Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Very nice post Victoria83, especially these words. :)

I've been thinking alot recently about many things and this happens to be one of them. There's a question that stays in my mind and I think about it often.....

Do people only choose to EXIST, instead of LIVING?...I wonder.

You know 2 nights ago when I experienced the negative and ignorant perception certain people seem to have towards others that are like and/or unlike them in whatever way(s) I had to find a way to move past being truly bothered by it. So I'm going to share a very brief story that happened to me again last night. I saw the homeless guy and his dog again on my way home from work and this time I stopped and had a conversation with him. He was stranded and just wanted to get back "home", I asked him what is it going to take to get you and your dog there? He said he almost had enough money and I said what is enough? I just need $32 more dollars and then I'm done. So I said here's $40 please please just get off the street and get you and your dog "home". The tears in his eyes and smile on his face was priceless to me I thought he was going to jump out of his skin from happiness :cry:. He hugged and kissed his dog and thanked me over and over and I said just take care of you and your dog, he said oh I will he's all the family I have. That broke my heart :cry: but we had something in common, I said your dog looks exactly like mine :D so we had a little conversation about our dogs :D then I said you better get going, so he grab his belongings and said come on buddy we're going "home". The smile on his face the entire time was the best gift I could have received on a very emotionally difficult day for me yesterday. He thanked me again and waved goodbye to me as he walked across the street. Of course everyone stared and looked at me sideways again but I didn't care this time. I drove away smiling and crying happy tears, then I got home and listened to "Stranger in Moscow" and cried some more.....

Just think about it.....What if that was you? Put yourself in anothers shoes for just one moment, the impact on YOUR life can be far greater than you can imagine. It wasn't about the money to me, it was extending a hand out to someone who just needed a little help, it was about LIVING and the very special gift that I gave to myself.....food for my soul.....


"Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens."

~ Carl Jung~

:)

Great post, Lily! :yes: Gave you reps for it. :) Similar thing happened to me too when I was in Toronto a few years ago. Had an "encounter" with a homeless person twice. One positive, one a bit negative. The positive one was with a younger person during one winter day. It was SO COLD outside. I had my winter clothes on and was still freezing my butt off, it was so cold. I was stopped by this person who politely explained to me that he needs to get to a shelter, but that it's not in the center and he has no money to get there and that he needed 5 dollars, so any change I could give would help. I gave him the whole five dollars because it was not much money and even the thought of anyone having to spend even a minute longer than necessary in the cold made ME shiver. So I wanted him to get into a warm building as soon as possible. Another time I was stopped by another homeless person in front of the Eaton Centre. He wasn't that polite and he was like "I need money! I'm hungry!". So I offered to pay for a meal and he was like "I don't like hot dogs! I don't like this...I don't like that!"....so I thought "Okay, forget it. If he can afford to be THAT picky....?". So I didn't give him anything. I mean, I had times as a student when I was pretty much starving, when I had absolutely no money myself. NONE. There were times I was searching through my coat pockets for any change I could find to be able to buy SOMETHING...ANYTHING. I would have welcomed ANY kind of food back then....and usually all I ate was spaghetti...with no sauce. Just the spaghetti cooked in water. That was often all I could afford. And I couldn't afford to be picky! (Well, I could have just called my parents and ask them to send me money, but I was too proud. I never told them I was practically starving. If they asked if I had enough money for food, I'd lie and say yes. My dad would sometimes somehow sense it and would send me extra money, because he knew I'd never ask for it myself). Anyways, maybe it was "rude" from me to walk away from that homeless person, but to me, if you are really hungry, you can't afford to be THAT picky. I mean, even I wasn't and I wasn't even a homeless person. I ate what I could buy. And often all I could afford was just the spaghetti, like I said. So, I know what it's like to be hungry and have no money, even though I never was "poor" and homeless. But it was because I was a student and didn't have much money and was too proud to ask my parents for money and wanted to manage on my own. And I also liked it because it was a very humbling experience. It's good to know what it's like to go to a grocery store completely hungry with less than a dollar in your pocket, or not being able to buy nice clothes, etc. because you don't have money. You learn to appreciate things so much more when you finally do have money. And you can understand better what it's like for those who don't have much money. You realize how fortunate you are that you can walk into a store and pack the cart full of groceries and not think about how much it all will cost, just as an example.

Anyways, I liked what you said in the part I bolded. That's actually how I've always thought. Since I was little. I've always been EXTREMELY sensitive and I cry easily and if I see someone hurting or suffering, it hurts me. My mom told me that when I was around 4-5 years old, I was watching Bambi in the living room and then all of the sudden I just disappeared and my mom was like "Where did she go?". So she looked for me, and found me in my bed crying my eyes out and she was like "What's the matter??? What happened??!!". And she told me I told her between sobs: "Bambi's mother died!!!!! They shot Bambi's mother!!". :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: And that was too much for me because it made me SO SAD for Bambi that he no longer had a mother. And when I was around 7-8 years old and heard about Hitler and the holocost and everything it made me so sad for the jewish people. There was this show on TV about a family during the holocost and it was on TV in the evening and my parents let me stay up past my bedtime to watch it, and I remember I kept asking my mom if she and dad would have also helped the jewish people during that time. I remember I was like "Mom, we would have helped them and let them hide in our home too, right? Right mom??!!!". I just don't like seeing people hurting and I've never liked mean or rude people really. To me it#s not necessary to be mean or rude to others. I realize one can't like everyone. People are so different and not everyone can like the same things and that's fine too. There will always be some people one won't like or get along with. But I think one can still be RESPECTFUL to all people. You don't have to like or be friends with everyone, but you can still treat them with respect. I always have believed in treating people the way I'd wish them to treat me. And I think that if someone is mean to you and you are mean back....you achieve nothing but more trouble. Besides, if someone is mean to you and you are mean back....then that makes you just as bad of a person as that other one. At least in my opinion. If you do exactly what they do, then how can you critisize them if you are acting exactly as they are? If you lower yourself to their level then you are just as bad as they are. That's why I just try to ignore it if someone is mean. I won't let anyone take an advantage of me or treat me badly, of course not, and you don't have to either...there are other ways to handle it. I usually either ignore it or try to respectfully tell them my opinion, without calling names or "getting personal". But I usually do try to think why someone is like that as well. A lot of people are mean and rude and "tough", because they know no other way because all they have seen all their lives is people treating them and other people badly. So they haven't learned anything else. Or they are just hurting so much that they act tough to protect themselves from getting hurt. There was once this girl in my class in high school who was always a bit "rude" and "tough" and she always acted like she didn't care how people treated her. Her friends (yes..."friends"...) were calling her all kinds of names and they were all laughing at it (that girl with them) like it was somehow funny and as if the names were thought to be equal to terms of endearment. But I couldn't understand how anyone could feel good about being constantly called "pig" and "slut" and what not. I thought that MUST be hurtful, even though she acted like she didn't care. So one day we had this "diary" kind of thing during one class for a project, where each person had their own page, and everyone else could write things about that person on the page. So as expected, that girl's "friends" wrote all the insulting stuff (like I said, I guess to them it was all meant to be "funny"). So I wrote something nice on her page and something that hinted that maybe there was something under the tough outside after all. And when she wrote on my page I knew I was right about her. Because she wrote "If I'd believe in angels, I'd think summer is an angel". And coming from HER, who was supposed to be this tough "I don't care what anyone thinks, screw you all" girl...it meant SO MUCH to me. It made me feel so good inside that I was able to make her see that not everyone felt the need to be mean and rude to her and that she was alright and that I "knew" she had a heart that was hurting underneath the tough outside, and that I was able to show her that there was someone who DID care about how she feels.

