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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Hey Ash, don't leave. I think what you shared was very interesting.. we cannot exist without you here.. truly! We need that one telling us, she doesn't exist sometimes.. hehe
 
I know we've wondered why "I Hadn't Anyone Til You" was credited in TII but what about the use of "Put The Blame On Mame"? I saw a thread in the TII section and wondered out of all the classics why that particular song was chosen? Does anyone have any ideas?
 
ash you should not leave.. i dont think queen g wanted this. i think we exchange ideas in here.also we have good time in here.
sos i think i ve heard the TII song like you did. i think its a nice finding.
summer i love your story. i brought my daughter and his friends to This is it.. and they are in love with michael. they became fans before he died.first time they saw michael on mtv and they said " is this man for real? he dances sooo great. they cried all when he died.i think michael have tons of new fans. i hope he can feel this. just wanted to share this with you all.
 
Summer you are very fun! I love reading your posts and the latter were amazing!
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What happened in this thread?

Sorry back to this, but I need ...

I feel necessity to clarify some points regarding my image lol

From the beginning I never hid that I have different reviews with respect to the majority, it made me feel a "fish out of water" sometimes .. lol

Here is one of the reasons for not sharing my opinion, I know I would be ill-interpreted, but I don't hide that I believe, I keep my arguments, until prove me that I'm wrong!

To maintain a contrary opinion, you must have strong arguments that sustain it...
I prefer to remain silent, because I know that the time will care everything... or no lol

I really enjoy here in the forum but not of the way someone mentioned...
All here have different opinions, viewpoints and beliefs, but we must use this to add ... must be respected differences ...

By the way ...

Today is 20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall, this date is very beautiful... Unfortunately, even today, we need break down the "walls" built into our lives that pull us away from others and prevents us from seeing their beauty! Let's break down these "walls" and in their places, let's build "bridges" that lead us to new horizons!


Sorry for exit the theme ...



Ash and Tha, I'm here!
 
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queen g said:
I know of the mention of a her/she/girl in that one verse

See that girl
She knows I'm watching
She likes the way I stare

but I was always under the impression that the original lyrics were written in such a way to "personify the city," and that one incident with the girl he stared at was just one of the scenes of his nightlife experiences and not a big deal. All other references to a her or she I thought meant "the city." Even the line

Reaching out
I touch her shoulder
I'm dreaming of the street

I thought that was also just being figurative for touching or connecting with the personified city.

But now that you are pointing out these adlibs with the mention of a her in a more romantic way...like giving her a rose, and how she looks fine and wanting her to come here...maybe MJ always had a particular girl in his mind, and was singing this song about his getting out of his "enclosed by gates" home and into the city where this girl was. I had never thought of it in that way before.

And if we add what Cleopatra and you are hearing him saying during the TII rehearsals

why does she do me that way

and AllForMJ and I are hearing him say also

She likes loving this way

maybe it indicates that he always had a girl in mind in connection with that song. I had no idea. I thought it was solely about him getting out into the city at night.

Human Nature

Looking out
Across the night-time
The city winks a sleepless eye
Hear her voice
Shake my window
Sweet seducing sighs
2nd Verse
Get me out
Into the nighttime
Four walls won't hold me tonight
If this town
Is just an apple
Then let me take a bite

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way

Reaching out
To touch a stranger
Electric eyes are ev'rywhere
See that girl
She knows I'm watching
She likes the way I stare

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
I like livin' this way
I like lovin' this way


Looking out
Across the loneliness
The city's heart begins to beat
Reaching out
I touch her shoulder
I'm dreaming of the street

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
I like livin' this way


About Gilda, Lily, and the song she sings...I had seen Gilda within the last year. There's a couple things going on in the storyline that might have been a reason why he chose that particular movie to include a scene with. But that particular song, I can't see how it would fit in anyway with his LITD girl. Unless you think he is putting the blame on her for something? I know we have touched that possibility before in this thread, but then decided he probably wouldn't have done that. And now we have SoS feeling more and more that the song, TII, is sounding like an "apology" and she has also mentioned in the past that in One More Chance she hears MJ say in an adlib, "It's all on me," as if he is taking the blame about something and wants her to know he understands his part in things not working out for them to get together in the past.

