Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[ms fairy]

Sounds like a nice Backstreet song but its not an MJ song. I think I have to go back some pages and read I just clicked on this last page, need to catch up!

 

[ms fairy]

YaY!! Thank you so much AllforMJ i read your post providing instructions. So clicking 'remember me' makes the difference! I can already tell this is working-yes-because before I couldn't even read much as it would cut out on me as well! So now I can read and post, now I can go back and read some of the posts that I missed and some I want to read again!
I have a question, what do we hope or wish to get out of this thread? Do we have a goal or vision? What kinds of outcomes or results? Like I know most of us have no intention of killing her or wanting her hurt and harmed in any way. What if she were to appear in L.A. during the trial? Would we support protect, try to help her? Should we give her this thread as a present? Like we know there has been a few cuckoo fans over the years and we know sometimes the media and tabloids can be nasty. And we also know some of these characters seem to be quite the criminals. We know that some of them are very dangerous and MJ has shared these things in songs, vids and poems. Then there's the children and they were planning their 4th child, she must be mortified and the children and her are not together, that's harsh and painful. I have been thinking and asking myself some of these things for awhile now....For me I believe it's about...love, truth, justice, peace, healing and without her it won't happen. So how can we be advocative and supportive of her and MJ as he said nobody cares about us? Obviously there has been many injustices done to them. We the fans might be the only ones that care. We care and have a genuine interest otherwise we wouldn't be here and this thread would not be this huge. She needs to be part of it after all its his and her life and her and the children need to be together. Part of the conspiracy was to have them silenced or dead. There is no doubt she was silenced and made invisible. And there is a song about that too. Given by the lyrics they obviously could not meet half way. And there is a borderline and trackers and whackers. Things seem complicated yet solutions can be simple sometimes. Michael was very courageous, he obviously tried to be a good man, mate and father with his unique circumstances. I realized it's most important to believe in MJ, really hear what he shares and watch how he shows it. I would like to see her get this thread as a gift eventually and I feel its important that she gets there to L.A. and help resolve these things behind the scenes. I am concerned for her safety security and well being though. Now I am going to catch up reading this thread! I can't get over this thread its huge and all kinds of good stuff in it!

 

[AllForMJ]

Beautiful drummer's interview. Are unparalleled the emotions that Michael's songs awaken us. He speaks to the heart of a very particular way. He's somebody special really, for us and for God. I've never been next to him (unfortunately) but If I may feel this through his songs, his voice, his art I can imagine that's even stronger when you're next to him...
Beautiful post AllForMJ.


You know, it's exactly what I think Michael would do to stay next to his beloved, don't you think? Maybe It's my romantic vision about love but I really think he would do this. That's why I have many doubts about the lady in the dark existence. Just a thought...

Thanks, Lainy. Also, you are right about MJ. He would do that. What he is saying in "One More Chance" is an indicator that he would. He was focused on being in love during the trial even though that trial was the hardest thing he's ever done in his life. Several months after being exonerated, he did an interview by phone from Bahrain and he actually said the trial was the hardest thing he's ever done in his life. Yet, when we look back at 2004, we can see that he had also rounded up the strength to put out "The Ultimate Collection." There's proof that he kept working on his music during the trial. Many of us fans bought "The Ultimate Collection" during the very year that he released it.

God was present in MJ's life and nothing is impossible for God to assist someone with. If He was able to lead the way for MJ to win that '03-'05 court battle, once MJ had finally gotten a chance to fight for his dignity against the lie that was originally told by Evan Chandler, then why would we even think that God could not answer MJ's prayers for a new woman to love, too? If we do that, then we will be trying to set limits on God's abilities.

Here is something else to help you to see that MJ had found someone new before he passed away. This is another post from '08.

30-07-2008, 06:51 PM

Yes! It sure is!

It's like the things in his life that makes him who he is are starting to line up again and he can feel it happening.

It also seems like even if he and his friend are not together the way he'd like them to be he is happy just having her around. I don't think all future love songs will be about her, but it's nice hearing the ones that are. It's nice hearing him serenade. In "Someone Put Your Hand Out" that's what he said he would do. Looks like he's kept his word.

Remember how MJ's drummer was saying MJ could feel when something was missing from music? Well, if MJ was able to tell when something was missing from music, because he could feel it, then wouldn't he also be able to feel the type of love that he had been searching for once it was present in his life after being missing? Sure he would, and he did. His "Love Never Felt So Good" demo surfacing online back in 2006 is an indication of that. When a person is in love their life is in harmony. There is no way MJ would not feel that.

Listen to what he is singing from 0:36 to 0:43 in this video while he is rehearsing "Human Nature."



Did you hear him? He's singing "keeping her around," isn't he?

MJ was in love before he left this earth. Just because Evan Chandler had the audacity to tell a major disgusting lie about MJ to wreak havoc in MJ's life for money, and just because someone else had the nerve to come along trying to build on the same lie for money too, doesn't mean that God would go along with any of it. God knew the truth about MJ. God knew MJ was only into being with women and that placing a new woman in MJ's life to focus his attention on, and express his feelings for, would keep him motivated. MJ was a very strong and determined man. He was also a man that said in the song "Give In To Me" that he spent a lifetime looking for someone. In that song, he also made it clear to the person that it was about at that time that he would move on, too, and that he would be okay after doing so. Mike was like, "Next..." He wasn't the type of man that would get himself into a bunch of trouble trying to force a woman to stay with him. After a while, he moved on.

Now, imagine if he had just found the type of love that he had been searching for for so long, and just as he is realizing that he has, he gets interrupted by some reoccurring nonsense that is tying up his time like what happened starting from '03. What do you think he would do? He would most likely get ticked off and then he would work even harder to get to her by pushing out of the way whatever had interrupted him. MJ was truly that strong.

Here's an example of how strong he was.

He had just released his "Number Ones" CD in November 2003, right? It was a single CD of his #1 hits and it is the very CD that has "One More Chance" on it. There were up to 18 songs on the CD and some of the songs on the CD are slightly different based upon what country they were distributed in. Right when he had released "Number Ones" his home, Neverland, was raided. After that, all the madness started and went full throttle.

Number Ones CD

The "Number Ones" CD in the U.S. has the following songs:

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
Rock With You
Billie Jean
Beat It
Thriller
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Bad
Smooth Criminal
The Way You Make Me Feel
Man in the Mirror
Dirty Diana
Black or White
You Are Not Alone
Earth Song
You Rock My World
Break of Dawn
One More Chance
Ben (Live)

To see the song list you can go here:
http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/music/number-ones

How did MJ respond when the release of "Number Ones" was overshadowed by the trial? He responded like this.

While going through the actual trial itself, he put out something even bigger. That's when we got "The Ultimate Collection" box set. It came with even more songs, plus a DVD with a full concert. And look at how beautiful the box set is. When you really look at it you can see that MJ had put a lot of thought into it. He was the Executive Producer of the project.

The front and back of the box set casing looks beautiful. The inside is beautiful even if you take out all of the discs. Each disc is beautiful. The 60-page booklet is very detailed, loaded with information about him, his videos, and filled with photos of him from the beginning of his career on up. There are photos of each and every album that he worked on with his brothers along with the albums that he did as a solo artist. There are photos of him performing on stage. And, there is also information about all of his awards, along with info about his charity work. And then, in addition to all of this, the bottom right corner of the booklet shows him doing the moonwalk for the very first time, going into a spin, and balancing on his toes when you quickly flip through the pages.

The Ultimate Collection

Now, if he was pursuing a woman that he had fallen in love with during that time too, as he has been revealing since "One More Chance" was released in 2003, and he was able to tell that he was getting the type of love that he had been searching for, which is true love, do you think he would stop trying to show his affection for her just because someone was plotting something evil against him? Does he even seem like he would do that knowing how adamant he has been about wanting true love? He wouldn't do that.

He didn't stop working on his music. He didn't stop serenading her either. Songs number 11 and 12 on disc 4 of "The Ultimate Collection" shows he didn't.

God knew that having MJ fall in love was an important part of fortifying MJ's strength. MJ needed his spirits lifted. All that stuff that he had been taken through starting from 1993, combined with the two divorces, and the media hammering away at him, was really starting to take a toll on him and he didn't deserve that. God knew just how to keep MJ moving. It was by giving MJ what he had been searching for. What did MJ say in "One More Chance" about being near her? He said, "And I don't care what it takes." He pushed his way through that trial and God played a role in helping him to do it.

This post on page 739 is showing God's presence in MJ's life:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3280548&postcount=11079

God's power is limitless. He created the universe and everything that is on this green earth. Certainly, God can help MJ to find the type of love that he had been praying to God for.

 

[Ape]

I am just loving this thread again. Thank you allformj especially for these very thoughtful, thought provoking posts. I enjoyed reading how you laid out the years he got to have his childhood. I remember thinking when I first was getting to know about him that though he had missed out on his childhood, surely by now he's experienced more years having childlike fun than most people. Anyways, you clearly lay out that he had just the right amount of time now. It was beautiful to see. Also you point out that when it was time (when he'd had the years needed to be a kid in some respects) he did move on from that and I guess grew up.

I had a few things I wanted to say but am on my phone again so it's difficult to go back to posts to comment. I'll try to remember.

The will.I.am songs and BEP songs, I remember thinking the same thing. Maybe he used their songs to speak his message. Though perhaps that message is someones from BEP and not MJs? They do seem to relate but maybe it's recognizable because all real love has a similar look. It could be why love songs and poetry speak out and fit so many different couples in love.
Will.I.am and MJ were hanging out for a time though so it's also very possible that Michael is speaking through Will or Akon or whomever he worked with to surround her in that love just like (or very similar to) the video "one more chance" of wills. In any case, there sure are some beautiful love songs and videos and movies out that ,if looked at together, would create such a powerful, beautiful, amazing love story. You could imagine them all telling different parts of the same love story or maybe in different ways with some creative liberties taken of course. But that is why I think maybe all true love must have a similar feel.
Now about the subjects of our special thread here, i think that sometimes in the midst of anything, being so close to what matters so much, you can miss some of the big picture.
Perhaps much of what we have discusses here would or has been missed by her. Sometimes it can take people with an outside perspective to point out what's being missed. Imagine how special this thread could be to her knowing that. We could end up pointing out some of the overwhelmingly loving actions of MJs that make his love so special. Also the support they both would have from people who care about them from a distance. Sometimes kindness from a stranger is extra special because they have no reason to care, yet they do. That's often when it feels like Gods hand is in it. So I don't know really what the goal of this thread is, but I'd say if it could help who it's about in any way, we'd have accomplished something great!

I think that's about all I was going to say. I hope we all get to experience a love like this, all us romantics in here.

 

[Lainy]

While I was reading your post AllForMJ I heard Too Much Heaven ~ Bee Gees ~ and you know, I think it was the perfect soundtrack for the moment... Love is such a beautiful thing / oh you make my world a summer day / are you just a dream to fade away... Aw I really love Bee Gees...
If someone wants experiment the same you can found it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nREV8bQJ1MA

Thanks for your clarifying, you have great points and what you've highlighted in red... hmm... it's very interesting.
But I need just say something... honestly I think he may had fallen in love with someone but he may never have found this one personally, do you know? She exists, he knows she exists, he feels it, but he has not found her... Or that woman never knew that Michael was in love with her, or even, he knew it was a burden too heavy for her to be his girl and he wanted to spare her for don't to see her suffer. So, although they aren't together the way he'd like them to be he is happy just having her around. (?) :scratch: I'm sorry but I say that because I can't imagine MJ in love for some woman in special without do everything possible to be with her. There is no impossible for him. He would do whatever was within reach him. And if there isn't possibilities they are together, so he would create them. :bored:

God was present in MJ's life and nothing is impossible for God to assist someone with. If He was able to lead the way for MJ to win that '03-'05 court battle, once MJ had finally gotten a chance to fight for his dignity against the lie that was originally told by Evan Chandler, then why would we even think that God could not answer MJ's prayers for a new woman to love, too? If we do that, then we will be trying to set limits on God's abilities.

