Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Lisha]

This song was about a girl not sung to a girl so it's not really talking to her.

It seems to me based on the several times he uses the word "you" that he is meaning to say these things to a girl.

I try so hard to love you
Some things take time and shame
I think the whole world of you
Your thoughts of me remain
I'll play the fool for you
Just say it and I'll do
Just make this thing come true
(Make this dream come true)

I tried to mastermind it
By saying let it be
But everytime I did it
The hurt came back at me
I told you that I need you
A thousand times and why
I played the fool for you
And still you said goodbye
(Still you said goodbye)

Also that line that I hear, and I know of at least one other person who has heard this in the fast adlib part, "she gon, she gon, she gonna hear it." makes me think that this song could be both about a particular girl, for some lyrics do talk about her and not to her, and a commuication to a (the same) particular girl. And it seems he was banking on her one day hearing what all he had to say to her at the time, in order for her to understand the level of pain and aggravation he was going through...all DUE TO HER! Yikes!

That's what I get from it. And so, that would mean, he wanted her to hear, "her head is al f’d up."

All the men in my life pretty much swear ...and i have to admit so do i! *blush*

See, that's the thing. For some, both male and females, because of who they hang around with, swearing can be as natural as breathing. No one in their group is thinking a thing about it. It's not a big deal to them. I understand that. For me, I haven't been around others who swear for years, not socially, nor in my own family. I don't hear it on a daily basis. But if I did, knowing how impressionable I am on what I hear, like how I start talking in an accent when I am around somneone speaking with one pretty fast, that I am sure I'd start picking up on swear words... unless I really in my mind, would fight it. That's hard to do when you are hearing something non-stop.

But I have brought up the importance of compatibility. Now somewhere along the line MJ changed. When he was a young man he did not swear. What happened? Did he start getting around a lot of people who did, and felt less accepted because he didn't swear... so he began to allow himself to say a few swear words here and there? Did he not during that 2007 Ebony interview say pretty much that very thing?

But fairly early on he was in friendships with others who did swear (and being in that business, too). He began his friendship, I think, with Debbie Rowe in the early to mid-eighties and she can swear like a truck driver if provoked (and that is probably because she has always been around it. I understand. I like Debbie, she's very real). And when MJ started hanging around LMP, finally meeting her after so long of waiting for the opportunity, he definitley swore around her (and apparently told crass jokes and drank). In fact, she commented that he started swearing to her right there at the first meeting with her, I guess to disspell to her the "myth?" that he was a goody-goody....or as she put it, to assure her he was very "normal." Hmm.

So what happened to the young man who had made a choice early on not to swear. Well, he changed.

So since compatibility is important, I would think then if he was attracted to the LITD girl, she must swear. And since we have discussed that, at some points in their long history, that he "watched" her and observed her, then he might have known before he wrote CLHGA, that she was a girl not unused to hearing swear words. Didn't we at times think she might be a girl from the hood? Doesn't urban talk include a lot of swearing? So the LITD girl herself might say a few choice swear words when she is upset, just like, apparently, MJ was perfectly capable of doin'. (The bodyguards who are promoting their book certainly want to give the impression that MJ had a way to make it known when he was displeased.....hmmm...did that include swearing at the top of his lungs? A lot of people do respond in that way)

So the compatibility between the LITD girl and MJ could very well be there in this area. And for her, then, him saying "her head is al f’d up" well, it would not phase her at all and she'd simply think, "Woah, I got him mad!" and maybe even chuckle at the thought of it. Could be. We all come from different places and have different perspectives.

And i do get call names by my stepdad sometimes but i just ignore it really, theres no point getting upset bout that cuz it just shows how childish he is at times.

I'm sorry to hear that; and even if you have learned to mostly ignore it, it still can't be very fun for you when it is going on. :hug:

But if i had a boyfriend/husband and said those names to me id tell them how i feel bout it, make him apologise but if he didnt id leave.

Sounds like you'd place a boundary there with the guy. Good for you.

All silliness aside to be honest as to your question nobody is perfect and people make mistakes. The duty in love is to learn and grow.

Yes, and this all occured in the song CLHGA twenty years ago. I'm sure MJ in all that time could very well have learned and did grow.

 

[Favoritetune]

Lashi, I meant that part of the song where he is rapping wasn't sung to her. Because he says I got the feeling she's...

I don't think a lady has to swear to be compatable with a guy who does and some ladies like 8701girl have heard so much cursing that they just don't want to hear anymore but unless someone is intentionally trying to hurt you that's no reason to abandon a relationship.

