Latest on MJJC

Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

ms fairy said:
I will try to share and answer some of the questions. Sorry but I read only the last couple of pages. With regards to me I find it challenging sharing on forums discussions mainly because I dont have the skills to better communicate with like emotion faces and the way in which some of you can show direct quotes of each other and things just written in black and white can sometimes be misunderstood. I just hope we can give each other some leeway and benefit of the doubt and understand our diversity. By the way I can't always come on here for a number of reasons, my apt building is old, most times my phone, internet and tv cable don't work due to old wiring and water in the lines...its so frustrating.
Yes I am aware of most things that BEP and Akon etc. have said and most songs that were made on behalf of MJ and her. For now I really should try to just refer to the music artists as the music tribe as for now it still does put them in an awkward situation. And what I mean by that is there is still an ongoing investigation and songs, vids, etc are evidence and the music tribe are in a unique role and positioning. Some things they can't say but with my role and positioning I can fill in the blanks. The other one I mentioned besides Fergie is the little girl in 'This is it' and her name is Jasmin, she is also playing the role of MJ's woman. For many years now members of fan sites have asked me if I am MJ or Latoya and my responses have always been as truthful as can be..some have even kept track of my posts and wonder why is it that I am always right and most times I say stuff that is not even on sites until much later so some are convinced that I am the worlds greatest psychic..lol.. Anyways, yes I am in the know of most things, I have known MJ and her for most of their lives (about 45 years now) and I also know their close friends and some I still keep in touch with. The songs and music vids are the things they went through since they were 7 years old, its the story of their life. That's why 777 is important to them but can't say what the story behind it is right now. If I know something and can share it I do, if I am not sure then I say just that and if I know something but can't say then I say just that, it is what it is. For people that really do know MJ, they also know her. And they also know me, they even know who I am on these sites..so even the enemies check me out on here...so very courageous of me to try to sort them out and speak the truth considering all the conspiracies within conspiracies and killings throughout the years. So for the ones that really do know 'mj and her' its easy to pick out the fakes, the cuckoos, and the conspirators. Some create such havoc on fan sites and they seem to get off on destroying peoples lives..I just wish they would just 'flock off'... Its very important to know why we are on here and what we want to have happen, what are our intentions, what we stand for, who we are. This thread is nothing new fans and others have talked this for over 30 years but this time around this thread has lasted and is the longest thread. So its obviously meaningful and worthwhile!!!
Click to expand...

I was beginning to think that the secret woman may've have even been LMP.
How is this woman dealing with all of this knowing that he is no longer here?.
 
Hey Ash! Just wanted to say I love to see your smiley faces and your Shirley Temple pic. I started to tell you this the other day but it just didn't sound as well as I meant it.

Did fairy ever come back? I had another question. Something was said about Michael's body guards being gone if she were with him if he had a love in the dark girl. Why is that? Do you think his body guards did or would do something to harm MJ?
 
Favoritetune said:
Hey Ash! Just wanted to say I love to see your smiley faces and your Shirley Temple pic. I started to tell you this the other day but it just didn't sound as well as I meant it.
Click to expand...
:ciao:



Awwww... you're sweet. :give_heart: :hug: The picture of Shirley is a tribute to Michael.... :girl_sigh: :girl_love:

Happy to see you here. ;)






Favoritetune said:
Did fairy ever come back? I had another question. Something was said about Michael's body guards being gone if she were with him if he had a love in the dark girl. Why is that? Do you think his body guards did or would do something to harm MJ?
Click to expand...
:thinking:
 
Hello guys! Yesterday I was having a moment of nostalgia, not such a good thing but I read recently that evokes positive affective states and increases creativity and improves self esteem. Jeez! This isn't bad at all. lol
I was lurking on this thread and I went back a few posts. There are many interesting things written in here over the years. mysterygirl7 and Victoria83 and Justus are examples, they wrote such beautiful things that gave us the opportunity to reflect on.
I couldn't post all them so I'll post one in especial moved me and I think it's worth reading again.

Justus said:
I actually, don't really know what to write, or how to put my thoughts together right now. It's a bit difficult at this moment and I don't really know why. Where do I start?


As I mentioned before, I've been lurking on this board (and this thread) for a while. I've been following things that have been said, over the past several months. I must say, you all, really, are quite intelligent, loving, AND imaginative people.


What I truly enjoy about this thread is not only how you have kept it alive (as Victoria83 stated), despite the circumstances, but all the insight and thoughtful input and creativity and love is quite the blessing. Also your outpouring of love not just for Michael, but for each other, as well. it touches the heart and soul. Few people on this earth love/d Michael as much as or more than his fans. Something Michael has always been able to do is both bring people together in unity, and be a division to people, as well. But everything Michael is, everything he stands for, is Love, and Healing. His work continues beyond life; through family, friends, loved ones, fans, and anyone else inspired.


Remember: a body is simply a house for the spirit and soul, to live in while on this physical plane. The spirit and soul are able to do so much more once they transcend the body. Love, is even greater. Dancing, is even better. Spinning...not enough words to express it. It all has to do with love and unity/oneness.


I am just writing down my thoughts, and it seems a little random or nonchalant. I may not be making much sense to most of you. But SOME of you, do know what I am talking about. but the fact is, and I KNOW this for a fact, that Michael found a lot of love, right here on this thread. He got to know you. Some of you, quite well. Incognito, of course, to a degree. Other times quite in-your-face!


So did Michael find love in the dark? Well that question is moot as it has already been discussed and discovered that yes, he did. But he also found love, in the LIGHT. The love of YOUR light. may it ever shine! Michael asked a question, "Will You Be There?" to someone. So even when his "love(s) in the dark" may have faltered, YOU were always there for him! You stood by him through everything, defended and stood up for him (and even wrote about him) during his trials and tribulations, and just so much. You have loved him like no one else. you've been his "bride", so to speak, faithful and true. Yet, as stated by Victoria, "touch" has eluded him for varying reasons. He could never get close enough to the people he loved the very most (aside from his children). Or anyone else, for that matter. The simple fact of his identity prevented that. But, he provided his own evidences of his having been here, and you all caught on, so well done! But how else could he really have "touched" you? Your presence through the little things he wore and did was his way of quietly recipricating his love for YOU, and having YOUR touch near to HIM. Out of the box? absolutely.