God's power is limitless. He created the universe and everything that is on this green earth. Certainly, God can help MJ to find the type of love that he had been praying to God for it.

These in particular brought me to remember the Jeremiah prayer, 17 “Ah, Sovereign Lord, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and outstretched arm. Nothing is impossible for you. 19 Great are your purposes and mighty are your deeds. Your eyes are open to the ways of all mankind; you reward each person according to their conduct and as their deeds deserve.
26 Then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 27 “I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything impossible for me?
(Jeremiah 32:17.19. 26,27)
Thanks for remind me this. I really needed this just now. :worried:

Now about the subjects of our special thread here, i think that sometimes in the midst of anything, being so close to what matters so much, you can miss some of the big picture.
Perhaps much of what we have discusses here would or has been missed by her. Sometimes it can take people with an outside perspective to point out what's being missed. Imagine how special this thread could be to her knowing that. We could end up pointing out some of the overwhelmingly loving actions of MJs that make his love so special. Also the support they both would have from people who care about them from a distance. Sometimes kindness from a stranger is extra special because they have no reason to care, yet they do. That's often when it feels like Gods hand is in it. So I don't know really what the goal of this thread is, but I'd say if it could help who it's about in any way, we'd have accomplished something great!

I think that's about all I was going to say. I hope we all get to experience a love like this, all us romantics in here.

Aww Ape it's so beautiful and so true... :wub: Thank you. AllForMJ I want to thank again. You have so interesting points to share.

PS: I apologize for grammatical errors lol it's 2:00 a.m. here in Brazil and sleep is killing me but I needed to write this. God bless you girls. :flowers:

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

I am noticing how once again only certain members' posts are being recognized in this thread.. this seems to go on in a couple threads like these, where cliques form or people who feel they have more to say can come in post a huge post, then leave and their posts are quoted for several pages yet others inbetween are ignored.

Ms fairy asked a VERY important question..yet all the inbetween sadly to say, was not adrressing this thread's MAIN purpose. I read it all. We are here to discuss HER: His long, lost, strong love. Not beauty in women or women this or that. THIS is why I stopped coming into this thread, if you want me to be honest and once again, it's the same 3 members doing this as last time (almost 2 years ago I posted about this and the 3 members I felt told me to be silent). Once again, fairy asked us to adress a very important insight... yet no one inbetween has respected and answered her post. Whether one is behind or not, it is possible to multi quote. And while this may not annoy or bother those whose input is not quoted on, it kinda makkes me upset.

This is not the first time she or I have been ignored and the same two or three people post their same thing, over and over, dominating this thread. I just don't understand,how hard is it to notice and mention other's posts or if u have a slight issue with what they say to PM them?

Fairy, you asked what we hope to gain in this thread and I loved that question.. We need clarity. We need prayers, for her and MJ and the kids, and to do this we must turn to the music and listen. Turn to his speeches and listen. This man has left a trail of clues. He obviously wants us to hear, pray, and take notice.

 

[AllForMJ]

I am just loving this thread again. Thank you allformj especially for these very thoughtful, thought provoking posts. I enjoyed reading how you laid out the years he got to have his childhood. I remember thinking when I first was getting to know about him that though he had missed out on his childhood, surely by now he's experienced more years having childlike fun than most people. Anyways, you clearly lay out that he had just the right amount of time now. It was beautiful to see. Also you point out that when it was time (when he'd had the years needed to be a kid in some respects) he did move on from that and I guess grew up.

I had a few things I wanted to say but am on my phone again so it's difficult to go back to posts to comment. I'll try to remember.

The will.I.am songs and BEP songs, I remember thinking the same thing. Maybe he used their songs to speak his message. Though perhaps that message is someones from BEP and not MJs? They do seem to relate but maybe it's recognizable because all real love has a similar look. It could be why love songs and poetry speak out and fit so many different couples in love.
Will.I.am and MJ were hanging out for a time though so it's also very possible that Michael is speaking through Will or Akon or whomever he worked with to surround her in that love just like (or very similar to) the video "one more chance" of wills. In any case, there sure are some beautiful love songs and videos and movies out that ,if looked at together, would create such a powerful, beautiful, amazing love story. You could imagine them all telling different parts of the same love story or maybe in different ways with some creative liberties taken of course. But that is why I think maybe all true love must have a similar feel.
Now about the subjects of our special thread here, i think that sometimes in the midst of anything, being so close to what matters so much, you can miss some of the big picture.
Perhaps much of what we have discusses here would or has been missed by her. Sometimes it can take people with an outside perspective to point out what's being missed. Imagine how special this thread could be to her knowing that. We could end up pointing out some of the overwhelmingly loving actions of MJs that make his love so special. Also the support they both would have from people who care about them from a distance. Sometimes kindness from a stranger is extra special because they have no reason to care, yet they do. That's often when it feels like Gods hand is in it. So I don't know really what the goal of this thread is, but I'd say if it could help who it's about in any way, we'd have accomplished something great!

I think that's about all I was going to say. I hope we all get to experience a love like this, all us romantics in here.

Glad you enjoyed reading these latest posts, Ape. Because MJ spent the majority of his life in recording studios, listening closely to his music is the best way to find out when he was happy and when he wasn't. He used to laugh in some of his songs and play with his voice and stuff, but as things in his life started becoming more weighed down with the negativity that was hitting him, and he started showing signs that he was unhappy, he stopped laughing in songs and he scaled back on playing with his voice. He wasn't acting like himself. He was usually cheerful, but it started to slowly fade away.

His song choice around the "HIStory" era really showed he was unhappy. During the "Invincible" era he was showing that he wasn't happy then either. But then he started to slowly act cheerful again. Since no one was really pointing it out, I thought a thread needed to be created specifically to do that.

