Xscape General Discussion

Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

It's Michael Jackson's peak. Whether we like it or not. The Thriller era will never be topped. That doesn't mean his work wasn't as good, but it just didn't raise the bar in the way Thriller did which is completely understandable. You have to consider what Thriller did for MJ and music in whole to realise why people only look at Thriller. It's not important now. What's important right now is us getting behind Xscape and promoting the crap out of this great great album and getting a bit of MJ love in the charts again.

It was his commercial peak. It was the peak for Music industry. Michael Jackson's peak was 1988-1993. Dangerous & History albums. That was his real peak, artistically, musically, creatively.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I can understand someone is praising the new music they done for Love, I can understand the praise for production, praise for turning the 1-track Demo in full song. But why praise the vocals as classic MJ and the best on the album. We all heard the vocals and majority of us heard the vocals from others song. The fact is Love vocals are neither the best, neither one of the best, neither classic MJ. It can only be classic MJ vocals for a Demo tape.

Whoa whoa whoa, who said that Love had the best vocals on the album? No one did. They simply said it was "classic MJ," and it is.

Honestly, now that I've had time to process it, I prefer Love Never Felt So Good to debut over any other song on the album. It's old school, which is perfect for the charts, and it has a vocal performance that is just beautiful. The rest of the album has gritty vocals after gritty vocals; we don't hear moments of tenderness like this often. Whether or not you like the release, there isn't a better song for them to choose as far as charts go.

Also, your past claim that people only like the album because it's Thriller era MJ is ridiculous. When the title track of Xscape leaked (or, rather, was found by most news websites), numerous articles called it one of the best Michael Jackson songs in a long time. DYKWYCA continues to see acclaim for its chorus. She Was Loving Me apparently is a current, explosive song with incredible vocals. You aren't giving anyone or anything enough credit.

It was his commercial peak. It was the peak for Music industry. Michael Jackson's peak was 1988-1993. Dangerous & History albums. That was his real peak, artistically, musically, creatively.

Subjective. While I find his peak to be HIStory and Blood on the Dance Floor, other people don't want to hear political songs and anti tabloid songs. I recently met a guy who loved Michael up until Dangerous, and afterwards got sick of him because of the tabloid bashing he kept doing. It's a very understandable argument and, while I don't agree with it, others do. Some people may think Michael's peak was with Bad.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I can understand someone is praising the new music they done for Love, I can understand the praise for production, praise for turning the 1-track Demo into a full song. But why praise the vocals as classic MJ and the best on the album. We all heard the vocals and majority of us heard the vocals from other songs. The fact is Love vocals are neither the best, neither one of the best, neither classic MJ. It can only be classic MJ vocals for a Demo tape.

For those of you who don't know what the demo is and often misuse the term:

"A demo version, also called a sample version (sometimes shortened to demo or sample) of a song is one recorded for reference rather than for release. A demo is a way for a musician to approximate their ideas in a fixed format (tape, disc, or increasingly, digital audio files) and provide an example of those ideas to record labels, producers or other artists. Musicians often use demos as quick sketches to share with bandmates or arrangers or simply for personal reference during the songwriting process; in other cases a songwriter might make a demo to send to artists in hopes of having the song professionally recorded"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demo_(music)

The main part:

"having the song professionally recorded"

So Slave To The Rhythm, Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Chicago, Blue Gangsta, A Place With No Name & Xscape are not Demos. We are not getting the demos on Deluxe, we are getting the original versions (outtakes, professionally recorded in professional studios).

I think you are reading things into that tweet that are not there. He did not say it was MJ's best. He did not say it's the best vocals on the album. He just said it's classic MJ because of the OTW-Thriller era disco feel. Whether we like it or not to most people OTW-Thriller era MJ is the "classic MJ". Not necessarily fair, but it's what it is. And he did not say "OMG it's the best song on the album with the best vocals!" He just said it's classic because it reminds in style of MJ's classic era. That's all.

Yes, there is a narrow-mindedness in the general public concerning everything post-Thriller and that is frustrating, but I find that sometimes fans counter that with trying to play down OTW and Thriller and that era and sound and act like it's an insult if someone prefers that. That's not a good attitude either, IMO.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Subjective. While I find his peak to be HIStory and Blood on the Dance Floor, other people don't want to hear political songs and anti tabloid songs. I recently met a guy who loved Michael up until Dangerous, and afterwards got sick of him because of the tabloid bashing he kept doing. It's a very understandable argument and, while I don't agree with it, others do. Some people may think Michael's peak was with Bad.

Majority of History (except Jam and Lewis tracks & R Kelly track) and whole BOTDF is from the time period I mentioned. It was his creative and artistic peak, no matter what people say (They Don't Care About Us, Who Is It, Earth Song, Will You Be There, Stranger In Moscow, Blood On The Dance Floor, Jam, Is It Scary, Ghosts, Money, Give In To Me, Black Or White, Heal The World...)
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Honestly, BAD25 WAS a crappy release:

The original album was mastered horribly, all dynamics were gone. Awful listen.

