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Big Update in Raymone Case! MJ Responds

Deaf Farter said:
actually it doesn't. lol

they should've responded in a timely fashion, at least acknowledging the fact that he was being sued to avoid any appearance of not having it all together.

this poor poor woman got her damn hopes up thinking she was gonna get new yaki and now she's gonna get defeated.

u never play possum....not w/ the law. this is just mj's response. doesn't invoke a final judgement.

let's hopethe judge has a brain and dismisses this
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Their filing explained why this wasn't addressed sooner. Let's stop acting as if we know his business more than he does.

I wonder if their filing indicates his feelings towards the job that she did for him while he was employed. Once again, people may be making assumptions based on outside facts and not what really went on with the interactions in reality. At some point he wanted to terminate the relationship; until the reason is made public, perhaps people need to stop acting as if they know.

For this lawsuit, she appears to have way overplayed her hand. He dealt the cards needed. No need to act as if he should have done anything else differently. He did what was needed when he knew that he needed to handle his business.
 
Good point!

classic said:
Their filing explained why this wasn't addressed sooner.

Let's stop acting as if we know his business more than he does.

I wonder if their filing indicates his feelings towards the job that she did for him while he was employed. Once again, people may be making assumptions based on outside facts and not what really went on with the interactions in reality. At some point he wanted to terminate the relationship; until the reason is made public, perhaps people need to stop acting as if they know.

For this lawsuit, she appears to have way overplayed her hand. He dealt the cards needed. No need to act as if he should have done anything else differently. He did what was needed when he knew that he needed to handle his business.
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Love.him said:
Good point!
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I am just tired of the flack that he gets hurled his way based on assumptions. It does get out of hand.

Also, one reason why we may not know too much about his team now is because of lessons learned. If Raymone really did get just 1/2 of the stuff people claimed they emailed her with, then he may not want any more of his staff going through critiques that come from fans.

Does this excuse what she did here? Absolutely not. But, let's remember that in the end, he knows more than we do.
 
Nice to see Michael and his team taking names and kicking ass. Raymone's case is pretty much HIStory.

In the words of Bruce Willis from his Die Hard series just as he's about to cap off another bad guy......"Yippie kai yai mother *(&$er!" lol
 
classic said:
I am just tired of the flack that he gets hurled his way based on assumptions. It does get out of hand.

Also, one reason why we may not know too much about his team now is because of lessons learned. If Raymone really did get just 1/2 of the stuff people claimed they emailed her with, then he may not want any more of his staff going through critiques that come from fans.

Does this excuse what she did here? Absolutely not. But, let's remember that in the end, he knows more than we do.
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:flowers: :flowers:
 
OK and this is why is said we fans are on the OUTSIDE looking IN. We didn't even know the fourth of what goes on in michael life. Yet so many fans up on here poppin off at the mouth.:no: Anywho...

This shows that michael aint on the internet googling the mess out of his name to see what pops up. The man has a life and especially right now is nothing but busy getting things done. Thats why he didn't know about the lawsuit and plus the summons was given to someone who don't work for mike anymore. And oh how they failed to pass it on.:bugeyed That was every... :evil:. Anyway I'm just glad mike caught it in time and appointed his lawyers.

Now raymone needs to go sit her tacky behind self down somewhere cuz she know she dead wrong. This chick know good and well she ain't worth no 44mil. How stupid can you be to sign a document saying you got paid and then go and sue???:doh: She must needed her tacky blonde braids redone. Girl please! LOLOLOLOL

Go mikey, handle ya biz:dancin:!

also I'm glad she did this cuz it shows her true colors. If she hadn't did this I would have be indifferent to her but now that I see this. I know the chick was nasty from jump and didn't care nothing about michael, except for the little fame and fourtune should could get by riding off him. UGH!
 
Originally Posted by AllTheLovelyFlowers
Damn, Michael sure did take care of his business. Raymone is really grasping here. Just goes to show you once again how we can't believe all that we read and hear in the media. We were led to believe that Michael was in fact served. But he wasn't.
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Exactly!!! I commented before that MJ didn't even know he was being sued!!!! And see, that really is the case! But once he knows about it, he quickly acted upon it. MJ DOES take care of his business. Those who trash and blame MJ for everything bad happened should just shut up.

I would to but some PR don't and they get more than that. I have dealt with a few. But again, I hate this about Ms. Bain because she did a good job in my opinion during the trial. She was one of the best and I hate to see her put herself in this position to go out like this at her own doing.
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I dislike her at first sight, same to tohme tohme. Both look snaky. I always have gut feeling about people. Christian Audigier next but he isn't in MJ's biz so that should be fine.
 
Whose this L. Londell McMillan guy?

I hope Michael gets all his legal fees awarded against her.

If she did such a great job at the trial Tom Meserau wouldn't have recommended that she be fired, which I think was the best thing. I don't think she was that great.
 