When he made the surprise appearance at the BET Awards in June 2003, he started showing signs that he was feeling playful. He made a sound with his voice that night that he hadn't done in a while. It was the sound that he used to do when he was still having fun with his music.

Here are two videos so you can hear him. Listen to the sound that he's going to make at 0:39 into this first video.

2003 BET Awards



Now, listen to this next song. The sound he made at 0:39 above is the sound you are going to hear him doing in his dance song, "Get On The Floor." You're also going to hear him laugh in this song while he's having fun with it.



MJ was perking up and having fun again. It's showing in his "This Is It" rehearsals. :yes:

Also, I agree with you on what you're saying about songs that are about true love. It does seems like they have the same feel. I guess it's because love comes from God Himself, and His personality hasn't changed. It seems like true love will nurture all couples in the same manner and convey the same message. Have you noticed that when a couple that is truly in love hangs out with other couples that are in love too, they all have a lot of fun together? They're sharing the same feeling. Hanging out with one another is refreshing, too. It ends up being a day or night of laughter instead of drama, and all go home happy.
:yes:

 

[AllForMJ]

Evan Chandler had some nerve lying about the person that is in these photos. Everyone that jumped at the snapped of Evan's finger should be feeling completely like crap. They screwed up majorly. They went after the wrong guy. They should have questioned Evan's motives.

And Conrad Murray screwed up too while he was talking on the phone.

Thank goodness MJ had a relationship with God, because God is still going to have the final say. He is the Most High.

 

[Iceberg]

AllForMJ, I have no words to describe my gratitude for this post. Some time lacked a smile on my face ... And through this post, you managed to rescue him.

 

[Ape]

Again I'm posting from on my phone but I thought I would TRY to use quote. I may be wrong but did you possibly read my post up until I mention allformjs name and stop there? I mention her name because I remember it since we have been posting for years here and so it was easy for me to remember it and wanted to make sure I gave her some credit where credit was due, especially when I saw that she had put so much work and thought into something that made an impression on me.

The other posts that made an impression strong enough on me to recall them while typing on something the size of one finger without the option to go back and read again were your posts about black eyed peas songs and others possibly used by MJ to get his message across, AND ms fairys (whom I made took the time this time to make note of her name). Forgive me but im not good with names to begin with and you can appreciate that you have three names ( or 4?) and the only reason i can remember it now is because i quoted you to see. Im working on being better with names but this internet makes it freeking hard! Lol. Anyways, please make sure you have read a post in full before jumping to wrong conclusions because anyone else who had done that will see that you were wrong in your accusasion and unfortunately that doesnt look good for you. I can apreciate how easy it is online ro feel left out, especially when it seems your posts are overlooked or maybe not even read. I can only assume others do the same as i do and read every single post, but only mention the posts they feel they have something to contribute to that particular thought that is worth mentioning. Sometimes a post causes one to pause and think, but any thoughts that come about it aren't posted for any number of reasons. That could give the impression to the one who posted that their posts are overlooked. It's happened to me. Often happened when I first started posting or posted rarely. In time I built up a camaraderie with other people here and some became quite close friends and I know at times I was guilty of publicly posting back and forth with them and yes some people would get caught in the crossfires and maybe not ignored, but not acknowledged, which would end up feeling like ignored and I don't want to make anyone feel that way and I'm sure others don't either, buy it often ends up happening on here because to acknowledge every post ( which I've also tried to do in the past) becomes ridiculous. I'll show you later on once I am on a proper computer and can. I came to the conclusion for myself that I just can't please everyone so I should just do the best I can and if i see someone left our or new and notice it, I try (but don't always succeed) to include and acknowledge them. Anyways, maybe you wouldn't mind going back to reread my post to see and acknowledge MY post and thoughts I had regarding the thoughts that you and others have had? I would appreciate your feedback.

I also wanted to mention that I felt ridiculous in the past when posting a reply to each and EVERY post because why am I so important? I'm not the Queen. I'm not Michael Jackson. My input isn't all that important that it would make a difference to someone. ... Two things to say about that.. 1) maybe I should think higher of myself than that because we all can make a difference and have impact on another no matter who they are and 2) imagine the pressure MJ must have been under to give every persons enough attention so no one would be heartbroken over being or feelingoverlooked. Probably the only thing he could do is keep a distance becauseno human being has enough time or energy to be close to every other single person. Everyone wanted that from him, but to put yourself ( and I'm talking to everyone reading this) in his shoes, it would be overwhelming. You'd start to feel down about yourself because you can't please anyone. You give of yourself to one person and then suddenly EVERYone else wants the same attention and to top I off, the attention you gave to that one person wasn't enough, they want MORE of you. More than you are willing to give perhaps. So you comE to the conclusion that you just aren't good enough.

Anyways... Just something to think about.

My personal intentions arent to leave anyone out or feeling bad or sad. I don't think anyone in here is about that. I hope this helps somehow. :angel: lol I just discovered how to put smilies in here from on my phone so I'm not about to pass that up unsmilied!:baby:
(please ignore any typos or whatnot in here. It is so difficult to fix on here with this)

thoughtdue

I am noticing how once again only certain members' posts are being recognized in this thread.. this seems to go on in a couple threads like these, where cliques form or people who feel they have more to say can come in post a huge post, then leave and their posts are quoted for several pages yet others inbetween are ignored.

Ms fairy asked a VERY important question..yet all the inbetween sadly to say, was not adrressing this thread's MAIN purpose. I read it all. We are here to discuss HER: His long, lost, strong love. Not beauty in women or women this or that. THIS is why I stopped coming into this thread, if you want me to be honest and once again, it's the same 3 members doing this as last time (almost 2 years ago I posted about this and the 3 members I felt told me to be silent). Once again, fairy asked us to adress a very important insight... yet no one inbetween has respected and answered her post. Whether one is behind or not, it is possible to multi quote. And while this may not annoy or bother those whose input is not quoted on, it kinda makkes me upset.