The plot in a couple of the films he used for that Smooth Criminal short involved love triangles, and Gilda is one of those films, and that, I guess, might line up with Who Is It. Other than that, I cannot come up with a connection for this thread (meaning something to do with his lady friend) as to why he chose Gilda singing that song. But Gilda throwing her glove at him and his catching it was a great idea! Classic.
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What about the part when he was rehearsing Human Nature and he keeps singing "Keeping her around, around"...:scratch:It's when he is standing on stage with Dorian and Kenny. I've never heard him sing that line before during that song. :scratch:

And about "Put The Blame On Mame"...It could be a lot of reasons, why they used it. Could be that they just thought it would make a great scene...could be they used it because of the "gangster theme" in the film...could be that they wanted to demonstrate "the girl was dangerous" and flirty....could be lots of reasons.
 
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queen g said:
Oh, is that where you heard that, before the song, Human Nature? I tried to listen for that both times I went to see TII because of your one post about it, but I couldn't remember which song. I thought maybe it was I Just Can't Stop Loving You and you were hearing something instead of his Spanish. But no, you heard it before Human Nature? Wow. That is interesting that he would sing "Keeping her around, around" to himself before that song.

Has anyone else heard what Summer heard? I wish I had.
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Yeah, it's before the Human Nature footage we've seen on the clips. It's when he is on the side of the stage with Dorian and Kenny and kind of warming up and when they blend in "Dorian Holley Vocal coach" too. When he also sings "I like living this way...I like LLLOOOVING this way" and he sings the "loving" part in a special way...you know, emphasizing the "LLLLOOOVING" part. So that's when he also sings "Keeping her around...around"...a couple of times in a row. You know "Keeping her...keeping her around, around....keeping her... around around"...And then after that part comes the full song from the rehearsals. If you go see it again, watch out for that part. :)
 
NVM............................

I think I just lost my love vibe re-reading these thoughts I typed out.....wow.......
 
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Lily said:
Nevermind............................

I think I just lost my love vibe typing some thoughts out.....wow.......
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I lost my "love vibe" a long time ago...if that is of any consolation. :lol: :lol: Eff love. :(

I was just watching some of the TII footage on YouTube, and just like when I saw it in the movie theater....every time I see the "11" in the audience, I just feel ABSOLUTELY GUTTED because all I can think of is: "I would have been standing EXACTLY where that is...and I would have been able to see Michael SO WELL after all!!" Wow... talking about regrets!! :timer: :( You know, before MJ died I was so disappointed about the seats I had for the shows. Like, SO disappointed I started crying every time I even thought about the concerts. I had always been at the very front at every single MJ concert I had went to before because I always waited for HOURS in front of the gates to get there, so the thought of being somewhere in the back this time just because of the seating and ticket prices was just SO disappointing, like I said. I was even considering giving away the three tickets I had bought for the first three shows (that got rescheduled) because I thought I will just torture myself if I go and am at the back where I can't see anything. I thought I'll just be SO DISAPPOINTED that I'll just cry and pout and be pissed off, and no one wants to see any pissed off faces in an MJ concert. Besides, I thought I don't want anyone to think I'd not be happy with MJ and the show if I was looking unhappy...when in reality I would have been upset about my seats and not seeing MJ. So anyways, my only hope was the BK 101 seat. I thought I might be able to see something from that one...and now that I see the footage (and I realize it's not from the O2, but I'm pretty sure it would have been similar to that) I realize what an AMAZING view I would have had and how well I would have been able to see from that one. So now I just feel completely gutted because I see what "could have been" and what now never will be. :boohoo: :boohoo: And it makes me SO ANGRY at myself too because all the whining just seems so stupid and ridicilous now. Now it's like "Well...you happy that you whined??? Now you won't see MJ ever again!! ANYWHERE. At least you would have been able to hear his voice and be in the same building with him...but now you'll never see him again!! Ever!! So you happy about having acted like a spoiled brat now??!!" Makes me wanna slap myself on the face HARD for the whining I did before. Because it's like "HELLO????!!! At least Michael was alive and at least there WERE concerts to go to....Look at what's left now??!! He's gone!! You'll never be able to see even a glimpse of him now! How do you feel about it now?? You still wanna whine about some stupid seats now, you idiot??!". Unfortunately one is always smarter afterwards....you know..."don't know what you've got 'til it's gone"....But anyways, I just feel totally gutted when I see what could have been. :(

Sorry for the rant.
 
Lily said:
When I read the lyrics in their entirety the song sounds like a pleading or a prayer for TRUE LOVE, God please show me a sign. He sounds sad. In a way it seems imo like he has searched/met/dated/even married and given of himself yet none of them were that one, his SOULMATE/TRUE LOVE. These first 3 lines say to me that maybe he envisioned someone and thought about her ALOT in his mind but he kept it all to himself because there were no words to describe what he's feeling. And if and when that day "she" was gifted into his life it would be something he would just have to KNOW, this is THE ONE.

or maybe not, I dunno.....



