Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Lisha]

So where I am hearing "let her go, never let her be, GET HER BACK!" you are hearing somewhere in there "remember we gotta be" which sounds similar to where I hear "never let her be" Is that where? If so, what do you think the phrase "remember we gotta be" means?

 

[Favoritetune]

Yes, that's what I am hearing. It could mean that maybe someone told them a prophecy concerning their future or maybe they spoke those words to eachother or both maybe?

Did you see the time code above where I am hearing it? Where are you hearing yours?

 

[8701girl]

Wow! If others had difficulty taking The Love in The Dark thread seriously before, how much more of a problem will they have with it... now that the thread is in a forum called, Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day!

I ask you that!!! :lol:

Yeh i saw that title "shoo be doo....."

and i was like wtf...:blink:

 

[Lisha]

Yes, that's what I am hearing. It could mean that maybe someone told them a prophecy concerning their future or maybe they spoke those words to each other or both maybe?

So the words mean: Remember we gotta be [together]. (or maybe: Remember we gotta be [one])

It does sound like a reminder of a prophetic word that was given to either one of them or both. Very interesting. He doesn't want her to let anything get in the way of that, so he is taking a moment to say "don't forget!!...I know you know this, too!!!"

I get ya, FT.

Did you see the time code above where I am hearing it? Where are you hearing yours?

Yes, it is at the same place as the time code you gave, 4:50.

Yeh i saw that title "shoo be doo....."

and i was like wtf...:blink:

Are you Frank Sinatra? :clapping:
:lol:

 

[8701girl]

Are you Frank Sinatra? :clapping:
:lol:

Umm noooooo :lol:


I shorten it cuz i couldnt be bothered writing it all! :lol:

 

[Favoritetune]

Whatever the prophesy was and or their commitment to eachother maybe?

So you are hearing those words too?

 

[Lisha]

Well, not so well, no. But I like the whole idea of it. I could force myself to hear it!

But "never let her be" seems to match more of the state he was in and his other ramblings throughout the adlibbing.

When he asks "Or was it just a lie?" Could that mean, was the prophetic word a lie? If so, then yeah, "remember we gotta be" could fit. So by the end of his ramblings, he is back not thinking it was just a lie, or he wouldn't have reminded her of it. Again, interesting.

 

[Favoritetune]

He does say never but I don't hear let her be at the very end. I hear him say never gonna a lot near the end. In that last rambling he says something about the public and television it seems but tele is heard and the rest seems slurred. The words are really complex.

I don't hear never let her be right there. I hear remember we (a pause) gotta be (song ends).

I'm about to fasten my eyes on a DVD gnight ladies!

 

[Sdeidjs]

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As Always

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[Lisha]

He does say never but I don't hear let her be at the very end. I hear him say never gonna a lot near the end. In that last rambling he says something about the public and television it seems but tele is heard and the rest seems slurred. The words are really complex.

I don't hear never let her be right there. I hear remember we (a pause) gotta be (song ends).

I'm about to fasten my eyes on a DVD gnight ladies!

gnight ladies

So that's why I kept feeling reminded of Itsjustmenothim for awhile now. Why the pretense?


Also, I was earlier today reminded of the question MP brought up (and you, FT) on what is keeping/kept MJ and his LITD girl apart. Then I came across a scripture in 1Thessalonians, where Paul is explaining the why behind his not being able to visit the church he has parented and loves.

But, brothers, when we were torn away from you for a short time (in person, not in thought), out of our intense longing we made every effort to see you. For we wanted to come to you -- certainly I, Paul, did, again and again -- but Satan stopped us.

That got me thinking and decided to change the words a bit to suit MJ and his LITD girl:

But, dear, when I was torn away from you for a long time (in person, not in thought), out of my intense longing I made every effort to see you. For I wanted to come to you -- certainly I did, again and again -- but Satan stopped me.

The above scripture shows how God's enemy can stop such a thing over and over again from happening, because of the enemy knowing how God's hand is on the people involved and if together they would experience a strenthening. No way does God's enemy want THAT!

EDIT: About what you say here, FT...

In that last rambling he says something about the public and television it seems but tele is heard

So are you thinking maybe he said something in these fast lyrics to get across to her that "never" is our relationship going to be in the "public" eye or in the media (television/tele representing media)? Is that what you are thinking? (are you British with that use of "tele." )

 

[Favoritetune]

Hi Lashi Holmes,

I honestly can't make out all the words there so I don't know what he is saying. It must be pretty intense because it sounds like he has deliberately hidden words in the end of the song, because of that I just listened to that rap like 50 x's and is this is what I got from it. I only wrote what I thought I was hearing so there's gonna be a bunch of things I missed so and nothing is there to inicate the missing spots but it may work for you.

MJ Rap

I got the feelin trouble gonna stop,
I got the feelin she neva gonna drop
I got the feelin she never gonna step
I got the feelin but she never gonna know

I got the feelin that she’s on the high tip
I got the feelin that she never gonna take a break
I got the feelin her head is al f’d up
I got the feelin that she forgot about us

Can’t let go o o o o o o o

I gotta see her

I got the feelin that she never gonna get away

I have a feelin that she never gonna get awy

I can’t let, I can’t let her get away

No no

She wont, she wont, she, she wont do it

I wont let it

Hel no, no, no, no, no

Get away

She wont, she wont, she wont

Hoo, hoo, hoo, hoo


Be together
She wont
With her

Oh no, she wont

O why, o no, she wont ,she wont, she wont, she wont ,she wont, she wont
Never gonna
Live with me

Never drink on the the public on the tele v
Never gonna nothing gonna stop
I never gonna



She gonna stop
I never gonna
Remember me
I never gonna
That she gonna live
I never gonna
Remember we
Gotta be

 

[Lisha]

^ You handled that nicely, I must confess. Nothing like landing on your feet. lol.

Okay, well, FT, you've got me dizzy 'cause I'm in danger of getting mixed up on which thread I'm in. We've been discussing now this song in both your thread and here in the LITD thread. But, yeah, discussing lyrics in this way works for both...true, true!

I see you are hearing a couple swear words. I had a convo before with another who swore(haha) that they heard curse words, also, but no way could I pick them up. But if both of you can...hmmm.

I think your deciphering of the lyrics here is good. I like it. So do you know street talk and urban lingo and all that...'cause what does

she’s on the high tip mean?

Is it as unflattering to her as

her head is al f’d up

(Nice lyrics, MJ. What a nice guy)

And this, Never drink on the the public on the tele v

So in the middle of going on and on about this chick, he stops for a moment to make it known that no one will ever see him drink on public television?

Well, yeah, we all need to hear that in the middle of all this! We were all so very concerned for months, maybe years over this issue ...thanks MJ for finding a spot in a song of yours to fill us in and bring us peace of mind. lol.

Bottom line though, I enjoyed reading your lyric ideas. And you were the one that brought in some really good insight regarding the YANA video, way back when in this thread, and how it is fervent green when he brings up the LITD girl in the song, and dry desert when we are seeing LMP. That was brilliant.

 

[Favoritetune]

Hi,

Sorry about same song in both threads. I'm not sure what high tip means. I just listened to it repetively and at first I thought he was saying on the highest step but eventually the timing was right for that and when all was said and done it sounds like high tip. I just googled it and there are some things that are called high tip trailers and other items. Seems like they are lifted up and tip over at a higher height or something but I had never heard of the term until the song and looking it up tonight on the internet.

I haven't paid attention to any of the words I wrote other than that being what they sounded like.

BTW you're too smart for your own good.

Okay I was just looking at the words I got and it could be because of the DVD I saw last night which was called Knowing but as I was looking at what I wrote it seemed like there was a message in the wording so try bolding everything after he says "never gonna" and see what you get:=.

 

[Lisha]

I'm not all that bright, really, but sometimes the Lord helps me, and I appreciate it when He does. :wub:

Soooo...

drop, step, know, take a break, get away, get away, live with me, nothing gonna stop, she gonna stop, remember me, that she gonna live, remember we gotta be.

Like that?

Now if I unbold certain letters from the list above, just sooo, finding the correct pattern...will it spell out something of enlightenment? Or is it ALL just right there as is?

EDIT: is that the Nicholas Cage flick, you're talking about? (good ol' IMDb). I haven't seen it. Are there puzzles for the characters to figure out in the story line?

EDIT 2: nevermind, I saw this under the trivia for the movie: The perceptual phenomenon of people looking for patterns in randomness (number strings, faces in trees, shapes in clouds etc.) is called Apophenia.

 

[Favoritetune]

Try this- everything after never gonna:

O why, o no, she wont ,she wont, she wont, she wont ,she wont, she wont
Never gonna
Live with me

Never drink on the the public on the tele v
Never gonna nothing gonna stop
I never gonna



She gonna stop
I never gonna
Remember me
I never gonna
That she gonna live
I never gonna
Remember we
Gotta be

Also discard the random part about never drink

I'm still going here so be patient

If you remove words where he says got the feeling then this is what he is saying

trouble gonna stop,
she neva gonna drop
she never gonna step
but she never gonna know

that she’s on the high tip
that she never gonna take a break
her head is al f’d up
that she forgot about us

Now that's pretty darn deep

 

[Lisha]

Did you catch my previous post? Was everything I said in it a wash?

Okay, well, so

she never gonna know that she’s on the high tip (well, I can believe her not knowing that, for if she is like me, she doesn't even know what it means!)

and, she never gonna know that she never gonna take a break (is she at her workplace...does she belong to a union? I hope so)

and, she never gonna know that her head is al f’d up (maybe that's best, but I have a feeling he really wanted to let her know)

and, she never gonna know that she forgot about us (how did that ever slip her mind?)


That's all I got for you... maybe you can help.

 

[Favoritetune]

Wow!

I can't believe I waited anxiously for that

Okay, here's what I get

Each of these starts with got the feelin

trouble gonna stop,
she neva gonna drop
she never gonna step

Above it looks like he's optimistic here that she wont leave
then he says:

but she never gonna know

and follows with I got the feelin:

that she’s on the high tip (somthing staitioned high and can tip?)
that she never gonna take a break (things are gonna be difficult maybe?)
her head is all f’d up (Why would he say that?)
that she forgot about us (Maybe that's why?)

If you bold the words with editing at the random never gonna and gonna you get:

Live with me

Never drink on the the public on the tele v
stop

stop

Remember me

live

Remember we
Gotta be

and that is my conclusion for the night ladies.

I'd love to hear your interpretations but mind you I did just watch a dvd about a psychic, a mathematician, prevailing doom, and children's heaven all rolled into one thanks to my cous. so my brain is prob. not functioning in it's usual capacity or maybe this was the perfect time for me to spend some time trying to figure it out and that way was meant to be. I'll wait to see what you make of it.

and sadly Lashi, yes I think it was all a wash but I did read it!

 

[MysteriousPhoenix]

... Also, I was earlier today reminded of the question MP brought up (and you, FT) on what is keeping/kept MJ and his LITD girl apart. Then I came across a scripture in 1Thessalonians, where Paul is explaining the why behind his not being able to visit the church he has parented and loves.



That got me thinking and decided to change the words a bit to suit MJ and his LITD girl:

But, dear, when I was torn away from you for a long time (in person, not in thought), out of my intense longing I made every effort to see you. For I wanted to come to you -- certainly I did, again and again -- but Satan stopped me.

The above scripture shows how God's enemy can stop such a thing over and over again from happening, because of the enemy knowing how God's hand is on the people involved and if together they would experience a strenthening. No way does God's enemy want THAT!

I think that's it in a nutshell.