This is not the first time she or I have been ignored and the same two or three people post their same thing, over and over, dominating this thread. I just don't understand,how hard is it to notice and mention other's posts or if u have a slight issue with what they say to PM them?

Fairy, you asked what we hope to gain in this thread and I loved that question.. We need clarity. We need prayers, for her and MJ and the kids, and to do this we must turn to the music and listen. Turn to his speeches and listen. This man has left a trail of clues. He obviously wants us to hear, pray, and take notice.

 

[AllForMJ]

I am noticing how once again only certain members' posts are being recognized in this thread.. this seems to go on in a couple threads like these, where cliques form or people who feel they have more to say can come in post a huge post, then leave and their posts are quoted for several pages yet others inbetween are ignored.

Ms fairy asked a VERY important question..yet all the inbetween sadly to say, was not adrressing this thread's MAIN purpose. I read it all. We are here to discuss HER: His long, lost, strong love. Not beauty in women or women this or that. THIS is why I stopped coming into this thread, if you want me to be honest and once again, it's the same 3 members doing this as last time (almost 2 years ago I posted about this and the 3 members I felt told me to be silent). Once again, fairy asked us to adress a very important insight... yet no one inbetween has respected and answered her post. Whether one is behind or not, it is possible to multi quote. And while this may not annoy or bother those whose input is not quoted on, it kinda makkes me upset.

This is not the first time she or I have been ignored and the same two or three people post their same thing, over and over, dominating this thread. I just don't understand,how hard is it to notice and mention other's posts or if u have a slight issue with what they say to PM them?

Fairy, you asked what we hope to gain in this thread and I loved that question.. We need clarity. We need prayers, for her and MJ and the kids, and to do this we must turn to the music and listen. Turn to his speeches and listen. This man has left a trail of clues. He obviously wants us to hear, pray, and take notice.

Don't worry, MJzPrincess1982. I'm not ignoring ms fairy. That's why I posted instructions to help ms fairy to stay logged on.

Also, I have already started putting together a reply to her regarding what she's been posting about as well. I'm multitasking. She's been showing a lot of concern for the person that MJ was openly expressing his affection for. The only reason why I haven't posted the reply to ms fairy as of yet is because it's been taking me a while to find and compile the photos that I have in the other posts.

 

[Ape]

Sorry its almost impossible to edit on this (iphone) so I'm posting a ps. Mjsprincess, I replied to your because you say it's the same three people and since there were only three people to post between ms fairies post that you mention, and the one I quoted of yours above, I had to assume you mean myself, allformj, and Lainy. If I'm wrong in that assumption, please correct me. I also point things out because though you feel how you do, you may have missed out on the things that would show otherwise. If you have a problem with me or what I post about please feel free to be clear and come right to me about it. I'm pretty easy going. I'll listen and try to see from your pov but I also don't want to stop posting just because I might do it wrong. I enjoy reading everyones thoughts in here and when I feel I have something to say or when I just feel like saying something even if I have nothing to say, I like to be able to say it without fear of "am I doing this right? Are people going to like me? Will people agree or think I'm an idiot?" I just like to take comfort in posting among friends (which I do consider you all friends even though it's online. Even though we may disagree, even though we don't always get alone or even feel we like each other at times. You are all endeared to me in some way, even if not close). Just know I don't purposely try to make ANYONE feel left out and I don't think any is more important than any other, so I apologize if I came across, or come across differently than that. Still I'm just going to remain being myself because if I'm any different, then it's not enjoyable any longer so you'll have to accept me as is with that in mind. Also written words don't always come across in the emotion one intends it to. We all need to keep that in mind, myself included. ~peace

 

[AllForMJ]

AllForMJ, I have no words to describe my gratitude for this post. Some time lacked a smile on my face ... And through this post, you managed to rescue him.

Glad the post of MJ with animals made you smile, Iceberg. MJ worked really hard over the years to make his fans smile. As long as we continue to smile, his work will live on and we will be continuously celebrating the beauty of what he was about.

Also, I give the credit for the above post to the Holy Spirit, as it was a thought that came to me a day ago that caused me to look online for these type of photos to post. I guess God wanted us to take another look at how loving MJ was. Even animals could tell that he was a genuine kind person.

:yes:

P.S. I included the photos of Pluto, Mickey and Minnie Mouse to add a little fun, because MJ loved Disney characters too. lol

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Now I am lost :S :S :mellow::doh::scratch::scratch: :timer:

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

As I said... I would LOVE to participate on this subject.. but feel no one is actively talking about it, except for fairy and I... I guess her and I shall have our own discussion lol

 

[mysterygirl7]

I also wanted to mention that I felt ridiculous in the past when posting a reply to each and EVERY post because why am I so important? I'm not the Queen. I'm not Michael Jackson. My input isn't all that important that it would make a difference to someone. ... Two things to say about that.. 1) maybe I should think higher of myself than that because we all can make a difference and have impact on another no matter who they are and 2) imagine the pressure MJ must have been under to give every persons enough attention so no one would be heartbroken over being or feelingoverlooked. Probably the only thing he could do is keep a distance becauseno human being has enough time or energy to be close to every other single person. Everyone wanted that from him, but to put yourself ( and I'm talking to everyone reading this) in his shoes, it would be overwhelming. You'd start to feel down about yourself because you can't please anyone. You give of yourself to one person and then suddenly EVERYone else wants the same attention and to top I off, the attention you gave to that one person wasn't enough, they want MORE of you. More than you are willing to give perhaps. So you comE to the conclusion that you just aren't good enough.

Anyways... Just something to think about.

Reading this really reminded me of a certain scene in This is it: It's where you see MJ hugging some of the dancers and Kenny Ortega (he's wearing a green shiny jacket) .. It's like everyone wanted something of him... imagine, if he went to the rehearsals one day, and wasn't in hugging-mood.. I guess he couldn't say no.. a fan ones told me that you could feel when he was in for the hugs and when he wasn't.. (I never hugged him, so I wouldn't know)
I know for a fact, that people would kind of steal his time, because they were attention-seeking.. and wanted to talk talk talk and be near him..