So like you said, Lily, it often really are just LITTLE things that matter. Just a kind word, or a smile, or a hug, etc...it doesn't have to be GRAND things or loads of money or whatever...it begins with little things. And often the little things have even bigger impact than big things. Just like the example in the story that Susie posted showed. Sometimes little things can even save a life. So imagine if all of us would focus on doing little things every day and being a little nicer to other people....what an impact it would have when you count all the little things together?

(I love this song!! :wub:)

In Our Small Way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUp4fyzGQIc

Maybe you and I can't do great things
We may not change the world in one day
But we still can change some things today
In our small way

Empty words are not enough
Where there's hurt, we'll be a crutch
When there's thirst, we'll fill each other's cup
Because we care, we love enough to share

Maybe you and I can't do great things
We may not change the world in one day
But we still can change some things today
In our small way

In despair we'll be the hope
And the prayer that frees the soul
We'll be there to share each lonely road
Because we love, I know we care enough

Maybe you and I can't do great things
We may not change the world in one day
But we still can change some things today
In our small way

Just a little time is all it takes
What a difference just a smile can make you'll see
Love is all we need

Maybe you and I can't do great things
We may not change the world in one day
But we still can change some things today
In our small way

Anyways..."in other news"...:lol: I had a WEIRD dream with MJ in it last night. It was SO NICE...and strange and awful at the same time as well. I was in some cabin (I always seem to be in some cabin somewhere lately...what's up with that? :lol:) with MJ and we were holding hands and I was holding on tightly to MJ's arm and cuddling against him because it was so comforting and in my dream we had been holding each others hands many times when the other one needed a friend or someone to support them, and in my dream it was a sign of "comfort and being there". And MJ was about to have an interview in my dream, so I was there to hold his hand and if I remember correctly I was thanking him for having held my hand for so many times when I needed it before that. So anyways, the interviewer comes in and MJ starts talking and he talks and talks and, as always, it is just absolutely FASCINATING to listen to him and he is talking about the most BRILLIANT stuff and I am just looking at him in awe and thinking "Wow,he is SO INTELLIGENT, it is mind blowing!!". I can't remember what he was talking about though, the only thing I can remember is that he kept mentioning Eros. :scratch: :lol: And some other old, greek figure or something like that...something from ancient history. And it was not about anything to do with sex or anything like that, I think it was about art and his love and passion for art and he was just telling the most brilliant stuff. And then I remember he did talk about feelings and emotions and he was totally excited and like he was about to "bust" from happiness and he was like "You know it makes me feel like..." and I remember he was waving his hands in the air in front of him to try to find the words to describe how he felt. And then all of the sudden he turned into this spirit like in the movie Ghosts that looks like that see-through kind of "plasma" kind of thing...and that "spirit" flew right into me through my stomach (yeah..what the...? :scratch::lol: :lol:), you know sort of exactly like it flew into the Mayor in Ghosts, except it was not supposed to be any scary, mean, evil thing, but a GOOD thing... and it was somehow supposed to make me feel how he feels, like he'll show me how he feels "through me". :scratch: :lol: But then he somehow just disappeared before he was able to show me how he felt. (And somehow the interviewer was not there while MJ was telling all this stuff, or I wasn't aware of him until MJ disappeared). So after MJ was gone, I wanted to rewind the tape (because of course since it was an interview it was gonna be filmed)...to see how MJ "flew into me through my stomach" :)scratch::scratch::doh::doh::lol: :lol:) and see what happened. But instead of seeing the GORGEOUS Michael that I had been looking at with my mouth open (MJ was wearing the same kind of red shirt as in LWMJ), there was now an MJ that looked like a corpse. And that interviewer was like "He is gone..he is dead! Can't you see...his eyes are falling off...he is decaying...Look at him! He's dead!" and it shocked me to see it and see his body falling apart and I was like "You are so mean!! Go away!! Why do you do something like that??!!" to the interviewer because to me it was mean that he was showing me that. But right then he told me to look into the sky...and there was a shooting star, and I knew it was Michael. And there was a little boy in the sky who grabbed a star and started floating on the sky holding on to the star like an umbrella, and then there was another, and another...and it made me smile and I knew MJ was alright. And that's when I woke up. And when I woke up I could remember how GOOD I felt when I was holding MJ's hand, it was like the best feeling in the world, it was SO NICE and so COMFORTING...and then when I saw him as a corpse it was so awful! :( But like I said, it turned out to be a nice ending anyways, so that was good. :) No idea what that dream meant. :scratch: :lol:
 