In the days, weeks, and months since his passing, much more love poured out from around the world than Michael would have thought possible. And I think you all even have expressed that you didn't realize how much you loved him, until suddenly he was gone. This thread is about L O V E, love. And that's what Michael has always been about. It is unfortunate that so many people in this world simply weren't mentally nor spiritually ready for the kind of love he offered. Others, were. The fans of Michael are a special people; they are more rooted in a deep LOVE for him than simple fanatacism. People can't deny the love his mere presence has always emanated, and so many people recipricated in whatever way they could... whether that's in the positive, or the negative. They still do. And it didn't matter where in the world Michael was, people on the other side of the earth could still feel him. I know that it still happens, too...people feeling him even now. His spirit is powerful.


I am writing as I feel led, as usual. I know that all of you here are very special people, and so many out there mis-understand the love you have. Remember that Michael loved you back, even those he didn't know very well. I won't invade anyone's privacy, however, by naming those of you he DID know. You already know who you are.


So, congratulations on a job well done in this thread. And I feel for the loss of those who are no longer with you here. I believe some still had more to say, before disapearring w/o a trace. and so many of you, have been such a support to others here, it's incredible.


I'm contemplating now whether I should post this at all. Believe it or not it's a tough decision to make. I've been working on this post for several days, actually. I just know that I love having been here, and I am glad I am now making myself seen and heard. My goodness, you all have meant so much to Michael, you have to know that. Really. I know it in my heart and soul, and every fiber of my being.

God bless you all and I look forward to posting more on occasion.
Click to expand...
 
Favoritetune said:
Do you think his body guards did or would do something to harm MJ?
Click to expand...

hi FT .:waving: hi everyone ...i did try and post before ..i dont kno if my post got lost in the moderation queue .:thinking:anyhow .
i hope that isnt the case...
bodygards are there to protect our bloke:(,and anyways, what bloody business is it of theirs anyhow ?
 
AllForMJ said:
Hi MJLoverForEver,

Here are some excerpts from the interview that MJ did with USA Today back in December 2001. Reading this will let you see exactly what MJ said about how the music would come to him and how he feels about music's purpose.
Click to expand...


How soo very true that is..! Allot of people thought of Mr.Michael Jackson as a mystery...but...in reality...he truly was not a mystery at all..!

All they (society) had to do is take their blinders off/ear plugs out..."L.I.S.T.E.N"...and all the rest was/is H.I.S.tory..!~~~

Peace...Happiness...L.O.V.E

God Bless Always...:angel:~~~

:rollingpeace::rollingpeace:
 
Last edited:
andrea72 said:
I was beginning to think that the secret woman may've have even been LMP.
How is this woman dealing with all of this knowing that he is no longer here?
Click to expand...
.
Click to expand...

Intriguing point you bring up..!

Let's step back and think a moment..."IF we were Mr.Michael Jackson's LITD, how would we as that individual feel..?"

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E

God Bless Always :angel:~~~

:rollingpeace::rollingpeace:
 
Sdeidjs said:
How soo very true that is..! Allot of people thought of Mr.Michael Jackson as a mystery...but...in reality...he truly was not a mystery at all..!

All they (society) had to do is take their blinders off/ear plugs out..."L.I.S.T.E.N"...and all the rest was/is H.I.S.tory..!~~~

You are right Sdeidjs,
But the problem is that, they (Society, whoever is) do it on purpose. Ofcourse there is the rest of who just follow what we are fed by the media, but those who initiate the rumor, know exact what they are doing and what they want to achieve. And that is to keep you and me out of knowing who the real Michael is. We will fail in their trap and believe in the garbage they accuse MJ for, as the result, the world continue to be a bitter place and not a better place. If we understood MJ message and joined him in healing this world, those of this society won't be happy about it, because they are welloff with evil way
Click to expand...
 
Wanted to share something I felt fit in here. Someone had asked how she might feel without him. This could be how..

"I think it's whatever you decide it to be. If you believe there are many great loves, you'll always find someone better in some manner. If you choose, you can have one person begin to mean so Much to you that all others fall short no matter how stunning in every area. You can let them in to a place you'd never thought possible and once there, no others will ever find that place again as it fits just one. The one who's moulded themselves into your heart and if they were to leave or be taken away somehow, it would hurt beyond belief and though you may live on, the ache would forever be there like an open wound never to heal. And there's the danger of it festering and infecting your whole being that you do die, as happens when people say someones died of a broken heart, particularly in couples who've been together till old age and one of them dies. If another can easily take the place of one you've let in, you've not let them in enough for them to have left that permanent imprint upon your heart that none other could fit. Possibly if it happens, another can form their own imprint on your heart but the other is still there and can still ache. I don't want to test out the separation. It feels so much nicer having them warmly embraced inside it.
Some things go so far beyond puppy love that life truly wouldn't be the same without them. That is when I want to embrace the one who became my true love and accept no other."
 
Ape said:
Wanted to share something I felt fit in here. Someone had asked how she might feel without him. This could be how..

"I think it's whatever you decide it to be. If you believe there are many great loves, you'll always find someone better in some manner. If you choose, you can have one person begin to mean so Much to you that all others fall short no matter how stunning in every area. You can let them in to a place you'd never thought possible and once there, no others will ever find that place again as it fits just one. The one who's moulded themselves into your heart and if they were to leave or be taken away somehow, it would hurt beyond belief and though you may live on, the ache would forever be there like an open wound never to heal. And there's the danger of it festering and infecting your whole being that you do die, as happens when people say someones died of a broken heart, particularly in couples who've been together till old age and one of them dies. If another can easily take the place of one you've let in, you've not let them in enough for them to have left that permanent imprint upon your heart that none other could fit. Possibly if it happens, another can form their own imprint on your heart but the other is still there and can still ache. I don't want to test out the separation. It feels so much nicer having them warmly embraced inside it.
Some things go so far beyond puppy love that life truly wouldn't be the same without them. That is when I want to embrace the one who became my true love and accept no other."
Click to expand...

Ape, This is so beautiful and so true
 
AllforMJ I failed to say this was an amazing post!

AllForMJ;3249469 said:
Thanks, Shila. Glad you all have enjoyed reading my posts. Also, it looks like God has given you the gift of mediation. You’re very good at it.