Why did this get to this point anyway?? I mean, this is huge. This is a big waste of lawyer and judge time, if this document existed. Really. They should dismiss this promptly. She signed the document. She signed it, probably under her own legal advice...she knew what she signed. It shouldn't have even gotten to this point.
 
Londell McMillan has long been in possession of the Payment and Release Agreement, it is now in the hands of court and I have a copy as well. It is three pages long and is signed by both Raymone Bain and Michael Jackson. From the looks of it, Michael was working closely with McMillan well after Raymone was released, he initially faxed McMillan the Payment and Release Agreement in February 2008 (a couple months after it was signed). So McMillan appears to have been the one keeping tabs on all of Michael's business dealings and so on for some time, and he is the man best suited to explain the actual situation between MJ and Raymone as he already has.

AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Shoot, she got paid llama money! I wish someone would pay me $488,000. I would have enough to pay off all my bills, my student loan and then buy a new car, a new house and a whole bunch of urns! :D
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Yeah, and of that amount $270,000 was for a so-called "consultant fee" alone. So many people increase their rates by an epic degree when they become linked to Michael--like the ones who charged him $100,000 to install a few TVs at Neverland!
 
volitional said:
Whose this L. Londell McMillan guy?

I hope Michael gets all his legal fees awarded against her.

If she did such a great job at the trial Tom Meserau wouldn't have recommended that she be fired, which I think was the best thing. I don't think she was that great.
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She did do a good job. Yes, she was fired but she was HIRED back so that say something about her as well. She was making a statement to the media which she was DEFENDING MJ. So that is not a bad thing. The media was saying all kinds of lies. I love how she put Nancy Grace dumb @SS in her place something that many PR people do NOT do. Yes, this latest mess was stupid as it appears but I will give her props for what she did during the trial. She maybe greedy now and overstepping now but she was good when she was needed at the time. This is the same with Frank Dilieo. He was FIRED;and now look, HE is BACK. As some fans have said, Do not act like we know all about MJ's business. We do not know at the of the day; and that include how he still may or may not deal with these former employees.
 
TSCM said:
Londell McMillan has long been in possession of the Payment and Release Agreement, it is now in the hands of court and I have a copy as well. It is three pages long and is signed by both Raymone Bain and Michael Jackson. From the looks of it, Michael was working closely with McMillan well after Raymone was released, he initially faxed McMillan the Payment and Release Agreement in February 2008 (a couple months after it was signed). So McMillan appears to have been the one keeping tabs on all of Michael's business dealings and so on for some time, and he is the man best suited to explain the actual situation between MJ and Raymone as he already has.


Yeah, and of that amount $270,000 was for a so-called "consultant fee" alone. So many people increase their rates by an epic degree when they become linked to Michael--like the ones who charged him $100,000 to install a few TVs at Neverland!
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When people think you have money, they do this stupid mess. :evil:
 
So Tohme has been out of the picture, and it does seem that Dileo is in the picture. How does that relate to the other lawsuit?
 
I have a hard time believing she signed a release of payment form and still filed such a lawsuit. Not only that but she willingly divulged some of MJ's private business and personal habits to support her claims. All the while not even bothering to mention that pesky little release form signed in 2007. Can't wait for her explanation.
 
has she got any comeback at all with this form. is it clear cut? could she still argue her case being she started off the tour talks so is still entiltled to cash even though the tour was agreed apon after she left and signed the form? but because the initial talks happened b4 she signed the release form (did they?) she should still get a cut?. it really cant be that simple can it? lol
 
elusive moonwalker said:
has she got any comeback at all with this form. is it clear cut? could she still argue her case being she started off the tour talks so is still entiltled to cash even though the tour was agreed apon after she left and signed the form? but because the initial talks happened b4 she signed the release form (did they?) she should still get a cut?. it really cant be that simple can it? lol
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There is no comeback. That clause is as airtight as can be. It totally cuts her off from the time she was born to the time MJ terminated her.

Any attempt to circumvent it will result in years in the appeal courts.

It severs all ties, claims and lawsuits with MJ. I think Londell did this to deal with what he had seen from cases with MJ's past managers and associates like Schaffel and those other two managers from Germany.

And it will be good for MJ to begin dealing this way with all people, including employees like maids, security guards and music video extras. Pay them their last salary, get them to sign for their money at the same time as they sign the release then no more nonsense from them for all time.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
has she got any comeback at all with this form. is it clear cut? could she still argue her case being she started off the tour talks so is still entiltled to cash even though the tour was agreed apon after she left and signed the form? but because the initial talks happened b4 she signed the release form (did they?) she should still get a cut?. it really cant be that simple can it? lol
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Mr. Jackson shall render a payment made payable to you [Plaintiffs] in the amount of four hundred and eighty-eight thousand, eight hundred and twenty dollars and five cents ($488,820.05) as full and final satisfaction of any and all monies, known or unknown, to be owed to you by the Jackson Parties with respect to any and all agreements whether verbal or written that you may have entered into with the Jackson Parties from the beginning of time until December 27, 2007 (the "Payment").



That part is what Ramone cannot get around. It covers the written agreement she entered into asking for 10%.
 