I won't go see the movie but from what you're saying it sounds like MJ improvised to how he wanted the lyrics to be not how they were originally written by someone else. :)

Maybe thats due to being in a relationship with someone? "She likes loving this way" sounds to me like their feelings of mutual love were known as well as expressed to each other.

I dunno.....
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Interesting that you would bring up what I've bolded above in your post, Lily, because guuuuueeesss what?

MJ's special that aired on television where he played the song "One More Chance" on television for the very first time, was called "The One."

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"Off The Wall" was the start of his solo career and is the album where he gave us our first real glimpse into what he felt about being in relationships. He also was partying with this album.

"Thriller" is the album where he showcased his talent for making videos and it is also the album where he showed us his sensual side and how romantic he is. He was having a lot of fun with the ladies that he sung about in this album.

"Bad" is the album where he really got a chance to break wide and dance...dance...dance the way he wanted. He also started singing love songs about getting married.

"Dangerous" is the album where he started showing his spiritual side and it is also the album where he started letting us know that his heart was being broken by someone that he loved very much. He was trying everything to get her back. He even cried out in agony over losing her.

"HIStory" is the album where he showed that he was starting to feel deeply troubled. His life was now in turmoil. He didn't like it and he wanted everyone to know that he didn't like it.

"Invincible" is the album where he started showing that he was terribly hurt as well as fed up with being hurt. It is also the album where he let it be known that the women were being very uncooperative. They were trying to play him for a fool, playing hard to get or making it hard for him to hold on to them. He was starting to feel like things were hopeless.

"Number Ones" is the album where he revealed that he wanted one more chance at love and it is with this album that he started revealing through his music that he had his heart set on someone new. From there the tone of his love songs changed and became positive. From there he started taking steps to turn his life around and put the pieces of it back into place.

We're going to listen to him starting from HIStory since we've already gone through the other albums before it.

We will start by listening to a song that is not a love song, but is the song where he expressed what it felt like being abandoned in his fame. It is the song where he said he felt cold. It is the song where he said the rain had come. It is the song where he said he was living lonely. It is the song that I started this thread with.

Stranger In Moscow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE

Before his HIStory album, he used to keep most of his feelings to himself. He stopped doing this and instead started letting his feeling out. While listening to his HIStory album it is not hard to understand what he is saying. He is speaking loud and clear.

Everything he said on his "Invincible" album is easy to understand as well from track 1 on through to track 16. He was still being honest about his feelings even as he wept. He titled his album after the track that is about a woman that was not giving in to him. The music that he chose for this song is similar to the music that he chose for the song just before it which is about a woman that was playing him.

When he is singing about someone that he feels comfortable with, he does not use such music that we hear with these two songs. It is quite the opposite as he started doing later on and continued doing. When he is courting in song, the music says he is. When he feels loved, the music says he does.

When he's not feeling loved, that is when we end up hearing a song like this...a song that has music that says the woman is working on his nerves and causing discord.

Heartbreaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3p6u-5Zug

The song that he chose to name his album after is about a woman that is not showing him any interest no matter what he's doing to get her attention. He placed this song right next to "Heartbreaker" and they share the same tone. The music in both is saying there is a feeling of dissatisifaction.

Invincible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBfwWHSmb8&NR=1

When he was happy, he did not sound like he does in this next song either and he also did not used to say what he is saying in this song when he was actually happy...

Don't Walk Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDnosW-dG8I

Recording multiple songs about dissatisfaction and placing them on the same album together is not what he used to do when he felt like he had love in his life. This is what he started doing whenever he was feeling heartbroken.

In order for someone to convince themselves that he did not sound like he was in love by the time he got to his "Number Ones" CD, they would have to ignore the beautiful sound that they hear coming from him and also the words that they hear him saying about being in love.

He selected the song "One More Chance" as the new song for his "Number Ones" CD. It is a love song that he did the string arrangement for himself. And keep in mind that he released this beautiful love song while he was still going through all of the chaos that was created by the documentary that had let him down.

One More Chance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAtnrtwuTA

By the time he had released this next beautiful love song, that he worked on in 2004, he was going through the hardest thing he ever had to deal with while alive and it was caused by that same documentary that had let him down. He was now fighting for his freedom and even although he was, he still felt compelled to express his feelings for his special someone. He not only sounds like he is in love in this song, but he sounds like he is helplessly in love. And this is after saying the year before that all he needed was one more chance at love...one more chance.

