Big Update in Raymone Case! MJ Responds

[CatherineNZ]

i'm glad he's got good lawyers.
it must be so hard to know time after time that people that surrounds you betray you. even the ones you trusted most

 

[8701girl]

^ unfortnately that has been his life story!

I feel so bad for michael, it 's like an ongoing cycle that never ends for him . I hope that one day it will

 

[SoS]

key words for the bolded. 'unexpectedly, like diamonds from the sky.' this always happens with Michael. but, let's face it. a lot of the populace falls for the media gibberish about what MJ 'lacks'. and attention deficit, and loss of memory take over. every time he gets ready to do something, media comes up with a 'reason' why its not gunna go well. and lots of people fall for that. i think Raymone is one of em. i am sure she signed it, thinking MJ's gunna not do anything special. but then, special happened. it took Raymone by surpirse. and Raymone became Mr. Hyde.

and..oh..by the way, as we all know..it doesn't matter that special has happened in MJ's life again. this time around, the media jargon is..MJ's not gunna make it through fifty concerts. and, yes..a lot of people fell for it. Raymone probably thinks that, too. yet, still, fifty concerts is enough for Raymone to collect, early. maybe..in case, MJ...'doesn't make it through the fifty'.

^ I dunno Vinc, i just am still having trouble getting my mind around what she could really have been thinking because she's been working with the media too long, on the inside of the footlights, she KNOWS better because she KNOWS Michael. I am getting a different feeling about this, hard to define but I feel there's more to this than meets the eye and that is why I deleted my thoughts because its so baffling its bewildering.

She is too experienced with law and media to be willing to risk how she "looks" from a PR standpoint. What would cause her to cost herself her reputation, even if she DID have a case, which clearly she does not. She HAD to have known this agreement could and would come out.

If she's upset from a personal standpoint, it would possibly make sense that she would do this from a wharped sort of perspective...meaning to intentionally put him through all this just before his concerts JUST to pss him off, cost him money energy and time. Maybe part of what upset her is the payment release agreement itself. . . how it disclaims everything and everyone except her pets and her neighbors as if to show this was foreseen due to either a serious character flaw they noticed (like, 'caught with the hand in the cookie jar') or just MJ making a new decision and deciding at that time to expand - but could that blind her to the potential impact this could have on her future credibility? who knows. . . anyway, that's why I decided to drop it. More will come out in the wash and there is a paper trail that will tell a lot.

 

[8701girl]

true!

I've got a funny feeling shes up to something really really shady, i dont know- guess we will have 2 wait n see

 

[144000]

^ I dunno Vinc, i just am still having trouble getting my mind around what she could really have been thinking because she's been working with the media too long, on the inside of the footlights, she KNOWS better because she KNOWS Michael. I am getting a different feeling about this, hard to define but I feel there's more to this than meets the eye and that is why I deleted my thoughts because its so baffling its bewildering.

She is too experienced with law and media to be willing to risk how she "looks" from a PR standpoint. What would cause her to cost herself her reputation, even if she DID have a case, which clearly she does not. She HAD to have known this agreement could and would come out.

If she's upset from a personal standpoint, it would possibly make sense that she would do this from a wharped sort of perspective...meaning to intentionally put him through all this just before his concerts JUST to pss him off, cost him money energy and time. Maybe part of what upset her is the payment release agreement itself. . . how it disclaims everything and everyone except her pets and her neighbors as if to show this was foreseen due to either a serious character flaw they noticed (like, 'caught with the hand in the cookie jar') or just MJ making a new decision and deciding at that time to expand - but could that blind her to the potential impact this could have on her future credibility? who knows. . . anyway, that's why I decided to drop it. More will come out in the wash and there is a paper trail that will tell a lot.

well..a lot of very experienced people have blown their rep if the right buttons were pushed.(and not necessarily the MJ-did-her-wrong right buttons.) that's just it. it's easier to see a Raymone Bain as less likely to mess up..and..a Michael Jackson, to more likely mess up, for some reason, despite his record.

still, you're right about one thing. it will come out in the wash.

personally, i have no good feelings about Raymone, right now. all i see i she sees the idea of BIG MONEY, and all her credibility and supposedly cautious attitude goes right out the window, as far as i'm concerned.

 

[SoS]

^ the thing is, it may be easy for 'some people' to see MJ as one who'd mess up but I don't think that Raymone sees MJ that way - she knows that he knows they signed an agreement

it would be ludicrous of her to make that assumption - like someone to assume that Raymone, with her law background is going to get somebody to believe she didn't know what she was signing - she knows MJ has been successful in this business all his life, not just after the trial

you're right about me being right about one thing lol - it will come out in the wash

 

[144000]

^ the thing is, its easy for 'some people' to see MJ as one who'd mess up but I don't think that Raymone sees MJ that way - she knows that he knows they signed an agreement

it would be ludicrous of her to make that assumption - like someone to assume that Raymone, with her law background is going to get somebody to believe she didn't know what she was signing - she knows MJ has been successful in this business all his life, not just after the trial

you're right about me being right about one thing lol - it will come out in the wash

then why would she sue him, then?

we all know that MJ has been successful all his life. that doesn't stop quite a few self respecting people from not respecting him.

Law degrees don't stop people from being susceptible to temptation.

 

[SoS]

^ that's the 44 million dollar question and it will come out in the wash and it could be interesting

remember she brought up the ideas of what some people may be thinking and how it will be set straight in court? could it be she's looking for a platform just to blast off?

i bring it up because that comment seemed so random on her part

she's supposed to ignore what ppl think, she's a big girl

that comment was either unrelated and unprofessional, which even for some of her 'casual' ways of being would surprise me

or she's "a woman scorned" and I don't mean to imply anything other than she's a woman and she may feel 'scorned' and that being because of the same reason everyone else who he's left has felt 'scorned' - because he left them - look at how the Prince acted

it could explain the tacky way she's gone about this whole thing ...

or not

I'm wondering too many things right now as to what MJ's options might turn out to be if the judge for some reason doesn't drop this.

We really have to pray the judge will throw it out like we and Michael believe he/she should :angel:

 

[144000]

^ that's the 44 million dollar question and it will come out in the wash and it could be interesting

remember she brought up the ideas of what some people may be thinking and how it will be set straight in court? could it be she's looking for a platform just to blast off?

i bring it up because that comment seemed so random on her part

she's supposed to ignore what ppl think, she's a big girl

that comment was either unrelated and unprofessional, which even for some of her 'casual' ways of being would surprise me

or she's "a woman scorned" and I don't mean to imply anything other than she's a woman and she may feel 'scorned' and that being because of the same reason everyone else who he's left has felt 'scorned' - because he left them

maybe you're right about her being scorned. i can believe that. of course, i don't believe MJ is at fault for that.

but, the phrase that keeps coming in my head is this...

'it's outta my character. it's not like me, to do that.'

i keep feeling that's her mantra. and that's what she'll be saying to herself. but not out loud. she's too proud for that.

and many people have used that phrase that i quoted, after doing something 'out of character'. funny thing is..once we do it..it IS in our character. whether we think so, or not.

tbat's why i'm not impressed by law degrees.

we shall see..

 

[SoS]

yah we shall

meanwhile i've got to go back to staying out of this thread lol it gets more and more baffling and everytime i post i have to delete it ... to many theories running around up there

y'all have at it lol




*goes back to the fluffy stuff*

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

I can't imagine this one taking very long...if they have real evidence of a agreement and Raymone signed it as well....i don't think she stands a chance then. But what do i know, haha.

 

[Anyway]

I remember when she came on MJ's board: many people used to say she had such a bad reputation among her former collaborators and artists she worked for. Nothing less instead of relaesing real statements during the very bad times she was olny talking about herself to respond to rumors about her and her poor job, but not about MJ! After that I was like "let's wait untill she will sue MJ!" and so did many other fans.

 

[TeharaMJ]

I think Raymone thought and had a rather weak moment where she *thought* that in the light of new developments in Michael's professional life, she too has reasonable grounds to receive a stake of any profits from them. The truth of the matter is Raymone was hired to serve a certain role for a stipulated time period and once she had received renumeration for those, she is in no position to ask for anything else..for example just because she may have helped in facilitating a project which saw fruition much later after she had ceased to work for MJ.

This is what I think has happened here....and Michael's explanations for late respnse is very logical.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

What I don't get is how a woman with a JD, graduated from Georgetown University with a law degree, and is doing this now. She doesn't think that MJ's lawyers would bring into play the document that she and Michael signed? It boggles the mind, like something is missing from the puzzle. And I was never a fan of Raymone, so I'm not defending her in anyway whatsover, but I'm just not getting where she is coming from knowing her legal background.

i guess she didnt do business law lol

 

[eternitys_child]

In fact, paragraph seven of the Payment and Release Agreement, which I'll post below, makes it absolute certain that she was fully aware of the agreement and all of its terms and that she had the ability to have an independent legal counsel review the entire agreement with her. So, any such excuse that she wasn't aware of what she signed would fail in court.

"7. You acknowledge that (a) you have been represented (or had an opportunity to be represented) by independent legal counsel of Your own choice throughout all negotiations that preceded the execution of this Agreement and that you have executed this Agreement with the consent and on the advice of such independent legal counsel or waived the right to do so; (b) you have carefully and thoroughly read this Agreement in its entirety and fully understand its terms and effects, that the terms hereof are fair and reasonable; (c) you have executed this Agreement willingly and without acting under any duress; and (d) that you shall be bound hereby, in all respects."