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Hmmmmmmmm :smilerolleyes:

I guess you was not until the end of the movie. lol! :wild:

There is valuable information in the credits. A lot, but unfortunately I could not read everything. I need to see these claims carefully and with great care. :yes:

Larten connected, always on and eagle eyes... ALWAYS!! :smilerolleyes:





:hug:

Thanks for the video. I really liked it. :wub:

In fact November is important to me because of two important days in this month: my birthday (it's human nature and is not run from it. We're all gonna get old!) and the anniversary of the death of my father... exactly the same day that I do birthday... it's gone forever 7 years ago. :(

It is difficult to be 100% well that day that brings me sad memories. It is true that I will never forget what happened that day... I'm always very sad that day. :( But I always try to somehow be okay that day. :angel:

Sorry to share that and get away from the topic...

Sorry to hear about your dad. :( *hugs* My dad died in November too. :cry: Just about exactly six years ago. :cry: It was the WORST November of my life. It was like, life could not get any worse. First my dad died (and I was such a "daddy's girl"...it was so hard for me :cry:) ....and then like two weeks later the raid happened at Neverland and the whole nightmare with MJ started. It was like it couldn't have happened in a worse time. Just when I would have needed MJ's music and the "magic and happiness" the most, I couldn't listen to his songs or watch any videos because it just made me cry more because I was so worried about MJ and felt so bad for him. It really felt like my whole world was falling apart. And I had just started working in a new job and...it was just awful. It was such a hard time. But again, it really was my work that got me through it. I had to focus at work, and had to get out of bed to go to work, so I had no time to think about anything else, so it was a good thing. My mom and my sister took some time off from work to be able to grief, but I luckily couldn't, since I had just started, and I'm glad I didn't take any time off because then I would have had too much time to be alone and think and I think it would have been so much harder to get through it all then. It was good I was so busy with work that I had no time to think.
 
Sorry to hear about your dad. :( *hugs* My dad died in November too. :cry: Just about exactly six years ago. :cry: It was the WORST November of my life. It was like, life could not get any worse. First my dad died (and I was such a "daddy's girl"...it was so hard for me :cry:) ....and then like two weeks later the raid happened at Neverland and the whole nightmare with MJ started. It was like it couldn't have happened in a worse time. Just when I would have needed MJ's music and the "magic and happiness" the most, I couldn't listen to his songs or watch any videos because it just made me cry more because I was so worried about MJ and felt so bad for him. It really felt like my whole world was falling apart. And I had just started working in a new job and...it was just awful. It was such a hard time. But again, it really was my work that got me through it. I had to focus at work, and had to get out of bed to go to work, so I had no time to think about anything else, so it was a good thing. My mom and my sister took some time off from work to be able to grief, but I luckily couldn't, since I had just started, and I'm glad I didn't take any time off because then I would have had too much time to be alone and think and I think it would have been so much harder to get through it all then. It was good I was so busy with work that I had no time to think.

Sorry about your dad. :better: My father left exactly on my birthday. It's hard to forget and not remember. :(
We are not so free from this kind of thing in life. We will always have to go through bad times and sorrows in life. It is inevitable, but part of life. We are not eternal and one day we will all leave. I'm always so sad when I remember what happened to Neverland. A place so beautiful and magical. When I was 9 years old my great dream was to learn Neverland and carousel ride with Michael. lol! :wub: It was my big dream. Although Michael had lived so many bad things in life and being surrounded by bad people, it has always been a very blessed by God. Michael has always been a man so strong and optimistic in life and so I always admired him so much. When I remember 2005 I'm so sorry for all those bad things have happened to him, but at the same time I feel so proud of Michael. I looked at him and thought: "Michael in passing a great inner strength." He remained optimistic and confident to the end and emerged victorious proving his innocence. So, Michael has never been a man innocent and fragile as many people still insist. Michael has always had within it an infinite great inner strength that was given by God to him. :yes:
 
Sorry about your dad. :better: My father left exactly on my birthday. It's hard to forget and not remember. :(
We are not so free from this kind of thing in life. We will always have to go through bad times and sorrows in life. It is inevitable, but part of life. We are not eternal and one day we will all leave. I'm always so sad when I remember what happened to Neverland. A place so beautiful and magical. When I was 9 years old my great dream was to learn Neverland and carousel ride with Michael. lol! :wub: It was my big dream. Although Michael had lived so many bad things in life and being surrounded by bad people, it has always been a very blessed by God. Michael has always been a man so strong and optimistic in life and so I always admired him so much. When I remember 2005 I'm so sorry for all those bad things have happened to him, but at the same time I feel so proud of Michael. I looked at him and thought: "Michael in passing a great inner strength." He remained optimistic and confident to the end and emerged victorious proving his innocence. So, Michael has never been a man innocent and fragile as many people still insist. Michael has always had within it an infinite great inner strength that was given by God to him. :yes:

That's very true, what you said about his inner strength. It was very inspiring. It was like "LOOK at what Michael is going through...and look at how strong he is!!". It was like "You can get through all the things you keep whining about in your life because they are NOTHING compared to what Michael is going through right now!". It gave me strength to see how strong he was.

Anyways...I found the "fence" story I mentioned earlier and thought I'll post it because Susie asked for it back then. I read it years ago and loved it.

The Fence
By: Author Unknown


There was a little boy with a bad temper. His father gave him a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, to hammer a nail in the back fence. The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the fence.Then it gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence.

Finally the day came when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now pull out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper.

The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and led him to the fence.
He said, "You have done well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one. You can put a knife in a man and draw it out. It won't matter how many times you say 'I'm sorry', the wound is still there."
 
That's very true, what you said about his inner strength. It was very inspiring. It was like "LOOK at what Michael is going through...and look at how strong he is!!". It was like "You can get through all the things you keep whining about in your life because they are NOTHING compared to what Michael is going through right now!". It gave me strength to see how strong he was.