Ok, this was just some things that your post made me think of..

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

This post looks good on my mobile.
:cheers:

Evan Chandler had some nerve lying about the person that is in these photos. Everyone that jumped at the snapped of Evan's finger should be feeling completely like crap. They screwed up majorly. They went after the wrong guy. They should have questioned Evan's motives.

And Conrad Murray screwed up too while he was talking on the phone.

Thank goodness MJ had a relationship with God, because God is still going to have the final say. He is the Most High.

 

[Ape]

I thought I Was actively talking about it MJs princess. I said what I had about your post about other artists songs possibly having meaning and responded to ms fairys post asking what the threads goal is and if it could be a gift to the lady this thread is about etc etc.

If you prefer to leave me out of it, and discuss it between yourself and ms fairy then by all means go ahead. Ill try not to take it personally that you've overlooked all I've said regarding all these posts. But maybe you could be clearer when you are upset with people about what and who you are talking about.


ANYWAYS... ms fairy I had questions about your posts but it's hard to remember them without having them in front of me. The two butterflies tho? What are you referring to? Were they in the meet me half way video? You also mention some peoples names (can't remember them now) who are they? I think the only name I recognized was fergie. Most of your post left me in the dark but sounded interesting. I just don't know about what you were talking about so it left me with lots of questions.

I did want to ask, it sounds from your posts as though you personally know MJ? Is that correct? And you know his lady love too? If so I guess you have lots to contribute and knowledge on whether what we've discusses is close to accurate or not. Or maybe I'm wrong in that assumption. It's what it sounded like. I'd love to hear your story.

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

No harm ape. Wow u have been here longer than me!! 2003?? Woah!

 

[Ape]

Yup its been a while. I don't actually remember joining this site. I rarely posted here at the start. Was on mjno more.

So.. There were some nice similarities and coincidences with meet me halfway and this is it film but are you sure they are related? If so, do you think some other songs and movies and any other form of entertainment would also relate? Maybe some Akon songs?

What was it that convinced you the songs were MJs messages or story?

 

[Favoritetune]

AllforMJ, Ape, Lainy, SOS, Sdeidjs, ms fairy, MjzPrincess1982, Lily, Ash, Iceburg, xThunderx2 and all others I am throwing virtual popcorn at you all but it's invisible because I don't have a link for that

I'm not big on giving props to everyone but I'm trying and hoping what I say don't come out sounding wrong.

You all rock!

This is a great thread and the pictures everyone posts of MJ is neat to see, the videos are superb and reading all of your opinions on a love intrist for MJ's life is well, it's thought provoking. If I would allow myself to get all mushy I would say it is very deep and musical. It's like you all are making a huge painting depicting your views on love and all of us who are able to read it are able to appreciate the beauty and tenderness that has been captured within but since I don't get mushy I'm just gonna say NICE!

Even people who clicked the like button on certain threads shows depths within so much written in here and it's all pretty cool.

AllforMJ- Wow! Your recent posts are off the chain! If this were a novel then I don't think I could put it down. To be honest it's just as good as a novel because dang I can't help but keep coming back to read more.

Ape- Lady I liked what you wrote but moreso I just wanna give you props for responding to MJzPrincess the way you did cause I thought there was gonna be a fight. So cool. Not the fight but you.

MjzPrincess- Lady that's cool how you stand up for people but dang you were kinda blunt when you were saying what was on your mind.I wondered if you could have said it nicer but if you all wanna fight let me know and I'll bring the pillow popcorn.

ms fairy- Okay I'm with Ape I got a little confused with your posts but not entirely. I thought the Meet Me Halfway video was slamming and the other songs you listed were pretty cool but like Ape you mentioned Fergie and some other lady who I don't know was and I serached on youtube and no one of intrist came up so I'm just lost. As for your question as to what's the purpose of the thread, that's a good question. I'm guessing it's to help people believe in true love and all that mushy stuff, to offer escapism and share our thoughts on love, ask others their thoughts and not feel as insane as we might other wise I don't know too many people searching for meanings in MJ songs. I also think that if you went somewhere and gave this thread to some girl then she would probably be amazed and very happy but she'd probably be hated by anyone else around her that knew what it was so that's all I know. Maybe she exists. Ape asked if you knew MJ. Do you? Do you know if there's a love in the dark? What's your opinions?

Lainy, Your posts were very nice too and I'm sorry I'm not writing more on it but I feel like I just hi jacked this thread and I need to skidaddle so hopefully I can give you better props at some other time.

Everyone POPCORN FIGHT!!!!!

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Yup its been a while. I don't actually remember joining this site. I rarely posted here at the start. Was on mjno more.

So.. There were some nice similarities and coincidences with meet me halfway and this is it film but are you sure they are related? If so, do you think some other songs and movies and any other form of entertainment would also relate? Maybe some Akon songs?

What was it that convinced you the songs were MJs messages or story?

This is something we might want to ask fairy, as she is the one who said it. I feel she would address it better than I, as well as the other questions (I thought she would be on tonight but guess not)!

 

[AllForMJ]

Their lives were at stake in a very serious way and people in the know that have resources, etc. turned their backs on them knowing that one or both would die.

I wonder about God, why was MJ and 'her' trying to stay alive and why didn't God help them get together in physical form and help them escape? Also sure I believe LOVE overcomes but when everyone that surrounded MJ had their own agendas, where is the love? Which brings up another song 'where is the love' by the Black Eyed Peas? Also the trial was part of the conspiracy and it did not set Michael free it actually set the stage so that he could be murdered. There is still a lot of what went on behind the scenes during the trial especially the latter part that has not come out yet.

ms fairy, it seems like you have been expressing that someone wanted to kill both MJ and the woman that he fell in love with, and that you feel that they got to MJ before getting to her because she’s under a protective order (as I have read before in some of your other posts), and because MJ was also protecting her. It also seems like you have been saying that the woman MJ loves has been under the protective order since the time that MJ was going through the trial. So, to post a reply to you, if I am understanding this correctly, I’m going to say this.