1 Corinthians 12:7-11

7 A spiritual gift is given to each of us so we can help each other. 8 To one person the Spirit gives the ability to give wise advice; to another the same Spirit gives a message of special knowledge. 9 The same Spirit gives great faith to another, and to someone else the one Spirit gives the gift of healing. 10 He gives one person the power to perform miracles, and another the ability to prophesy. He gives someone else the ability to discern whether a message is from the Spirit of God or from another spirit. Still another person is given the ability to speak in unknown languages, while another is given the ability to interpret what is being said. 11 It is the one and only Spirit who distributes all these gifts. He alone decides which gift each person should have.


Thanks, Sdeidjs. The love story is still continuing because MJ’s love is still in the air, and because there are love songs on his current album. He is still serenading his lady friend with “Best of Joy.” There’s no telling what other love songs he’s worked on that are not out yet.

And about the thread itself, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if MJ ran across this thread one day while visiting MJJC incognito. He most likely knew that MJJCommunity existed. I don’t see how he could not have known about MJJC. MJJC was born when MJJForum and MJNO merged back in 2007. There’s no way MJ would not have heard about the merger. When MJJForum and MJNO merged becoming MJJCommunity it was publicized online.

If he ran across this thread one day while checking out MJJC incognito and spent some time reading, it would have been because he was a love story buff and this one is about him and the love songs he’s been singing. It's a love story that's being written live by a variety of girlie girls that are deciphering MJ's lyrics and having fun seeing how much of a romancer he is. He probably was blushing all over the place and bustin' up laughing too! This thread often turned into a comedy scene. lol Y’all know that man loved to laugh! lol I hope we all brought a smile to his gorgeous face and also brought out that beautiful laugh of his.



Oooohhh, that's what that was. Cuz I was like
thinking-020.gif
is this actually coming across like this? I had to reexamine it
searching-019.gif
a few times cuz it was really startin' to make me wonder.

It's cool, though, Favoritetune. Thanks for explaining what it meant. And, I'm glad you have enjoyed reading the song interpretations.

Ya know…? Maybe I’ll take some time out to explain some of what goes into creating some of the things that I post. It takes a series of things. It’s not cut and dry. MJ is such a deep thinking spiritual person that did everything with tenacity that it takes a bit of work trying to decipher his songs.

Below, is something he wrote on a piece of paper about how he wrote his songs. It is on the first page of the booklet that comes with his 2010 “MICHAEL” CD. The way he wrote his songs was very spiritual. He said:

“I hear the whole entire song and arrangements in my head. What each instrument is supposed to do. I put them down orally on tape then I go out and find that instrument. I don’t give in until I get exactly what I want. I sing every part with my mouth.”

Because of the way that he wrote his songs, it takes a lot of patients just to decipher them. It takes closely listening while following where his songs are leading. It sometimes takes actually going back and looking at some of his videos more than once and really trying to take in all that he had put into them. It takes praying to The One that created him because God is The One that put all of the different things into MJ that makes MJ who he is (and I’m deliberately saying is and not was, because he has not been replaced and will not be replaced. There IS no other Michael Jackson. God only makes one of everybody. Even when He creates twins they are separate individuals with separate personalities). It takes being mindful of the fact that MJ often prayed, and was often in search of answers rooted in truth. It requires taking a moment to stop and really think about things, and paying attention to what comes to you after praying about him. It takes going to the Bible when a song leads to a passage, because the Holy Spirit is leading you there, because MJ was often reading his Bible and it’s naturally starting to show up in his songs. It takes remembering what his aura felt like, because it was a potent feeling that instantly told you there was something very special about him. When I read his various poems and things where he’s mentioning the word silent or silence, I instantly remember his silence and stillness and go "Yep, he really means this."

Only after doing a variety of things—like some of what I’ve mentioned above, can I then try to put it into context. And doing this, while typing, is another task in itself. It gets really involved at times.

I remember once asking God, "What was the proper way for people to interact with MJ?" You know what words came to me? The words, "Playing with the kid in him. Respecting the man that he is."

I guess this is the answer that God gave because He knows that MJ was a brilliant man that was childlike all rolled up into one, and because MJ had learned how to embrace it. At the same time, MJ needed others to embrace it with him. It’s nice that the majority of the people in the world were willing to. MJ truly deserved the world’s love and admiration. He worked very hard for it. He gave up his childhood years for it—all of them.

All the recorded songs, countless photos, concerts, videos, magazine interviews, newspaper interviews, television appearances and public appearances are there for us all to look back at because he hardly ever had a moment when he was not working. He worked through his childhood years and through his adulthood years, too.

He was put through a lot of hurtful things. More than the average person could begin to imagine and it was because of a man that was a real monster—someone that should have investigated, but wasn’t. Instead, MJ was jumped on with no questions asked. He was able to endure, though and stayed committed to his goals because he knew that he was a very strong person, and because God is real. MJ knew he was a strong person back in the 1980’s way before everyone else started noticing his strength in the 2000’s.

In MJ's "Leave Me Alone" video he has a flyer attached to a wooden pole that says "Don't Miss World's Strongest Man."

You know how you can tell that the words on the flyer are about him? You can tell, not only because he stood up at the end of the video, and not only because he was dancing on stage with a ball and chain in the video, but because of something that he said when he interviewed another recording artist. When he interviewed Pharrell Williams back in 2003, he said what you see bolded below in this excerpt:

Williams: If I never work with you, just know that you are unstoppable. That’s why I said, when you’re 100 years old and you decide to dip your entire body in chrome, as much as they say things—and I don’t care what they say about you, sir—they’re going to be right there to see it.

Jackson: There’s a lot of jealousy there. I love all races, I love all people, but sometimes there’s a devil in people, and they get jealous. Every time there’s a luminary that goes beyond the heights of his field of endeavor, people tend to get jealous and try to bring him down. But they can’t with me because I’m very, very, very strong. [laughs] They don’t know that, though.

Williams: They know! Please believe me, they know!

Jackson: Anybody else would’ve cracked by now; they can’t crack me. I’m very strong.

(If you haven’t already read the whole interview, you can go here: http://theneptunes.org/the-michael-jackson-pharrell-williams-interview-2003/ . It’s a really sweet one, because MJ is the one conducting the interview.)


Hey, did you hear what MJ did the day he was vindicated back in June 2005? After leaving the courthouse he went home to Neverland, made a sandwich, watched the Three Stooges on television and laughed. That’s what he did after standing up for himself and winning. lol

Gotta love him…


Ape, you're right about MJ's display of confidence in "Best Of Joy." It can definitely be heard in this love song.

I listened to it with head phones on because I wanted to try and figure out some of the things that he is saying near the end of the song. I also wanted to add in these words so we can see them since they are not in the CD cover. I've typed them out and posted them below.