Beautiful Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-9t7F8LuI

Right next to "Beautiful Girl" he places this next song which is also about him being in love with someone and it is in this song that he says she took the rain away. When did he say the rain started? It was around the time that he had recorded "Stranger In Moscow" and that was a very long time ago. That cold storm lasted for many years. He had revealed in "One More Chance" what he needed to get out of the cold and from listening to what he later said in "Beautiful Girl," he received what he needed. The tone of the music is saying it, his voice is saying it and the words he is singing are saying it.

In his song "The Way You Love Me" you will notice that he is now starting to mainly use the word "you" while singing to her and he sounds elated in this song.

The Way You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWu5lOiLZxQ

He continues only using the word "you" while singing "For All Time" too, and he is still expressing his love, but he goes a step further and tells her their hearts belong so well and their souls are embracing, and he mentions the rain going away again.

For All Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAAyvAPTseQ

See, he was a very deep man. He knew he needed to seek love that was divine, as he mentioned in "Someone Put Your Hand Out" or it would never reach him. True love is not carnal. True love is spiritual. Only true love can reach the heart, mind and soul. Only true love could fill him up and strengthen him. Only true love can go with him no matter where he goes.

Also, have you guys notice that he always used to sing and talk about the light...just like he did in "This Is It?" It is because this world is dark. It was very hard for him to find love in it. It took him a very long time, but as he said, she came in time. Therefore, we'll just have to take his word for it. He should know.

And about the way that he kept saying "I can't stop" at the end of the "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" rehearsal... That was similar to what he did at the end of "One More Chance."
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summer said:
I lost my "love vibe" a long time ago...if that is of any consolation. :lol: :lol: Eff love. :(

I was just watching some of the TII footage on YouTube, and just like when I saw it in the movie theater....every time I see the "11" in the audience, I just feel ABSOLUTELY GUTTED because all I can think of is: "I would have been standing EXACTLY where that is...and I would have been able to see Michael SO WELL after all!!" Wow... talking about regrets!! :timer: :( You know, before MJ died I was so disappointed about the seats I had for the shows. Like, SO disappointed I started crying every time I even thought about the concerts. I had always been at the very front at every single MJ concert I had went to before because I always waited for HOURS in front of the gates to get there, so the thought of being somewhere in the back this time just because of the seating and ticket prices was just SO disappointing, like I said. I was even considering giving away the three tickets I had bought for the first three shows (that got rescheduled) because I thought I will just torture myself if I go and am at the back where I can't see anything. I thought I'll just be SO DISAPPOINTED that I'll just cry and pout and be pissed off, and no one wants to see any pissed off faces in an MJ concert. Besides, I thought I don't want anyone to think I'd not be happy with MJ and the show if I was looking unhappy...when in reality I would have been upset about my seats and not seeing MJ. So anyways, my only hope was the BK 101 seat. I thought I might be able to see something from that one...and now that I see the footage (and I realize it's not from the O2, but I'm pretty sure it would have been similar to that) I realize what an AMAZING view I would have had and how well I would have been able to see from that one. So now I just feel completely gutted because I see what "could have been" and what now never will be. :boohoo: :boohoo: And it makes me SO ANGRY at myself too because all the whining just seems so stupid and ridicilous now. Now it's like "Well...you happy that you whined??? Now you won't see MJ ever again!! ANYWHERE. At least you would have been able to hear his voice and be in the same building with him...but now you'll never see him again!! Ever!! So you happy about having acted like a spoiled brat now??!!" Makes me wanna slap myself on the face HARD for the whining I did before. Because it's like "HELLO????!!! At least Michael was alive and at least there WERE concerts to go to....Look at what's left now??!! He's gone!! You'll never be able to see even a glimpse of him now! How do you feel about it now?? You still wanna whine about some stupid seats now, you idiot??!". Unfortunately one is always smarter afterwards....you know..."don't know what you've got 'til it's gone"....But anyways, I just feel totally gutted when I see what could have been. :(

Sorry for the rant.
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Hun dont feel bad ok, its not ur fault
Michael wouldnt want u to hate ur self bout it. :hug:
 
queen g said:
I know of the mention of a her/she/girl in that one verse

See that girl
She knows I'm watching
She likes the way I stare

but I was always under the impression that the original lyrics were written in such a way to "personify the city," and that one incident with the girl he stared at was just one of the scenes of his nightlife experiences and not a big deal. All other references to a her or she I thought meant "the city." Even the line

Reaching out
I touch her shoulder
I'm dreaming of the street

I thought that was also just being figurative for touching or connecting with the personified city.

But now that you are pointing out these adlibs with the mention of a her in a more romantic way...like giving her a rose, and how she looks fine and wanting her to come here...maybe MJ always had a particular girl in his mind, and was singing this song about his getting out of his "enclosed by gates" home and into the city where this girl was. I had never thought of it in that way before.

And if we add what Cleopatra and you are hearing him saying during the TII rehearsals

why does she do me that way

and AllForMJ and I are hearing him say also

She likes loving this way

maybe it indicates that he always had a girl in mind in connection with that song. I had no idea. I thought it was solely about him getting out into the city at night.

Human Nature

Looking out
Across the night-time
The city winks a sleepless eye
Hear her voice
Shake my window
Sweet seducing sighs
2nd Verse
Get me out
Into the nighttime
Four walls won't hold me tonight
If this town
Is just an apple
Then let me take a bite

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way

Reaching out
To touch a stranger
Electric eyes are ev'rywhere
See that girl
She knows I'm watching
She likes the way I stare

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
I like livin' this way
I like lovin' this way


Looking out
Across the loneliness
The city's heart begins to beat
Reaching out
I touch her shoulder
I'm dreaming of the street

Chorus
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
If they say -
Why, why, tell 'em that it's human nature
Why, why, does he do me that way
I like livin' this way


About Gilda, Lily, and the song she sings...I had seen Gilda within the last year. There's a couple things going on in the storyline that might have been a reason why he chose that particular movie to include a scene with. But that particular song, I can't see how it would fit in anyway with his LITD girl. Unless you think he is putting the blame on her for something? I know we have touched that possibility before in this thread, but then decided he probably wouldn't have done that. And now we have SoS feeling more and more that the song, TII, is sounding like an "apology" and she has also mentioned in the past that in One More Chance she hears MJ say in an adlib, "It's all on me," as if he is taking the blame about something and wants her to know he understands his part in things not working out for them to get together in the past.

The plot in a couple of the films he used for that Smooth Criminal short involved love triangles, and Gilda is one of those films, and that, I guess, might line up with Who Is It. Other than that, I cannot come up with a connection for this thread (meaning something to do with his lady friend) as to why he chose Gilda singing that song. But Gilda throwing her glove at him and his catching it was a great idea! Classic.
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I've been listening to both versions of Human Nature "on the fly" and was thinking of the sort of double entendre it sounds like as he refers to the city as "she", as well as human nature itself, (does she do me this way) - and I don't know if anyone else can hear it, (of course I'd like to) but it also sounds like to me that, just as he says, "tell 'em that its human nature" , there are other times when it sounds like he says, "tell her that its human nature", even though the question was, "if they say why, why". Listen carefully, he does it alternately ... sometimes he says it one way ("tell 'em that its .. ) then sometimes he does the other ("tell her that its ..) - unless he's just not fully pronouncing but its that way in both versions (TII and Thriller).
 
summer i noticed it too. keeping her around ...but its obvious.i even noticed it when i watched the movie for the first time.even the kids repeated this... so your not alone. :)
 
Did Michael Find Someone In The Dark..? What does the lyrics, melodies, interpretations, coincidences, reality of it all mean..?

Here is something very near and dear to my heart...a gift from me to each and everyone of you..!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W61Q-EZ8R7M

"Because Heal the World speaks to the heart, it speaks to the conscience, speaks to the soul; It's not "just a song" It's so much more, it isn't just about Healing the World, It's also about making changes within ourselves..!"

Michael Jackson
Author (c) 2009

:angel:Our Children Are The Future...Heal The World...WE Are The World...Education IS The Key~~~
 
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summer said:
First people keep asking Ash to share, and then they judge her if she does. I think that's a bit funny. :scratch: Why can't everyone share what they think. We all don't always agree, but I think that shouldn't be a reason for anyone to tell someone else to "go elsewhere". Just my opinion.