It is important to understand that love is spiritual. Proving that it is can be done simply by looking at how many people around the world loves MJ. He is loved by millions and millions of people and there is no way that all of the people around the world could have had physical contact with him. It was humanly impossible for him to meet each and every person that is a part of his fan base. Yet, it didn’t matter. His enormous fan base loves him anyway. Just knowing how good of a person he has been and feeling how his music has touched them was enough for all of his fans to love him. Feeling his love in return has been enough for his fans to want to hold on to him.

Love is this powerful because it comes from God. The Bible has revealed that God Himself is love.

1 John 4:16

16 We know how much God loves us, and we have put our trust in His love. God is love, and all who live in love live in God, and God lives in them.

The Bible also says this.

1 Timothy 1:17

17 All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; He alone is God. Amen.

Now, if the Bible is saying that God is love—and the Bible is also saying that God lives forever—then wouldn’t this also mean that love lives forever as well?

Also, Jesus is saying the following in the Bible:

John 8:51

51 I tell you the truth, anyone who obeys my teaching will never die!

John 11:25

25 Jesus told her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying.

We all can tell how much MJ tried his hardest to follow Jesus’ teachings and that he loves Jesus. MJ mentioned Jesus many times during interviews. We also can tell that MJ loves God. MJ worked very hard to please God with the talents that he was born with by sharing them with the entire world. MJ did countless good deeds as well.

This is what the Bible is saying about those that do good deeds before passing away.

Revelation 14:13

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this down: Blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, they are blessed indeed, for they will rest from their hard work; for their good deeds follow them!”

MJ was a God fearing man that only wanted to do good, and bring joy to others through his musical gift. He’s never done things to harm anyone. Before MJ passed away he was saying in his most recent love songs that he was in love. His recent love songs are also revealing that he was waiting for the woman that he had fallen in love with. He has now passed away unexpectedly because of something that happened to him on June 25, 2009, and all that love him are wondering what happened. ms fairy, to ease your mind about someone possibly harming the woman that MJ has fallen in love with, here is a verse from the Bible to remember.

Matthew 10:28

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Jesus is making it clear that it does not benefit anyone to kill another person. There is nothing in this world worth going to hell for. Not a single thing. Not even money. Where would they spend it after they arrive in hell? Hell is not some sort of a resort. Money will not carry any value there. People on earth that are greedy are only that way because they want to be able to live a more comfortable and carefree life than most others while they are on earth. Does anyone think Satan is about letting someone enjoy their time in hell and being there carefree? He is about misery and misery only. In order to harm someone that MJ loves, they will have to be willing to take that trip to hell and be destroyed. I have already posted various things in this thread so you can see that God and Jesus are real.

Additionally, if love is spiritual and lives forever, then it would seem that MJ is still in love even as we speak. If he has been revealing in his love songs that he was waiting to be with the woman that he fell in love with, then it would seem that he is still waiting for her now.

If someone were to harm the woman that he has fallen in love with, and causes her to leave the earth, they will be sending her straight to MJ. And again, the reward for ending innocent life would be going to hell. Do you think they will feel that going to hell will be worth it?

No matter what anyone does, she and MJ are still going to be together. If they do not harm her, she and MJ will be together when it is her actual time to go. If they harm her, she and MJ will be together sooner. MJ said their love is a sacred thing.

Again, the Bible says…

Matthew 10:28

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

God is real, ms fairy. He is not a myth. I have pointed out God’s presence in MJ’s life to show everyone that God is real. I am going to post again the things that God does not tolerate so you can stop worrying about something happening to her.

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 There are six things the Lord hates—no, seven things He detests: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, 18 a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, 19 a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord in a family.

___________________________

ms fairy, I want to come back into this post and ask you some things. When you post things about MJ in the thread, you start saying things that makes it seem like you were right there where everything was occurring between 2003 and 2009, and you also post in ways that have everything doing a lot of twists and turns. Also, sometimes you post in ways were it seems like you are saying you know exactly who MJ was in love with and that you know they were having direct contact and then later you come back and say why didn't God help them get together in the physical form. Can you explain why you have been doing this?

Also, if you are trying to make it clear to everyone in this thread that you know quite a bit about what has been happening behind the scenes, and then at the same time you want to be ambiguous, then shouldn't you be doing more to get such information to those involved in the court case itself rather than posting such things here in this thread?

And then there are other things that aren't quite jiving. How can getting married make those that were around MJ want him gone, as you have been saying? You're saying those that MJ employed would have been fired if he got married, which I don't quite understand. MJ being married never caused him to stop working on his music or doing anything else that he loved. Also, as long as he was working on music and attending various functions, as he has always done, and most likely would have continued to do, he would still need those that he had hired for security, because he couldn't go out in public without security. Meaning, their jobs were secured, right?

And then, in your posts, you have also dismantled MJ's relationships with all the individuals that actually did help him, such as Mesereau. Would you mind explaining your reason for doing so?

Also, to answer to your question about the Black Eyed Peas song titled "Where Is the Love?" This sing was released by the Black Eyed Peas in 2003. MJ and Will.i.am were not working on music together during that time. They went into the recording studio together later down the road in 2006. That's when the two of them were discussing their working relationship with Billy Bush of Access Hollywood in 2006. Have you seen the interview yet?

As I said... I would LOVE to participate on this subject.. but feel no one is actively talking about it, except for fairy and I... I guess her and I shall have our own discussion lol

MJzPrincess1982, sometimes when I think about these songs it makes me think about the fact that MJ was actually in recording studios with some of the other recording artists working on songs that were going to be for him. And, other recording artists were writing songs for him that he was modifying until they were just the way that he wanted them to be.