While listening closely to "Best Of Joy" it becomes apparent that this love song is for his lady friend. It ties in with "Someone In The Dark," "Someone Put Your Hand Out," "The Way You Love Me," "This Is It," "Will You Be There," "For All Time," and "Ben Live" that he put at the end of his "Number Ones" CD.

Someone In The Dark – My star secret friend and me
("Best Of Joy" - "I am your friend")

Someone Put Your Hand Out – "The truth is that I'm longing for love that's so divine"
("Best of Joy" - Our love's a sacred thing)

Divine and sacred are one and the same.

Divine:
1. of, like, or from a god, esp. the Supreme Being. 2. addressed or devoted to God or a god; religious; sacred: divine worship. 3. heavenly; celestial: the divine kingdom. 4. Informal. Extremely good; unusually lovely. 5. being a god; being God. 6. of superhuman or surpassing excellence. 7. Obs. of or pertaining to divinity or theology. –n. 8. a theologian scholar in religion. 9. a priest or cleric. 10. the Divine. a. God b. the spiritual aspect in humans regarded as godly or godlike. –v.t. 11. to discover or declare by divination; prophesy.

Sacred:
1. devoted or dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose; consecrated. 2. entitled to veneration or religious respect by association with divinity or divine things; holy. 3. pertaining to or connected with religion (opposed to secular or profane). 4. reverently dedicated to some person, purpose, or object; consecrated: a morning hour sacred to study. 5. regarded with reverence: the sacred memory of a dead hero. 6. secured against violation, infringement, etc. as by reverence or sense of right: sacred oaths.
___________

(I like) The Way You Love Me – "You took away the rain and brought the sunshine"
("Best of Joy" – "You are the spring" and the line "You are the sun that lights up the sky.")

Spring comes after the rainy season ends. It's the time of year when the sun begins to shine again. It is the season between winter and summer. Springtime is warm. Telling her she is the spring and the sun that lights up the sky reveals he was no longer feeling the cold and rain that he was singing about in "Stranger In Moscow."

This Is It – "Falling in love wasn’t my plan" and "I can feel this is real"
("Best of Joy" – What you do it to me for? Won't you do it to me more?)

Will You Be There – "I'll never let you part, for you're always in my heart"
("Best of Joy" - We'll never part. Our love is from the heart.)

For All Time – "Baby, you gotta know. When I say I love you, that's for all time" and the line "And maybe the walls will tumble."
("Best of Joy" – "You know I always will love you" and the line "Wasn't it I who carried you around when all the walls came tumbling down?")

"Ben" live (from his Number Ones CD) – With a friend to call my own, I'll never be alone and you my friend will see you’ve got a friend in me
("Best of Joy" – "I am your friend through thick and thin.")


<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VWct_WmVsMU"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VWct_WmVsMU" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>


"BEST OF JOY"
(w/additional lyrics)

I am your joy
Your best of joy
I am the moonlight
You are the spring
Our love's a sacred thing
You know I always will love you

I am forever
I am the one who came when you fell down
I was the only one around (the only one)
When things were hurting you
I am forever
Wasn't it I who said that you are free?
When living seemed so hard to be
And things were hurting you

I am forever (I am forever)
We are forever (We are forever)

I am your friend
Through thick and thin
We need each other
We'll never part
Our love is from the heart
We never say I don't need you

We are forever
I am the one who said that you are free
When living seemed so hard to be (the only one)
And nothing would cheer you

I am forever
Wasn't it I who carried you around?
When all the walls came tumbling down
When things would hurt you

I am forever (I am forever)
We are forever (We are forever)

You are the sun that lights up the sky
When things are shady
Let come what may we do get by
I was the only one around (the only one)
When things would hurt you

We are forever (I am forever)
We are forever (I am forever)
Uh-huh
We are forever
What you do it to me for?
We are forever
Won't you do it to me more?
I can keep you strong
We are forever (forever)
Ooooooo
Won&#8217;t you do it?
Alright
We are forever
Uh-huh
Won't you do it?
Alright
I am forever (forever)
Oooooooo
(whistling)
I am forever
Uh-huh
Awwwww
Alright
We are forever
Ooooooo
We are forever
Eeeeeeee
Awwwww
I am forever
Ooooooo
I am forever
(fade out)


It's being said online that "Best of Joy" is one of the very last songs that MJ was working on for his "This Is It" concerts series.

From listening to this love song, he's revealing that he was there for her just as much as she was there for him, and because of this, he was certain that their love was the type of love that would last. His tone of voice, his lyrics and his music reveals he was very happy. "Best of Joy" is also affirming what I was trying to point out below in Sept. 2008.



Yep, you hit the nail directly on the head. It's nice that you can hear MJ's confidence in "Best of Joy."

With all the other CDs that MJ had his hand in from start to finish, beginning from "Number Ones" up to "Thriller 25," he is revealing that he was trying really hard to pull away from his pain. This is why when we look at his long list of songs that he selected for his "Ultimate Collections" box set that tells a musical story about his life, the majority of his songs that are on the HIStory CD like Scream, and the others like it, are not in the box set. He didn&#8217;t even put "Leave Me Alone" from his "Bad" album into the box set.

Although his current album is an excellent one, we still must keep in mind that the songs that are on it were not solely selected by MJ. The album was completed with the help of others. But, since MJ did originally place "The Way You Love Me" in his box set back in 2004, and because he did recently record some new love songs, like "Best of Joy", they are tying into the thread.

Also, from listening to "Best of Joy," MJ is revealing he was the type of man that wanted his woman to need him. If he knew he was needed, it made it easier for him to do loving things for her from his heart and feel safe doing so. It allowed him to be him and to use his strength for her. From listening to what he said at the beginning of "For All Time," he wanted her to know that she could lean on him if she needed to.

From looking at the way that MJ was singing to her before the trial, through the trial, and following the trial, those two were really hanging in there with each other, and it seems to be what MJ liked the most and why he sounds so decisive while letting her know he's there for her. If she hung in there with him during a tough time in his life like the trial, then he knew she truly cared. He could tell his heart was safe with her and this is most likely why he is singing the line "Our love is from the heart." That's how love is supposed to be. It is supposed to be able to nourish both individuals as God intended it to, and MJ liked the way that it felt. That's what was being revealed when his "Love Never Felt So Good" demo surfaced. He was happy about being in love again. Thank God love travels.