Like you said a lot of men and women swear. Some women like to argue, curse be cursed at and even hit. When that happens there is something deeply wrong. Some men comply and or deal with. Some women tolerate these things and some would never tolerate it.

When a person curses it's often just considered a bad word but when someone curses at someone and they are calling someone names to hurt them it is another form of abuse.

In the song the words aren't directed at the woman he is singing of but rather they seem to be about her if in fact that is what he's saying. For all we know he went into the studio drunk and recorded that part of the song or maybe they got him drunk while they were recording. Maybe it was a response of the pain he was feeling. Maybe it is in relation to the Who Is It song and he was just extremely ticked off of the thought of her seeing another guy? A lot of times when people are hurt they curse.

The line after it sounds like he says I got a feeling her head is all f'd up the next verse sounds like I got a feeling she forgot about us.

He goes back and forth from talking about "her" to talking to "her" through the whole song. When I pay attention to his voice it does sound like a cross between hurt and anger, is thought how he sounds to you?

I think I just heard a part right before the rap where he says "No you aint!" The time code is 2:53.

Hey 8701girl, Sorry to read that about your step dad. Keep your head up and don't let it break your spirit!

 

[Ape]

Oh no, everyone has changed their names? Now I'll never keep up

I love the bible passage you wrote and adapted to this (it is so hard to call you by your new name...but for you, I will do it) Lashi. Sometimes the thing that makes difficult things in life easier, for me, is to think that it could be Satan placing these things in my path. So I get pretty stubborn and just keep on going without giving up. I think that is the key, to not give up and to trust in God. Not sure how that can apply to this but I always try to relate things to myself to understand.

I don't think I agree with the girl necessarily being someone who swears or would need to swear. I don't think swearing should have to have much bearing in a relationship. I have a friend who has the mouth of a trucker and I love her just the same, it's just how she is and I accept her. She won't swear around children just as she won't smoke around them and I do appreciate that. Respect, however, should have lots of bearing in a relationship and so in your case, since you really are uncomfortable around cuss words, someone who loves you would try their best to watch their tongue in your presence just because they care about you; but you would probably do well to be forgiving of them and accepting of them if they occassionally express themselves in that manner. Though maybe because you are so uncomfortable with it, you wouldn't end up with someone who's vocabulary regularly included such words.

I think you have to look at the whole person, not just pieces of them. There are parts of any person who we would reject if they were the entire person. Part of loving someone is accepting those parts we would reject (I think). Hmmm, though having said that, there are certain things that for myself, I couldn't accept. My experience has taught me otherwise. For instance, I couldn't date a drug addict. I could date a recovered drug addict, but not one who is currently continuing doing drugs. I don't need that in my life and nor do my children. I have, in the past, tried to be there for someone who was a drug addict and I couldn't help them. All it did was tear my own family apart. You can still love them, but sometimes when someone continually choses a path that goes away from you, what can you do? You be there for them if they come back to you. But then if one of my children were doing drugs, I would want to take them far away from that life until they were themselves again and out from under the influence of drugs and try to keep them from returning to it. Oh what a topic I've brought up... sorry. There are just some things in life that are horrific to have to deal with. I know this probably is a touchy subject as well because of Michael. People think that those close to him should have intervened. They probably did. I have no idea what happened but in my experience, you can't force someone to change or quit drugs, just as you can't force someone to go on a diet and lose weight. It has to come from inside, but it DOES help to have support. It really Doesn't help to have enablers.

Now I'm not sure I really want to post this. ..but not sure how to edit it either and I don't have much time. Guess I'll post and run!

 

[Ape]

FavoriteTune, you said so well what I was trying to say. I guess my post isn't really needed.

edith shoot, sorry. All this time away from online and I forget how to post. I should have edited instead of double posting. Sorry Lorraine or any other moderators.

 

[Favoritetune]

Hahahaha Ape their gonna get you girl

and thanks!

 

[Lisha]

Ape, your post was great! Really. So many very true things you put in there.

And, yes, we go back a long time now and I suppose I'll always be Queen to you. Think of Lashi as my cute side. Haha. (then what side was the queen g part...hmm...I'm afraid for an answer).

So good to see you posting here. You always add so much. :clapping:

EDIT: FT, you sure are having MJ be some sort of a lush! But then again, I thought maybe the LITD girl was a lush once in here, so seeeeeeeee, more evidence of their compatibility! (in fact, I think that mannequin is still possibly residing at the bar in the Hayvenhurst home. There ya go, taking you all down memory lane in here with past posts. )

 

[Favoritetune]

Lashi, What manequin are you talking about?

I'm not making him a lush, I'm just rambling out possibilities.

 

[Lisha]

Lashi, What manequin are you talking about?

I'm not able to find the photos that would make it easier to explain, but after June 25, 2009 there was a picture going around of the kids, some of the cousins, playing together at Hayvenhurst, in a room with a bar... and this mannequin was seen propped there, at the bar.

A while before that, I had posted photos of that very mannequin. MJ had asked Christian Audigier permission to take it from one of the Ed Hardy stores, and it was placed in the front seat of MJ's SUV to be taken home with him. The media photographers snapped away and shot video of it and even asked it some questions. When I posted those pictures, summer said she heard that the mannequin ended up being placed at the bar (apparently summer was right!). And so I said it was a message to us in here from MJ that his LITD girl is a lush! (we had been talking at the time of MJ getting messages across to us in different ways and that they were NOT just coincidences!! )

So there ya go. The mannequin/lush story. :lol: Memory lane.

but unless someone is intentionally trying to hurt you that's no reason to abandon a relationship.

What I was meaning... is if the guy you are in a relationship with knows how you feel about hearing swear words (especially the f-word) and yet he still says it around you, then I think that is in a way intentionally hurting you, and not respecting your wishes or a boundary you have set up.

So then I think it would be a very good idea to re-evaluate the relationship and possibly abandon it. And wouldn't the girl in this situation, if she was starting to walk in a room, and then overheard her guy tell someone else about her, "her head is all f'd up" wouldn't she be very hurt? In that case, he didn't mean for her to overhear, and probably wouldn't have said it if he knew she was in earshot. But in this song, I think he did mean for the LITD girl (if she exists) to one day hear. But it was very long ago, and I do think his voice sounds hurt and angry, and it is coming from that. And heavy drink. lol.

 

[Asedora]

^ I think your deciphering of the lyrics here is good. I like it. So do you know street talk and urban lingo and all that...'cause what does

she’s on the high tip mean?

Is it as unflattering to her as

her head is al f’d up

(Nice lyrics, MJ. What a nice guy)

And this, Never drink on the the public on the tele v

I am almost left but I came back :lol: What kind of song you were discussing here guys? If it is Can't let her get away lyrics I cannot reacall this part: she’s on the high tip , her head is al f’d up :mello: where did you get it from?

 

[Lisha]

I am almost left but I cam back :lol: What kind of song you were discussing here guys? If it is Can't let her get away lyrics I cannot reacall this part: she’s on the high tip , her head is al f’d up :mello: where did you get it from?

Here's the post where FT posted his take on what MJ is saying during the fast adlib/rap part of the song, Can't Let Her Get Away:

I honestly can't make out all the words there so I don't know what he is saying. It must be pretty intense because it sounds like he has deliberately hidden words in the end of the song, because of that I just listened to that rap like 50 x's and is this is what I got from it. I only wrote what I thought I was hearing so there's gonna be a bunch of things I missed so and nothing is there to inicate the missing spots but it may work for you.

MJ Rap

I got the feelin trouble gonna stop,
I got the feelin she neva gonna drop
I got the feelin she never gonna step
I got the feelin but she never gonna know

I got the feelin that she’s on the high tip
I got the feelin that she never gonna take a break
I got the feelin her head is al f’d up
I got the feelin that she forgot about us

Can’t let go o o o o o o o

I gotta see her

I got the feelin that she never gonna get away

I have a feelin that she never gonna get awy

I can’t let, I can’t let her get away

No no

She wont, she wont, she, she wont do it

I wont let it

Hel no, no, no, no, no

Get away

She wont, she wont, she wont

Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo


Be together
She wont
With her

Oh no, she wont

O why, o no, she wont ,she wont, she wont, she wont ,she wont, she wont
Never gonna
Live with me

Never drink on the the public on the tele v
Never gonna nothing gonna stop
I never gonna



She gonna stop
I never gonna
Remember me
I never gonna
That she gonna live
I never gonna
Remember we
Gotta be

 

[Asedora]

Here's the post where FT posted his take on what MJ is saying during the fast adlib/rap part of the song, Can't Let Her Get Away:

Oh thank you. i have never paid attention to this part. I can hear this part:

I got the feelin trouble gonna stop,
I got the feelin she neva gonna drop
I got the feelin she never gonna step
I got the feelin but she never gonna know

I got the feelin that she’s on the high tip
I got the feelin that she never gonna take a break
I got the feelin her head is al f’d up


But I do not hear this: I got the feelin that she forgot about us

I am not sure about the rest either.