Anyways...I found the "fence" story I mentioned earlier and thought I'll post it because Susie asked for it back then. I read it years ago and loved it.

The Fence
By: Author Unknown


There was a little boy with a bad temper. His father gave him a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, to hammer a nail in the back fence. The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the fence.Then it gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence.

Finally the day came when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now pull out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper.

The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and led him to the fence.
He said, "You have done well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one. You can put a knife in a man and draw it out. It won't matter how many times you say 'I'm sorry', the wound is still there."

Michael is an incredible human being. We still have many things to learn and find out about it. :wub:

A curiosity: Who is Susie? lol! :scratch:

I loved "The Fence". :wub: Thanks for posting. This story was very true, but the end of it is very interesting and important. I also believe that when we go through bad things or when people hurt, the wound is healed but the scar will remain forever in us. I think that even if you pardon (forgiveness is just a comfort), the scar will remain forever and nothing will be as before. It makes me think of Michael because he is very disappointed with the people around him, he went through this many times.

But I know he forgave Michael (forgiveness is a great virtue and gift of God) all those who have wronged him, but I'm sure the scars of all those evils against him were forever marked in her life. Even with so many scars, Michael has always remained steadfast and confident to pursue your life (once again the incredible inner strength of Michael overcoming all the bad things). So, I feel very proud to be a fan and admire this great man. For me, Michael will always be a great example of how to be a human being guided by love of the world, life and God. :wub: :yes:
 
Wow, can't believe how much I've missed since I've been up in herrre. So many interesting posts, such a nice, warm group hug.

Summer, Ash I am truly sorry to hear about your losses. I am actually terrible at this kinda of stuff, I can't be of any comfort and solace to people. I thank the Lord I have yet to go through such a thing. I am blessed that both my folks are alive, together and help me so much. I know we tend to take people for granted and it shouldn't be that way. My mom did lose her dad when she was 19, I never got to know the granpa on her side, but I am told he was a really great man. I cannot begin to imagine what is like losing a parent, or even worse, a child.

I had some other stuff written down, but it seems trivial and out of place considering what you gals are talkin about at the moment. I might as well copy and paste it though, but please consider that it was written prior to reading what u have said:




I saw in an earlier page AllForMJ/B] had noticed the Break o' dawn sign at the beginning of the Smooth criminal performance in the movie. Really nice touch, isn't it? I'm hoping to catch the movie tomorrow for the 3rd time. Summer, you were right, the first time I did lose some awesome moves for WBSS. This time though I'm particularly lookin' forward to certain parts of Beat it and the ending of the Billie Jean performance and also some really nice slow songs. Whatta concert that would have been.


Speaking of Smooth criminal - tonight, in the space of 15 minutes I saw two versions of it – the scene from the movie and the 'fast movin' video' and it dawned on me – weren't we all entrapping Michael into our own little memories of him – the first time we saw him on TV, went to his concert or the 'era' which we enjoyed the most? I certainly found myself guilty of doing that. I really hope he didn't feel like a prisoner of people's memories, nostalgia or demands, cause there wasn't any way he could have pleased everyone, in spite of his very best of efforts.

I remember all the commotion about the return of the curls back in May. I was equally excited, cause indeed he looked in 30s, but I sit and think – did he think we wouldn't want to see him perform and we would love him any less if he didn't have them? It ain't like he was Samson, his strength wasn't in his hair.

I'm sure all of us would have enjoyed even an Oxford suit clad (*the horror, I know* lol) Mike singing outta the cook book recipes for pancakes, as long as he would have been there. I actually never got the hate that poor suit got and all the bad rap; his words there were faaar more important. Now, them high shoulders on the Balmain 'pinguin' suit are a totally different thing, as far as I'm concerned. Whenever I see them in the movie, I feel like grabbing a scissors and reaching through the big screen and cutting them mofos down. But I disgress, this ain't about Michael's fashion choices; he didn't need anyone's approval, he was his own man and that's what was so beautiful about him. Plus, the TII performances are faaaar too magical to be even slightly disrupted by them awful shoulderpads.

Going back to the 'entrapment' idea - at the end of the day, the most important Michael wasn't the little used and abused boy from back in Jackson 5 belting out Ben, nor the moonwalking showstopper at Motown 25, nor the innocent victim of abuse pleading his case from Neverland or the triumphant soldier of the HIStory trailer or the drained human being at the end of the trail, the most important of all was Michael of June 24th 2009 – the mature father of three, the man who had been through legal and personal hell and back, the artistic genius working his behind off to show his children, his fans and the world what entertainment was really about, all of it with a social and environmental twist. And that I feel needs only celebration. I can only be very, very proud of the man. Don't you all just love the world's reaction to the movie? I never had a doubt it would be anything other than a complete success. Y'all wait and see what the DVD will do, this is only the beginning.

For a long time after June 25th I used to have this tiny blue and white perpetual calendar covered so I wouldn't see what day it was. Then, for a few weeks I've actually kept it with the day June 24th, wishing things were as they were then, but I have since returned to the present. We really have no other option. We are where we are now and must each do our job to keep Michael's legacy alive. I am convinced his greatest legacy will be his children; also his good works for people all over the world and naturally his amazing art, but also each and all of us can be part of it, not only by sustaining work bearing his name, but also the causes close to his heart. Btw, incredible posts you had there Victoria, cheers.


And since this thread hasn't had some pictures in quite some time, here is something I stole from another thread, hope noone sues me for it. It actually contains my favorite part of the Threatened performance in the movie.

