Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Aww, thanks guys for the nice welcoming :wub:

I am amazed that this thread is still alive and filled with so many well thought-out and profound posts - and of course so much love, love, love - even after more than two years since its beginning. It gives such a good vibe :clapping:
I would love to read everything in here but it's so much that since the beginning of this year I've only come to page 230! So I guess it will still take a while, but every page is worthwhile and one day I will have read it all!! :D

And yeah, what in thee world is Lashi talking about? Is she tryin' to make like a tree and leave? (Boy, that was a dumb joke!)

Actually, I think it was a cute joke and it made me smile :D
 
Lashi, don't stop making your posts.
And yeah, what in thee world is Lashi talking about? Is she tryin' to make like a tree and leave? (Boy, that was a dumb joke!)Funny!

Well, when I said what I said about making like a tree and leave-ing, I was sort of talking outloud...

I will be open with you all here. I do not want to be anywhere where God does not want me to be, or stay even a minute longer than He would want me to, so...I am always checking in with Him and watching to see if He gives me any indication that I'm to go. In fact, at times it's more like a "Can I go NOW!" then a "when would You like me to go?, sort of thing. lol. And that pretty much is how it's been from the very beginning of my entering the MJ world. This hasn't been easy for me, these three years have included some very hard trials for me personally, very difficult...the most difficult for me ever in my life to date. So you can see why I might be asking quite frequently, "Can I leave NOW?!"

But here I am again (meaning I came back a bit ago). Posting away.

I came back to bless some here who I felt were getting kind of sad that the thread was not having too many posts going on in it, and things maybe were less deep and interesting, like the thread was kind of dying. I knew it would be very unlikely to return things to how they were when it was hopping in here and so many were loving it, because some key and brilliant contributors are gone, and their posts are very much missed. But I thought I'd come for a time and post some things (because as you can all probably see, it isn't too hard for me to think of something to say in response to others posts).

But, with noticing some new faces in here who have the potential to add a lot to this thread with their posts, I'm thinkin' hey, this may be it...time to defer to others and move on.

I always remember something a gal shared who had the right heart attitude regarding only wanting to be where God wanted her, and only for as long as He did.

She was surprised to find herself being asked to sing as a background vocalist for a worship team at a church. That was a rather coveted position, which of course the word coveted shouldn't be involved when it comes to serving God, but the church is full of people, and again, people are flawed. But she handed the whole thing over to God and said, "I'm willing to serve You in this way as long as you want, Lord." Being that she had some prophetic gifting, she was given an impression that God was saying to her, "When a girl joins the team that is a dancer, then you will know your time is done." Well, she blessed the church with her vocals for about two years and then, at one rehearsal, the worship leader announced to the team he was adding a new girl. And there she was, and she had a lovely voice and seemed to fit in well even that first night. So, being that our "herione" here, was always watching to know when her time was through, she started a conversaton with the girl, some small talk, ya know, and then asked her what kind of things she was into. The girl, answered, "Well, I'm actually a dancer."

It must have been fun standing up there on stage at the mic every Sunday, I'm sure, and having everyone think you're pretty special and awfully lucky (since so few were asked) to be on the worship team at a church as large as that one was, but this gal had things in proper perspective and at that time, after that rehearsal, let the worship leader know that she believed God now had other things for her to do, and she was stepping down.

If it is your heart's desire to please God and do your best to serve Him, you try your best to listen and figure out where He wants you to be or what He has given your hand to do at any particular time.

I know Michael Jackson has done a lot of impressive things, and I know I look at things differently than some, that what I value may not be what someone else values, but there is something that Michael had been overheard saying that warmed my heart...deeply.

Some time after he died there was an interview with his voice instructor, Seth, and Seth told the story that the last time they were togehter (it might have been about three weeks before June 25th) he and MJ were in a room with Michael standing there ready to work on his voice, while Seth was at the pinao. But Seth first was playing something spontaneously... whatever came to him, as he was sititng there at the piano...just caught up in letting his fingers go. Michael, being one who is (as AllForMJ has put it) "a feeler" began to feel the presence of the Lord in that music. Seth wonderfully picked up on this, and with sensitivity, decided to leave MJ alone with God in that room...he even turned the light off as he exited to help there be less distraction as Michael spent that quiet time with God. When he returned, thinking it might have been enough time, Michael still was quietly talking to the Lord, and Seth heard him say,

"God, just tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do it."

To me, there are words no more beautiful for a man to say. Michael Jackson, you succeeded in impressing me very much with those words.

I don't always hear God right, and I make a lot of mistakes, but I try to stay in His will the best I'm able, and if it is His will for me to stop hanging around this site or post in this thread...then that's what I want to be aligned with. Don't know for sure yet, but I'm watching and trying to listen.


Favoritetune, I don't agree with your view on unconditional love, so maybe you'd rather I wouldn't post THAT post that explains why. haha!
 
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I came back to bless some here who I felt were getting kind of sad that the thread was not having too many posts going on in it, and things maybe were less deep and interesting, like the thread was kind of dying. I knew it would be very unlikely to return things to how they were when it was hopping in here and so many were loving it, because some key and brilliant contributers are gone, and their posts are very much missed. But I thought I'd come for a time and post some things (because as you can all probably see, it isn't too hard for me to think of something to say in response to others posts).
Hey.... :hug:

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Some time after he died there was an interview with his voice instructor, Seth, and Seth told the story that the last time they were togehter (it might have been about three weeks before June 25th) he and MJ were in a room with Michael standing there ready to work on his voice, while Seth was at the pinao. But Seth first was playing something spontaneously... whatever came to him, as he was sititng there at the piano...just caught up in letting his fingers go. Michael, being one who is (as AllForMJ has put it) "a feeler" began to feel the presence of the Lord in that music. Seth wonderfully picked up on this, and with sensitivity, decided to leave MJ alone with God in that room...he even turned the light off as he exited to help there be less distraction as Michael spent that quiet time with God. When he returned, thinking it might have been enough time, Michael still was quietly talking to the Lord, and Seth heard him say,

"God, just tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do it."

To me, there are words no more beautiful for a man to say. Michael Jackson, you succeeded in impressing me very much with those words.
I watched this interview. :heart: God, it broke me.... :cry: *big sigh*
 
Lashi, the reason why I started posting here is because I loved reading your posts and this is why I decided to share my own thoughts.:huggy:
Also MP posts inspired me to think deeper into something I did not do before. We are learning together about love. Shearing opinions is wonderful thing to do.:)
But, really do what God tells you to do :heart: I can understand it.
 
Some time after he died there was an interview with his voice instructor, Seth, and Seth told the story that the last time they were togehter (it might have been about three weeks before June 25th) he and MJ were in a room with Michael standing there ready to work on his voice, while Seth was at the pinao. But Seth first was playing something spontaneously... whatever came to him, as he was sititng there at the piano...just caught up in letting his fingers go. Michael, being one who is (as AllForMJ has put it) "a feeler" began to feel the presence of the Lord in that music. Seth wonderfully picked up on this, and with sensitivity, decided to leave MJ alone with God in that room...he even turned the light off as he exited to help there be less distraction as Michael spent that quiet time with God. When he returned, thinking it might have been enough time, Michael still was quietly talking to the Lord, and Seth heard him say,

"God, just tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do it."



AWW he was so beautiful :cry:
 
Hi guys,

Asedora, even the ending is tragic! A souless extended non life of watering flowers with tears???

I am sorry but I have to say again in my opinion the taking of ANY life is selfishness! This story portrays a jealous enraged lady who is about to take the life of the woman who was with the man she wanted to have but instead chooses to commit suicide. She did not give up her life she took it! Her thoughts were murder or self murder and both or wrong in the scenario depicted.

To compare such an action to Jesus' dting on the cross to stand in our stead is totally wrong because He allowed people to kill him, He did not commit suicide.

I am kind of yelling with a bleeding heart right now because I am frustrated and sad all at once listening to this story and thinking some of MJ's fans can relate to that.

Again I ask, if there is someone who is meant to be with Michael and this lady saw him with Lisa Presley after they were married and took her own life, where would that leave Michael after he and Lisa divorced? Answer the same question concerning Debbie Rowe?

Only God knows what the future holds in it's entirety, no one should give up on life or hate another to the point of murder.

If this mermaid in the story line was in love with Michael and his bride that she saw him with was Lisa Mary Presley if the mermaid committed suicide where would Michael be if she were the one for him?

To me that story line seems like a childish adult who can't have their own way throwing a fit. Enraged she wants to kill the woman who has what she wants then realizing the great remorse she would feel for breaking the heart of the man she loved so she instead chooses to take her own life rather than find the strength to carry on and trust that life had love for her.

I am sorry if you can feel my frustration from the words I am writing and though I feel like I am yelling I am not yelling at you, just the thought of such a desperate depression makes me livid and sad for any who might feel that way.

I have read many of your posts which I think are so eloquent, intelligent and outright beautiful so please do not take my ranting as an attack against you in any way, rather it is my compassion towards your views that I exert.

Lashi?

You were joking? That wasn't funny!

I hope God doesn't want you to leave anytime soon and I may put in some selfish prayers concerning that:)

I don't mind you posting opposing views to what I wrote. We may not agree or I may see things from a different viewpoint, we're all still growing.

I think that you would say something along the lines of Jesus died because of unconditional love for humanity but had humanity not sinned there would be no need for His unconditional love to be shown in such an extreme complete extent. That is all I was saying. I know it is His love that compelled Him to allow Himself to die but again it is our sins that made there be a need for Him to die.

This is too deep and sad. Am I chasing people away? Maybe I should be the one to stop posting?

How many more posts do I need for my messages to show up before the day is gone?

Who knows where to find that interview of Michael's vocal coach? Is that on this site?
 
Well, when I said what I said about making like a tree and leave-ing, I was sort of talking outloud...