Happy Belated Valentine's Day, everyone!
:D
Click to expand...

AllforMJ I also, I read something before that I think you posted about starting another thread in line with this and I keep looking for that post to look it up but am yet to find it. Do you remember sharing that and would you be okay with posting it again if it's not a bother?

Lainy, it was nice to see you around again, I hadn't seen you in a while. Also State of Shock I really enjoyed reading your recent writings as well as many other peoples.

I've just been going back through some posts today and wanted to say that so don't be mad if I'm repeating myself.
 
Last edited:
It sounds to me as though he is frequently referring to his fans when he says "she". His fans have been with him always, some for 45 years and they never bashed nor betrayed him, and he knew he could count on them. Even when he gave his press conference at the O2, I believe he was pleasantly surprised to see that his fans were still there loving him and wanting to see him.....they never left him. Not all of his love songs were for his fans, but I'm just saying that I think many of them were.
 
Hey, did you hear what MJ did the day he was vindicated back in June 2005? After leaving the courthouse he went home to Neverland, made a sandwich, watched the Three Stooges on television and laughed. That&#8217;s what he did after standing up for himself and winning. lol
Click to expand...

Awww that is adorable :wub:
 
MJLoverForEver said:
Sdeidjs said:
How soo very true that is..! Allot of people thought of Mr.Michael Jackson as a mystery...but...in reality...he truly was not a mystery at all..!

All they (society) had to do is take their blinders off/ear plugs out..."L.I.S.T.E.N"...and all the rest was/is H.I.S.tory..!~~~

You are right Sdeidjs,
But the problem is that, they (Society, whoever is) do it on purpose. Ofcourse there is the rest of who just follow what we are fed by the media, but those who initiate the rumor, know exact what they are doing and what they want to achieve. And that is to keep you and me out of knowing who the real Michael is. We will fail in their trap and believe in the garbage they accuse MJ for, as the result, the world continue to be a bitter place and not a better place. If we understood MJ message and joined him in healing this world, those of this society won't be happy about it, because they are welloff with evil way
Click to expand...

Others may have fell for the "rumor mill" of the tabloid journalism machine...However, being a "great admirer" and a (behind the scene (s) "advocate" of Mr.Michael Jackson/Jackson Family for 40 plus years.

I "never" once doubted what and who Michael Jackson has "always" been about..!

Therefore, NO ONE can "ever" change H.I.Story...the undiscovered Michaelangelo... "TRUTH OF JUSTICE" is going to come out some day and the BLACK & WHITE ignorances of society...will be changed forever"..!~

(c) 1995 - 2011

Happiness, Peace, L.O.V.E

God Bless Always :angel:

:rollingpeace::rollingpeace:
Click to expand...
 
Ape said:
Wanted to share something I felt fit in here. Someone had asked how she might feel without him. This could be how..

"I think it's whatever you decide it to be. If you believe there are many great loves, you'll always find someone better in some manner. If you choose, you can have one person begin to mean so Much to you that all others fall short no matter how stunning in every area. You can let them in to a place you'd never thought possible and once there, no others will ever find that place again as it fits just one. The one who's moulded themselves into your heart and if they were to leave or be taken away somehow, it would hurt beyond belief and though you may live on, the ache would forever be there like an open wound never to heal. And there's the danger of it festering and infecting your whole being that you do die, as happens when people say someones died of a broken heart, particularly in couples who've been together till old age and one of them dies. If another can easily take the place of one you've let in, you've not let them in enough for them to have left that permanent imprint upon your heart that none other could fit. Possibly if it happens, another can form their own imprint on your heart but the other is still there and can still ache. I don't want to test out the separation. It feels so much nicer having them warmly embraced inside it.
Some things go so far beyond puppy love that life truly wouldn't be the same without them. That is when I want to embrace the one who became my true love and accept no other."
Click to expand...


Excellent deduction Ape;

On that note - Here is a "breathtakingly beautiful" composition,
my reflective thought, on how I feel Mr.Michael Jackson's LITD would certainly feel...(c) 1995 - 2011


http://youtu.be/pmuqORloBJw


Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E

God Bless Always :angel:~~~

:rollingpeace::rollingpeace:
 
Last edited:
Thank you Susie. It wasn't about this thread, but I thought it'd be probably close to how she may feel and I remember someone asking the question what we thought she may feel..and I thought it'd be how I'd feel in that position so maybe she'd feel similar.

Your video won't play for me which is a real shame. I wanted to see it. Maybe once
Im on a real computer it'll work.

I also wanted to say that you could be right Joyce. It's very possible much of it was about and for fans. I keep hearing how much fans meant to him.
 
Last edited:
Hi Wendijane! Someone else had made that statement that if MJ were with his litdg then his security would not be there so I was just wondering why that person thought she would stop them from being there. That's why I was asking the person who wrote that if they thought MJ's security meant MJ any harm because the only thing I can imagine his litdg would do concerning his security is try to protect him if they meant to hurt him.

Ape,

In your post you wrote - "whatever you decide" concerning "lovers." Do you think it's what we decide or do you think our Creator has actually taken the time to lovingly select and design someone perfect for each of us? I think people chase after love or are being chased and they get distracted from what God's plans are. What many try to do is think of a list of things they think they want, find those images in a person and then tell God he or she is so handsome or beautiful they just gotta have them or whatever it is that drives their eyes and desires in the moment. That's a superficial love. It's an imitation and it fades. I've seen it played out in front of me many times with guys I know. They are like dogs in heat. I've seen ladies I know jump from one relationship to another wanting to make it what they decide but it never really turns out that way other than the very select few who God guided. You've probably seen them as old couples still nestling up to eachother stealing kisses, laughing and being full of love or even in the young ones when you just look at them and know they were meant to be together but it's rare. Sometimes I wonder why are so many people miserable and jumping in and out of relationships and getting divorced are stuck in a relationship that's pure misery, then I eventually find out that God wasn't at the center of it and they just hooked up with someone being led by their hormones or fears of being alone. Some people take their love for granted and cheat on them and that kills a good thing.

If I had to wonder how she would feel without MJ if there's a she and he's her soul mate from all I've read here I would think she's walking around feeling incomplete, like half her soul was gone but hopeful that God would move in the midst of her circumstances.

I don't think another can take the place of the person God created to share a life with another soul. I think other people could be great distractions if we allowed it but at some point when perhaps it's too late we'd realize all we did was waste time. It's the way of the world so only true romantics and those with tremendous faith would likely hold out for God's best, atleast that's what I think.

Ape said:
Wanted to share something I felt fit in here. Someone had asked how she might feel without him. This could be how..

"I think it's whatever you decide it to be. If you believe there are many great loves, you'll always find someone better in some manner. If you choose, you can have one person begin to mean so Much to you that all others fall short no matter how stunning in every area. You can let them in to a place you'd never thought possible and once there, no others will ever find that place again as it fits just one. The one who's moulded themselves into your heart and if they were to leave or be taken away somehow, it would hurt beyond belief and though you may live on, the ache would forever be there like an open wound never to heal. And there's the danger of it festering and infecting your whole being that you do die, as happens when people say someones died of a broken heart, particularly in couples who've been together till old age and one of them dies. If another can easily take the place of one you've let in, you've not let them in enough for them to have left that permanent imprint upon your heart that none other could fit. Possibly if it happens, another can form their own imprint on your heart but the other is still there and can still ache. I don't want to test out the separation. It feels so much nicer having them warmly embraced inside it.
Some things go so far beyond puppy love that life truly wouldn't be the same without them. That is when I want to embrace the one who became my true love and accept no other."
Click to expand...

Joyce,

Songs are kinda like greeting cards I think. They are so special someone else can pick them up and they say the perfect thing. I don't really see a writer writing a love song saying she and meaning a group of fans especially not one as talented and expressive as Michael. I think God blessed Michael to write from his heart and his fans feel it in theirs so in essence his sharing it with us makes them for us all.
 
Hey Lainy!

I missed your post, thank you for sharing the post by Justus!

Justus,

Thanks for writing us! Very intriguing thoughts you shared. Looking forward to your next visit.

Lainy said:
Hello guys! Yesterday I was having a moment of nostalgia, not such a good thing but I read recently that evokes positive affective states and increases creativity and improves self esteem. Jeez! This isn't bad at all. lol
I was lurking on this thread and I went back a few posts. There are many interesting things written in here over the years. mysterygirl7 and Victoria83 and Justus are examples, they wrote such beautiful things that gave us the opportunity to reflect on.
I couldn't post all them so I'll post one in especial moved me and I think it's worth reading again.
Click to expand...
 
Hi everyone. How are you all doin'? Ape...big wave for you!

Favoritetune said:
Do you think it's what we decide or do you think our Creator has actually taken the time to lovingly select and design someone perfect for each of us? I think people chase after love or are being chased and they get distracted from what God's plans are. What many try to do is think of a list of things they think they want, find those images in a person and then tell God he or she is so handsome or beautiful they just gotta have them or whatever it is that drives their eyes and desires in the moment. That's a superficial love.
Click to expand...

FT,

Stopping by to ask you some things about your thoughts shared above. I wonder if you could give some tools that others can use to apply to their own romantic situations so they don't end up in something superficial that God had never guided them into in the first place.

How does one recognize when it is God's loving selection for them? What are the signs? How can it be tested so one does not make an error? Does one only learn better how to do this after they make a few mistakes in their lives first?

Did MJ know, then stopped knowing and married a couple people, and then knew once again? Or did he not know before he married, and figured it out later? Or did he never figure it out? This thread I suppose, based on all we've talked about and the way we've looked at his lyrics, would say he did come to know. We have said he asked God (a love so divine) and one would think he had the kind of faith to believe if he asked God, God would tell him, or God would show him.

What if someone isn't quite as tuned into God as MJ...how can they know when God is guiding them to be with a particular person and they just have to wait it out? Can it be clear? How?
 
Hello favorite tune and everyone.

To respond to your post... Hmm how do I respond? Well this that I posted was in response to someone saying that they don't believe in one great love; that there are many possibile loves for each person, many compatible. So the response is saying that if that's what you believe then that's what it'll be (I think). Because if you believe that there might be others then won't you always find someone better than the one your with? "new and improved".

I don't know what I believe yet. I really hope it is how you've said. It's how I believed for years. I hope I find out. Maybe soon I'll know.

I really like your explanation though. What does it say in the bible about it, does anyone know? I can't remember anything about it.

Also *waves* hi shila! I also would like to hear an answer to what you've written there. If there is an answer.
 
Also I should add(and sorry I'm Typing this on my phone and unable to edit a post properly so it's going to be a double post).
If it really is that way, that God has one person made specially for each of us( or rather two made for each other) then I do believe that it was done with great care, attention to all kinds of details, and love. I just haven't seen many relationships God put together, so it's hard for me to know from experience. I'm single too, so it's hard for me to speak with authority on the topic, (but possibly met the one God has intended for me. Long story and I guess I will find out in time for sure). So if you could answer Shila's questions it may help some of us who aren't sure how to recognize the love God has intended for us. Can we fool ourselves into seeing signs interpreted as being from God, or are they God sent signs sent to help us recognize our love. I'd imagine a great many women (fans) would find all kinds of signs to prove to them they are meant to be with Michael Jackson or other talented well known individuals. If they actually were meant for that celebrity, how would they distinguish that from being just another love struck admirer? On that note, how would MJ (or other celebs..) in a position of attraction from numerous sources distinguish which of these women convinced of being his one love (if any) would be the actual one brought by God intended solely for him and he for her? Would they ever end up together, or always be questioning whether they had only fooled themselves into believing it because they wanted it so bad? How do you tell? Would you only feel that way if it came from God?

Possibly they didn't want it at first but began to discover how perfectly made for each other they are over time? All the details God had carefully crafted begin to show and when exposed, it becomes clear just how perfect they fit each other? So the only thing that makes them question it is their own insecurities and self doubt maybe, or even if their are people around them with jealousy, the people could wreck havoc on the couple and plant doubt if they had a moment lacking faith... Weak moment.
 
Last edited:
Wow! You ladies are really giving me quite the assignment aren't you?

To be honest with you I don't have all of the answers but I will spend some time in the word and try to find things to help.

There are several scriptures that shows how God has His hands in bringing people together, obviously Adam and Eve, Jacob and Rachel and many others but let me tell you about Jacob and Rachel though you probably already know.

Jacob fell in love with Rachel at first site. I believe she was the woman God intended him to be with. He started working for her dad and his dad promised he'd let him marry her if he worked for him for an extended period of time and Jacob did just that.