Enjoy and God bless. Peace and love folks, that's what the whole shabbang boils down to at the end of the day/night. :D

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Sorry about your dad. :better: My father left exactly on my birthday. It's hard to forget and not remember. :(
We are not so free from this kind of thing in life. We will always have to go through bad times and sorrows in life. It is inevitable, but part of life. We are not eternal and one day we will all leave. I'm always so sad when I remember what happened to Neverland. A place so beautiful and magical. When I was 9 years old my great dream was to learn Neverland and carousel ride with Michael. lol! :wub: It was my big dream. Although Michael had lived so many bad things in life and being surrounded by bad people, it has always been a very blessed by God. Michael has always been a man so strong and optimistic in life and so I always admired him so much. When I remember 2005 I'm so sorry for all those bad things have happened to him, but at the same time I feel so proud of Michael. I looked at him and thought: "Michael in passing a great inner strength." He remained optimistic and confident to the end and emerged victorious proving his innocence. So, Michael has never been a man innocent and fragile as many people still insist. Michael has always had within it an infinite great inner strength that was given by God to him. :yes:

So sorry bout ur dad hun :hug:
 
Wow, ash and summer! What is it about November and losing one's parents?:(

My mother passed November 19, 2007. And she was really my only parent. I didn't grow up with a father and I had no siblings. Talk about Orphansville! We were so close, more like friends and sisters than just mother and daughter. I now cringe when I get close to that date. November 18th is no picnic for me either (that's when it all started). She passed suddenly, and it was all a little traumatic for me, to say the least.

I didn't realize it at first, but I later realized that she passed around the same date of the Neverland raid back in '03 which was November 18/19. As a matter of fact, one day it occurred to me that the raid happened in November, so out of curiosity, I thought I'd check to see when the prayer thread here at MJJC was started, since the whole reason it started was 'cause of the whole '03 ordeal, and it sent shivers up my spine to see the date was November 19! Something "special" those two had in common I guess. I hadn't really finished mourning her and then *bam!* the whole MJ "surprise" this year! I thought the world might possibly be coming to an end. It was like de ja vous seeing his funeral and hearing all the "terms" that are a part of it. Their deaths were like bookends to a terrible nightmare. I thought, they are together and I'm alone! I thought, if I never see another casket, it would be too soon for me (except the ones in Moddie's dreams, those are kinda intriguing, heh, heh!). I just out and out told God that He already took my mother, sooooo ... He was not taking MJ too! So He had better come up with something quick! lol! I guess God and I just have that kinda relationship! lol!:cheeky:

Well, I knew she would like meeting him. She loved Michael. She always defended him. She was happy when he was acquitted. She was the victim of the same kind of abuse MJ was accused of and she said that even she knew he was innocent. She even told someone one day to stop talking about him 'cause she said she wouldn't mind having him as a son-in-law, lol! (a little comic relief for ya there!:D One day, if I get up enough courage, I might share a little dream that she had that pertains to that! It is hilarious! lol!).

I guess that's part of the reason this season is so difficult. And, to make matters worse, where I'm at, at this time of year, the trees are almost completely bare, the sky is always overcast, it's cold and it gets dark early. It kinda feels like you're in one of those cheap horror flicks. To make matters even worse, my relatives love to celebrate this anniversary by going to the cemetery and going out to eat afterward. I get the feeling this is all kinda fun for them.:mello: Ah relatives! You can't live with them and you can't kill 'em! lol!

Well, thanks for letting me share my sob story with you all. I hope you don't mind. It's sometimes hard for me to open up. I guess I was raised to keep things in. That isn't too good for your blood pressure! This has been therapeutic for me. Thanks so much and ... November hugs for everyone!
 
I don't mean to be so random here .. its just that I was just laying down and Something told me to get up and post the new sky sighting last night.

Last night it was as though God was saying to me, "you liked My Sky-Handy work the other night eh?? Ha! Check THIS OUT - look up!

and I looked up at the blackest sky and saw these uniformly teenie tiny, yet vividly bright, glittery PIN DOTS, speckled evenly, ALL OVER THE SKY as if someone had a handful of diamond beads the size of mustard seeds, and strew them perfectly, and evenly, upon a blue-black canvas and they landed and stuck there, as carefully placed pin dots. Like God literally had a pen and tatood the sky with it in quick, deliberate pokes, one by one. One star was not any larger or more bright than any other. ALL the same.

Perfectly uniform pin dots. :wub:

It was BREATH TAKING! Just like the night before was breath taking ... but just so different from it ... I mean God is actually versatile with His "sky painting!"

The Great Creator is so interesting! :giggle:

I hope other people saw it too.

My daughter mumbled something as I was standing there in awe, and I asked her to repeat it, I go, "huh"? And she says quite simply, "they're twinkling"

Ah! (I said) They ARE! It was as though ALL of them were winking at us!

Zillions of "little stars" twinkling :wub:
And then we both turned around and behold! ONE ENOURMOUS STAR! Brightly shining! All by itself! Amid all the teenie ones .. like the lead singer of some amazing group of voices!

I imagine it was Venus, doing her thing. She was really showing off!

I know its a a tough time of year. Please I know it sounds trite and Heaven knows I don't mean to, but please take in the entire night sky in this transitional time of year.
As someone said, it can be so healing to the soul.


I know its so easy for me to say, I do hope though that its possible for you to try to take it as endings creating beginnings like, when miraculously a birth of a beautiful daughter is the same day as a death of a very special parent.

God has so many "stories" within the "stories" of our lives. I'm learning that its so much better to live them while we still can ... while we're still here ... to the fullest ... truly enjoy, as much as we can, the wonderment of His amazing ways ...if for no other reason than to remind us that He is indeed He

(or He/She if u like - being that God is ALL, it seems appropriate enough to me)

I hope everyone feels better soon and overcomes this difficult time with a renewed sense of it all somehow. I hate to see people in pain. Love you guyz ...

This is a season of life .. death ... transformation .. and harvest ... and ironically the colors change into colors so vividly bright ... almost as if God is saying that inside of what we think is death, is really LIFE ... beautiful life that has simply taken on another, more vivid, more colorful form ... and when it dies yet another "death", just as an acorn falls to the ground, another seed is planted ... showing us that, in its own way ... life, in and of itself, for its own sake, does somehow ... continually go on..



... somehow the stars have reminded me of that..
 
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Wow, ash and summer! What is it about November and losing one's parents?:(

My mother passed November 19, 2007. And she was really my only parent. I didn't grow up with a father and I had no siblings. Talk about Orphansville! We were so close, more like friends and sisters than just mother and daughter. I now cringe when I get close to that date. November 18th is no picnic for me either (that's when it all started). She passed suddenly, and it was all a little traumatic for me, to say the least.

I didn't realize it at first, but I later realized that she passed around the same date of the Neverland raid back in '03 which was November 18/19. As a matter of fact, one day it occurred to me that the raid happened in November, so out of curiosity, I thought I'd check to see when the prayer thread here at MJJC was started, since the whole reason it started was 'cause of the whole '03 ordeal, and it sent shivers up my spine to see the date was November 19! Something "special" those two had in common I guess. I hadn't really finished mourning her and then *bam!* the whole MJ "surprise" this year! I thought the world might possibly be coming to an end. It was like de ja vous seeing his funeral and hearing all the "terms" that are a part of it. Their deaths were like bookends to a terrible nightmare. I thought, they are together and I'm alone! I thought, if I never see another casket, it would be too soon for me (except the ones in Moddie's dreams, those are kinda intriguing, heh, heh!). I just out and out told God that He already took my mother, sooooo ... He was not taking MJ too! So He had better come up with something quick! lol! I guess God and I just have that kinda relationship! lol!:cheeky:

Well, I knew she would like meeting him. She loved Michael. She always defended him. She was happy when he was acquitted. She was the victim of the same kind of abuse MJ was accused of and she said that even she knew he was innocent. She even told someone one day to stop talking about him 'cause she said she wouldn't mind having him as a son-in-law, lol! (a little comic relief for ya there!:D One day, if I get up enough courage, I might share a little dream that she had that pertains to that! It is hilarious! lol!).

I guess that's part of the reason this season is so difficult. And, to make matters worse, where I'm at, at this time of year, the trees are almost completely bare, the sky is always overcast, it's cold and it gets dark early. It kinda feels like you're in one of those cheap horror flicks. To make matters even worse, my relatives love to celebrate this anniversary by going to the cemetery and going out to eat afterward. I get the feeling this is all kinda fun for them.:mello: Ah relatives! You can't live with them and you can't kill 'em! lol!

Well, thanks for letting me share my sob story with you all. I hope you don't mind. It's sometimes hard for me to open up. I guess I was raised to keep things in. That isn't too good for your blood pressure! This has been therapeutic for me. Thanks so much and ... November hugs for everyone!


:hug: Im so sorry bout ur mums passing :(
 
Summer, MP, Ash => I'm so sorry for your loss! I know how sad is to lose someone and no matter how much I've been through it and suffered with it, I'll never be able to comfort anyone! :no: Only time to help us get used to the void that stay inside....

I hope the bad memories and sad memories don't go beyond good memories!

November and December aren't the best months for me, but the show must go on, right?! So I just put my clown mask and living the life.....no matter how difficult it is! :closedeyes:

We got it going on! Don't you think? ;)


Love u all!


Kisses!
 
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Gee ... wait until Shana hears about this!:smilerolleyes:

Is she supposed to be relevant in this "mystery"?


This is a season of life .. death ... transformation .. and harvest ... and ironically the colors change into colors so vividly bright ... almost as if God is saying that inside of what we think is death, is really LIFE ... beautiful life that has simply taken on another, more vivid, more colorful form ... and when it dies yet another "death", just as an acorn falls to the ground, another seed is planted ... showing us that, in its own way ... life, in and of itself, for its own sake, does somehow ... continually go on..



... somehow the stars have reminded me of that..


Your whole post is beautiful and it sounds like God shared with you His idea of pointillism in the portrait He painted last night. :)

I'm especially thankful for these words you posted here. :flowers: Today is one of those days for me when I needed to hear something hopeful and to be reminded that life truly does go on.....:)
 
Sos, thank you so much for describing the stars on the sky! Sounds beautiful! :)


I read about Ruska and when she mentioned how MJ had told her that he had loved that she had not asked him for any money, all I heard was "ding ding ding ding" in my head...you know, like..."looks like someone found a female to his liking that seemed to match his 'non-golddigger clause' and so someone could have started getting interested. :naughty: :lol: And now we know who to "thank" for the awful shoulder pads in the jackets he wore lately (then again...I wouldn't care WHAT he wore if we could just get him back! :boohoo:) and where MJ got his orange pants from (but at least they were tight :D :lol:). Ruska does sound (and look) like she had a crush on him...but can't really blame her. :lol: :lol: The way she was all over MJ in the pictures, I'm sure she at least would have liked to have had a relationship with MJ. And if MJ got the impression that she wasn't after his money or fame, he could have gotten interested also. So...who knows? :scratch:For MJ's sake I'd be happy if he found someone he liked and who made him happy during the last weeks/months of his life. :yes:

Gee ... wait until Shana hears about this!:smilerolleyes:

Forget Shana...wait 'til GRACE hears about it! :bugeyed :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: All of MJ's "star trek" (=Balmain) jackets will be burnt in a fire or will be in the "Give to Salvation Army" pile after that. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
 
So, we almost got an answer to the question: “Did MJ find Love in Dark?” And the winner is: Yes, he did. It was Ruska. lol
Oh wait a second, maybe it was Grace? Oh, no it is not Grace it maybe was Shana…. LOL
Shana was on TV kinda letting everybody know that she had something with Michael too. Ruska is doing almost the same just a bit different way imo. I think some more hot stories will come out soon.:)

PS. Personally, I am not really impressed of those designer jackets and pants he was wearing lately. If it was Ruska’s idea to dress him like that, then she really sucks imo.
I know one woman who used to dress her handsome husband funny way to make sure that no one else looks at him.:)
 
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So, we almost got an answer to the question: “Did MJ find Love in Dark?” And the winner is: Yes, he did. It was Ruska. lol
Or wait a second, maybe it was Grace? Oh, no it is not Grace it maybe was Shana…. LOL
Shana was on TV kinda letting everybody know that she had something with Michael too. Ruska is doing almost the same just a bit different way imo. I think some more hot stories will come out soon.:)


The problem is this: just be a picture of a woman next to Michael and this woman has become his girlfriend, lover, wife... and so on. lol! Do not forget that right now many people are showing up and taking advantage of the situation in some way (to get some fame) and therefore not credible. I can not stand people who have that kind of attitude out there talking about things in private life of Michael. -_-

Michael always fought hard to preserve and have your privacy, so in my opinion, who was part of Michael's life (no matter who it is), has an obligation to continue this privacy out of respect for Michael... then, silence and mouth closed! :ph34r: -_-





Is she supposed to be relevant in this "mystery"?

With so many women who take to it, Michael could have his own harem. lol! In any picture or story that appears on a woman in Michael's life will always be a mystery. Why do people want that Michael really had a true love in your life. And when that kind of thing happens, the hopes rise, "did he find true love?" My answer will remain the same: "No."

In fact people see what they would like to have happen with Michael: have found true love and sincere, have married again and be happy forever. But it did not happen... I still say and always will say Michael did not find someone like him to respond and correspond to everything that he needed in your life. If this had happened, EVERYTHING in his life would be very different. -_-
 
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The problem is this: just be a picture of a woman next to Michael and this woman has become his girlfriend, lover, wife... and so on. lol! Do not forget that right now many people are showing up and taking advantage of the situation in some way (to get some fame) and therefore not credible. I can not stand people who have that kind of attitude out there talking about things in private life of Michael. -_-

Michael always fought hard to preserve and have your privacy, so in my opinion, who was part of Michael's life (no matter who it is), has an obligation to continue this privacy out of respect for Michael... then, silence and mouth closed! :ph34r: -_-

Exactly. Normal person and secret girlfriend never will talk to the media selling own privacy. People make those stories to get some attention and more fame as a result. Obviously it is good for business. There is a video on YouTube where Ruska made not a nice statement about Hilary Clinton look. I think it is pretty rude.
I do not think that Michael could deal with this kind of manners. A half of this video in Serbian which I can understand too and half of it in English. The statement about Hilary Clinton is in English. Also on those pictures with MJ Ruska looks much younger and much better than on this video. It is like looking at two different people. Probably those pictures were fixed on computer for a reason before they were given to the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwk3727Cv4c
 
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Exactly. Normal person and secret girlfriend never will talk to the media selling own privacy. People make those stories to get some attention and more fame as a result. Obviously it is good for business. There is a video on YouTube where Ruska made not a nice statement about Hilary Clinton look. I think it is pretty rude.
I do not think that Michael could deal with this kind of manners. A half of this video in Serbian which I can understand too and half of it in English. The statement about Hilary Clinton is in English. Also on those pictures with MJ Ruska looks much younger and much better than on this video. It is like looking at two different people.lol Probably those pictures were fixed on computer for the reason before they were given to the media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwk3727Cv4c
Thanks for the video! :)

I agree with you. :yes:

This was not a good attitude by Ruska. The big problem is that most people do not know and can not keep his mouth closed for some reason. This type of behavior is horrible especially among celebrities.

And as the Ruska would not be happy and dazzled the pictures with Michael at his side? lol! Any human being would. Michael has always been one man and amazing artist. :wub:

I think for her work and being with Michael was great for their business. But I know that Michael never trusted 100% in people around you. He is very disappointed, so it has always been very important for him to be aware and have eagle eyes with everyone around. It is a fact, that there will arise many stories and women (unearthed in the past Michael... lol!-_-) To feed even more this mystery about whether or not to have found true love.

Well, I'm still with the same opinion: "It does not exist and never existed." :ph34r:
 
The problem is this: just be a picture of a woman next to Michael and this woman has become his girlfriend, lover, wife... and so on. lol! Do not forget that right now many people are showing up and taking advantage of the situation in some way (to get some fame) and therefore not credible. I can not stand people who have that kind of attitude out there talking about things in private life of Michael. -_-

Michael always fought hard to preserve and have your privacy, so in my opinion, who was part of Michael's life (no matter who it is), has an obligation to continue this privacy out of respect for Michael... then, silence and mouth closed! :ph34r: -_-

I agree ashtanga and I've been saying this all along. To me it seems very few people hold anything special and sacred in their heart anymore. Everyone seems to have an agenda all at Michael expense, I find it truly disgusting.
 
Thanks for the video! :)

I agree with you. :yes:

This was not a good attitude by Ruska. The big problem is that most people do not know and can not keep his mouth closed for some reason. This type of behavior is horrible especially among celebrities.

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I can say anything about celebrities if I do not like something they do. I do not see a problem about that. But she WORKED for Hilary Clinton and she put this video on YouTube so everybody can see it. And it is not a nice thing to say “she is not pretty” about ANY person in public.. I think Ruska has a lot of problems with attitude and in her head.... .
We have to be prepared for more hot stories to come.:) Some ppl are nuts.
 
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I agree ashtanga and I've been saying this all along. To me it seems very few people hold anything special and sacred in their heart anymore. Everyone seems to have an agenda all at Michael expense, I find it truly disgusting.

Thanks for agreeing with me. :)

I confess that now I'm afraid to say things here. lol! I always think so differently in most cases. :ph34r:

But... unfortunately people are like that. If it happens that way with us, normal people with normal lives, imagine the life of a celebrity? It's actually much worse. And this simple fact even more admire Michael for always having so much strength to overcome all the adversities of life. Sometimes I'm thinking, "Wow, Michael often had to deal with all kinds of people... good and bad." It certainly was a great learning experience for him. Michael always had a great experience with people and so he became a connoisseur of the human mind. I believe he would be able to simply look at a person and feel if that person was of good or bad. Michael was always a very sensitive person and I believe he had this great ability to sense the good and bad. :)



I can say anything about celebrities if I do not like something they do. I do not see a problem about that. But she WORKED for Hilary Clinton and she put this video on YouTube so everybody can see it. And it is not a nice thing to say “she is not pretty” about ANY person in public.. I think Ruska has a lot of problems with attitude and in her head.... .