 

[Ape]

Oh boy, I am way back on page 500 or so in a 700 (almost) page thread and no time to read it. oh woah is me . Anyways, I like the last bit of what I read on the last page. I wonder if I will ever get to the nuggets of gold in the pages I've missed or not. (or are there any? well Im sure with all you guys there would be some at least). I hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to say hello mostly.

(oh and I went to my movie premiere. It went well. It's not out, just had one showing here and it's going to be in some festivals. Other than that not sure). I look awful in it, but that's the role. I liked watching it this time around. The first time I was disappointed but with a full audience it was nice. I enjoyed it more. If anyone was wondering about it.. thought I'd fill you in. I now have a poster with my name on it, which is kind of cool, and a DVD of it.)

 

[Favoritetune]

Hey Ape Congratulations on your movie debut!

Lashi, this isn't the post you were asking if I caught was it?

That got me thinking and decided to change the words a bit to suit MJ and his LITD girl:

But, dear, when I was torn away from you for a long time (in person, not in thought), out of my intense longing I made every effort to see you. For I wanted to come to you -- certainly I did, again and again -- but Satan stopped me.

The above scripture shows how God's enemy can stop such a thing over and over again from happening, because of the enemy knowing how God's hand is on the people involved and if together they would experience a strenthening. No way does God's enemy want THAT!

If that's the one you meant sorry, I thought you meant this post.

drop, step, know, take a break, get away, get away, live with me, nothing gonna stop, she gonna stop, remember me, that she gonna live, remember we gotta be.


About the one with the scripture, I saw it and thought it was pretty amazing that you found something that you used to relates so well. So amazed that I didn't have a way to comment on it at the time. I still don't entirely but now that you've answered my/our question (mine and Mysterious Phoenix') then I inquire what then would be the solution to this?

I'll check back later for any answers and I'll go read 1 Thess.

 

[Lisha]

Apers! It's so good to see you! I am proud of you for so many things, and that movie is one of them

MP, when I saw your post this morning, it put a big smile on my face. I wasn't sure if you had completely gone yet or not, and just seeing that MysteriousPhoenix had posted in the LITD thread, made me feel joy inside. Hope you're doing well. ray:

wendijane, that was sweet of you to thank Ape for her post. Aww. :hug:

 

[Lainy]

Hi ladies!
I just stop here to wish a great week for everyone. I hope you're doing well.
I was somewhat saddened by what I've read in some previous posts ... but... well... God will act.
Ape, I'm glad for your movie debut. Congratulations.
God bless all

EDIT:

Wow! If others had difficulty taking The Love in The Dark thread seriously before, how much more of a problem will they have with it... now that the thread is in a forum called, Shoo-be-doo-be-doo-da-day!

I ask you that!!! :lol:

I got a fright with this change name. :lol:

 

[Lisha]

I was somewhat saddened by what I've read in some previous posts ... but... well... God will act.

Many feel very saddened or uncomfortable when any confrontation is going on around them. I know and understand this. There is a catch phrase going around all over the net that goes like this, "Save your drama for your momma." People love saying it. And there is a lot of unnecessary drama that takes place. But a confrontation, using reasonable, pointed, fair wording is different (a calm, even, communication with the intent to help one possibly re-evaluate their behavior, and doing this while not using name-calling or a condescending tone, or other nasty, vehemous kind of talk, like I've seen take place in threads even on this site.). It is definitely different from that. But a lot of people have not had this calm, even communication (not done in anger) modeled to them, but only know the unhealthy, unreasonable, unfair, angry and belittling kind. And when reading text only, they assume the words must come with that, because it is what they are used to, but actually, if they could see the individual's face, they might see a face that is calm, and nothing like that at all. I hope always to be fair and reasonable in all of my communication, and I do pray for that.

I got a fright with this change name. :lol:

I know! Someone had way too much fun making that name up. :lol:


FT, do you have a time code to go with where you are hearing this?

her head is al f’d up

It is hard for me to picture the sweet, innocent Michael that I've created in my own head saying a lyric like that regarding his LITD girl, especially when he was quite confident that one day "she gon, she gon, she gonna hear it!" So I'd like to have another listen 'cause I can't (or don't want to) believe it!!! lol.

 

[8701girl]

(oh and I went to my movie premiere. It went well. It's not out, just had one showing here and it's going to be in some festivals. Other than that not sure). I look awful in it, but that's the role. I liked watching it this time around. The first time I was disappointed but with a full audience it was nice. I enjoyed it more. If anyone was wondering about it.. thought I'd fill you in. I now have a poster with my name on it, which is kind of cool, and a DVD of it.)

Congrats on the movie role! :clapping::clapping:

Im sure the movie will do great



What is the movie called?

 

[Asedora]

I do not know what kind of confrontation you guys were talking about. Hopefully it was not about me.
I am not sure that I can paricipate this conversation any longer cos I am busy with my own "stuff" but I will be here sometimes. Maybe finally the question about LITD will be more clear in the next 10 years
Take care everybody :huggy:

 

[8701girl]

I got a fright with this change name. :lol:

So did i! :lol:

 

[Favoritetune]

Lainy, Thanks for the well wishes!

Lashi, the time code is 3:19 and 20. I am not certain but that is what it sounds like. I think that could be why I stopped listening to the song long ago but I don't remember. Let me know what you hear.

Asedora, Ten years?!?

8701girl

 

[Lisha]

^ ya know, I find when listening to his hard to hear lyrics that the power of suggestion can be very strong, but I do think I can hear that now.

Well, gee, this then would go over just fine with his LITD girl, huh?... that he is the type who would talk like this with her? Very disrespectful. If a guy said that to me, I'd be gone.

But he seems to have relationships with girls who swear, so maybe it's his "type," and therefore she (LITD girl, if she exists) would be cool with it. I don't think LMP would bat an eye if he said that word around her. Many females wouldn't. I'd have a problem with it.

~ How do the rest of you women who read this thread feel about this? Would you be comfortable in a relationship with a man who swears and uses the f-word around you? Would you feel he still was being respectful to you? What if you observed that he didn't talk that way in front of his mom (can any of you, for example, picture MJ talking like that in front of Katherine?) but he does around you. How would that make you feel? Respected?

Now I know there are guys who swear all the time and are in circles where that is just how they talk, and if I was in the company of that sort of male, then I would understand that it might be too much of a battle to fight to get him to understand it was making me feel disrespected...so I would weigh it, and perhaps let it go. But the man who has given me every indication that he cares about me and wants to be in a relationship with me, yet talks that way with me? No.

Another thing to think about it, if MJ was saying that word because he was upset, frustrated, and angry at the LITD girl for "leaving" or making him feel she didn't want him...whatever, some misunderstanding that had not been talked through yet...well, what would make her think that if she was in a relationship with him and he got angry, hurt, frustrated, he wouldn't lose control and start swearing at her? Couldn't this be a heads up that he might do that? How demeaning to be treated like that by a man you care about. Wouldn't you expect him, if he loves you and cares, to remain respectful even if he is upset, and to communicate what he is feeling to you in rational words in a reasonable way? Wouldnt he want that in return? I would no way if I was angry at someone I valued yell at them or call them names or start cussing just because they upset me (I'm not saying I wouldn't show any signs of being upset...). So, then, I would no way receive or accept that from the man.

Would you girls? Or you guys...would you want your sisters to be talked at like that?

 

[Favoritetune]

This song was about a girl not sung to a girl so it's not really talking to her. You called it rambling so maybe maybe he was just going through the motions. Hey, maybe he was drinking and that's where the other line came from

All silliness aside to be honest as to your question nobody is perfect and people make mistakes. The duty in love is to learn and grow.

 

[8701girl]

All the men in my life pretty much swear ...and i have to admit so do i! *blush*


And i do get call names by my stepdad sometimes but i just ignore it really, theres no point getting upset bout that cuz it just shows how childish he is at times.

But if i had a boyfriend/husband and said those names to me id tell them how i feel bout it, make him apologise but if he didnt id leave.