I am not questioning the solidity of the document she signed. I am questioning if she ever bothered to read it. If she didn't read it before she signed it (which would be a pretty sorry reflection of her) she didn't see that either. I have always been a bit stunned when I have seen that language (or similar) in a legal document. It is a catch 22. If you aren't competant to read or sign it you likely would have skipped over the warning. I just can't believe she would have initiated the current law suit if she realized that a document like this signed by her existed. She may have been rushed or thought she was signing something else at the time, who knows?

There would be some real irony here if that is what happened. I mean supposedly she was signing things for Michael. Picture a stack of Michael's business and this slipped in with it. It would mean that her looseness came back to bite her instead of Michael this time.

 

[Adore]

Re: MJ appoints lawyers in Raymone Bain case

Thank God!

In regard to the case update on Jun 18... I love legal wording like "from the beginning of time", lol. So that means he doesn't owe her anything from possible debts or agreements in previous lives, either, lol

Me too. :lol: It's all so final, lol

 

[Big Apple2]

^ I dunno Vinc, i just am still having trouble getting my mind around what she could really have been thinking because she's been working with the media too long, on the inside of the footlights, she KNOWS better because she KNOWS Michael. I am getting a different feeling about this, hard to define but I feel there's more to this than meets the eye and that is why I deleted my thoughts because its so baffling its bewildering.

She is too experienced with law and media to be willing to risk how she "looks" from a PR standpoint. What would cause her to cost herself her reputation, even if she DID have a case, which clearly she does not. She HAD to have known this agreement could and would come out.

I don't know about her experience, but as for being a professional, she failed big time, when she set up that NEW website to announce her lawsuit. Real professionals don't get all EXTRA when they file a lawsuit. LOL!

As to the actual lawsuit, it sort of reminds me of a new bride signing a "Pre-Nuptual" agreement, but after the marriage goes bad, the new bride wants to RE-negoitate the terms of the pre-nup to include everything that happened financially AFTER the pre-nup was signed.

 

[Moddie777]

I don't know about Y'all but its kinds smelling like what "eightnoterojo" and "Hemlockdevi" brought out: Conspiracy? Maybe...

Is she acting alone or is there some other party or parties involved? The dollar amount she wants is over the top and very suspicious on all levels(imo).

 

[Soso Deaf]

i don't understand the bolded part. what judge? which event are you talking about? although i have to say, that that judge probably thinks what quite a few(fortunately, not all)people think. that MJ is a fruitcake, and can't be taken seriously. just because a judge sits in a high chair, doesn't mean he or she is always fair. and just because some may find it easy not to buy a conspiracy, doesn't mean it didn't happen. you've said it yourself. operations in court aren't always kosher.

when mj's lawyers all teamed up and sued him...raymone said i t was a conspiracy to push him into bankcruptcy...maybe tscm couldhelp me out w/ that one.

well IF it was true, she opened her mouth too damn fast and didn't allow his team to secure the proof they needed cus the judge didn't buy it.

how do u lose the info on this? remember he supposedly had an acount w/ monies in it to pay for things when he went to bahrain butthe accountant took it all and didn't pay a dime. the employees at the ranch etc...so he had to pay back pay plus fines from california b/c of an insurance lapse etc.....

it was a big mess that if true, could've been explosive but ray ray opened her mouth.


AHHH COZZIE I NEED MORE THAN A POWER NAP! lOL

but it was michael's guard who intercepted the summons or prevented it from beign served...i woudln't think tohme would have this info or the summons and not alert mj. unless he told frank and frank, of course, didn't pass along the message. wouldn'tbe the first time. but the whole guard issue....he was served properly w/ that one b/c it's his employee that prevented it from happening. so the tohme thing is theonly valid excuse he can present

vnc, y do u keep calling him a fruitcake? im hungry now.

i think there's a reason y she has a law degree but never practiced....some people ust get it to add to their resume.
and if she was 'scorned' then who did it to her? it seems that there's no healthy or smooth transition between managers....out w/ raymone, in w/ no one, then here's tohme, and oh wait a power struggle between him and frank, and somewhere along the line rowe pops up...it's confusing as hell and always overlapping.

like left doesn't know what right is doing. still dont make what she's doing right.

 

[big DB]

thanks for the update!

 

[AllTheLovelyFlowers]

You know, it doesn't matter if Raymone read the document or not. If she didn't, she should have. That was her responsbility. You can't claim ignorance after you sign something. As far as the law goes, when you sign a paper, you are saying you have read and understand what you are reading. In fact, this statement is usually somewheres on most documents.

Raymone can't go in that courtroom and say, "I didn't read it". The judge will laugh at her. Especially being that she herself is a lawyer.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

I still miss the point of the Raymones efforts!
She cant be so naive and unprofessional that does know that she signed some Agreement with some particular subject matter and rules, and despite of that she would risk any failure at court...!!!

there is something wrong...