Well, thank goodness for this bit of good news. I don't see how in the world Raymone can get any $$$ now. If she had any self respect she would just drop the law suit herself.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
has she got any comeback at all with this form. is it clear cut? could she still argue her case being she started off the tour talks so is still entiltled to cash even though the tour was agreed apon after she left and signed the form? but because the initial talks happened b4 she signed the release form (did they?) she should still get a cut?. it really cant be that simple can it? lol
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Based on the payment and release agreement, she cannot make such an argument. Especially based on this clause:

"Mr. Jackson shall render a payment made payable to you in the amount of $488,820.05 as full and final satisfaction of any all monies, known or unknown, to be owed to you by the Jackson Parties with respect to any and all agreements whether verbal or written that you may have entered into with the Jackson Parties from the beginning of time until December 27, 2007 (the "Payment")."

The June 2006 agreement that she refers to certainly falls within the "beginning of time until December 27, 2007" time frame, which she acknowledged was fully satisfied with the ~$500,000 payment regardless of any UNKNOWN monies that she would ever claim were owed; that being the success of Thriller 25, the O2 concerts, and even the catalog refinancing since that too was part of the old agreement she agreed was satisfied in full.
 
In going over the Payment and Release Agreement again, the only item that she could even remotely try and fall back on would be a clause cited from California Civil Code Section 1542. However, even though a default right does exist "not to release existing claims of which you are not now aware of and do not suspect to exist" she legally can't pursue that either, as she also agreed to voluntarily waive that right by signing the agreement! See below:

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Raymone Bain & Michael Jackson Payment and Release Agreement Excerpt

5. Waiver of Rights Under California Civil Code Section 1542. You understand and agree that the release set forth above shall extend to any and all claims related to the matters described above, of every nature and kind whatsoever, whether such claims are known or unknown, suspected or unsuspected, and any and all rights under Section 1542 of the California Civil Code ("Section 1542") within the scope of this release set forth above are expressly waived. You acknowledge that you have read Section 1542, which provides as follows:

A GENERAL RELEASE DOES NOT EXTEND TO CLAIMS WHICH THE CREDITOR DOES NOT KNOW OR SUSPECT TO EXIST IN HIS OR HER FAVOR AT THE TIME OF THE EXECUTING THE RELEASE, WHICH IF KNOWN BY HIM OR HER MUST HAVE MATERIALLY AFFECTED HIS OR HER SETTLEMENT WITH THE DEBTOR.

You also understand that Section 1542 gives you the right not to release existing claims of which you are not now aware of and do not suspect to exist, unless you voluntarily choose to waive this right. Even though you are aware of this right, you nevertheless hereby voluntarily waive the right described in Section 1542, and elect to assume all risks for claims that now exist in your favor, known or unknown, arising from the subject matter of the release set forth above, and expressly waive any rights under any other statutes or common law principles of similar effect.
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So, the agreement is truly AIR TIGHT and I can't see any legal way for her to get around it short of claiming that Michael never satisfied the payment described or to claim under oath that her signature is forged. Neither of these will carry any water, and she didn't even mention the $500,000 nor the release form in her original complaint which is hugely suspect.
 
TSCM said:
Based on the payment and release agreement, she cannot make such an argument. Especially based on this clause:

"Mr. Jackson shall render a payment made payable to you in the amount of $488,820.05 as full and final satisfaction of any all monies, known or unknown, to be owed to you by the Jackson Parties with respect to any and all agreements whether verbal or written that you may have entered into with the Jackson Parties from the beginning of time until December 27, 2007 (the "Payment")."

The June 2006 agreement that she refers to certainly falls within the "beginning of time until December 27, 2007" time frame, which she acknowledged was fully satisfied with the ~$500,000 payment regardless of any UNKNOWN monies that she would ever claim were owed; that being the success of Thriller 25, the O2 concerts, and even the catalog refinancing since that too was part of the old agreement she agreed was satisfied in full.
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thanks.
 
Wow, that payment and release statement is dangerous. I don't think I would sign such a form. But she did so she gotta live with it.
 
LisaB said:
Wow, that payment and release statement is dangerous. I don't think I would sign such a form. But she did so she gotta live with it.
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The agreements and contracts that Michael himself signed in 2006 were far more dangerous, this was a countermeasure to help ensure that she didn't abuse those agreements after being dropped from Michael's team--which she still attempted to do by selectively forgetting to mention that agreement in her complaint.
 
yeah, u can understand why MJ would protect himself. and so does anyone who would want to work with him. but, of course they sign it. it's easy to overlook stuff when such big dollar signs are in a person's fantasy..when it's Michael that the person is working with. and while people would say they would be careful, i think, humbly speaking, i wouldn't say i wouldn't be tempted. i think that's a fair thing to say, and a friendly thing to say to MJ, along with admitting that i shouldn't work with him. honestly speaking, i don't think that there are too many people who are not tempted by the BIG life.

so..i understand MJ's revolving door.
 
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