 

[Lisha]

You're welcome.

Oh thank you. i have never paid attention to this part. I can hear this part:

I got the feelin trouble gonna stop,
I got the feelin she neva gonna drop
I got the feelin she never gonna step
I got the feelin but she never gonna know

I got the feelin that she’s on the high tip
I got the feelin that she never gonna take a break
I got the feelin her head is al f’d up


But I do not hear this: I got the feelin that she forgot about us

I am not sure about the rest either.

So you definitely hear "I got the feelin' her head is all f'd up" also? Wow.

That last line (which you left out) I have always heard as:

"I got the feelin' that she neva gonna listen to it"

But later he says, "she gon, she gon, she gonna hear it." So I think he REALLY wanted her to listen to this song when it came out and to "hear" it, or all that he had to say to her through it. That's my feeling at this point.

So I don't hear "...she forgot about us" as that line either, just like you don't hear it.

 

[Lorraine]

You're welcome.



So you definitely hear "I got the feelin' her head is all f'd up" also? Wow.

That last line I have always heard as

"I got the feelin' that she neva gonna listen to it"

But later he says, "she gon, she gon, she gonna hear it." So I think he REALLY wanted her to listen to this song when it came out and to "hear" it, or all that he had to say to her through it. That's my feeling at this point.

So I don't hear "...she forgot about us" as that line either, just like you don't hear it.

I hear "I got the feelin' her head is all f'd up" Very clearly..
I do not hear that last line at all.. can't make it out myself but I don't hear " She forgot about us "

 

[Asedora]

You're welcome.



So you definitely hear "I got the feelin' her head is all f'd up" also? Wow.

It is very clear imo :yes: Mike was using a bad language :lol:


I got the feelin' that she neva gonna listen to it actually make sense but I am not sure about that line.
Do you thik that this song was addressed to LITD girl? I think it could.

 

[8701girl]

See, that's the thing. For some, both male and females, because of who they hang around with, swearing can be as natural as breathing. No one in their group is thinking a thing about it. It's not a big deal to them. I understand that. For me, I haven't been around others who swear for years, not socially, nor in my own family. I don't hear it on a daily basis. But if I did, knowing how impressionable I am on what I hear, like how I start talking in an accent when I am around somneone speaking with one pretty fast, that I am sure I'd start picking up on swear words... unless I really in my mind, would fight it. That's hard to do when you are hearing something non-stop.

When i was younger i didnt swear as much but as u grow older and become more aware of the world, your personality changes & you mature.
I went to a catholic school when i was in primary and was taught that swearing was bad, but its hard not to when it seems to be everywhere.
But i found it quite sexy hearing mj do it....hey what can i say it was HOT!!!
:inlove:

I'm sorry to hear that; and even if you have learned to mostly ignore it, it still can't be very fun for you when it is going on. :hug:
Sounds like you'd place a boundary there with the guy. Good for yoiu

:hug:

Its not fun but im alot stronger then i was a few yrs bck, so i dont bother about it much

 

[Sdeidjs]

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same then everything that happens in between can be dealt with..!"

Michael Jackson

God Bless

:angel:

 

[Favoritetune]

Do you know where to find the manequin photos or do you have a link?

 

[Lisha]

I hear "I got the feelin' her head is all f'd up" Very clearly..
I do not hear that last line at all.. can't make it out myself but I don't hear " She forgot about us "

You, too, Lorraine?! Well, that takes care of it; too many are hearing it, so that must be what he's sayin'. I give. lol.

Do you know where to find the manequin photos or do you have a link?

I don't know how I managed to get you so curious about this mannequin. It's not a big deal. It was a "guy" mannequin, not a female. It had no association with the LITD girl. I was just jokin' around at the time I posted the pics of it.

I know quite a few fans save a whole bunch of MJ stuff on their computers for easy/later reference, but I don't do that. I keep nothing MJ related on my comp for long. So I do not have the pics I originally posted, nor do I know where to find the one of Blanket and the Malnik boy playing in a room at Hayvenhurst, where the mannequin is in the background sitting on the bar.

The mannequin is only the top half of a guy.

So it's a bit of work for me to find things, but for you, FT, I went on YouTube quickly, had some luck, and copied these two pics from a vid. Hope it will suffice.

 

[Favoritetune]

Cool Thanks Lashi,

After reading that scripture you read from Thess. I went and read both chapters and have pondered on Paul not being able to reurn there to those people.

I also thought of when an angel in the old testament had informed one of God's people that he had tried to come when he first prayed for understanding of a vision.

10 Then behold, a hand touched me and set me trembling on my hands and knees. 11 He said to me, “O Daniel, man of high esteem, understand the words that I am about to tell you and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he had spoken this word to me, I stood up trembling. 12 Then he said to me, “Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and on humbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to your words. 13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. 14 “Now I have come to give you an understanding of what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision pertains to the days yet future.”

I thought, yes Satan sometimes can delay people from what they are seeking and wondered if Paul ever went to Thess. again. I thought it was highly possible that he did not return but then I also thought that Pauls work in them was complete.

If God does in fact has a litdg for Michael Jackson than their work could not have been complete and it is not the same as one desiring to see many in which they love. In biblical times there were no planes, trains or other fast modes of transportation so when they travelled far that was goodbye forever to many they came to know and love.

Paul suffered more than many but his calling was great.

When you read Daniel you see that angels are working on our behalf and one things I notice is when he was able to come the angel said: then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. “Now I have come.

This scripture yells to me that prayer is important. I think Michael Jackson and his litdg should have be making every prayer and effort for God's will to be done in their lives and for His holy angels to war on their behalf.

When it is something we want I think Satan perhaps can delay it and maybe even prevent but when it is the will of God only the people involved could deny His blessings and that would be dumb.

 

[Love.him]

I agree with you, Lashi. I wouldn't put up with it either.

^ ya know, I find when listening to his hard to hear lyrics that the power of suggestion can be very strong, but I do think I can hear that now.

Well, gee, this then would go over just fine with his LITD girl, huh?... that he is the type who would talk like this with her? Very disrespectful. If a guy said that to me, I'd be gone.

But he seems to have relationships with girls who swear, so maybe it's his "type," and therefore she (LITD girl, if she exists) would be cool with it. I don't think LMP would bat an eye if he said that word around her. Many females wouldn't. I'd have a problem with it.

~ How do the rest of you women who read this thread feel about this? Would you be comfortable in a relationship with a man who swears and uses the f-word around you? Would you feel he still was being respectful to you? What if you observed that he didn't talk that way in front of his mom (can any of you, for example, picture MJ talking like that in front of Katherine?) but he does around you. How would that make you feel? Respected?

Now I know there are guys who swear all the time and are in circles where that is just how they talk, and if I was in the company of that sort of male, then I would understand that it might be too much of a battle to fight to get him to understand it was making me feel disrespected...so I would weigh it, and perhaps let it go. But the man who has given me every indication that he cares about me and wants to be in a relationship with me, yet talks that way with me? No.

Another thing to think about it, if MJ was saying that word because he was upset, frustrated, and angry at the LITD girl for "leaving" or making him feel she didn't want him...whatever, some misunderstanding that had not been talked through yet...well, what would make her think that if she was in a relationship with him and he got angry, hurt, frustrated, he wouldn't lose control and start swearing at her? Couldn't this be a heads up that he might do that? How demeaning to be treated like that by a man you care about. Wouldn't you expect him, if he loves you and cares, to remain respectful even if he is upset, and to communicate what he is feeling to you in rational words in a reasonable way? Wouldnt he want that in return? I would no way if I was angry at someone I valued yell at them or call them names or start cussing just because they upset me (I'm not saying I wouldn't show any signs of being upset...). So, then, I would no way receive or accept that from the man.

Would you girls? Or you guys...would you want your sisters to be talked at like that?

I'm glad your talking about Can't Let Her Get Away. It's so difficult to hear some of the rap. I put in bold what I hear so far. For the high tip bit, I think it might also be "hide it". I also think I hear "hide it" a little later. I might have another listen tomorrow.

Hi Lashi Holmes,

I honestly can't make out all the words there so I don't know what he is saying. It must be pretty intense because it sounds like he has deliberately hidden words in the end of the song, because of that I just listened to that rap like 50 x's and is this is what I got from it. I only wrote what I thought I was hearing so there's gonna be a bunch of things I missed so and nothing is there to inicate the missing spots but it may work for you.

MJ Rap

I got the feelin trouble gonna stop,
I got the feelin she neva gonna drop
I got the feelin she never gonna step
I got the feelin but she never gonna know

I got the feelin that she’s on the high tip
I got the feelin that she never gonna take a break
I got the feelin her head is al f’d up
I got the feelin that she forgot about us

Can’t let go o o o o o o o

I gotta see her

I got the feelin that she never gonna get away

I have a feelin that she never gonna get awy

I can’t let, I can’t let her get away

No no

She wont, she wont, she, she wont do it

I wont let it

Hel no, no, no, no, no

Get away

She wont, she wont, she wont

Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo


Be together
She wont
With her

Oh no, she wont

O why, o no, she wont ,she wont, she wont, she wont ,she wont, she wont
Never gonna
Live with me

Never drink on the the public on the tele v
Never gonna nothing gonna stop
I never gonna



She gonna stop
I never gonna
Remember me
I never gonna
That she gonna live
I never gonna
Remember we
Gotta be

Thanks for letting us know how the movie is going, Ape. Will it be sold on DVD? It's good to read you again

Oh boy, I am way back on page 500 or so in a 700 (almost) page thread and no time to read it. oh woah is me . Anyways, I like the last bit of what I read on the last page. I wonder if I will ever get to the nuggets of gold in the pages I've missed or not. (or are there any? well Im sure with all you guys there would be some at least). I hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to say hello mostly.

(oh and I went to my movie premiere. It went well. It's not out, just had one showing here and it's going to be in some festivals. Other than that not sure). I look awful in it, but that's the role. I liked watching it this time around. The first time I was disappointed but with a full audience it was nice. I enjoyed it more. If anyone was wondering about it.. thought I'd fill you in. I now have a poster with my name on it, which is kind of cool, and a DVD of it.)

 

[Lisha]

Hey Love.him! Always nice to see you posting in here. I think maybe you mostly observe, but I'm glad you stopped by today.

So you hear that infamous line, also!!!! :lol: I have a whole long story to post regarding that phrase...it'd be another lengthy post so I'm askin' myself," should I? should I not?" over and over again today.

Keep us posted if you hear some more lines.

FT (isn't it nice how I got your username down first to three letters, and now... only two. I feel accomplished!)

One thing that all this in Daniel is perhaps indicating, is that something is needed to "release" a chief angelic prince to be able to come to the aid of the other angels, for they are apparently a higher and more powerful rank.

So what in Daniel's case, did he "do" that released the chief prince, arch-angel, Michael? It seems like a cause and effect thing going on.

What Daniel "did" was he fasted and prayed for those three weeks.

Now that, it seems, is what enabled the chief prince to come.

What else did Daniel "do?" even before that... in fact, the first day he prayed (out of the three weeks). What he did was this, "[he] set [his] heart on understanding ..., and in humbling [himself] before [his] God, [his] words were heard.

So this is where I find it sad that MJ and his LITD girl really had no way to communicate with each other, other than through songs and connecting, maybe... only vaguely, through a spiritual connection (probably no excessive clarity that way). For if they could have only talked to each other, they then together, not physically, but in one accord, could have prayed to God, humbling themselves before God, setting their hearts in understanding what was God's will for them...and together, for a designated length of time, agreed upon between them, simultaneously, fasted.

There would be much power released in that, if... they had both participated in that mutual fast. Perhaps a chief prince would have been dispatched to join the already warring angels, that were fighting the opposition in Satan's camp that were against the LITD girl and MJ ever coming together.

...only the people involved could deny His blessings and that would be dumb

Could you give me an example of where or how people would be denying His blessing? I'm not sure what you mean here.

 

[8701girl]

The mannequin is only the top half of a guy.

So it's a bit of work for me to find things, but for you, FT, I went on YouTube quickly, had some luck, and copied these two pics from a vid. Hope it will suffice.

:bugeyed:bugeyed Gosh that mannequin looks like a real person!

 

[Lisha]

:bugeyed:bugeyed Gosh that mannequin looks like a real person!

I know!


~btw, I'm very glad on how the Let's Talk About Michael forum is now set up. And also, very pleased that this thread is back in Michaelmania! Yay! :clapping:

Thanks, MJJC Staff! :flowers:


EDIT: Looks like the way things are set up has been changed yet again, I can't keep up! But it's good to see the LITD thread is still in Michaelmania. Phew.

 

[8701girl]

I know!


~btw, I'm very glad on how the Let's Talk About Michael forum is now set up. And also, very pleased that this thread is back in Michaelmania! Yay! :clapping:

Thanks, MJJC Staff! :flowers:

Im also very happy that its back in michaelmania

 

[Favoritetune]

Hi Lashi, I just meant if they walked away, gave up or even something similiar to Jonah who got directions from God and ran the other way.

I'm glad the the page is back too.

Sorry for mentioning where it sounds like he's cursing. It seems I started something with that.

Okay, so where is AllforMJ? Does she still post here? I noticed we are now in the lucky/blessed 700's of the thread. All for MJ come cellebrate and give us some of your blessed insight!?!

I have an idea, for those who have not read this thread from the start, how about you ladies provide a teaser of your overall thoughts and observations concerning MJ and his possible litd lady? What you had hoped for him/them and what you think they would face if he were here today? What could make them stronger, stay together and overcome all opposition? If people would be accepting or would/should it matter to him/them? and what your personal hopes for MJ were???

I know that's quite a request but I would love to read your insights and am sure others would as well.

Also, those in hiding maybe you can come out and cellebrate Michael's favorite number as well with a post of your own???

 

[No-Body]

Lovely to see this little train speedin' away on the railway of love, most of the time that is...There was talk a bit back about Michael's fears about hurting us fans had he come together with the supposed gal in the dark, if she exists, that is. Wouldn't the logical question be – did he think of the fans when he got married twice?

I shouldn't be giving advice to anyone on any particular topic, let alone to those two on how they should have lived their lives, but if this were prior to June 25th 2009 i would tell both Michael and that chick of his to be happy, love each other, don't let nothing and no one stand in their way and don't give a crap about us, cause as much as i hate that word, that's what all of us here are – fans, that and nothing more.

We might feel that we knew the man, but can any of us, truly, honestly say that we did? Some might have even talked to him and met him. The rest of us enjoy his art, we love his message of his love and caring, we admired his strength, we have been with him through his trials and tribulations, we've seen and felt his pain and sorrow but that doesn't mean we knew him completely. Not by a long shot. We only know what he wanted to share.

What about his doubts, confussion, turbulence and violence? I don't think we can truly say we've seen or experienced those. It's easy for us, as fans, to sit and talk and speculate for entertainment purposes about his life, especially now that he is no longer alive and with no possibility whatsover to prove us right or wrong. That means we can basically say or imagine just about anything, there's no way of knowing. I guess that, in a very ironic and tragic, if i may add, way is the appeal of this thread. Anything goes.

All his life Michael had been public property. As long as he belonged to no one, he belonged to everyone. How did someone put it in another thread? His voice made love to millions upon millions of girls. How generous of him, right? Along the years, his body also did share some of that love with some extraordinary ladies. All of them must have had something exciting and intriguing about them if he deemed them worthy enough to share his bed, his energy and some of them even his name.

What about his mind and his soul, with whom did those make love, the rest of the time that is? Wouldn't it be sad if the answer were no one? What if Ash is truly right? What if there is no girl/love in the dark? What if she was just in his imagination – some sort of prototype, an ideal that could never be attained by a typical human?

For the other school of thought of the thread though, here comes another version - what if, somehow, some way, one day the face that might have haunted his dreams for years, for decades even, materialized and was clothed in flesh and bones and got out of his head and into his life? That would pretty amazing, right?

What if that scared him though? As long as she was 'safe' in his imagination, an image and a hidden desire he could cling to when times were rough in reality she was perfect, but once she became fully human that scared him away? It seems to be a well established fact around here that if she does exist (how should i put this in such a way as to not offend the less than supermodel people out there in the world) i got it, her inner self was more appealing than her exterior. What if not only she wasn't anywhere near as pretty as he had built her up to be in his imagination, but also all the other qualities he might have seen in her were nowhere to be found? What if his spiritual eyes were as lousy as his physical ones? What if she wasn't as smart/kind/patient/strong as he thought/wanted/needed her to be? What if he was afraid their encounter would be a total disappointment? What if he was more in love with the idea of her than with her?

What if, on the other hand, he was afraid he might not live up to her expectations of him? What if he feared she had placed him on some sort of pedestal and confused him with the Budapest statue and couldn't handle the reality of who he was as a complete human being?

And a last, but not least hypothesis – what if he was afraid of love? Misery and loneliness can be the most faithful of companions, whilst joy and happiness can be foreign concepts and the most abstract of notions for some people. Some have been hurt so much and so deeply, or have missed so much love for such a long time, perhaps even a lifetime, that when the slightest chance of light and love comes their way they build up defenses fearing that true love is something beyond their worth.