Maybe some of what we are hearing are things that they’ve learned from working with him, and maybe some of the songs are those that were for him, but that he had chosen not to use. Sometimes, recording artists will write songs for others and end up recording them themselves. Anything that was written for MJ will sound like MJ. Especially, if he was tweaking these songs.

And then, of course, he is Michael Jackson. He rubs off on people. It’s kind of hard to not pick up some of his ways.


Michael and Will.i.am on Access Hollywood
(The music playing is to "Fly Girl" which is a song that Will.i.am later recorded himself.)

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Akon talking about working with Michael in the recording studio

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Excerpt from Ne-Yo's 2008 Interview with New York Magazine about Writing with Michael

Michael Jackson, who asked Ne-Yo to write songs for his comeback album. "Yeah, Michael's putting together a new album, and I'm helping him out with it," he confirmed. According to Ne-Yo, Jackson himself called to get him onboard. "I actually hung up on him because I thought someone was playin'," he said. "'Who's this?' [high voice] 'This is Michael Jackson.' Click. Then his representative called back. 'This is Peter Lopez. I have Michael Jackson on the phone.' And I was like, 'Oh my God. Are you serious?' And then I apologized for the next ten minutes. Any comedian who has ever made fun of Michael Jackson was right on. Sad but true. He does have a very high, not very manly voice."

But in the end, Jackson managed to talk Ne-Yo into the project. "He said he had a very high appreciation for my appreciation for melody. His music is all about the melody, and that's the only sort of real direction he gave me: 'Just make sure the song is as melodic as possible. I want to get back to that.'" Jackson apparently also gave some instructions on subject matter for lyrics, but, Ne-Yo said, "it was very much keep it to yourself." At this point, Ne-Yo has written a number of tracks, which he submits to Jackson as MP3s via e-mail; then, Ne-Yo said, "he'll call me back and say, 'I really like song No. 3. Song No. 4, the hook could be stronger. Song No. 1, change the first verse. Okay, bye.' Click. And then I redo them and he's like, 'Okay, they're perfect. Send me more.' So I don't know what he's keeping, what he's getting rid of, what he's recording."

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/07/neyo_on_working_with_michael_jackson.html

FYI, I ran into a 2010 article that is saying Ne-Yo is holding on to the songs that he's written for MJ. He doesn't want to give them to other recording artists and he's not sure about recording them himself.

http://wzakcleveland.com/national/markslade/ne-yo-refuses-to-sell-michael-jackson-songs-he-penned/

He probably should just continue holding on to them for the memories of working with MJ. It was a once in a lifetime opportunity. Even if he were to record a couple, it's better than giving them away.

 

[Lainy]

MJzPrincess1982 I read your previous post and I would remain silent at this moment because Ape had said in a way that I couldn't do better. She really said everything in her posts. But I think if I didn't answer you probably will think I'm just ignoring you and I'm not.
I read all the posts but I mention only those marked me in a special way because I have no answers for everything and neither I'll post any my thoughts because it would be huuuuuuuge lol.
Not ever all my posts had been mentioned and many times they were lost in the discussion but I didn't feel ignored. I post in here just like a way to empty me of myself, of my thoughts... It doesn't matter if people will like or agree with I'll write or if I'll look a stupid lol I'm not an important person. I don't wanna all the attention on me.
I see MJJC and this thread as a form of escapism, where we talked about love and about God and MJ and all I wanna is to be myself. And there are many others who have much wisdom and post in here but for any number of reasons they aren't here right now, so this topic isn't only by myself, Ape and AllForMJ,. We're just trying to keep it up because here is a place where everyone likes to come.
Without further ado, forgive me if you felt ignored by me because It wasn't my intention.

AllForMJ you gave me the answer I was looking for! That is the question,

why didn't God help them get together in the physical form?

You know, you helped me see the things from another angle and I really like that. Thankyou so much! I really hope Michael was in love and I hope ms fairy help us "to find the light" about those questions. :angel:

This in special is so true,

It is important to understand that love is spiritual. Proving that it is can be done simply by looking at how many people around the world loves MJ. He is loved by millions and millions of people and there is no way that all of the people around the world could have had physical contact with him. It was humanly impossible for him to meet each and every person that is a part of his fan base. Yet, it didn&#8217;t matter. His enormous fan base loves him anyway. Just knowing how good of a person he has been and feeling how his music has touched them was enough for all of his fans to love him. Feeling his love in return has been enough for his fans to want to hold on to him.

Love is this powerful because it comes from God. The Bible has revealed that God Himself is love.

AllforMJ, Ape, Lainy, SOS, Sdeidjs, ms fairy, MjzPrincess1982, Lily, Ash, Iceburg, xThunderx2 and all others I am throwing virtual popcorn at you all but it's invisible because I don't have a link for that

and

Lainy, Your posts were very nice too and I'm sorry I'm not writing more on it but I feel like I just hi jacked this thread and I need to skidaddle so hopefully I can give you better props at some other time.

Everyone POPCORN FIGHT!!!!!

Hey don't worry girl! Thanks for your kind words but now *throwingvirtualpopcorn* :lol:

 

[Ashtanga]

:thinking:

 

[AllForMJ]

AllforMJ- Wow! Your recent posts are off the chain! If this were a novel then I don't think I could put it down. To be honest it's just as good as a novel because dang I can't help but keep coming back to read more.

It's just spiritual thoughts that are coming to me and I'm posting it here at MJJC for you all to read. The thread goes wherever MJ's music takes us. It's fun following MJ's songs.

But most of all, it's nice to see that he was happy again. That's what his music is saying.

:yes:

 

[AllForMJ]

:thinking:

:lol:

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Nice posts

 

[AllForMJ]

Still I'm just going to remain being myself because if I'm any different, then it's not enjoyable any longer so you'll have to accept me as is with that in mind.

I liked what you said here, Ape. It seems like MJ felt the exact same way when it came to dealing with certain things in his own life and why he never changed over the years.

 

[Ashtanga]

It seems like MJ felt the exact same way when it came to dealing with certain things in his own life and why he never changed over the years.

:girl_sigh: