Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

[Lisha]

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[Lily]

Thanks queen g. :flowers:

"Thriller" appears the bride and groom dead... anyone remember that?

I want to see what will be said here about the couple dead. h34r: :smilerolleyes:

This could very well have other meanings, but my interpretation without seeing the movie just by what you've said is.....

Marriage.....Til death do us part.....eternal love.....love is forever.....:heart:

or
Day of the Dead, which has alot of meanings.....love is dead :mello:.....marriage is like a nightmare, and something evil is lurking in the dark :zombie: h34r: lol

Wow got me.....:girl_sigh: :lol:

 

[Lisha]

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[Ashtanga]

Thanks queen g. :flowers:




This could very well have other meanings, but my interpretation without seeing the movie just by what you've said is.....

Marriage.....Til death do us part.....eternal love.....love is forever.....:heart:

or
Day of the Dead, which is celebrated in the 9th month.....love is dead :mello:.....marriage is like a nightmare, and something evil is lurking in the dark :zombie: h34r: lol

Wow got me.....:girl_sigh: :lol:

"She"... :doh: Ok... :cheeky:

This is very easy. :doh: :wild: h34r: lol!

We're talking about Michael Jackson and not think it's just that... You know, all messages are complicated. He meant much more than that and the answer undoubtedly is something quite far from what everyone thinks. :swoon:

This is MJ... :cheeky:

Don't underestimate others. Really. I'm sure more have seen all those things you have and maybe more. Perhaps they just have chosen to not let that be known in this thread.

I'm just going by experience. Whenever I think I know more than anyone else...I am always proven wrong. Always.

:scratch:

Ok...

and sorry...

 

[Asedora]

I love him performing this song live. The quality of this video is really good. He is also so emotional.... Poor baby...Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYntZo2-0HU&feature=player_embedded

 

[Lily]

"She"... :doh: Ok... :cheeky:

This is very easy. :doh: :wild: h34r: lol!

We're talking about Michael Jackson and not think it's just that... You know, all messages are complicated. He meant much more than that and the answer undoubtedly is something quite far from what everyone thinks. :swoon:

This is MJ... :cheeky:

I think people make things more complicated than they should be sometimes. Some things are very much straight forward they just tend to be over-analyzed, possibly to try and find some meaning that truly isn't there. I dunno. If MJ meant much more and you think you know the answer, then why not share your thoughts? This thread has always been open to all kinds of interpretations.



Goodnight ladies I feel like blahhhhh with this cold and need my bed :dropdead: Take care. :flowers:

 

[Lisha]

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[Ashtanga]

If MJ meant much more and you think you know the answer, then why not share your thoughts? This thread has always been open to all kinds of interpretations.

I did not say that I know and not what I think! lol! -_-

I just wanted to say that all messages from Michael are not easy to decipher. It goes far beyond what is easy and it's always very complicated. :yes: And in this case, I have nothing to say that everyone knows what I think about "she" and obvious that the discussion about the couple dead will be directed to "she". So I do not know and have nothing to say about it.

Sorry is a beautiful word. :hug:

Yes...

This is one of the reasons I have avoided posting here. I always see things in a completely different side of everyone. lol! :wild: h34r:

Well, that was one of the things I learned from Michael. See beyond what you're seeing...

 

[cleopatra1975]

ladies i watched the movie the second time last night... and i heard "why does she do me that way" twice. did anyone noticed it..huggs

 

[SoS]

^ I did notice that. It's a switch from usually he's says, 'does he do me that way' but,

I've also noticed from listening to the original HN from Thriller, he refers to a 'she' also except not in the same spot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnhg7uP9wp4

In the background at 1:44 it sounds like he's aying, (in that beautiful voice! and he says it very fast .. ), "she's really very fine givin' her, A rose" or something like that, and at 3:07 it sounds like he says, "she's really very fine give it here, hay ya Girl" or something like that - so I imagine he could have said 'she' again because of his original 'take' on the song ..

I do not hear the other 'she' mentioned queen_g and AllforMJ ... not yet anyway lol ... doesn't mean I won't.

Ash ya know, it just seems such a pity you won't share your little 'finds' with us. It doesn't have to be all about luuuuuuv ... its all about MJ "hidden messages" so it seems to me it will pass!

 

[8701girl]

:mello:.....marriage is like a nightmare, and something evil is lurking in the dark :zombie: h34r: lol

Well im definately put off from marriage now! :lol:

 

[mysterygirl7]

Ash ya know, it just seems such a pity you won't share your little 'finds' with us. It doesn't have to be all about luuuuuuv ... its all about MJ "hidden messages" so it seems to me it will pass!

I agree please share.. if it has anything to do with hidden messages, it fits well into this thread..

 

[SoS]

Well im definately put off from marriage now! :lol:

^ :lol:

Also, it dawned on me what the song, This Is It sounds like to me. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, and maybe I did sort of say this - it sounds almost like an apology of sorts. I wonder if anyone else hears it that way. I had been saying, explanation, but maybe that's it, maybe its an apology of some kind hm? :innocent:

constant repeats of, 'please dear, understand', and the background saying, try 'staaaaaand

And one lyric interpretation I wasn't comfortable with was 'I'm the light of the world run away'. That doesn't make sense to me and by itself it sounds to me like a candidate for the "M-HL" list, lol sorry! yet I do hear what could easily sound like 'run away' but not quite, so, (to me anyway), so after listening more carefully, it sounds to me like,

I'm the light of your world gonna make,
Make her feel,
This is real,
Every time I'm in love they don't feelit

See if you can hear that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI0hGTn9zIk

oh well,

just wanted to say that :flowers:.

 

[Lily]

A great example is this:

I think (or almost) nobody paid attention to it... It's so easy... just think a little in the history of France... h34r: :smilerolleyes:

As Michael is an very intelligent man! That's why I love him more and more, he still manages to amaze me!

Since the shows were going to be about higher consciousness I would have to say that this picture does remind me of the French Revolution and if you look at what was happening at that time that led up to the revolution there are many similarities to the present and the state of the world today. History does tend to repeat itself, in both good and unfortunately bad ways.

ladies i watched the movie the second time last night... and i heard "why does she do me that way" twice. did anyone noticed it..huggs

I did actually watch the TII Human Nature version on YouTube and heard this same thing. He does say "she" in several places it didn't seem to be before.

Well im definately put off from marriage now! :lol:

:lol:

 

[Ashtanga]

Ash ya know, it just seems such a pity you won't share your little 'finds' with us. It doesn't have to be all about luuuuuuv ... its all about MJ "hidden messages" so it seems to me it will pass!

I agree please share.. if it has anything to do with hidden messages, it fits well into this thread..

h34r:


Well, what I saw has nothing to do with love / she (I do not believe in her existence, well... everyone knows that :wild. In my previous posts I just did a brief comment about it that many things not related to it (love/she) were filled in the movie. Many people failed to grasp these things. I know it (and I'm sure) that I saw and heard a few people comment. Michael is a very intelligent man and he really was and plunged deep into their messages in this movie. For this fact, it's making me read about subjects that never interested me. (Thanks Michael! :wub Lol! What I saw has no connection with what is discussed here. And really like the movie says: "This is a great adventure..."

 

[SoS]

Ash that wasn't even remotely helpful! :lol:

Yes, we know what you believe about "her" (but just look at all the popcorn you get to have eh? LOL!!) BUT you still could be more specific

 

[Ashtanga]

Since the shows were going to be about higher consciousness I would have to say that this picture does remind me of the French Revolution and if you look at what was happening at that time that led up to the revolution there are many similarities to the present and the state of the world today. History does tend to repeat itself, in both good and unfortunately bad ways.

You're almost there... :clapping:

In the background is the "Arc de Triomphe", in this case in ruins and obvious that by this simple detail is also of great significance. You can understand why the "Arc de Triomphe" is there, you need to read about "Napoleon Bonaparte" and capture the essence what Michael is trying to say and show.




The soldiers also multiplied is another great detail that Michael definitely was inspired by a movie called "V For Vendetta" (watch the cover of the dvd movie) that is based on a comic. Michael always been in love with comics and on Halloween of last year Prince was wearing the mask of the character (I will not post the picture here that is against the forum rules).




There are still thousands of hidden things. This was one of the things I saw the movie and still has a lot more. You see how much hidden messages is difficult to be captured in the act? Not simply look and see what's there... You have to understand why it is there and this time the brain will have a very hard job to try to understand what Michael is trying to show us. Research is necessary, read a lot, understand and make the connection of all these things with the art of Michael at all why he is showing us something. Remember that Michael Jackson is with him and things are not easy to see and understand. And as you can see has nothing to do with the topic of this discussion. So, I posted, but as everyone was curious, I decided to kill the curiosity of everyone here.

Ash that wasn't even remotely helpful! :lol:

Yes, we know what you believe about "her" (but just look at all the popcorn you get to have eh? LOL!!) BUT you still could be more specific

ha! ha! ha! :lol:

SOS, read my post for Lily. Everything was one of the many things that I captured this movie and I understand why they are there. So I'll still watch the movie for the fourth time :wild: that there are many things I saw and still can not make the connection, though I have read and researched a lot. :yes: Because of Michael, my brain never stops working! lol! :doh: It's just why I love so much this man! (Thanks Michael!) :wub:

 

[Lisha]

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[Asedora]

Ashtanga, I respect your point of view but I think Michael didn’t plan do make this movie because he didn’t plan to die. Everything you see on background of TII is computer generated picture which was created AFTER MJ died. I believe Michael didn’t plan to put Triumph Arc on fire as a background of this movie. AEG which I do not trust created this picture and I really do not like how it is done, looking at the picture you posted. Triumph Arc on fire has a negative meaning to me. We have the same Triumph Arc in Moscow after Russia won a bloody war against Napoleon but it is not on fire thanks God.
Triupmh Arc is a symbol of a Great Victory but if it is on fire it is not good imo.

 

[Ashtanga]

SoS, Ash has been clear enough, I believe, in many of her posts, and she says she is trying to be careful. All the clues she is seeing is supporting to her that MJ is still alive. These discoveries are probably causing her and some others to want to burst out of their seams. I wish those also in this thread that are going through what she is could find a site and threads where everyone is talking about all the clues they are seeing in This Is It that show to them he is still living.

Do you think it is appropriate for them to share these types of clues here in this thread in light of MJJC's standing on this subject?

I think some of these girls in here are dying to...but are trying not to...but can't help bringing it up because it means so much to them and is so fun for them to be seeing these clues they feel they are seeing.

Is that right, Ash, Lully, tha, and maybe some others I'm missing?

(I have to admit Ash, you are pretty good at finding associations. This

"The soldiers also multiplied is another great detail that Michael definitely was inspired by a movie called "V For Vendetta" (watch the cover of the dvd movie) that is based on a comic"

was impressive).

Well, sorry to inform you, but you are totally wrong about what you said about me. You should not and can not judge me (much less the other girls) that you never talked with me privately, so you do not know what I'm thinking. Or you know what I think and can guess my thoughts? It is very cruel to make snap judgments about someone and I know you know it. I really feel sorry you have had that attitude with me... But that's okay if so... I am very sad about it and you. But do not worry I forgive you for this great failure. Forgiveness is a great virtue.

But now I really see that after that, I really should not stay more in this discussion.

Ashtanga, I respect your point of view but I think Michael didn’t plan do make this movie because he didn’t plan to die. Everything you see on background of TII is computer generated picture which was created AFTER MJ died. I believe Michael didn’t plan to put Triumph Arc on fire as a background of this movie. AEG which I do not trust created this picture and really do not like how it is done looking at the picture you posted. Triumph Arc on fire has a negative meaning to me. We have the same Triumph Arc in Moscow after Russia won a bloody war against Napoleon but it is not on fire thanks God.
Triupmh Arc is a symbol of great Victory but if it is on fire it is not good imo.

Asedora, the filming of the bottom of the video was made on June 4. The movie shows the camera that is filming the dancers and you can see the date on the screen. Well, if you want to talk to me about this, please send me a PM. I realized that my thoughts that I posted here already caused minor problems and I do not want to cause any more trouble here. I do not want to disrupt this discussion, let alone shift the focus. Therefore, I feel that I must not stay here more.http://translate.google.com/translate_s?hl=pt-BR&source=translation_link

 

[Lisha]

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[Asedora]

Ash, to agree and disagree it is OK. I respect your opinion as I said, but I have a diff one. It happend to be that I am kinda well educated in symbols so I usually say what I see at this picture you posted. I didn't watch the movie but if I will watch it I will pay attention to symbols AEG put there as a background. I am not sure that Triupmh Arc on fire was MJ idea, you know. I am very suspicious about it. If you want to talk about it you be free to PM me as well. And please do not leave this thread. I do not see any problems with ppl having diff points of view. I love your posts and we are all are very good ppl here. Let's continue talking about lyrics. I love it much better then symbols subject LOL

 

[Lisha]

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[Ashtanga]

No, no. no. I'm not having an attitude about you by saying this, I am instead hoping to explain your perspective. It was the only one I could conclude by the way you would continuingly say "I'm staying quiet" and other things in your posts.

If my assumption is incorrect, then please forgive me for having seen that wrong.

I can truly think of no other reason why you cannot share your observations with us, as many are having some confusion also as to why you can't share, and this seemed plausible to me and very understandable. That is why it was not a judgment.

Perhaps I am judging you for continuingly bringing up things in your posts like you know something we all do not but then are acting coy and don't share. It is like playing with us. I will say I am sorry for judging you about that, but it doesn't seem fair for one to do that in this thread or any thread.

So you have my apology for judging you about that. I am weak. I fully confess it!

You know, Ash, I could have chosen to stay quiet. But if one has a respect for others they will for that person's sake, speak truth to them. I could have decided, "Hey, I could care less about ashtanga, let her go on as she's doing. What's it to me? I'll just ignore her." That would have kept harmony in the thread perhaps.

But instead, I took this opportunity to be frank with you. Maybe I've ruffled your feathers, maybe I am the reason you would like to leave this thread and never return, but maybe one day you'll think back to this and re-evaluate it, and experience some growth through it. Growth in character is a beautiful thing, worth more than gold.

Dislike me, if you like. But grow!

queen g...

Well, I just came here to thank you for your posts. What did you say only confirms what I was thinking a long, long, long time. Your posts answered all my questions. I always felt that I was never welcome here and many other things. I still hope that God will help me understand what was that I did and said so serious here. After that, I have more to say and what to do here in this discussion. I am very sad and disappointed by this.

Sorry, the others here for this little problem in this discussion, but now everything is resolved.



*Asedora, as soon as possible I will send you a PM, because I am a little busy right now. But I promise not to take to write.

 

[Asedora]

Ash, poor baby.. I do not know how old you are but pls do not be so sensitive. Just please try to understand somebody's else's point. Please calm down, relax, drink some warm tee with honey LOL, watch TV a bit, think again about TII from diff pint of view and continue here. To help you to understand my point, please watch History Video. You will see Triumph Arc there as well but you'll see a lot sun and smiles there. Now compare it with TII video. See the difference? Now relax and forget what I said LOL
We are all the same here with diff things in our minds and diff feelings.
LOVE and hugs.

 

[summer]

First people keep asking Ash to share, and then they judge her if she does. I think that's a bit funny. :scratch: Why can't everyone share what they think. We all don't always agree, but I think that shouldn't be a reason for anyone to tell someone else to "go elsewhere". Just my opinion.

What comes to the TDCAU scene...I think it was done while MJ was alive and MJ was involved in the creation. After all he came to the set on the day it was filmed. It's all in the TII footage. Isn't MJ even performing in front of that footage in the rehearsals? :scratch:

Anyways...I saw This Is It again and I noticed a couple of things that were not "clues"...but just observations. His orange jeans had a little hole in them on the left knee. And he wore some kind of "pearl" bracelet at times too in rehearsals. I first thought it's some expensive diamond bracelet, but when I saw it closer it looked like tiny pearls, tied in the back like a friendship bracelet. Also...what caught me off guard and made me almost laugh out loud at MYSELF....was watching the footage in an IMAX theater...and all of the sudden realizing how MJ's behind was pretty much right in front of my face and I was like "Whoa! What a difference an IMAX makes! It's like 'right there'!" :bugeyed :lol: :lol: And I was embarrassed that I had actually caught myself checking out his butt! :doh: :lol: :lol: But like I said, it was "right there"...right in front of me...because the screen was huge...so when he turned around and lifted his jacket and shirt...it was hard to miss. :lol: Oh and these three kids were sitting right next to me with their parents and I spent half of the time watching their reactions and giggling at it because it was so cute! :lol: They were maybe between 5 and 8 years and they were leaning forward, watching MJ's every move closely. When I saw them, I just cracked up every time because it made me so happy for Michael and so happy to see how kids are blown away by all the stuff MJ does, and it was so awesome to see other's reaction to the movie. So anyways, the kids had pop corn with them, but they forgot to eat it because they were watching in complete amazement with their mouths wide open! :lol: So cute! And during Thriller they were all hiding behind their jackets...peeking behind their jackets because they were scared, I guess, but still didn't wanna miss a thing! :lol: SO CUTE! Like I said, I spent half of the movie by watching their reactions and I kept putting my hand to my face to hide the giggles because they and their reactions were so funny but so cute! All I could think was "I wish Michael could see...he'd be SO HAPPY!!" :wub:

 

[Lily]

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[Lisha]

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[summer]

Are the jeans red or orange? They look red on the footage I've seen or maybe it's just the lighting. :blink: I say forget about the gold pants I like the red better. He's sexy. :cheeky:

I think they look orange. Bright orange. I'm not that fond of the color...but they look GOOD on him! :stretcher His legs look really toned and really great in them! I mean, he looked REALLY SKINNY in some footage...and don't get me wrong...he looks very very skinny in the orange jeans too...but it doesn't look "scary skinny"...and I don't know if it's just the angles or the clothing, because I don't know what footage was shot when...but it does seem like he would have gained a LITTLE weight, or a little muscle or I don't know what, because he looks way skinnier in some of the footage, but then in other footage, especially the ones shot with a better quality cameras, he looks GREAT! I loved the black tight pants with the sparkly stripes on the sides he was wearing too. He looked AMAZING in them!!

Thank you for sharing this! I loved reading that. They couldn't even eat their popcorn? That REALLY says something. Very, very cute!

They were munching away before the movie started...but as soon as MJ was on the screen, their mouths dropped and stayed wide open until the end. :lol: You know like when someone is about to put food into their mouth but then sees something that amazes them or surprises them and makes them stop and look and the hand stays in front of the mouth with the food while the mouth is wide open....that's what they were like. :lol: They had popcorn in their hand, about to put it to their mouth..but they "forgot" to put it in the mouth because they were too busy watching MJ and too amazed by him. SO CUTE! I just had to keep giggling at them because it was so funny and cute! :lol: They were like LEANING forward, watching every single move closely. CUTE! :wub:

 

[Lily]

Thanks summer. :flowers: I haven't seen the movie but in the clip on YouTube of him singing the full version of Human Nature OMG with those pants and the shiny jacket. :swoon: :wub: