and Rachel have a spiritual connection like we have talked about in here that MJ and his lady friend might have had? I don't know. Maybe they didn't require that because they were right there in each others lives being around each other day by day. Maybe God graciously gave that special connection to MJ and the LITD girl (if she exists) because life kept them apart...and it seems for a lot longer than 14 years total.

Is it the possible spiritual connection these two have had that makes you feel that in God's eyes, AllForMJ, they were as if married?
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Wow you were up early!

AllForMJ said:
Yes. It is also because MJ said out right in "Beautiful Girl" that he was in love. It is because he said their love is a sacred thing in "The Best of Joy." It is because he thanked the Heavens above that he met her in "The Way You Love Me." And most importantly, it is because God's presence in MJ's life has been totally obvious.
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AllForMJ said:
Yes. It is also because MJ said out right in "Beautiful Girl" that he was in love. It is because he said their love is a sacred thing in "The Best of Joy." It is because he thanked the Heavens above that he met her in "The Way You Love Me." And most importantly, it is because God's presence in MJ's life has been totally obvious.
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Thank you, AllForMJ, for answering my question! :)

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Hey Shila,

I'm sorry for adding what I thought concerning that scripture. I didn't mean to cause any confusion. I'll refrain from expressing beyond what is clearly written beyond this reply to your questions.

Once again, sorry for injecting what I think about certain events that happened in the bible. I'll do my best to try to stick with what can be substantiated.
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Oh my gosh, FT, no need to apologize for it...this makes great discussion. So if my wording made you feel like I was annoyed or something, I absolutely was not...I just wanted further discussion, and I wished for clarity in what you were meaning.

So thank you for doing that in this last post. And I think you did a good job here of supporting your perspective.

I found it amusing you bringing up that Leah would make the ideal mate for hairy Esau because of her weak eyesight, haha. In fact, it was Isaac's weak eyesight on his deathbed that made him unable to catch that it was Jacob there disguised as Esau, instead of Esau, receiving the birthright. Weak eyesight can be very forgiving, and miss quite a few details. It's sometimes not that fun when I put my glasses on in my house and see what all really needs to still be cleaned! :)

So please, feel very free to add your own perspective when discussing the wonderful stories in God's word. It fills the stories out, and reminds others that the characters in the Bible are just people like us.
 
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I am really impressed with Dres...very pure...heart felt passion...and most passionate...

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