What comes to the TDCAU scene...I think it was done while MJ was alive and MJ was involved in the creation. After all he came to the set on the day it was filmed. It's all in the TII footage. Isn't MJ even performing in front of that footage in the rehearsals? :scratch:

Anyways...I saw This Is It again and I noticed a couple of things that were not "clues"...but just observations. His orange jeans had a little hole in them on the left knee. And he wore some kind of "pearl" bracelet at times too in rehearsals. I first thought it's some expensive diamond bracelet, but when I saw it closer it looked like tiny pearls, tied in the back like a friendship bracelet. Also...what caught me off guard and made me almost laugh out loud at MYSELF....was watching the footage in an IMAX theater...and all of the sudden realizing how MJ's behind was pretty much right in front of my face and I was like "Whoa! What a difference an IMAX makes! It's like 'right there'!" :bugeyed :lol: :lol: And I was embarrassed that I had actually caught myself checking out his butt! :doh: :lol: :lol: But like I said, it was "right there"...right in front of me...because the screen was huge...so when he turned around and lifted his jacket and shirt...it was hard to miss. :lol: Oh and these three kids were sitting right next to me with their parents and I spent half of the time watching their reactions and giggling at it because it was so cute! :lol: They were maybe between 5 and 8 years and they were leaning forward, watching MJ's every move closely. When I saw them, I just cracked up every time because it made me so happy for Michael and so happy to see how kids are blown away by all the stuff MJ does, and it was so awesome to see other's reaction to the movie. So anyways, the kids had pop corn with them, but they forgot to eat it because they were watching in complete amazement with their mouths wide open! :lol: So cute! And during Thriller they were all hiding behind their jackets...peeking behind their jackets because they were scared, I guess, but still didn't wanna miss a thing! :lol: SO CUTE! Like I said, I spent half of the movie by watching their reactions and I kept putting my hand to my face to hide the giggles because they and their reactions were so funny but so cute! All I could think was "I wish Michael could see...he'd be SO HAPPY!!" :wub:
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Aw, how cute! It's so lovely to see isn't it? :) When I came out of the cinema, there were two boys, aged about 8, dancing to Beat It. It really warms your heart. :wub:
 
summer said:
I lost my "love vibe" a long time ago...if that is of any consolation. :lol: :lol: Eff love. :(
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Awww summer don't give up on love :( I just grossed myself out with the thought I posted last night and it ruined my DMJFLITD love feeling at that moment. :girl_sigh: :lol: I'm gonna try and post an abbreviated thought now and hopefully I won't make myself sick about it. :ermm: :lol:

Here it goes.....-_- lol

queen g said:
About Gilda, Lily, and the song she sings...I had seen Gilda within the last year. There's a couple things going on in the storyline that might have been a reason why he chose that particular movie to include a scene with. But that particular song, I can't see how it would fit in anyway with his LITD girl. Unless you think he is putting the blame on her for something? I know we have touched that possibility before in this thread, but then decided he probably wouldn't have done that. And now we have SoS feeling more and more that the song, TII, is sounding like an "apology" and she has also mentioned in the past that in One More Chance she hears MJ say in an adlib, "It's all on me," as if he is taking the blame about something and wants her to know he understands his part in things not working out for them to get together in the past.

The plot in a couple of the films he used for that Smooth Criminal short involved love triangles, and Gilda is one of those films, and that, I guess, might line up with Who Is It. Other than that, I cannot come up with a connection for this thread (meaning something to do with his lady friend) as to why he chose Gilda singing that song. But Gilda throwing her glove at him and his catching it was a great idea! Classic.
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summer said:
Yeah, it's before the Human Nature footage we've seen on the clips. It's when he is on the side of the stage with Dorian and Kenny and kind of warming up and when they blend in "Dorian Holley Vocal coach" too. When he also sings "I like living this way...I like LLLOOOVING this way" and he sings the "loving" part in a special way...you know, emphasizing the "LLLLOOOVING" part. So that's when he also sings "Keeping her around...around"...a couple of times in a row. You know "Keeping her...keeping her around, around....keeping her... around around"...And then after that part comes the full song from the rehearsals. If you go see it again, watch out for that part. :)
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When I read these 2 posts 2 people came to mind. The first ex and the other I don't know the truth to it but there has been speculation about them, the person taking care of the kids. Both were/are in marriages (love triangle), both didn't work out for whatever reason(s) yet they still seem to always be kept around even in the present, back and forth in his life and I'm sure with that comes apologies and/or accepting the blame on certain things, maybe he likes living and loving that way, who knows? Are either "she" MJ'sLITD and/or did either inspire songs such as TII? I dunno, but those just happened to be my first thoughts. -_-


queen g ~ here's a new one on the song "Put The Blame On Mame".....What year was the "Frisco Quake" she sings about? 1906.

1 + 9 + 6 = 16..and..1 + 6 = 7 :bugeyed :lol:


AllForMJ said:
Interesting that you would bring up what I've bolded above in your post, Lily, because guuuuueeesss what?

MJ's special that aired on television where he played the song "One More Chance" on television for the very first time, was called "The One."

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That is interesting because I don't think I've ever seen that special. hmmmmm.....
 
^ Awww don't worry about it queen g :flowers: my wild imagination got the best of me last night and a little this morning. :ph34r: :lol: Must be the cold medicine, it seems to be playing mind tricks on me today. I've been hallucinating seeing things all morning. :ph34r: :eek: :lol:
 
AllForMJ said:
"We will start by listening to a song that is not a love song, but is the song where he expressed what it felt like being abandoned in his fame. It is the song where he said he felt cold. It is the song where he said the rain had come. It is the song where he said he was living lonely. It is the song that I started this thread with.

Stranger In Moscow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZz-q8CRLE

Before his HIStory album, he used to keep most of his feelings to himself. He stopped doing this and instead started letting his feeling out. While listening to his HIStory album it is not hard to understand what he is saying. He is speaking loud and clear.

Everything he said on his "Invincible" album is easy to understand as well from track 1 on through to track 16. He was still being honest about his feelings even as he wept. He titled his album after the track that is about a woman that was not giving in to him. The music that he chose for this song is similar to the music that he chose for the song just before it which is about a woman that was playing him.

When he is singing about someone that he feels comfortable with, he does not use such music that we hear with these two songs. It is quite the opposite as he started doing later on and continued doing. When he is courting in song, the music says he is. When he feels loved, the music says he does.

When he's not feeling loved, that is when we end up hearing a song like this...a song that has music that says the woman is working on his nerves and causing discord.

Heartbreaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw3p6u-5Zug

The song that he chose to name his album after is about a woman that is not showing him any interest no matter what he's doing to get her attention. He placed this song right next to "Heartbreaker" and they share the same tone. The music in both is saying there is a feeling of dissatisifaction.

Invincible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBfwWHSmb8&NR=1

When he was happy, he did not sound like he does in this next song either and he also did not used to say what he is saying in this song when he was actually happy...

Don't Walk Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDnosW-dG8I

Recording multiple songs about dissatisfaction and placing them on the same album together is not what he used to do when he felt like he had love in his life. This is what he started doing whenever he was feeling heartbroken.

In order for someone to convince themselves that he did not sound like he was in love by the time he got to his "Number Ones" CD, they would have to ignore the beautiful sound that they hear coming from him and also the words that they hear him saying about being in love.

He selected the song "One More Chance" as the new song for his "Number Ones" CD. It is a love song that he did the string arrangement for himself. And keep in mind that he released this beautiful love song while he was still going through all of the chaos that was created by the documentary that had let him down.

One More Chance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAtnrtwuTA

By the time he had released this next beautiful love song, that he worked on in 2004, he was going through the hardest thing he ever had to deal with while alive and it was caused by that same documentary that had let him down. He was now fighting for his freedom and even although he was, he still felt compelled to express his feelings for his special someone. He not only sounds like he is in love in this song, but he sounds like he is helplessly in love. And this is after saying the year before that all he needed was one more chance at love...one more chance.

Beautiful Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-9t7F8LuI

Right next to "Beautiful Girl" he places this next song which is also about him being in love with someone and it is in this song that he says she took the rain away. When did he say the rain started? It was around the time that he had recorded "Stranger In Moscow" and that was a very long time ago. That cold storm lasted for many years. He had revealed in "One More Chance" what he needed to get out of the cold and from listening to what he later said in "Beautiful Girl," he received what he needed. The tone of the music is saying it, his voice is saying it and the words he is singing are saying it.

In his song "The Way You Love Me" you will notice that he is now starting to mainly use the word "you" while singing to her and he sounds elated in this song.

The Way You Love Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWu5lOiLZxQ

He continues only using the word "you" while singing "For All Time" too, and he is still expressing his love, but he goes a step further and tells her their hearts belong so well and their souls are embracing, and he mentions the rain going away again.

For All Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAAyvAPTseQ
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AllForMJ, great post. Just I think there are some more interesting lyrics in-between we even didn't go trough but they may have some meaning as well. I know you were going through the albums only.
Some lyrics were written by Michael some not. Does it make any difference to the subject we discuss here?
“One more chance” lyrics were not written by Michael as far as I know. I do not think it matters? Just saying... .
What about the song "You are not alone?" The song was not written by MJ? Right? But the lyrics are very beautiful.
We missed "Remember the time" Anybody has a clue was he happy that time? I love this song..... .:)
 
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Sort of off topic but has any of you had any MJ dreams lately? He's been in my dreams every single night lately and when ever I wake up I'm like "I can NOT forget what happened and what he said, etc." and then I either go back to sleep or get up and then forget half of it anyways....and it's frustrating because he is talking so much in my dreams and I can't remember what he said. :(

A couple of nights ago I was somewhere with other fans and other people waiting for MJ to arrive to some event, and then after a while these black vans with tinted windows drove down this hill into the area where we all were waiting and I can remember I was filming with my cell phone and I kept saying "Is this really happening?? Is that really him?? Or am I watching this on film??" :scratch: I can remember I felt TOTALLY confused in my dream about if it was really happening live or if I was watching a film. :scratch: I can remember putting down my cell phone and seeing it's filming the ground and that it's live and I was like "This is happening now?? MJ is really here? He isn't dead??" :wild: And then MJ came out and he was wearing the same outfit as in the London press conference, except the black shirt/jacket was open and he had a white t-shirt underneath. So then he got on this very big, old looking, green tree...that was floating above a lake (what the...? :scratch: :lol:) and he started his speech. And I can't remember a word he said during his speech. :boohoo: I can just remember it was something significant...something important...but I can't remember at ALL what it was about. I can only remember that I was at some orphanage or a home for handicapped kids before that...and everyone there was totally excited about "MJ coming to town"...and they had like a list of who is going to see MJ and who will be getting tickets, and they were getting the kids ready to go see MJ....that's all I remember from that dream.

Then last night (or the night before) I was reading this thread with MJ. Yes, believe it or not! :hysterical: :hysterical: That's pretty much all I can remember of the MJ part in that dream. I was laughing when I woke up! :lol: Again, I can NOT remember what MJ was saying...I can just remember that we were both standing in front of a big screen, scrolling through this thread and he was commenting on something and talked a lot. I just wish I could remember what he said in the dream. Then the dream changed again and I was all of the sudden in some poor, violent country walking with this maybe 7 year old girl from school to her home and I was told that a lot of the children die before they get home because of the war or shootings and all that kind of stuff and I was there to get her home safely...and then after that I was in some hospital..standing in the hall way in front of a room in which someone had just died...and the weird thing was...I was standing there with the person who had just died in that room :scratch:...And for some reason I felt really angry and upset about that person having died...You know, like I was blaming someone for their death...but then I remember that there was some child who was about 11-12 years old there too...and even though I was angry...I realized that thre really wasn't anything anyone could have done...so I remember I was like "But I don't blame you, okay! I'm not angry at you! I'm upset...but I don't blame you...it was not your fault. Okay!". And I was talking to the one who had died and the child. No idea what that was about. :scratch: Oh and there was something about some black pickup truck. I can only remember that. And it had something to do with MJ and it was somehow significant in my dream. I can't remember why, but I just remember the black pickup truck. :scratch:

My dreams are always so weird and random...hard to make any sense from them! :lol: And like I said...I WISH I could remember what MJ says in my dreams! He always talks a lot, and I can't remember one word! :boohoo:

So...anyone else had any dreams?
 
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Asedora said:
AllForMJ, great post. Just I think there are some more interesting lyrics in-between we even didn't go trough but they may have some meaning as well. I know you were going through the albums only.
Some lyrics were written by Michael some not. Does it make any difference to the subject we discuss here?
“One more chance” lyrics were not written by Michael as far as I know. I do not think it matters? Just saying... .
What about the song "You are not alone?" The song was not written by MJ? Right? But the lyrics are very beautiful.
We missed "Remember the time" Anybody has a clue was he happy that time? I love this song..... .:)
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The amazing thing bout michael was that even though when he sang songs that he didnt write himself, he still had a special to translate them as if they were his. It was like he knew what they were bout deep inside them and he was the only one that could tell the story of the song. It was almost as if he was the "storyteller" of our generation.
 
Ok ladies, let me put my 2 coins what I hear cus it is an interesting subject to discuss:

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, gone away (? run away)
Make it feel , this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

I do not hear “They don’t feel it” in the last line and I do not hear “gonna make” either.
I the second line I am almost sure that it is Gone Away. Does it make sense ? No?
He mispronounces many letters and “that I feel” could be easy “that’s I feel”.
 
Asedora said:
Ok ladies, let me put my 2 coins what I hear cus it is an interesting subject to discuss:

This is it, I can say
I’m the light of your world, gone away (? run away)
Make it feel , this is real
Every time I’m in love that I feel

I do not hear “They don’t feel it” in the last line and I do not hear “gonna make” either.
I the second line I am almost sure that it is Gone Away. Does it make sense ? No?
He mispronounces many letters and “that I feel” could be easy “that’s I feel”.
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I too cannot understand a word of what he says....but it still a good song :giggle:
 
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