I pulled the scripture up for you:

"Jacob saw a well where the shepherds were gathering their flocks to water them, and met Laban's younger daughter Rachel, Jacob's first cousin; she was working as a shepherdess. He loved her immediately, and after spending a month with his relatives, asked for her hand in marriage in return for working seven years for Laban. Laban agreed to the arrangement. These seven years seemed to Jacob "but a few days, for the love he had for her"

The second he met her he fell in love.

Now if you know Jacob you also know that he tricked his brother out of his birthright:

Now before I post the next scripture here's a who's who:

Isaac is Jacobs dad
Rebekah is his mom and
Esau is his older brother




"Isaac became blind in his old age and, uncertain of when he would die, decided to bestow the blessing of the firstborn upon Esau. He sent Esau out to the fields to trap and cook a piece of savory game for him, so that he could eat it and bless Esau.

Rebekah overheard this conversation and realized prophetically that Isaac's blessings would go to Jacob, since she was told before the twins' birth that the older son would serve the younger.[14] She therefore ordered Jacob to bring her two goats from the flock, which she cooked in the way Isaac loved, and had him bring them to his father in place of Esau.

When Jacob protested that his father would recognize the deception and curse him as soon as he felt him, since Esau was hairy and Jacob smooth-skinned, Rebekah said that the curse would be on her instead. Before she sent Jacob to his father, she dressed him in Esau's garments and laid goatskins on his arms and neck to simulate hairy skin.

Thus disguised, Jacob entered his father's room. Surprised to perceive that Esau was back so soon, Isaac asked how it could be that the hunt went so quickly. Jacob responded, "Because the Lord your God arranged it for me"; Rashi (on Genesis 27:21) says Isaac's suspicions were aroused because Esau never used the personal name of God. Isaac demanded that Jacob come close so he could feel him, but the goatskins felt just like Esau's hairy skin. Confused, Isaac exclaimed, "The voice is the voice of Jacob, but the hands are the hands of Esau!" (27:22). Still trying to get at the truth, Isaac asked him point-blank, "Are you really my son Esau?" and Jacob answered simply, "I am" (which can be taken as "I am me", not "I am Esau"). Isaac proceeded to eat the food and to drink the wine that Jacob gave him, and then he blessed him with the dew of the heavens, the fatness of the earth, and rulership over many nations as well as his own brother."

So after this had happened he had to run away from his big brother thinking he would kill him. Then he went to this place called Haran and met Rachel. and everything I said above. After working for her dad 7 years so he could marry her his dad switched Rachel for her older sister in the marriage chamber and he didn't know it until morning.

"In the morning, when the truth became known, Laban justified himself, saying that in his country it was unheard of to give the younger daughter before the older. However, he agreed to give Rachel in marriage as well if Jacob would work another seven years for her. After the week of wedding celebrations with Leah, Jacob married Rachel, and he continued to work for Laban for another seven years."

I think Jacobs older brother may have been supposed to mary Leah but since he stole his birthright by deception everything got messed up.

"Esau first married at the age of forty, two Canaanite women:[12] Adah (Bashemath)[13] and Aholibamah (Judith).[14] This arrangement grieved his parents.[15] To pacify his parents for a while, Esau changed their Canaanite names to Hebraic names.[13] When it came time for his brother to take a wife, their father Isaac blessed Jacob who instructed him not to marry a Canaanite. Upon seeing that his brother was blessed and that his father rejected the union of a Canaanite, Esau went to the house of his uncle Ishmael and married his cousin.[16] She was the daughter of Ishmael, who was known as Bashemath. Since Esau already had a wife whom he called by that name, he renamed his third wife Bashemath, to Mahalath"

Esau wound up marrying three times and I don't know what God did to intervene in all that mess.

Before I end this don't think Esau was poor innocent victim in all of this, he didn't regard God's blessings and had traded them:

"One day, Esau went out into the woods to hunt for some food. Esau walked and crawled all day and never was able to kill himself something to eat. When Esau returned home that evening, Esau walked passed Jacob's tent. Jacob was in front of his tent, cooking a big pot of stew over his campfire.

"Oh, that smells good!" Esau grunted, as his stomach began to growl.

"Yes, it is," Jacob smiled. "I put everything you like in this stew. Actually, I think that this stew is the best stew that I have ever made."

"Can I have some, please?" Esau begged. "I'm so hungry, I think I'm going to die!"

"Well," Jacob began. "I was planning on giving away what I didn't eat to one of my friends. He's hungry, too," Jacob slyly replied.

"Please. I'll give you anything!" Esau promised.

"Anything?" Jacob grinned.

"Yes. Just give me a bowl of that stew!" Esau shouted with hunger.

"I'll give you a bowl of my stew for your birthright," Jacob offered.

Now a birthright was something very valuable back in those days. When a father died, his oldest son, who had the birthright, would receive the biggest part of the inheritance. He would get more land, more cattle, more money, more servants - more of everything that his father owned. And since Esau was born just a few seconds before Jacob, Esau was the oldest and therefore he had the birthright. When their father Isaac died, Esau was to inherit a whole lot more than Jacob. However, before the father died, he would call in his oldest son and pronounce a special blessing upon him. This was considered more valuable than the cattle and servants he would receive.

"Yes!" Esau eagerly shouted. "What good is my birthright if I die of hunger tonight? I won't be alive to inherit anything, so my birthright has no value to me!" The Bible says that Esau despised his birthright."

So I wrote, copied and pasted all of that to say this.

1. Be in God's will

2. Don't try to take what's not yours- you may not want it.

3. Seek God

I think God is constantly re routing roads before us trying to make things work for our good but I think men and ladies too are trying to lay their own roads thinking they have short cuts to get what they want. Only God knows what we want and need.

I gotta go ladies but when I get a chance I'll try to make more since of whatever it is I just said.

Here's a pic. the had for Jacob and Rachel the woman he instantly fell in love with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rachel_WilliamDyce.jpg

Oh and yes, I think God would bless Michael in knowing who his love was at first site. Maybe they got separated or something.


Shila said:
Hi everyone. How are you all doin'? Ape...big wave for you!



FT,

Stopping by to ask you some things about your thoughts shared above. I wonder if you could give some tools that others can use to apply to their own romantic situations so they don't end up in something superficial that God had never guided them into in the first place.

How does one recognize when it is God's loving selection for them? What are the signs? How can it be tested so one does not make an error? Does one only learn better how to do this after they make a few mistakes in their lives first?

Did MJ know, then stopped knowing and married a couple people, and then knew once again? Or did he not know before he married, and figured it out later? Or did he never figure it out? This thread I suppose, based on all we've talked about and the way we've looked at his lyrics, would say he did come to know. We have said he asked God (a love so divine) and one would think he had the kind of faith to believe if he asked God, God would tell him, or God would show him.

What if someone isn't quite as tuned into God as MJ...how can they know when God is guiding them to be with a particular person and they just have to wait it out? Can it be clear? How?
Click to expand...
 
What do you know, Mr. Favoritetune, it seems you know how to rightly divide the word of God. :)

Or...did ya just get a quick lesson on Wiki? lol.

You mention Jacob tricking Esau out of his birthright, and Jacob suffered repercussions from that deception (even though it was his mother's instigated plan that he followed). He got tricked right back, didn't he, by Laban, who switched his older daughter Leah, with Rachel, so Jacob married her instead.

I had never heard (or on my own seen) this pespective you offer here:

FT said:
I think Jacobs older brother may have been supposed to marry Leah but since he stole his birthright by deception everything got messed up.
Click to expand...

That is a very interesting way to look at it. I like it. I also enjoyed you laying out for us Esau's marital history. And I like the way you added:

FT said:
... I don't know what God did to intervene in all that mess.
Click to expand...

Even in our messes God does in his compassion intervene. Consider Leah. God did. He blessed Leah in many ways because he noted she was unloved by her husband. It wasn't Leah's fault that her father made her go in that dark tent and pretend to be Rachel on her sister's wedding night. And how did it feel for her when she caught a look of her husband's face when he saw it was her in the morning's light and not his beloved Rachel?

God later honored Rachel by her being the mother of Jacob's favotire son, Joseph, who would become the salvation of Israel (Jacob's whole clan) by providing food for them and having them join him in Egypt where he was second only to Pharoah.

But how did God honor Leah? Her third son with Jacob was Judah...and who became the Lion of Judah, the salvation of not just Isreal but to anyone who comes to Him in the whole world? Jesus is in the direct line of Judah...and Leah, not Rachel.

When Rachel died, she became ill when Jacob and his family were traveling home on the road, and she died there, and was buried somewhere off the side of the road. Alone. :(

When Leah died, she was placed in a tomb where later Jacob was laid to rest, and they lie together side by side for eternity. Does it not seem like God honored Leah?

We cause ourselves all kinds of troubles because of our sin nature, and we have to swallow the repercussions (like Jacob did), but God is a God who can fix all our messes with compassion, fairness and goodness.
 
Last edited:
The history of Jacob and Esau though it seems to end well, appears to be a tragic story.

You're right it was by Jacobs mother's urging that he conned his dad but it was in his nature to do wrong. You saw the story about the stew right? They both must have had some serious issues with deception.

Him marrying Leah instaed of Rachel is what many would call Karma. He loved Rachel so much he was willing to work seven years to take her hand in marriage and when that didn't work as he'd hoped and planned he was willing to wait and work seven more.

The tragedy of the story is in the likelihood that everything for him and the love of his life could have been much better had he only sought to please God moreso than mother or self, had he not stolen what was rightfully his brothers. I think because of his families many mistakes God was pretty busy trying to fix their messes and everyone suffered because of them. It is not a good thing to have to suffer and it is far worse to suffer outside of the will of God. In the end God blessed them all but did his brother ever know true love or was he stuck with the ones he settled for. Did he not find love in the first and went to the second and still not being satisfied moved in effort of pleasing his dad and married the third? Wouldn't it be better for him and everyone to have his own wife? Wouldn't it be better for the women to have their own husband? Look even at the resntment Rachel and Leah lived through as a consequence. They were constantly in competition with eachother.

If Esau was meant to be with Leah then it may have been part of Esaus birthright to first marry and his bride just may have been meant to be Leah but Esau failed to honor God and his dad and disregarded his birthright and traded it for stew of all things.

I wrote all of that to say the world get polluted with marriages that were not of God but that though I don't know how God can take a serious mess and turn it into a good thing it would be far, far better to just hold onto a good thing and avoid the evil.

To love God is to obey Him. That's what Jesus said "if you loved me you would obey my commandments." God honors those that love and obey Him far, far above those who do not. Of course it rains on the just and unjust and God loves all of His children.

I really don't know what else to say right now about knowing and being with the one God has created for you but I'm pretty apt to learn from peoples mistakes and if you ladies can do that then there are plenty you can find concerning Jacob and Esau. Also, Esau lucked out because his dad was a mighty man of favor with God and his dad was able to bless him before he passed, had he not who knows how his life would have ended for him forsaking the blessings God had prepared.


Shila said:
What do you know, Mr. Favoritetune, it seems you know how to rightly divide the word of God. :)

Or...did ya just get a quick lesson on Wiki? lol.

You mention Jacob tricking Esau out of his birthright, and Jacob suffered repercussions from that deception (even though it was his mother's instigated plan that he followed). He got tricked right back, didn't he, by Laban, who switched his older daughter Leah, with Rachel, so Jacob married her instead.

I had never heard (or on my own seen) this pespective you offer here:



That is a very interesting way to look at it. I like it. I also enjoyed you laying out for us Esau's marital history. And I like the way you added:



Even in our messes God does in his compassion intervene. Consider Leah. God did. He blessed Leah in many ways because he noted she was unloved by her husband. It wasn't Leah's fault that her father made her go in that dark tent and pretend to be Rachel on her sister's wedding night. And how did it feel for her when she caught a look of her husband's face when he saw it was her in the morning's light and not his beloved Rachel?

God later honored Rachel by her being the mother of Jacob's favotire son, Joseph, who would become the salvation of Israel (Jacob's whole clan) by providing food for them and having them join him in Egypt where he was second only to Pharoah.

But how did God honor Leah? Her third son with Jacob was Judah...and who became the Lion of Judah, the salvation of not just Isreal but to anyone who comes to Him in the whole world? Jesus is in the direct line of Judah...and Leah, not Rachel.

When Rachel died, she became ill when Jacob and his family were traveling home on the road, and she died there, and was buried somewhere off the side of the road. Alone. :(

When Leah died, she was placed in a tomb where later Jacob was laid to rest, and they lie together side by side for eternity. Does it not seem like God honored Leah?

We cause ourselves all kinds of troubles because of our sin nature, and we have to swallow the repercussions (like Jacob did), but God is a God who can fix all our messes with compassion, fairness and goodness.
Click to expand...
 
Does anyone know why the colors to the message board changed and things look different?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top