I will be open with you all here. I do not want to be anywhere where God does not want me to be, or stay even a minute longer than He would want me to, so...I am always checking in with Him and watching to see if He gives me any indication that I'm to go. In fact, at times it's more like a "Can I go NOW!" then a "when would You like me to go?, sort of thing. lol. And that pretty much is how it's been from the very beginning of my entering the MJ world. This hasn't been easy for me, these three years have included some very hard trials for me personally, very difficult...the most difficult for me ever in my life to date. So you can see why I might be asking quite frequently, "Can I leave NOW?!"

... I don't always hear God right, and I make a lot of mistakes, but I try to stay in His will the best I'm able, and if it is His will for me to stop hanging around this site or post in this thread...then that's what I want to be aligned with. Don't know for sure yet, but I'm watching and trying to listen.

I understand, Lashi, for I too think that my days here have been numbered (the end coming as soon as perhaps the end of this week).

The times they sure are a'changin' - and fast! It can be scary, but, like an acticle I read just today about the saints in the old testament, when God told them to "Go!" they just went! They didn't even know where they were going, they just walked by faith! They are my heroes! I want to be like that!

I feel God is placing many of us on some kind of journey. I think we should all pray for each other since sometimes journeys (and transitions) can be pretty rough.

I hope it is in God's will for me to be here just a little longer since this thread and everyone in it has meant so much to me. But, if it doesn't fit into His plan for my life, I will accept it and move forward. There is sadness in my heart, but I am giving myself permission to be excited as well!

I hope we will all enjoy the journeys God has chosen to set us on and I hope we will all meet up again just around the bend.:angel:

P.S. Hey, I just wanted to add a little comic relief, since that has always been my way of dealing with difficulties in my life, and Lashi, I just wanted to say that if you've ever seen the movie What About Bob? (which in my opinion has got to be one of the funniest movies ever made!), then you will understand when I say that I give you permission to take a vacation - a vacation from your problems! If any of you out there have not seen it, you must rent it TODAY!
 
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I understand, Lashi, for I too think that my days here have been numbered (the end coming as soon as perhaps the end of this week).

The times they sure are a'changin' - and fast! It can be scary, but, like an acticle I read just today about the saints in the old testament, when God told them to "Go!" they just went! They didn't even know where they were going, they just walked by faith! They are my heroes! I want to be like that!

I feel God is placing many of us on some kind of journey. I think we should all pray for each other since sometimes journeys (and transitions) can be pretty rough.

I hope it is in God's will for me to be here just a little longer since this thread and everyone in it has meant so much to me. But, if it doesn't fit into His plan for my life, I will accept it and move forward. There is sadness in my heart, but I am giving myself permission to be excited as well!

I hope we will all enjoy the journeys God has chosen to set us on and I hope we will all meet up again just around the bend.:angel:

P.S. Hey, I just wanted to add a little comic relief, since that has always been my way of dealing with difficulties in my life, and Lashi, I just wanted to say that if you've ever seen the movie What About Bob? (which in my opinion has got to be one of the funniest movies ever made!), then you will understand when I say that I give you permission to take a vacation - a vacation from your problems! If any of you out there have not seen it, you must rent it TODAY!
I totatly understand and enjoyed your post...thank you.
 
What Is this thing called L.O.V.E..?

Love is the emotion of strong affection and personal attachment. In philosophical context, love is a virtue representing all of human kindness, compassion, and affection. In religious context, love is not just a virtue, but the basis for all being ("God is love"), and the foundation for all divine law (Golden Rule).

The word love can refer to a variety of different feelings, states, and attitudes, ranging from generic pleasure ("I loved that meal") to intense interpersonal attraction ("I love my wife").

"Love" can also refer specifically to the passionate desire and intimacy of romantic love, to the sexual love of eros (cf. Greek words for love), to the emotional closeness of familial love, or to the platonic love that defines friendship,to the profound oneness or devotion of religious love.This diversity of uses and meanings, combined with the complexity of the feelings involved, makes love unusually difficult to consistently define, even compared to other emotional states.

Love in its various forms acts as a major facilitator of interpersonal relationships and, owing to its central psychological importance, is one of the most common themes in the creative arts.


Unconditional love is a term that means to love someone regardless of the loved one's qualities or actions. The paradigm of unconditional love is a mother's love for her newborn.

Unconditional love is often used to describe the love in an idealized romantic relationship. It may sometimes also be used to describe love between family members, comrades in arms and between others in highly committed relationships.

Unconditional love is a side-effect of nirvana.

Quotations referring to unconditional love;

Referring to a belief in ideal love among humankind, Civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. was quoted as saying “I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word in reality”.

Unconditional Love Written by Tracy Carrigan "I opened the Door of my Heart to Unconditional Love"

Pope John Paul II was recorded as saying during a homily in San Francisco, in September 1987, that God "loves us all with an unconditional, everlasting love".

Source: Wikipedia

As Always

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I think it is possible to love unconditionally as a human. I imagine that is the love a loving parent has for their child and in beautiful rare cases of love spouses have for the other, sometimes even in friendship.

Unconditional means even though you say or do something displeasing or outright cruel or hateful to another the love carries on. Through the winter and summer and all of the seasons of love, love carries on. Through the good, bad happy, sad, difficult, dark and light love carries on.

Unconditional is not placing ultimatums on love as to say if you do this or unless you do that. It is accepting a person as they are and loving them even when they do not seem so loveable.

Loving someone however is not staying around to be abused by a hateful spouse or uncaring friend it is to still love them despite their flaws and failures. To help and care, share and grow is to love.

When Jesus died on the cross it was so we could receive redemption for our sins. His love was unconditional but He did not have to die because His love was unconditional. He chose to die because the wages of sin is death and we deserved to die but as a sacrificial lamb He died in our stead.

The only death that needs to die for unconditional love is a dying to self and selfish ways and not dying of self nor taking the life of another, that is not love it is waste.

The story Asedora, you described is horribly tragic and there was another way for her to express her love which would simply be to fall to her knees and seek God's grace, will and mercy for her life as well as pray for the man she loved. Her love was NOT unconditional because when she did not believe she could be with him, her love ended when she selfishly took her life and only God knows what the future holds.

Imagine if so there is a litdg had she taken her life when MJ married Lisa marie or Debbie Rowe, where would he be?

If the man someone loves is with another woman then love for that man would cause them not to hate or to harm self or others. As Lashi said jealousy is normal. As the bible says be angry but don't sin.

If love is in someones heart for another and they are with someone else then it is their job and duty to carry on ith their life to the best of their abilities being the best person they can be because for all they know they may need to grow into being the person that man or woman needs or God has the perfect person just around the corner for them.

Lashi, don't stop making your posts.

Mysterious Phoenix, where are you? I would love to hear more of your insigts.

Sdiedjs, loved that video!
All others great posts, thanks for being so open, honest and unashamed to post your thoughts!

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Those of you thinking of moving on will know when the time is right to do just that. I know that I did. This has become a place for me to visit and share my thoughts occasionally, but the truth is life changes, we let go and we move forward. The beauty about this thread is that we are continuously reminded that the one thing that last forever is love. It's timeless. I hope that in the end MJ had truly found his LITD. :)

"Just like the butterfly, I too will awaken in my own time."

Best of luck to everyone. Do and live what's in your heart. :)
 
I am a bit of a nerd when it comes to knowledge and research with many genre (s) of interest...

For some this post may be a bit perplexing, and for others a bit of an enlightenment...

What is a Twin Flame?

Twin flames, also called twin souls,are literally the other half of our soul. We each have only one twin, and generally after being split the two went their separate ways, incarnating over and over to gather human experience before coming back together. Ideally, this happens in both of their last lifetimes on the planet so they can ascend together. So you probably haven't had many lifetimes with your twin.

Each twin is a complete soul, not half a soul. It is their task to become more whole, balancing their female and male sides, and ideally become enlightened, before reuniting with their twin. This reunion is of two complete and whole beings. All other relationships through all our lives could be said to be "practice" for the twin, the ultimate relationship.

What is a Soulmate?

Soulmates are our soul family, the ones we do have many lifetimes and experiences with, who help us grow and evolve, create and dissipate karma. According to ancient wisdom, when the soul is "born" or descended from Source, it is created in a group. The souls in this group are our soulmates, ones who are very like us in frequency makeup. Then each of these souls is split into two, creating the twins.

A soulmate is someone you are close to at a soul level, and with whom you have had many shared experiences in different lifetimes, in various kinds of relationships -- siblings, parent-child, best friend, as well as romantic relationships. There is a deep love for each other, and a spiritual bond that sets them apart from the superficiality of most other people in your life. Conversations are generally deep, about personal growth and service to make the world a better place. We can have many soulmates in our lives, and they come to us to help us grow spiritually.

Twin Flame reunions are the most fulfilling relationships we can enter into as humans, on all levels. However, twin flame couples have been extremely rare on the planet, and for good reasons.

When twins get together, it is for some kind of spiritual service work. This is their primary reason for finding each other, because through their union a huge birthing of creative energy is released, to be used for their mission together to help the planet and humanity make a big shift forward in consciousness.

Your chance of meeting and staying with your twin depends on how evolved your soul is, and how much of your baggage from this and past lives you have cleared. The biggest reason twins have to separate after coming together is their individual emotional baggage. Because in the presence of your twin, there can be nothing between you, nothing blocking your closeness. This means that everything comes up for healing that you haven't previously healed. Everything!

When twins reunite, both of them experience an acceleration of their spiritual growth and awakening. They get on the fast track of learning about esoteric wisdom and experiencing other states of consciousness. They usually haven't been together all that often during their series of lives on the planet, and so their backgrounds may be different. Yet, there is a closeness and similarities of spirit that are almost uncanny, noticed in many ways, such as looking back at yourself when you look at your mate, and a remembering of the distant past when you first split up. Guidance is strong with these relationships, and usually one or both have a good channel for communication with Spirit. Their connection is telepathic, and hugging each other is like coming home for nourishment.

Source:Soul Evolution.org

As Always

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For me there is unconditional love possibility for humans on daily basis is a mother love to a child. It is like God's love to us. Historical example is Jesus Christ. I already have been talking about it in my previous post.

This is what I meant. Between man and woman I said the closest we can get to unconditional love is soul mate love. This is what this thread was about right? :)

Ahhh, I think I got you now. Boy, that took me long :lol: Thanks for your patience. Somehow your talking about someone having to die for it being unconditional love throw me completely off track first.

I tend to agree with Favoritune though. Of course I don't mean that in the way of taking sides, I love to hear everyone's point of view. It's great that humankind is so far today that we can agree to disagree :)

I am sorry but I have to say again in my opinion the taking of ANY life is selfishness! This story portrays a jealous enraged lady who is about to take the life of the woman who was with the man she wanted to have but instead chooses to commit suicide. She did not give up her life she took it! Her thoughts were murder or self murder and both or wrong in the scenario depicted.

To compare such an action to Jesus' dting on the cross to stand in our stead is totally wrong because He allowed people to kill him, He did not commit suicide.

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To me that story line seems like a childish adult who can't have their own way throwing a fit. Enraged she wants to kill the woman who has what she wants then realizing the great remorse she would feel for breaking the heart of the man she loved so she instead chooses to take her own life rather than find the strength to carry on and trust that life had love for her.

I think unconditional love for someone else always involves unconditional love for yourself first (as much as imperfect humans are capable of course, as we discussed before). Otherwise I would rather call it dependency. If you don't want to live your life without someone you do not love them unconditionally, rather you put pressure on them - "Be with me or I will kill myself". And just because that person may not be with you or love you doesn't mean you don't mean a lot to them in other ways, or that there isn't someone else who you will fall in love with at a later point and can happily be with. I think the story is more about a hurt ego than unconditional love.

Thanks for all the definitions, Sdeidjs.

I would hate to see anyone leaving this thread because I appreciate everyone's posts so much, but if you feel in your heart that you have to move on I wish you all the best. I just hope it won't be too soon for anyone in here and we can still enjoy what you all have to say :) :heart:
 
Lashi, the reason why I started posting here is because I loved reading your posts and this is why I decided to share my own thoughts.:huggy:
Also MP posts inspired me to think deeper into something I did not do before. We are learning together about love. Shearing opinions is wonderful thing to do.:)
But, really do what God tells you to do :heart: I can understand it.
Thank you, Asedora and I appreciate how understanding you are being, and others here, too! And yes, MP's posts rock!

and Lashi, I just wanted to say that if you've ever seen the movie What About Bob? !
Never seen it! I'll check it out. :)

Hi guys,

Asedora, even the ending is tragic! A souless extended non life of watering flowers with tears???

I am sorry but I have to say again in my opinion the taking of ANY life is selfishness! This story portrays a jealous enraged lady who is about to take the life of the woman who was with the man she wanted to have but instead chooses to commit suicide. She did not give up her life she took it! Her thoughts were murder or self murder and both or wrong in the scenario depicted.

To compare such an action to Jesus' dting on the cross to stand in our stead is totally wrong because He allowed people to kill him, He did not commit suicide.

I am kind of yelling with a bleeding heart right now because I am frustrated and sad all at once listening to this story and thinking some of MJ's fans can relate to that.

Again I ask, if there is someone who is meant to be with Michael and this lady saw him with Lisa Presley after they were married and took her own life, where would that leave Michael after he and Lisa divorced? Answer the same question concerning Debbie Rowe?

Only God knows what the future holds in it's entirety, no one should give up on life or hate another to the point of murder.

If this mermaid in the story line was in love with Michael and his bride that she saw him with was Lisa Mary Presley if the mermaid committed suicide where would Michael be if she were the one for him?

To me that story line seems like a childish adult who can't have their own way throwing a fit. Enraged she wants to kill the woman who has what she wants then realizing the great remorse she would feel for breaking the heart of the man she loved so she instead chooses to take her own life rather than find the strength to carry on and trust that life had love for her.

I am sorry if you can feel my frustration from the words I am writing and though I feel like I am yelling I am not yelling at you, just the thought of such a desperate depression makes me livid and sad for any who might feel that way.

I have read many of your posts which I think are so eloquent, intelligent and outright beautiful so please do not take my ranting as an attack against you in any way, rather it is my compassion towards your views that I exert.

Lashi?

You were joking? That wasn't funny!

I hope God doesn't want you to leave anytime soon and I may put in some selfish prayers concerning that:)

I don't mind you posting opposing views to what I wrote. We may not agree or I may see things from a different viewpoint, we're all still growing.

I think that you would say something along the lines of Jesus died because of unconditional love for humanity but had humanity not sinned there would be no need for His unconditional love to be shown in such an extreme complete extent. That is all I was saying. I know it is His love that compelled Him to allow Himself to die but again it is our sins that made there be a need for Him to die.

This is too deep and sad. Am I chasing people away? Maybe I should be the one to stop posting?

How many more posts do I need for my messages to show up before the day is gone?

Who knows where to find that interview of Michael's vocal coach? Is that on this site?



Man! You're fiesty! :D (btw, congrats on your 20 posts and becoming a full-fledged member now!)

Okay, obviously The Little Mermaid is a fictional fairytale. And when fables and such want to give us moral teachings they use extremes.

When I am talking about fans that feel jealousy over MJ having been with some other chick than them, I am not talking about a jealous fan who is also unstable. It's never going to be "okay" to stand over your female rival with a knife in your hand with the intention of harming her. That goes without saying.

I'm not sure if I read the actually story of The Little Mermaid or if I am remembering an animated Japanese version I saw years ago based on it. But to memory, the situation the mermaid created for herself, because she wanted something outside of her world, gave her few options at the end. She gave up her tail and "oneness" with the sea, which represents who she was created to be, and therefore her identity and destiny. God was not sought out by her...God was not included in this story...instead she went to a Sea Witch.
The bargain with the Sea Witch was she had to get the prince to fall in love with her and marry her by a certain time or she would die. That's being pretty much locked into something.

Even if she had elimated the prince's new wife, it was too late to save herself now.

The beauty of the ending of the story I remember, which differs from what Asedora has shared, is she goes to the edge of the ship and is called out to once again be "one" with the sea. Instead of death, she becomes seafoam and for eternity is where she has always belonged. The impression I get is that as a mermaid she would never have died, but would remain immortal as long as she stayed in the sea where she belonged. It is a bitter-sweet story, but you can see like many myths and fables, it has some lessons to teach.

When I use something for an illustration, I am always only speaking of the isolated reference to the story, or the film, whatever, that I am taking the example from. I never meant to imply that you could slot the jealous fan, MJ, and the LITD girl smack into the characters of The Little Mermaid and follow the story straight through and you'd have a match.

I was using the part I shared of the story to illustrate that one can feel jealousy while still loving someone very much, but maybe first they have to have something occur to make them realize they do. In this case, it took the Little mermaid seeing how happy and how much in love he was with his new bride. In her jealousy, she was only able to think of herself (as we do) and couldn't get past it long enough to really see that he was so very happy. Once it got through to her, the jealousy in her heart lifted and she made the right choice. Choice to commit suicide? No. Her time was out regardless due to the bargain she made with the sea witch. But she chose to leave that world and return to the sea where she belonged with her heart in the right place. That is freeing.
 
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The beauty of the ending of the story I remember, which differs from what Asedora has shared, is she goes to the edge of the ship and is called out to once again be "one" with the sea. Instead of death, she becomes seafoam and for eternity is where she has always belonged. The impression I get is that as a mermaid she would never have died, but would remain immortal as long as she stayed in the sea where she belonged. It is a bitter-sweet story, but you can see like many myths and fables, it has some lessons to teach.

When I use something for an illustration, I am always only speaking of the isolated reference to the story, or the film, whatever, that I am taking the example from. I never meant to imply that you could slot the jealous fan, MJ, and the LITD girl smack into the characters of The Little Mermaid and follow the story straight through and you'd have a match.

I was using the part I shared of the story to illustrate that one can feel jealousy while still loving someone very much, but maybe first they have to have something occur to make them realize they do. In this case, it took the Little mermaid seeing how happy and how much in love he was with his new bride. In her jealousy, she was only able to think of herself (as we do) and couldn't get past it long enough to really see that he was so very happy. Once it got through to her, the jealousy in her heart lifted and she made the right choice. Choice to commit suicide? No. Her time was out regardless due to the bargain she made with the sea witch. But she chose to leave that world and return to the sea where she belonged with her heart in the right place. That is freeing.

Now this is a completely different ending from the one Asedora shared and I can see what you mean. This ending is about accepting and letting go whereas I am still of the opinion that the other ending is about dependency.
 
This is too deep and sad. Am I chasing people away? Maybe I should be the one to stop posting?
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No..... Do not do it. I hope you keep up the good jog here. :yes: Will always exist different opinions and it's always very interesting to read them. Everyone here has some thoughts very interesting. I hope to keep seeing your posts and others too... :cheeky:



Who knows where to find that interview of Michael's vocal coach? Is that on this site?
Here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94235
 
The times they sure are a'changin' - and fast! It can be scary, but, like an acticle I read just today about the saints in the old testament, when God told them to "Go!" they just went! They didn't even know where they were going, they just walked by faith! They are my heroes! I want to be like that!

I feel God is placing many of us on some kind of journey. I think we should all pray for each other since sometimes journeys (and transitions) can be pretty rough.

I hope it is in God's will for me to be here just a little longer since this thread and everyone in it has meant so much to me. But, if it doesn't fit into His plan for my life, I will accept it and move forward. There is sadness in my heart, but I am giving myself permission to be excited as well!

I hope we will all enjoy the journeys God has chosen to set us on and I hope we will all meet up again just around the bend.:angel:

The right words at the right time!
It fits perfectly for what I'm living, but it is only God. I just want more and more trust in HIS purpose.

Thanks for the words, MP. I prayed in Jesus' name, it seems that the answer came through you ... :)

And reminds me of the lines of ¨The Fish That Was Thirsty¨ and also the verses of a song Brazil (one of my favorites):

¨i was told, but/I came here/For to ask of Pilgrimage and Prayer/Peace in tempest/ I do not know how to pray/ Just wanted to show/ My look ¨

This discussion is really fascinating. It has the power of love
 
Lily;2996758 The beauty about this thread is that we are continuously reminded that the one thing that last forever is love. It's timeless. [/QUOTE said:
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You are totally right
 
Guys, I am not going to answer to everybody's post cos I am kinda busy today working on my MJ project.

IIt even nicer if you get married MJ fan. :lol: It is rare but I heard stories like that.


Ohh an mj project cool :wild: wish u good luck with that, hope it goes well.



I :pray: that i will one day find a man who is also a mj fan....but i dont think my wish will be granted. But im so happy for u asedora that u found someone to share mjs music with :D
 
Ohh an mj project cool :wild: wish u good luck with that, hope it goes well.



I :pray: that i will one day find a man who is also a mj fan....but i dont think my wish will be granted. But im so happy for u asedora that u found someone to share mjs music with :D

I will pray for you too :pray: You have to believe it and you will find him. Trust me. As for me I did not marry MJ fan, I am too old for that . Maybe next life? :lol:
 
Asedora, are you married? Can you tell us about the project you are working on?

Thank you for the 20 post congratulations Lashi, let's see if it works.

Why is everyone thinking they are going to be leaving?

8701 Thank you!!! Thanks to all the others including Allover Again (Nice name by the way) for the posts.
 
I will pray for you too :pray: You have to believe it and you will find him. Trust me. As for me I did not marry MJ fan, I am too old for that . Maybe next life? :lol:



LOL..whoops :blush: sorry i got it wrong....must have been someone else that did.
 
Asedora, are you married? Can you tell us about the project you are working on?

Thank you for the 20 post congratulations Lashi, let's see if it works.

Why is everyone thinking they are going to be leaving?

8701 Thank you!!! Thanks to all the others including Allover Again (Nice name by the way) for the posts.


As long as there is unconditional/everlasting L.O.V.E in the air...

As promised; I WILL Forever Be Here, There, and Everywhere~~~




For the Eyes of Truth and Justice Are Always Watching~~~

As Always

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That's been my favorite song lately. Thank you for posting that Sdeidjs!

Asedora, are you saying MJ fans are too young for you or that you are too old to get married?

Well, just to keep a discussion going, I think Mysterious Phoenix was going to write about curses. I think Michael being so full of light was a magnet for evil forces to try to take him down. I think many people perhaps without even realizing it spoke curses over his life and if there is a litdg then if she is spiritually attuned she would have had to battle a lot of this in the spirit. I don't know if Michael would have been able to pray through so much evil alone. I am also sure many of Michael's fans aided him by lifting their prayers on his behalf.

Do you guys think Michael was afraid of hurting his fans so instead he sacrificed himself and his litdg? Maybe he thought the fans felt he should be with them or no one at all? Maybe the closer he got to this litdg the more it scared him because the more likely it seemed he would cause others hurt.

In don't walk away he says he "just can't find the right words to say," he tries but all his "pain gets in the way" What pain? Fear of being hurt or fear of hurting? Both or something entirely different? What do you think he means?

Thinking on that question now, maybe it's that he lost her before and he wanted to speak but had so much hurt from losing her that he couldn't get the words out... Maybe in this song song he is expressing a love so great that everyday they were apart his pain grew.

But what if at some point they were faced withthe thought of possibly causing others pain, what would they have done? Hurt eachother knowing it would kill them both or risk the possibility of causing others pain, if there is a litdg?

I read Asedoras story about the mermaid and think of Michael's fans and it seems to me if he was seeing things that way he would die inside not wanting to hurt others.

I think of You Are Not Alone and there is a very strong message there. I think he knew his marriage with Lisa Marie would not last and he wanted people to know without knowing.

I'd really like to know what your takes are on the other songs Don't Walk Away and Fall Again.

What should MJ and his litdg have done if she existed? Died with a broken heart for fear of breaking others?
 
Favoritetune, that was a great post; really, really good.

Being there for Michael...being there for anyone...what's it mean?

There are some friends that were a part of my life in my past that will never, ever part from my heart. There are just some people that we come across that we just know we will always want the best for their life; and our heart will always be filled with warmth when we think about them. I already feel that way about MP; I will always want the Lord's best for her in her life and will always think of her with fondness...even after she is long gone from this place. Those warm feelings for her won't go away.

Now some of these friends of mine I have not seen or spoken with for over twenty years...but they have not left my heart. Just the other day I was thinking of them and thanking the Lord that He had brought them in my life for a season of time. If I saw them today, something tells me we would pick up where we left off and still care very much. I believe this is because there are some in our lives that God creates a godly soul-tie with; like He did with Jonathan and David in the Bible. They both knew that there friendship tie would be there forever.

Do you have to be right there in someone's life to still keep them in your heart? And if they always remain in your heart, in a way, are you still being there for them? Isn't that the message MJ ws trying to get across in YANA and a couple other songs...even though he wasn't in his LITD girl's life (or his fans) he was still there. How? Throught a spiritual connection?

If I had a godly soul-tie friendship formed with MJ and he got all pouty because I decided to not be visible to him anymore online due to God calling me to other things, then, oh boy...I'd have to hand that one over to God and say...get him lined up, God, with this...help him be understanding and less selfish. (not that I think he was the type that would have been).

One could argue that "seeing" her (his LITD girl) around in some capacity was important to him based on us hearing him sing pointedly, "Keeping her around, keeping her around" during the TII rehearsals. But still, that could just mean his being able to "pick her up" as being around through their spiritual connection. And if for some reason MJ had to be out of sight because it was God telling him to do so, should his LITD girl be pouty because it's too hard for her not being able to see him in some way or know what is going on? I should hope not! It should be far more important to her that her man is obeying God no matter what the cost to their relationship, and she should trust both MJ and God and wait in faith. (I am remembering that speech where MJ talked about others saying things like: "Where is he?...or...There he is again!" so he did at times disappear from view for awhile)

If God is behind their love for each other, it will remain steadfast and they will BE there for each other (even if not seen as being around) as they wait on God to work all things into good for them. And they should still be able to "feel" each other, but even if that for some reason abates, they need to stand on their love anyway...just like with God at times, sometimes He will feel more distant to us at times than others...yet, this should not change our faith or knowing His love for us, even...if we can't feel it. But "feeling it" seems to have been crucial to MJ as far as feeling the love from his fans and his LITD girl (iif she exists).

When you initially brought up the songs, Favoritetune, Don't Walk Away, and Fall Again, and asked the question how can he stop losing her? ...and, what was he wanting her to do? I was thinking that he was emphasizing to "her" the importance to him that he always continues to feel her through that spiritual connection. He won't feel he is "losing her" if he knows she is still having her thoughts pointed towards him. Because of his unique situation of his celebrity and his sensitivity to things and his feelings of loneliness...staying connected has a strong importance to him, I think...like a lifeline. It seems the most valuable thing to him, is that he knows she cares, even if he can't see her or be with her.

He made it a point to say to her in the adlibs of TGIM 2008, that "you know, you know I really care." That is the same thing he wanted from her...to always know and FEEL that she really cares, and by his saying that she knows he really cares in that adlib, then he must have hoped she was able to "feel it" even when he couldn't show her in the ways a man can, when in an actual personal relationship with someone. MJ's life was unique, and he needed her to be willing to get onboard with a unique way for them to relate. Theirs seems to be destined to not be like an everyday love relationship. And what was important to him was something so much deeper than even the physical display (although always nice...not of as much value to him than the strong "divine" connection). That is why he sang, 'It doesn't matter to me how you kiss, touch, love, or hold me." In other words, he viewed what they had, a divine love connection, of greater, and deeper value.

We do know, if we consider this repeated lyric in several of his songs through the years, that he yearned for some physical connectiveness with her. But it wasn't about sex (not that he wouldn't have enjoyed that!) it was just to be able to finally touch her, since he loved her from a far...like gently tough her hand or to softly stroke her face. It reminds me of Wall-E and how much he hungered to just hold Eve's hand. That's all Wall-E wanted...to be able to touch her in that sweet and pure way.

It makes me wonder if MJ finally had a chance (I shouldn' have to say this , but what I am setting up is just for example sake, not that this should ever be possible. Privacy first!) to touch her after longing to for years, and we his fans who have heard his lyrics and picked up on his longing...could sit there in a theater and see up on the screen, just as it was happening for him and her for the first time...there...he is lovingly taking her hand and is feeling all the sensations accompanying it...wouldn't we, wouldn't we all just feel compelled to yell out and hoot and applaud in joy for him, since he waited soooooooo long just to do that with her. We were awfully happy for Wall-E; how much more if it was our beloved Michael. Yes? He's taken us through it all with him through his songs and lyrics. It's like he's saying "You're in on it with me, because you've been paying attention." AllForMJ was paying attention, wasn't she? And so we have this thread.


Hmmm. The pain they would cause, Favoritetune, if they had gotten together and it hurt fans and others? And how they should view it or feel and do about it? I'll save that for another long post, if you don't mind. :)
 
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Sdeidjs, thank you for posting this. This is a question of terminology. Maybe I did not use a proper one. Sorry if somebody got confused. So, in Michael's case most his fans are his soulmates. Simply speking ppl from the same group, family of souls.
LITD girl is his Twin Flame.



I am married and I have a son 5 y.o. MJ has different fans. Some of them are 14 y.o and some are around his age. And yes I am too old to get married again. I hope it helps.:)


Your very welcome~~~

As Always

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