I like Hilary and she is beautiful and elegant... much more than the Ruska. lol! :smilerolleyes:

As I said, this type of behavior (example Ruska) among celebrities / public figures is horrible. It is very exposed and want to draw attention of the media anyway. That is so rude. What I can say is that Ruska can have a great and infinite knowledge about fashion and clothes and in this case I think she had some sort of memory problem and forget the lessons of etiquette for sure at some point in her life she had. lol! Yes, celebrities/ public figures sometimes also fatal mistakes in front of everyone, they are human beings are not perfect and are made of good and bad qualities, but it's always nice to be alert to this sort of thing to avoid unnecessary constraints. :)

*Look at that amazing, interesting and perfect:
Michael never went through this at any time of your life! I've never seen Michael say anything bad about someone in public. (He could say many things about all the bad people who have in your life, but he did not. A great and perfect attitude) Michael will always be a great example for me. Again... is simply why I love you so much Michael! :wub:



We have to be prepared for more hot stories to come.:) Some ppl are nuts.
Yep... :(
 
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ruska should look first in the mirror before judging hillary clinton.. my inner feeling tells me michael wasnt romanticly interested on her..this is what i feel. but maybe he liked the way she worked.i think this secret woman is not known.i do think he got a gf secretly but i think she is unknown to all of us.
 
ruska should look first in the mirror before judging hillary clinton.. my inner feeling tells me michael wasnt romanticly interested on her..this is what i feel. but maybe he liked the way she worked.i think this secret woman is not known.i do think he got a gf secretly but i think she is unknown to all of us.

I think they did Photoshop those pictures we saw on newspaper. It is very obvious after watching the video. She looks very different at pictures. I do not want to say more then that.... It means that this person simply was lying from the beginning. I do not know why all loonies come to MJ?

PS. Karen said that Michael didn’t have a girlfriend. If somebody was around for a short time she said, it was another "Billie Jean".
 
I agree ashtanga and I've been saying this all along. To me it seems very few people hold anything special and sacred in their heart anymore. Everyone seems to have an agenda all at Michael expense, I find it truly disgusting.

It makes me :angry: that the ppl that were around him didnt seem to care bout him at all.
 
I don't mean to be so random here .. its just that I was just laying down and Something told me to get up and post the new sky sighting last night.

Last night it was as though God was saying to me, "you liked My Sky-Handy work the other night eh?? Ha! Check THIS OUT - look up!

and I looked up at the blackest sky and saw these uniformly teenie tiny, yet vividly bright, glittery PIN DOTS, speckled evenly, ALL OVER THE SKY as if someone had a handful of diamond beads the size of mustard seeds, and strew them perfectly, and evenly, upon a blue-black canvas and they landed and stuck there, as carefully placed pin dots. Like God literally had a pen and tatood the sky with it in quick, deliberate pokes, one by one. One star was not any larger or more bright than any other. ALL the same.

Perfectly uniform pin dots. :wub:

It was BREATH TAKING! Just like the night before was breath taking ... but just so different from it ... I mean God is actually versatile with His "sky painting!"

The Great Creator is so interesting! :giggle:

I hope other people saw it too.

My daughter mumbled something as I was standing there in awe, and I asked her to repeat it, I go, "huh"? And she says quite simply, "they're twinkling"

Ah! (I said) They ARE! It was as though ALL of them were winking at us!

Zillions of "little stars" twinkling :wub:
And then we both turned around and behold! ONE ENOURMOUS STAR! Brightly shining! All by itself! Amid all the teenie ones .. like the lead singer of some amazing group of voices!

I imagine it was Venus, doing her thing. She was really showing off!

I know its a a tough time of year. Please I know it sounds trite and Heaven knows I don't mean to, but please take in the entire night sky in this transitional time of year.
As someone said, it can be so healing to the soul.


I know its so easy for me to say, I do hope though that its possible for you to try to take it as endings creating beginnings like, when miraculously a birth of a beautiful daughter is the same day as a death of a very special parent.

God has so many "stories" within the "stories" of our lives. I'm learning that its so much better to live them while we still can ... while we're still here ... to the fullest ... truly enjoy, as much as we can, the wonderment of His amazing ways ...if for no other reason than to remind us that He is indeed He

(or He/She if u like - being that God is ALL, it seems appropriate enough to me)

I hope everyone feels better soon and overcomes this difficult time with a renewed sense of it all somehow. I hate to see people in pain. Love you guyz ...

This is a season of life .. death ... transformation .. and harvest ... and ironically the colors change into colors so vividly bright ... almost as if God is saying that inside of what we think is death, is really LIFE ... beautiful life that has simply taken on another, more vivid, more colorful form ... and when it dies yet another "death", just as an acorn falls to the ground, another seed is planted ... showing us that, in its own way ... life, in and of itself, for its own sake, does somehow ... continually go on..



... somehow the stars have reminded me of that..

Thanks so much for the encouragement SoS. What you wrote was so poignant, beautiful and eloquently written. The year '09 really is a time of rebirth, renewal and rebuilding. I guess we're all going through the "labor" and "delivery" part. It's excruciatingly painful, but after the "baby" is born there will be great joy and celebration! In the meantime, can I get an epidural? lol! Well, we haven't much longer, so I'll just say once again ... PUSH!!!
 
I guess we're all going through the "labor" and "delivery" part. It's excruciatingly painful, but after the "baby" is born there will be great joy and celebration!

Most of the time or almost always the way it's painful, but in the end everything always works out. It only happens is the right time. God works constantly to do it. After all, He never abandons us and He always knows when is the right time for all things happen. :yes: :angel:

Well, that expected for "baby" must be born 9 months. lol! :wild:

Have we're at the right time? :scratch:

I am very anxious (and very curious) so...

:ph34r:

:smilerolleyes:
 
Hello ladies and gentlemen! :ciao:


I would like to give many quotes here because the posts were really interesting.
But I will not extend me because I haven't nothing further to add. I agree with most and the previous posts have said everything. :girl_sigh:

I'm passing here because I miss you! :)
 
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