Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

There are some friends that were a part of my life in my past that will never, ever part from my heart. There are just some people that we come across that we just know we will always want the best for their life; and our heart will always be filled with warmth when we think about them. I already feel that way about MP; I will always want the Lord's best for her in her life and will always think of her with fondness...even after she is long gone from this place. Those warm feelings for her won't go away.


I have a friend who i have known all my life and always used to talk to, but now that she has married & got children - we dont speak much at all.

Even though it does hurt that we rarely see or talk to each other now, i still wish her & her family all best. But it does hurt alot that our friendship has died down but i know its time for me to move on & let go slowly
 
I have a friend who i have known all my life and always used to talk to, but now that she has married & got children - we dont speak much at all.

Even though it does hurt that we rarely see or talk to each other now, i still wish her & her family all best. But it does hurt alot that our friendship has died down but i know its time for me to move on & let go slowly

I'm sorry now that I brought something up that caused you to think about a hurtful situation in your own life regarding a friendship. :( And what makes me sad about this having occured in your life is because you have in posts, here and there, in this thread, given me the impression that you do not really see your true worth. And I'm afraid that the way this friendship you mention has waned, that it has made you feel a little rejected. That can affect our self-esteem when that happens; don't let it.

I know you said not too long ago in a post that you feel you would not be "worthy" enough to be MJ's LITD girl. But you have to know, someone special like Michael has been given the gift from God to really "see" a person's worth, and he would have "seen" you...your heart and your value. And God is going to bring others into your life that will be able to as well. Wait on Him. There is a man out there who will have those kind of "seeing" eyes for you. You will know him by the warmth you feel and the acceptance you feel when you are with him. Remember what I've said. One day he'll be there. :better:
 
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I'm sorry now that I brought something up that caused you to think about a hurtful situation in your own life regarding a friendship. :( And what makes me sad about this having occured in your life is because you have in posts, here and there, in this thread, given me the impression that you do not really see your true worth. And I'm afraid that the way this friendship you mention has waned, has made you feel a little rejected. That can affect our self-esteem when that happens; don't let it.

I know you said not too long ago in a post that you feel you would not be "worthy" enough to be MJ's LITD girl. But you have to know, someone special like Michael has been given the gift from God to really "see" a person's worth, and he would have "seen" you...your heart and your value. And God is going to bring others into your life that will be able to as well. Wait on Him. There is a man out there who will have those kind of "seeing" eyes for you. You will know him by the warmth you feel and the acceptance you feel when you are with him. Remember what I've said. One day he'll be there. :better:


Theres no need for u to apologise, its ok.

I do admit i have felt my self esteem go down over the years and now i constantly feel anxious & nervous all the time.

But its not so much bout the friendships that have taken me this way- its me all me. I have gotten to a point i have become stuck and dont know how 2 get out of it. And thats proberly the reason why my friends have dissed me.. they just cant understand or simply dont want 2.




I think it maybe too late for that man to come in my life, once i have sorted myself out ....it may be too late.
 
I think it maybe too late for that man to come in my life, once i have sorted myself out ....it may be too late.


I see. You are at a stand still. I understand. You need some kind of helping hand. May I suggest you start with God? He is a pro at getting those who come to Him "unstuck."

If you allow God to help you sort yourself out, once He has done that, it will be perfect timing for that man to come into your life. God is always on time if you trust Him, it will not be too late. But in order to first understand your own true worth, you need to understand how much you are worth to God. Seek Him; ask Him to show you. Then He may bring others into yor life that He will use to reinforce that to you...safe people (but imperfect people like us all, remember that)who will show you acceptance and will not criticize you or make you feel inferior. Give God a chance, ask Him.
 
Theres no need for u to apologise, its ok.

I do admit i have felt my self esteem go down over the years and now i constantly feel anxious & nervous all the time.

But its not so much bout the friendships that have taken me this way- its me all me. I have gotten to a point i have become stuck and dont know how 2 get out of it. And thats proberly the reason why my friends have dissed me.. they just cant understand or simply dont want 2.




I think it
maybe too late for that man to come in my life
, once i have sorted myself out ....it may be too late.


It's "never" to late...

When the "right one" comes along you WILL know it..!