Wouldn't it be sad though to think Michael and maybe his lady felt that way? What if more than failure, success is what scared them? What if they were afraid not of misery, but of love itself? What if the thought of their dreams actually coming true was scarier than anything else?

I've written all of the above (which is quite short by my standards lol) before seing the previous post from...FT, is that the name? But i think what i said fits rather well with those suggestions above. In any case, it's what my potato brain could come up with...y'all keep it up.

Peace and love people, peace and love. God bless you everyone.

 

[Love.him]

No, you didn't start anything. People are sharing their opinions just as you are allowed to share yours.

Haven't had a chance to listen again ... Oh, I meant to ask those who have tried to make out the words: What do you hear at I think it's 2:53-2:55? Yesterday when I listened to it I thought it might be " You ain't coming back." The ending is hard to hear b/c of the sound effect used at the end of it; it sounds like it's mixed out, of fast forwarded at the end.

Hi Lashi, I just meant if they walked away, gave up or even something similiar to Jonah who got directions from God and ran the other way.

I'm glad the the page is back too.

Sorry for mentioning where it sounds like he's cursing. It seems I started something with that.

Okay, so where is AllforMJ? Does she still post here? I noticed we are now in the lucky/blessed 700's of the thread. All for MJ come cellebrate and give us some of your blessed insight!?!

I have an idea, for those who have not read this thread from the start, how about you ladies provide a teaser of your overall thoughts and observations concerning MJ and his possible litd lady? What you had hoped for him/them and what you think they would face if he were here today? What could make them stronger, stay together and overcome all opposition? If people would be accepting or would/should it matter to him/them? and what your personal hopes for MJ were???

I know that's quite a request but I would love to read your insights and am sure others would as well.

Also, those in hiding maybe you can come out and cellebrate Michael's favorite number as well with a post of your own???

 

[Favoritetune]

Okay Shabuya that was a great post but since you didn't notice what I wrote earlier it is only fair that you give us more

Love.him, When I said it seems like I started something I just meant a lot of people were focusing on that one word moreso perhaps than trying to determine what all is he saying and what is the total meaning in the song. Sorry if my post confused anyone when I said that.

as for 2:53-2:55 to me it sound like he's saying I know you aint.

 

[8701girl]

but if this were prior to June 25th 2009 i would tell both Michael and that chick of his to be happy, love each other, don't let nothing and no one stand in their way and don't give a crap about us, cause as much as i hate that word, that's what all of us here are – fans, that and nothing more.

We might feel that we knew the man, but can any of us, truly, honestly say that we did? Some might have even talked to him and met him. The rest of us enjoy his art, we love his message of his love and caring, we admired his strength, we have been with him through his trials and tribulations, we've seen and felt his pain and sorrow but that doesn't mean we knew him completely. Not by a long shot. We only know what he wanted to share.

Very true

 

[Favoritetune]

Hey guys please pardon this post. I wanted to send it to someone but was unable so maybe if they come to this board they will read it.

Thanks!

Yes, I know that song. Somebod'ys knocking should I let him in.

Did the guy you were warned about hurt you or did you run away from the possibility of being hurt?

I understand if you feel the Lord is pulling you away but maybe it's the devil playing with your past hurts so you wont be able to help those here know God more and His will for them.

Your words are very powerful and when I said before that you speak like an angel I wasn't being guile I was pointing out the obvious kind, insightful godly part of you. I am sure you would agree that there are people here who read this thread that are almost oblivious to God- or should I say was? I think you managed to minister to some of these people. Your words and Mysterious Phoenix has helped me. Remember the scripture that says where two or three gather together in my name I am there in the midst? You did that. God was here.

Did you notice how crazy things got after we spoke so highly of God? They even changed the name of where the thread was located! I don't think whoever did it meant wrong but do you get what I am saying? God was moving! You quoted scripture that was amazingly relevent. Not everyone could or would do that. There is strength in numbers and you're walking away. I wont judge you because only you know what God has placed on your heart or what fears you are running from. What I can say again is I hope our paths will cross again. I may add that I also hope to see you continue to post in the thread if it is God's will and that is what I will pray for. I avoided the selfish prayers I claimed I would likely make

Whatever it is you choose to do remember that you made an awesome impact on peoples lives right here.

God bless you!