Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[8701girl]

You made me laugh lol English is not my first language, but I try lol

Awww :hug:

Hey at least u try thats the main thing! :yes:

 

[Lily]

I'm still waiting on the actual TII song lyrics to be discovered somewhere because I feel like my interpretation is way off for some reason. I wondered why they weren't included in the cd booklet :ermm: That's one of the things I like reading in cd's are the lyrics. :mello: oh well someday we'll find out the truth and maybe discover the actual meaning.....maybe. :fortuneteller: LOL

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No MJ dreams for me lately. I guess I just don't have that same connection with MJ as others do.....:girl_sigh:

A few things though in one of summers dreams I find interesting.

I just bought myself another dream book at Barnes and Noble, "The Hidden Meaning of Dreams" this one shares both Psychological and Mystical Meanings, something my other dream book didn't have. I'll share a few things that instantly stood out to me because I know the particular meanings having dreamt them before. Everyones interpretations may vary, and these are from this particular book, so here goes.....

The color Green: The color of nature brings new life and hope. Its negative association is with jealousy.

Mystical Meaning: Psychics see colors in the aura, the energy field that surrounds living things. The dream meaning of colors may relate to the spiritual values traditionally associated with each color. Green = Recovery.

Trees: Trees are the symbols of the soul and the life principle. The type and condition of the tree tell of your spiritual condition at that moment.

Mystical Meaning: A tree can also be a symbol of time. The root represents the past; the trunk, the present; and the branches, the future.

Floating: This means that you have accepted the feminine side of your psyche and are carried forward by it. Floating implies acceptance; you have to let go of your problems, worries, and restrictions and can now enjoy just being yourself. Go with the flow.

Mystical Meaning: To dream of floating means tremendous success will come your way, but if you struggle to stay afloat there will be delays.

Lake: A lake may represent the unconscious mind. Water often makes a symbolic statement about your emotional state. If the lake is clear and still, it may represent your reserves of inner peace and spiritual energy. However, if the lake is disturbed in any way, you may have emotional trouble.

Mystical Meaning: In Japanese Zen Buddhism the lake is a symbol of the mind. If its surface is moving you cannot see the moon's reflection. However, if the lake is allowed to be still, the moon appears. So too the mind must become still if it is to perceive enlightenment.

Children: Carl Jung claimed that the dream symbol of a child is a metaphor for the forgotten things in childhood. The symbol of the child also represents possibilities. It paves the ways for future changes in the personality. In addition, the child may represent the part of you that needs reassurance and security.

Mystical Meaning: A recurrent theme in mythology is the "divine child." This mystical figure is often a hero or a savior. For example, the childhero Hercules strangled two threatening snakes, and baby Jesus became Christ who saves humanity from damnation. The divine child is the symbol of the true self, both vulnerable and possessed of great transforming power. In your dream it may represent your divine self growing to its full spiritual potential.

 

[summer]

I'm still waiting on the actual TII song lyrics to be discovered somewhere because I feel like my interpretation is way off for some reason. I wondered why they weren't included in the cd booklet :ermm: That's one of the things I like reading in cd's are the lyrics. :mello: oh well someday we'll find out the truth and maybe discover the actual meaning.....maybe. :fortuneteller: LOL

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No MJ dreams for me lately. I guess I just don't have that same connection with MJ as others do.....:girl_sigh:

A few things though in one of summers dreams I find interesting.

I just bought myself another dream book at Barnes and Noble, "The Hidden Meaning of Dreams" this one shares both Psychological and Mystical Meanings, something my other dream book didn't have. I'll share a few things that instantly stood out to me because I know the particular meanings having dreamt them before. Everyones interpretations may vary, and these are from this particular book, so here goes.....

The color Green: The color of nature brings new life and hope. Its negative association is with jealousy.

Mystical Meaning: Psychics see colors in the aura, the energy field that surrounds living things. The dream meaning of colors may relate to the spiritual values traditionally associated with each color. Green = Recovery.

Trees: Trees are the symbols of the soul and the life principle. The type and condition of the tree tell of your spiritual condition at that moment.

Mystical Meaning: A tree can also be a symbol of time. The root represents the past; the trunk, the present; and the branches, the future.

Floating: This means that you have accepted the feminine side of your psyche and are carried forward by it. Floating implies acceptance; you have to let go of your problems, worries, and restrictions and can now enjoy just being yourself. Go with the flow.

Mystical Meaning: To dream of floating means tremendous success will come your way, but if you struggle to stay afloat there will be delays.

Lake: A lake may represent the unconscious mind. Water often makes a symbolic statement about your emotional state. If the lake is clear and still, it may represent your reserves of inner peace and spiritual energy. However, if the lake is disturbed in any way, you may have emotional trouble.

Mystical Meaning: In Japanese Zen Buddhism the lake is a symbol of the mind. If its surface is moving you cannot see the moon's reflection. However, if the lake is allowed to be still, the moon appears. So too the mind must become still if it is to perceive enlightenment.

Wow, interesting. :bugeyed Thanks! The lake was still by the way...and I was trying to look for a photo that would come closest to what the tree looked liked...and I realized it looked like a huge Bonsai tree. Almost like this one:

Except the branches were longer and had a bit more leaves and the roots were very visible and thick and strong. Sort of like in the picture, but longer and wider.

 

[Asedora]

I'm still waiting on the actual TII song lyrics to be discovered somewhere because I feel like my interpretation is way off for some reason. I wondered why they weren't included in the cd booklet :ermm: That's one of the things I like reading in cd's are the lyrics. :mello: oh well someday we'll find out the truth and maybe discover the actual meaning.....maybe. :fortuneteller: LOL

I do not have a CD yet cuz I do not want to pay Sony. I do not think that all lyrics are accurate on booklets when you buy CD’s. It could be accurate only if they find a hand written original of this song. Or an artist has to approve it? I do not know how these things are being done.

 

[Lily]

Wow, interesting. :bugeyed Thanks! The lake was still by the way...and I was trying to look for a photo that would come closest to what the tree looked liked...and I realized it looked like a huge Bonsai tree. Almost like this one:

Except the branches were longer and had a bit more leaves and the roots were very visible and thick and strong. Sort of like in the picture, but longer and wider.

You're welcome. Bonsai trees are so fascinating, each with their own very different character, I love looking at them.

I went back and read your dreams and added a meaning for children because they seemed significant in both.

What I enjoy about interpreting my dream symbols is I gather all the meanings a replay the dream in my mind and usually I can make sense of the experience. It's very interesting to me.

 

[SoS]

Oh, you are listening to Human Nature on Thriller and the new release This Is It CD? You mean the TII CD could have adlibs on it that could reveal some more clues for this thread? I didn't purchase that CD. It didn't dawn on me, I guess, that there might be some fresh things he does on the songs. Maybe I should get it.

I just thought I'd pull up Human Nature from Thriller on youtube just to listen since it had been a while and it did end up revealing that background - something about all this talk about HN in TII got me interested to check it out - I'd never tried to decipher that song because it has so many layers that blend so beautifully... but these adlibs everyone's talking about from TII I really didn't notice. I'll have to go see it again to hear what Summer and Cleo are hearing... I don't know if that part is on youtube.

It's not easy to switch from hearing "run away" to "gonna make." And I agree, "run away" never completely set right with me because, true, it doesn't make the most sense there, it doesn't. But it DOES rhyme so wonderfully with "say" from the previous line. But we have already discussed in past posts that exact rhyming isn't everything...:cheeky:

So I put out major effort to hear "gonna make" and I ...think?...I did , but it might be more a case of "power of suggestion." Now the next line I really wanted to hear "make her feel" or hear ANYTHING there, because that line has always bugged me...it's been so muddy for me and impossible to come close to hearing anything there. But I think it could be saying that.

Now the last line, "Every time I'm in love they don't feelit" I really do hear that now, I think that's it. And it makes sense. Well, just consider LMP alone and her not wanting to be a "piece of furniture" or a lyric of hers in one of her songs, "I'm not the one you want to be starving."

It is probably never going to be easy for one to be loved by a creative genious, and one who often dwells in a place of consciousness, subconsciousness, which is God, because if their mind is occupied with creative thoughts and/or on a different plane somewhere, they probably won't be too attentive at those times. Haha. That is the way God made MJ, it's the way he's wired, I would think. But I also don't think he is not truly loving any woman in his life because he is like that. But maybe it would make it trickier for him to convince her at times. Hence that line in the song, maybe?

Or, well, I always remember years ago when I would talk to God about marrying someday and how I would love to marry someone who had a ministry of some sort, where they would be otherly and there for others. I remember telling God, "even if he's expected home but calls and says he's not coming home because you, God, have set up a "divine appointment" with him and some person, I promise I'll be okay with it and share him. I just want him to always be on the watch for what You are doing God! I want him to bless and help people for You!" This is true; I really did pray this.

Now didn't I sound noble? I wonder if I would have been so good at that afterall? But I didn't end up marrying someone who was like that, so I was never tested in that area.

But LMP had to share MJ at times, didn't she?... with other adults, and often, or a lot of times, with other children, and with his music and creativity and career...and, it probably was hard for her.

How sweet, if you are hearing correctly, SoS, that he wants it known, through that song, that this time he really wants "her" to feel his love and believe it.


By the way, do most people hear that one line as saying,

"And you said you really know me, suit yourself"?

The whole tone of the song is so loving and, like you suggest, apologetic, and also sensitive and caring and honest; it just seems out of place for him to say "suit yourself." Doesn't that come off sort of flippant there?

Well, firstly, just little caveat about deliberately quote me lol, and that is, my first typings about this song were from a first listen. In listening more I hear more, and few people seem to agree with me, so, don't go by me lol jmho as with everything else although I fail to say that too often I fear... that said - at first I heard "suit yourself" and after all this time I have accepted the majority take on it and just leave it at, 'too yourself' simply because it makes sense, although it still actually does sound more like 'suit' to me when I listen carefully, and if he is indeed saying, "suit yourself", I don't feel its as flip as it is frank. Nothing wrong with frankness - I feel it becomes MJ to be a little more-so, as he appeared to me, at the '02 press conference k? ... lol ... and its great to me. Some fans don't even believe it was really him because he seems so different. I say its just another of MJ's multi-facets and look how many times he's redefined himself. He's redefined his persona many times. He was frank if nothing else in that press conference, "this is it, I mean, this is really it". It doesn't get much franker than that. He seemed to find it a little uncomfortable to have to break it down but he did it and without apology, almost as if to say, "I love y'all with absolutely all that I am and I want you all to believe it because its true - buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut ..."

To me in the '02 press conference, he seems deliberate, focused and clear and maybe even redefining himself again - to a world that mistakenly took him as a pushover lest the lie become the truth, so no, whereas "flippantness" implies imho more of a carelessness and the lyrics have a great deal of care in them, "please dear" and he's basically begging her to "understand" - so clearly he cares just as he said in that beautiful voice in TGIM '08.

One thing that also gets to me about this song is how caring he is that these things, whatever they "meant" to him, are getting said. Haaay that's how it sounds! Maybe that's a more accurate way of seeing it (thanks queen_g) its a song that sounds to me as though he is getting a few things "said" because they needed to be "said", frankness again ... I don't believe this song was any kind of accident as they are putting out there because there's too much specificity in it,

and I don't believe MJ could be this specific and deliberate sounding if he didn't want "someone" to know a few things, even without caring what the world would have to say about it - even fans - I mean just as a matter of him having recorded the song period, and for Sony to have access to it period, vs. it being holed up in his private collection somewhere,

so all that to say,

I get a feeling from this song that its entire intention was to be frank, and honest, not "polite" because sometimes "politeness" can get in the way of truth, and frankness means not to mence words,

and it seems that, as in so many past songs he also wanted to make it necessary for "her" to have to reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally lisssssssten in order to understand exactly what the heck he's saying :lol:

but oh well, I guess its just me :agree: sorry, I digressed
back to the original question ... who else hears, suit yourself? I don't want my rattlings to get in the way of others seeing and addressing your question ... but all that said, I guess you can count me as 1.

 

[Asedora]

You guys are doing great! I do not hear "suit yourself" I deff hear a letter T not S.
But who knows right? lol

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

^ exactly ... or something like that anyway. It seems that if he is saying 'suit yourself' it also seems to me to match the thought in the line which sounds to me like, "but you said you're gonna leave it for yourself" - which could mean something like, if you're not going to do the necessary thing/s to find out the truth ...? or something like that ... hay I'm only guessing of course ... just how it sounds to me thus far.

About 'gonna make' - this is one example of how fruitless it just may be for us to even be doing this :lol: I heard that word first ... :scratch: there are about as many opinions as there are ear drums ... sound vibrations ... interpreted by different folks ..

You guys are doing great! I do not hear "suit yourself" I deff hear a letter T not S.
But who knows right? lol

Well, that's the thing I was trying to say. I accepted it says "too yourself", because it has that slight 't' sound but almost more like 'ts' as in the word, 'tsu' and a definite 'ch' sound at the end of that word....something like that. This is so hard to explain in text! :lol:

If he is saying 'too' there's still a 'ch' sound at the end of that word, or a 't' sound, just before the word, 'your', which in MJ/slightly Southern dialect, sounds like, "tsuitch yaself"

:doh: please tell me its making sense to ya! :lol:

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

^ mmmmm 'using' her ? :brow: ... you mean, as in .... ab"use" ?

hmmmm interesting ...

... or if "she" is torturing "herself" over lyrics like this maybe its all on "her".



I bet you're now gonna say, "go 'head - blame the victim" or something silly like that but of course I really know you too myself LOL!!

That meaning that he can see she is spending too much time online being addicted, but somehow she has communicated to him that she has the faith that eventually (God's timing) she and him will be together and she will live it for herslf and not have to rely on connecting with him or seeing things about him online...

This works for those of you who hear it as, "addicted with your eye" LOL

hilarious

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

Perhaps at this point it might be wise for you to give yet another close listen to One More Chance and see if he didn't ACTUALLy say there,

"tell her it's on her!"

instead of

"tell her it's on me"

Think about it. It's possible. Give it another listen.




hmmmph.

ahahahaha you're a haughty hoot whether you aspire to be or not hilarous. Okay queen_g, whatever you say :lol: its all in the ears of the "behearlder" anyway.

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

Exactly, Gazelle.

(I mean, STATEofSHOCK)

ok I'll let u have this since I've picked on 'addicted' :lol: ok, I owed u! and yes I do actually still hear gazelle ... or rather, Gazelle :swoon:

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

^ Okay *sigh* well, I thought I'd explained (the part after the bolded part) but I'll try to be more clear. Maybe he means "leave it for yourself" as in, you're "letting it be", as in, "when you're right you have it figured correctly and its ok with you, when you're wrong you have it figured incorrectly and that seems ok with you too", as in "can never really know MJ or anyone unless MJ or someone steps up and says and since that hasn't happened you're just leaving it for yourself" ... does this help?

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

^ hahahe no laughing ... ok, well you were asking me so, that's my take on what 'leave it for yourself' could mean besides, I clearly hear certain sounds more than certain words ... eg., I hear, "but you say that you have got it" ... that's what I hear.

The next syllable makes sense to be figured because I hear that hard 'g' sound, which together could sound like addicted ... and I clearly hear leave and not live ... long e not short i sound..

.. :scratch: so are you asking me to listen carefully for 'addicted' again and that maybe if I keep an open mind, I'll hear it? Is this basically what you're getting at?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0hGTn9zIk

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

Now, considering this is all documented, I see no need to repeat myself. Maybe you ought to repeat reading it :cheeky:

Oh well, don't mean to keep you up. Nice deciphering with you Sleep tight.

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[SoS]

You are making me look through the thread where you have somewhere previously posted your guess on that line when I am this tired when you have the powers within yourself to simply type it out for me?

Looking at your post a few up I can almost piece together the line:

"but you say that you have got it figured...."

Yet, is there not one word missing at the end of that?

Or would it be asking too much for you to supply that for me?

:yawn: ~ :yawn: ~ :yawn: ~ :yawn: ~

Night Night, SoS.

I'll comment some more on these two lines tomorrow.

Pleeeeeez forgive me, I have no context anymore :lol:

^ I'm getting at nothing, for I am starting to feel reeeeeaallly sleepy. :yawn:

But tell me again what you hear as the full preceding line?

I'm sorry, preceeding line to what ... truth is, I'm a bit distracted from this all right now ...

"but you say that you have got it figured...."

Yet, is there not one word missing at the end of that?

I'm sorry, you really lost me here.

 

[SoS]

Sort of off topic but has any of you had any MJ dreams lately? He's been in my dreams every single night lately and when ever I wake up I'm like "I can NOT forget what happened and what he said, etc." and then I either go back to sleep or get up and then forget half of it anyways....and it's frustrating because he is talking so much in my dreams and I can't remember what he said.

A couple of nights ago I was somewhere with other fans and other people waiting for MJ to arrive to some event, and then after a while these black vans with tinted windows drove down this hill into the area where we all were waiting and I can remember I was filming with my cell phone and I kept saying "Is this really happening?? Is that really him?? Or am I watching this on film??" :scratch: I can remember I felt TOTALLY confused in my dream about if it was really happening live or if I was watching a film. :scratch: I can remember putting down my cell phone and seeing it's filming the ground and that it's live and I was like "This is happening now?? MJ is really here? He isn't dead??" :wild: And then MJ came out and he was wearing the same outfit as in the London press conference, except the black shirt/jacket was open and he had a white t-shirt underneath. So then he got on this very big, old looking, green tree...that was floating above a lake (what the...? :scratch: :lol and he started his speech. And I can't remember a word he said during his speech. :boohoo: I can just remember it was something significant...something important...but I can't remember at ALL what it was about. I can only remember that I was at some orphanage or a home for handicapped kids before that...and everyone there was totally excited about "MJ coming to town"...and they had like a list of who is going to see MJ and who will be getting tickets, and they were getting the kids ready to go see MJ....that's all I remember from that dream.

Then last night (or the night before) I was reading this thread with MJ. Yes, believe it or not! :hysterical: :hysterical: That's pretty much all I can remember of the MJ part in that dream. I was laughing when I woke up! :lol: Again, I can NOT remember what MJ was saying...I can just remember that we were both standing in front of a big screen, scrolling through this thread and he was commenting on something and talked a lot. I just wish I could remember what he said in the dream. Then the dream changed again and I was all of the sudden in some poor, violent country walking with this maybe 7 year old girl from school to her home and I was told that a lot of the children die before they get home because of the war or shootings and all that kind of stuff and I was there to get her home safely...and then after that I was in some hospital..standing in the hall way in front of a room in which someone had just died...and the weird thing was...I was standing there with the person who had just died in that room :scratch:...And for some reason I felt really angry and upset about that person having died...You know, like I was blaming someone for their death...but then I remember that there was some child who was about 11-12 years old there too...and even though I was angry...I realized that thre really wasn't anything anyone could have done...so I remember I was like "But I don't blame you, okay! I'm not angry at you! I'm upset...but I don't blame you...it was not your fault. Okay!". And I was talking to the one who had died and the child. No idea what that was about. :scratch: Oh and there was something about some black pickup truck. I can only remember that. And it had something to do with MJ and it was somehow significant in my dream. I can't remember why, but I just remember the black pickup truck. :scratch:

My dreams are always so weird and random...hard to make any sense from them! :lol: And like I said...I WISH I could remember what MJ says in my dreams! He always talks a lot, and I can't remember one word! :boohoo:

So...anyone else had any dreams?

:cheers: That was great. Nice read before bed. Sweet.

 

[8701girl]

Just have 2 say TII song is the most hardest song i have ever tried 2 learn & understand! :lol:

 

[Justus]

Just have 2 say TII song is the most hardest song i have ever tried 2 learn & understand! :lol:

I don't understand why it's so difficult. It's all laid out there. I can't really tell anymore about it though, cause there's nothing more to tell.

 

[Lily]

One thing that also gets to me about this song is how caring he is that these things, whatever they "meant" to him, are getting said. Haaay that's how it sounds! Maybe that's a more accurate way of seeing it (thanks queen_g) its a song that sounds to me as though he is getting a few things "said" because they needed to be "said", frankness again ... I don't believe this song was any kind of accident as they are putting out there because there's too much specificity in it,

and I don't believe MJ could be this specific and deliberate sounding if he didn't want "someone" to know a few things, even without caring what the world would have to say about it - even fans - I mean just as a matter of him having recorded the song period, and for Sony to have access to it period, vs. it being holed up in his private collection somewhere,

I agree with the frankness sound in the song. He's saying "look woman, THIS IS IT!" :lol:

This highlighted part I wonder about. :ermm: Don't know that we can believe anything nowadays in the press but it was reported many songs went missing, it's interesting how this particular song was "found in a box." :huh:

meaning she has somehow communicated to him that she feels she was a part of those years that feel to him like a thousand...in otherwords, she was around for a chunk of his life in his past.

:2cents:

Realistically speaking or Imaginatively/Spiritually speaking? I'm curious what other people think. :blink:

That meaning that he can see she is spending too much time online being addicted, but somehow she has communicated to him that she has the faith that eventually (God's timing) she and him will be together and she will live it for herself and not have to rely on connecting with him or seeing things about him online.

Once again ----> :2cents:

:worried: Now that's thinking outside the box queen g.

You've Got Mail :cheeky: opcorn: LOL

Just have 2 say TII song is the most hardest song i have ever tried 2 learn & understand! :lol:

I'm finding it hard to understand only because I don't think I'm hearing the lyrics correctly and reading other peoples interpretation of it makes me think other things than what I originally thought it meant. :worried: dang it! :lol:

 

[Lisha]

opcorn:

 

[summer]

Exactly, Gazelle.

(I mean, STATEofSHOCK)

:lol: :lol:

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Just have 2 say TII song is the most hardest song i have ever tried 2 learn & understand! :lol:

I think we are having so much trouble because we are not listening to a finished song, but rather a demo (at last what comes to MJ's vocals). I'm pretty sure of it. Like if you listen to the WBSS demo...part of the lyrics are the way we know them...part of them make no sense...so I think MJ was just kind of improvising and singing whatever came to his mind that moment to get the feel of the song, to get the melody down and to come up with the lyrics. So I think that's the case with TII too. And then after MJ died, they found the demo...and maybe added the orchestra or something to it, or maybe the music already was there....could be. Or could be MJ made the song that way, but then wasn't happy with it and put it in his vault. I mean, remember how different the Dangerous demo sounds, and the lyrics are a bit different too from the album version. And the lyrics to In The Closet are different on the demo. So I think that's why it 's hard to understand all of the song completely...because it most likely wasn't finished lyrics wise? :scratch:

Oh and had to include this:

:bugeyed
:stretcher :stretcher :stretcher

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Asedora]

""

but you said you were part of it yourself"

:

This one sounds right to me. I hear:"But you said you were part of this yourself" which doesn't change anything, really.. .