Mr.Jackson says it best; Always "Keep The Faith" ~~~



As Always

:angel:
 
But its not so much bout the friendships that have taken me this way- its me all me. I have gotten to a point i have become stuck and dont know how 2 get out of it. And thats proberly the reason why my friends have dissed me.. they just cant understand or simply dont want 2.




I think it maybe too late for that man to come in my life, once i have sorted myself out ....it may be too late.

I knew one girl (she was here on MJJC) She told me that Michael was sort of holding her from getting married. She was not interested in other guys but after he passed she somehow managed to move on and even went to another country to meet that guy. But she told me no one will be like Michael. I understand it, but it is very sad. We all look for perfection but the truth is we have to learn how to love somebody who is not that perfect.
 
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Some people believe in reincarnation in steps up the evolutionary ladder, some believe when you die - you cease to exist, some believe in heaven on earth, some believe in heaven and hell...

Out of all the philosophies I have read concerning what occurs after this life is over the one that speaks of heaven and hell seems the wisest to believe. Why? Because IF there is a hell you don't want to go there and should there be a heaven you don't wanna miss it! So it would be extremely foolish in my opinion to overlook what could be the most important decision in life- heaven or hell?

I believe there is someone to love for those who have a heart that cries for love. I believe there is someone there to answer that call but far too many people settle for what they want instead of what God has for them.
 
I knew one girl (she was here on MJJC) She told me that Michael was sort of holding her from getting the married. She was not interested in other guys but after he passed she somehow managed to move on and even went to another country to meet that guy. But she told me no one will be like Michael. I understand it, but it is very sad. We all look for perfection but the truth is we have to learn how to love somebody who is not that perfect.

Well, we know nothing about universe, we are just humans. All we can do is just to believe. We do not know universal law and how it works, but I am assuming that the faith is very important. Even Jesus was teaching about importance to keeping the faith.

Even MJ who did anything he could to find his LITD girl, did not find her, but even if he did, it would be only in case if this union was set up in Heaven because he sacrificed himself for love. Love is such thing which is VERY difficult to get and from mine point of view it is a main reason for reincarnation. We keep trying over and over by coming back because we all have been separated from our soul flames.

But if it even nothing there after death....., some ppl say... Personally, I do care because if I am dead I simply will not feel anything anymore. It is even better lol. Why to worry? This is how I talk to myself sometimes lol


Oh its not michael thats holding me bck...just other stuff going on with my life and me in general.

I just need someone that will be there for me in the good times and in the bad. And also they need to be in a relationship with me cuz they want 2 be, not cuz someone told them to.
 
Some people believe in reincarnation in steps up the evolutionary ladder, some believe when you die - you cease to exist, some believe in heaven on earth, some believe in heaven and hell...

Out of all the philosophies I have read concerning what occurs after this life is over the one that speaks of heaven and hell seems the wisest to believe. Why? Because IF there is a hell you don't want to go there and should there be a heaven you don't wanna miss it! So it would be extremely foolish in my opinion to overlook what could be the most important decision in life- heaven or hell?

I believe there is someone to love for those who have a heart that cries for love. I believe there is someone there to answer that call but far too many people settle for what they want instead of what God has for them.

Dear Favoritetune;

With regards to your reflection of thoughts about heaven I have a "true story" that I would like share that recently happened close to home...

My sister Deb & I frequently visit mom and friends at the nursing home where she has been residing for the past few years...

One evening about two weeks ago, a son came to visit his mom like he always did on a regular basis. But on this particular day, he received that dreaded call we all fear when the time has come for our elderly parents to move on from this physical plane...

On that night, when he went to visit his mom for the last time, as they held each others hand, she said to him "please don't worry, don't be sad, all my friends and family are here, this place is beautiful, more beautiful than I could have ever imagined... I don't even need my shoes..!"~~~

As he made his way out of his moms room that evening for apparent reason (s) he was sobbing profusely...minutes later his mom passed...

Therefore, I have personally experienced with my pops passing as well as on occasion, seen enough to believe that the phenomenon of God, Heaven, and the Angels are always at work..!:wub:

God Bless

As Always

:angel:
 
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... Well, just to keep a discussion going, I think Mysterious Phoenix was going to write about curses. I think Michael being so full of light was a magnet for evil forces to try to take him down. I think many people perhaps without even realizing it spoke curses over his life and if there is a litdg then if she is spiritually attuned she would have had to battle a lot of this in the spirit. I don't know if Michael would have been able to pray through so much evil alone. I am also sure many of Michael's fans aided him by lifting their prayers on his behalf.