You cant do PR without the will-ingness of the employer=Michael Jackson!
I think she tried to do the best SHE could!

Look at the other so called manageres! They were fired throughout a few moths!
Bain was with Michael almost 3 years! So I dont think she was to be underrated.

 

[SoS]

"she didn't know what she was signing" is not going to explain why she went forward with this suit after receiving nearly a half mil -

she knew she signed something when she got that check, she knew it because she signed it

does anyone think maybe she didn't read the check before she signed it?

whether she ever practiced law or not,

common sense would force her to review every document before going forward with a lawsuit

if she didn't read it before she signed it, surely she read it before she decided to sue

she would do that just to review the solidity of her case

she may not have practiced law but she's done enough to demonstrate that she knows that "ignorance is no excuse" - she already knows that - something else is afoot, that's what i say

"conspirators" hm - maybe - if she along with someone else felt that certain people would cooperate with nulling and voiding that agreement - like maybe make it "dissappear" perhaps?

she's making it look like she had other "plans" for how that 44 mil would find its way to her door and that those plans may have backfired

its easy enough to let the law handle it and let time take its course - its just such an intriguing mystery

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I still miss the point of the Raymones efforts!
She cant be so naive and unprofessional that does know that she signed some Agreement with some particular subject matter and rules, and despite of that she would risk any failure at court...!!!

there is something wrong...

You cant do PR without the will-ingness of the employer=Michael Jackson!
I think she tried to do the best SHE could!

Look at the other so called manageres! They were fired throughout a few moths!
Bain was with Michael almost 3 years! So I dont think she was to be underrated.

well its not like you would support mj. its always his fault. i guess it was mjs fault she was sat in the bar drinking and smoking when she should have been doing damage control cause at the wmas

 

[michaelsson]

shes a fool for signing it whether read or not,my black ass wouldnt have signed it lol

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

well its not like you would support mj. its always his fault. i guess it was mjs fault she was sat in the bar drinking and smoking when she should have been doing damage control cause at the wmas

Definitely I am not one-sided!
Its the same, like Michael "thought" that the 7 million dollars from prince of bahrain had been just a gift, or March Schaffel didnt get money for Michael for recording a song that had never been released... because Michael missed the fact that Schaffel was a gay producer...

You are biased..., I want to see the verdict based on facts!

 

[144000]

there are some that keep saying they can't imagine Raymone not watching her own back. well folks..this is the era of impatience.

this is the era of catch 22 documents. this is the era of people doing anything for money, from taking steroids to making them better in sports for the millions in money, to overlooking documents, because they don't have the time for the 'perfect document'. this is an impatient society. and Michael's money is very alluring.

i have seen so many documents that are catch 22...even ones for entering contests. but after awhile, it's hard to keep waiting for the perfect opportunity, featuring the perfect document. couple with that, the bad economy. Raymone must be thinking her clock is running out. Michael is the ideal opportunity. time for her to be an opportunist. damn the details. we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

i still don't see why it's impossible to believe Raymone could slip up. i have no trouble believing that. there's too much attention deficit in society today. people don't wanna wait. we all know it's true. and we all know that money is too tight, in society, today, for people to use their better judgement, on more than one occasion. they want the money. and they want it now. that's the way it is, today. and i truly believe Raymone is susceptible to that. and it's enough for her to read a document of that nature...and sign it anyway...without duress.

people keep sayin they would be careful...but be honest. how do you know how you will be when the BIG money is right in your face, in today's economy?

it's like sayin you won't be caught in MJ's aura..only to find out you were caught off guard, when you were in his presence.

lol..cmon...we do know how most of us feel about money, in today's economy.

i dare say Raymone is like that. forget about her brains. it's the economy, mannnnn. lol

and so so def..i never called MJ a fruitcake. i accused others of doing that. lol. what they regard as 'fruitcake' mentality, i regard as essential survival mentality. i think MJ's mentality is a good thing. lol.

but i advise you..fruitcake is not good to eat. lol. be careful

 

[SoS]

she is suing him

she knows what documents exist

she knows she got a check

she knows there was a release that went with it

whether she ever read it or not

 

[elusive moonwalker]

You are biased.

and so are you lol at least i base being baised on actual facts on the cases im biased in. u do just do it so u can blame mj for everything, u posts are always the same. do u bother to read court documents or motions.

Its the same, like Michael "thought" that the 7 million dollars from prince of bahrain had been just a gift,

well i uf u had followed the case thats exactly what the prince said they were to mj and others.

 

[Big Apple2]

You are biased..., I want to see the verdict based on facts!

PLEASE! What facts?

The fact that she signed that agreement and cashed that check. Or that she thought the signing of that document wasn't important enough to mention in her initial filing.