Maybe a prayer chain should be started for her, too!

... There are some friends that were a part of my life in my past that will never, ever part from my heart. There are just some people that we come across that we just know we will always want the best for their life; and our heart will always be filled with warmth when we think about them. I already feel that way about MP; I will always want the Lord's best for her in her life and will always think of her with fondness...even after she is long gone from this place. Those warm feelings for her won't go away.

Awww, thank you, Lashi! That really touched my heart. I feel the same about you, too!

... Now some of these friends of mine I have not seen or spoken with for over twenty years...but they have not left my heart. Just the other day I was thinking of them and thanking the Lord that He had brought them in my life for a season of time. If I saw them today, something tells me we would pick up where we left off and still care very much. I believe this is because there are some in our lives that God creates a godly soul-tie with; like He did with Jonathan and David in the Bible. They both knew that there friendship tie would be there forever.

Do you have to be right there in someone's life to still keep them in your heart? And if they always remain in your heart, in a way, are you still being there for them? Isn't that the message MJ ws trying to get across in YANA and a couple other songs...even though he wasn't in his LITD girl's life (or his fans) he was still there. How? Throught a spiritual connection?

If I had a godly soul-tie friendship formed with MJ and he got all pouty because I decided to not be visible to him anymore online due to God calling me to other things, then, oh boy...I'd have to hand that one over to God and say...get him lined up, God, with this...help him be understanding and less selfish. (not that I think he was the type that would have been).

One could argue that "seeing" her (his LITD girl) around in some capacity was important to him based on us hearing him sing pointedly, "Keeping her around, keeping her around" during the TII rehearsals. But still, that could just mean his being able to "pick her up" as being around through their spiritual connection. And if for some reason MJ had to be out of sight because it was God telling him to do so, should his LITD girl be pouty because it's too hard for her not being able to see him in some way or know what is going on? I should hope not! It should be far more important to her that her man is obeying God no matter what the cost to their relationship, and she should trust both MJ and God and wait in faith. (I am remembering that speech where MJ talked about others saying things like: "Where is he?...or...There he is again!" so he did at times disappear from view for awhile)

If God is behind their love for each other, it will remain steadfast and they will BE there for each other (even if not seen as being around) as they wait on God to work all things into good for them. And they should still be able to "feel" each other, but even if that for some reason abates, they need to stand on their love anyway...just like with God at times, sometimes He will feel more distant to us at times than others...yet, this should not change our faith or knowing His love for us, even...if we can't feel it. But "feeling it" seems to have been crucial to MJ as far as feeling the love from his fans and his LITD girl (iif she exists).

When you initially brought up the songs, Favoritetune, Don't Walk Away, and Fall Again, and asked the question how can he stop losing her? ...and, what was he wanting her to do? I was thinking that he was emphasizing to "her" the importance to him that he always continues to feel her through that spiritual connection. He won't feel he is "losing her" if he knows she is still having her thoughts pointed towards him. Because of his unique situation of his celebrity and his sensitivity to things and his feelings of loneliness...staying connected has a strong importance to him, I think...like a lifeline. It seems the most valuable thing to him, is that he knows she cares, even if he can't see her or be with her.

He made it a point to say to her in the adlibs of TGIM 2008, that "you know, you know I really care." That is the same thing he wanted from her...to always know and FEEL that she really cares, and by his saying that she knows he really cares in that adlib, then he must have hoped she was able to "feel it" even when he couldn't show her in the ways a man can, when in an actual personal relationship with someone. MJ's life was unique, and he needed her to be willing to get onboard with a unique way for them to relate. Theirs seems to be destined to not be like an everyday love relationship. And what was important to him was something so much deeper than even the physical display (although always nice...not of as much value to him than the strong "divine" connection). That is why he sang, 'It doesn't matter to me how you kiss, touch, love, or hold me." In other words, he viewed what they had, a divine love connection, of greater, and deeper value.

We do know, if we consider this repeated lyric in several of his songs through the years, that he yearned for some physical connectiveness with her. But it wasn't about sex (not that he wouldn't have enjoyed that!) it was just to be able to finally touch her, since he loved her from a far...like gently tough her hand or to softly stroke her face. It reminds me of Wall-E and how much he hungered to just hold Eve's hand. That's all Wall-E wanted...to be able to touch her in that sweet and pure way.

It makes me wonder if MJ finally had a chance (I shouldn' have to say this , but what I am setting up is just for example sake, not that this should ever be possible. Privacy first!) to touch her after longing to for years, and we his fans who have heard his lyrics and picked up on his longing...could sit there in a theater and see up on the screen, just as it was happening for him and her for the first time...there...he is lovingly taking her hand and is feeling all the sensations accompanying it...wouldn't we, wouldn't we all just feel compelled to yell out and hoot and applaud in joy for him, since he waited soooooooo long just to do that with her. We were awfully happy for Wall-E; how much more if it was our beloved Michael. Yes? He's taken us through it all with him through his songs and lyrics. It's like he's saying "You're in on it with me, because you've been paying attention." AllForMJ was paying attention, wasn't she? And so we have this thread ...

This post was great! And made a lot of sense! Thanks so much for taking the time to write it!
 
Doubt it. He knew some would be happy for him & some wouldn't. I think if Michael had been able to be happily married permanently he's still be with us.

"Do you guys think Michael was afraid of hurting his fans so instead he sacrificed himself and his litdg? Maybe he thought the fans felt he should be with them or no one at all? Maybe the closer he got to this litdg the more it scared him because the more likely it seemed he would cause others hurt."
 
Love.him, Nice insight! Thanks for replying!

Lashi, I wanted to give you props on your beautiful posts to 8701. I wanted to reply and encourage her when I read the post but it seems you touched it all.

8701, God bless you! It'll get better.

Sdeidjs, Thank you for sharing that story with us! I have heard MANY like this including some on the more cryptic side of things illustrating hell. One of which I heard came from an atheist on his death bed. I was told he started screaming about the fire and "them coming for him." It was really sad and morbid...

One of the reasons I say people should consider that there is a hell is because even if you don't believe it is better to be precautious and prepared than unaware. Some religions don't believe in hell. I spoke to one wonderful woman and she asked how could there be a fire that never ends and pain that never goes away or something along those lines. I asked her how the sun has managed to burn for so long and wouldn't it be possible for God. When she had asked me about the pain she may have said people could get used to but I just thought of my brother who had a toothache when I was a kid and his pain did not end until he went to the dr. If so there is a hell the bible warns more times than I counted and it talks of it being eternal. Who wants that?

Some people say they don't want to live in fear and think of such things but as I am writing just now I thought about people warning about driving in the desert and how to keep the car from overheating and how some disregard the advice and how people are advised when going through long patches of untravelled land to get gas whenever close to half a tank... Sorry to say many have broken down from their cars overheating and lack of gas for not heading advice and wanting to not be afraid. Some hances aren't worth taking.

Asedora, you said "But if it even nothing there after death....., some ppl say... Personally, I do care because if I am dead I simply will not feel anything anymore. It is even better lol. Why to worry? This is how I talk to myself sometimes lol"

A lot of people think this way and that is a big if to chance. Some people (obviously not saying you do nor am I implying all) feel they have no one to answer to and they are free to do whatever, however to whomever etcetera. Wont they be surprised if they are wrong.

I think of the bible telling us about hell like our parents warning us of spankings or other punishements to keep us in line. Some kids are good and they just do right others climb the fence of the borders of right and fear is very useful. Some may say why should a child fear but I ask when they grow up and walk into the real world not knowing punishment and reprecussion what then? If so be there is a great creator, which I wholeheartedly believe there is without an ounce of doubt, I think He too has consequences and compassion. His compassion was expressed in the death of Jesus Christ if we reject that then all else is on us. That is our choice not His doing.

Mysterious Phoenix, That was a sweet idea about a prayer chain for a litdg but his fans would likely pray against her and that is probably what she has battled amidst praying for him. Maybe it would be better for any who care to pray in privately. Beautiful thought though if she were to exist and read it I bet it would bring tears to her eyes if she is sappy like that.

Okay, Lashi where is the rest of that post?

MP, What else do you know about curses? I know love breaks them.
 
"This video collaboration was one of Mr.Michael Jackson's personal projects with some Friend (s) of his they created for all the Orphaned Children Of The World..!" (c) 2009 :wub:




God Bless

L.O.V.E Always

:angel:
 
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Wow! Sdeidjs, thank you for posting that! Makes you want to hug and kiss each one of them and again my favorite song for now.
 
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I loooooooooooove this thread. :wub: :heart: :girl_in_love: :give_heart: :give_rose: :blush: Wonderful thoughts.... :clapping: I really have nothing to say. I feel that my journey ended in this thread. :yes: So now I'm just observing here.... :shifty:

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Oh its not michael thats holding me bck...just other stuff going on with my life and me in general.

I just need someone that will be there for me in the good times and in the bad. And also they need to be in a relationship with me cuz they want 2 be, not cuz someone told them to.

Sorry, I did not mean that Michael was holding you back from starting your realtionships with guys. I just said that I heard stories like that. I hope you will be all right. If I ever would tell my life story to anybody ppl will ask me how did I go trough this hell. So, I prefer not to and I just keep going and I take whatever comes, and just deal with this. Life is not an easy thing, just do what you have to do.:)

To everybody:


Personally, I do not believe in hell existence. I do believe in Jesus Christ but not in hell.
Take care :flowers:
 
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Asedora,

Please be careful. It seems that you are taking guidance that tells you there is another chance after this life to get things right. Seize today! This is the life that matters, your second chance is already here. Some people think that they regress and progress until they get it right but if they are wrong and it does boil down to heaven or hell then that's it game over- no replay.
 
After deep thought and review of the many beautiful reflection of thoughts in this thread for many moons...I find myself sharing some reflective thoughts of strength, knowledge, and everlasting L.O.V.E of the Heart (s)~~~

Again, some may be a bit perplexed while others will become truly enlightened;




May GOD continue to Bless YOU in all that YOU do and keep YOU FOREVER safe from harms way~~~




God Bless

L.O.V.E Always

:angel:
 
After deep thought and review of the many beautiful reflection of thoughts in this thread for many moons...I find myself sharing some reflective thoughts of strength, knowledge, and everlasting L.O.V.E of the Heart (s)~~~

Again, some may be a bit perplexed while others will become truly enlightened;




May GOD continue to Bless YOU in all that YOU do and keep YOU FOREVER safe from harms way~~~




God Bless

L.O.V.E Always

:angel:
Beautiful videos!!!! :wild:

Thanks!!! :)


:angel:
 
Sorry, I did not mean that Michael was holding you back from starting your realtionships with guys. I just said that I heard stories like that. I hope you will be all right. If I ever would tell my life story to anybody ppl will ask me how did I go trough this hell. So, I prefer not to and I just keep going and I take whatever comes, and just deal with this. Life is not an easy thing, just do what you have to do.:)

To everybody:


Personally, I do not believe in hell existence. I do believe in Jesus Christ but not in hell.
Take care :flowers:

Thats ok, just do what u feel is right for u :)

I was always taught in church in my primary school days that hell was for the ppl that did bad in their life and those who did good will be in gods eternal world. I dont know if i belive in it cuz i havent well lived that yet lol...guess i'll know when that day comes when i die.
 
Sdeidjs, that was such a nice story you shared about the woman in the nursing home and her son. I am glad that you and your sister were there for that son during and after her passing. How cute his mother mentions that she doesn't even need shoes where she was a goin'. :)

MP, What else do you know about curses? I know love breaks them.

How do you mean "love breaks them?"
 
I think he means how they can destory love

Actually when one speaks of curses and getting rid of them, they use the phrase "breaking" the curse or "breaking it off" of someone. So here I am thinking Favoritetune is saying that Love has the power to break a curse off of someone.

I am curious on what exactly Fav (your name is too long for a poor typist like me) is meaning on how Love can do that. I guess I would like an example.
 
Actually when one speaks of curses and getting rid of them, they use the phrase "breaking" the curse or "breaking it off" of someone. So here I am thinking Favoritetune is saying that Love has the power to break a curse off of someone.

I am curious on what exactly Fav (your name is too long for a poor typist like me) is meaning on how Love can do that. I guess I would like an example.

Well love is a very powerful thing, if its strong enough- it will withstand anything thats stands in its way.
 
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