The mastering was awful. Not done with care. The special edition of 2001 was under Michael's supervision it was good compared to the vinyl '87 release.

The concert was unwatchable and badly mixed. The surround audio was poorly done and was almost an insult to David Powell, who recorded this song.

Really? I mean really? You have MICHAEL JACKSON performing the funk out of Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and you call that unwatchable & complain about sound quality.

You look at MICHAEL JACKSON doing unearthly, spectacular, peformance of Man In The Mirror and worry about things like this???

I watch it & lifts me out of my body and soul and puts me on another plane that is out of this world and makes me fell sorry for all those that cannot experience it. The words 'surround audio' do not feature in my psyche at this moment in time.

Perhaps some of you listen to music with the ear of a sound specialist too much?

Me? I listen to MJ with my soul. :beach:

Exactly, if God wanted us to worry about things like the above he'd had given us dolby instead of a heart.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Really? I mean really? You have MICHAEL JACKSON performing the funk out of Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and you call that unwatchable & complain about sound quality.

You look at MICHAEL JACKSON doing unearthly, spectacular, peformance of Man In The Mirror and worry about things like this???

VHS. And a poor one.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Really? I mean really? You have MICHAEL JACKSON performing the funk out of Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and you call that unwatchable & complain about sound quality.

You look at MICHAEL JACKSON doing unearthly, spectacular, peformance of Man In The Mirror and worry about things like this???

I watch it & lifts me out of my body and soul and puts me on another plane that is out of this world and makes me fell sorry for all those that cannot experience it. The words 'surround audio' do not feature in my psyche at this moment in time.



Exactly, if God wanted us to worry about things like the above he'd had given us dolby instead of a heart.

I love the way you underline your perspective! Great man!
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

lnfsg classic mj? no, it's classic Anka.

mj would have never released a song like lnfsg. (in demo state)
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

lnfsg classic mj? no, it's classic Anka.

mj would have never released a song like lnfsg. (in demo state)

It's not the point that it is in demo state. MJ is not here to re-record it. It's the best they have. Also Hollywood Tonight and Behind the Mask were both demos and they were singles. But Hollywood was the best song from that album. Also that album had much weaker song selection than this one has. The point is why choose that song to be the 1st single and to represent the whole album.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I disagree with Thriller being Michael's peak, as said, commercial wise, yes. In terms of song content and creativity, Thriller is FAR from being his peak. And that isn't subjective, what's subjective is what people rather opt to hear or not, whether they want to hear Michael sing about love and girlfriends, and Thriller nights and gang fights or hear his political side and the songs about saving the world we live in. I think it's more of a fact that Michael evolved after Thriller, he got more bold, his songs became more gritty, and he and his music became more in tune with the issues we've faced as a people during that time, and what he was going through, whether one wants to hear it or not is a different story. But he evolved after Thriller and topped what he had been doing previously, artistically, that isn't subjective.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I disagree with Thriller being Michael's peak, as said, commercial wise, yes. In terms of song content and creativity, Thriller is FAR from being his peak. And that isn't subjective, what's subjective is what people rather opt to hear or not, whether they want to hear Michael sing about love and girlfriends, and Thriller nights and gang fights or hear his political side and the songs about saving the world we live in. I think it's more of a fact that Michael evolved after Thriller, he got more bold, his songs became more gritty, and he and his music became more in tune with the issues we've faced as a people during that time, and what he was going through, whether one wants to hear it or not is a different story. But he evolved after Thriller and topped what he had been doing previously, artistically, that isn't subjective.

Amen.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I disagree with Thriller being Michael's peak, as said, commercial wise, yes. In terms of song content and creativity, Thriller is FAR from being his peak. And that isn't subjective, what's subjective is what people rather opt to hear or not, whether they want to hear Michael sing about love and girlfriends, and Thriller nights and gang fights or hear his political side and the songs about saving the world we live in. I think it's more of a fact that Michael evolved after Thriller, he got more bold, his songs became more gritty, and he and his music became more in tune with the issues we've faced as a people during that time, and what he was going through, whether one wants to hear it or not is a different story. But he evolved after Thriller and topped what he had been doing previously, artistically, that isn't subjective.

Yes, but that does not mean we have to try to bash everything Thriller-era or the fact that many people like that era. Like I said sometimes it feels like some fans are so frustrated by the general public's hype of Thriller era that they go to the other extreme and try to play down everything Thriller and are even hostile to everything Thriller era.

ALL eras are Michael! He was OTW and Thriller era just as much as he was Dangerous and HIStory era. As long as someone likes MJ does it matter whether he or she prefers Thriller or HIStory?

I like all of his eras almost equally. I love that he was so versatile that all of his albums are different musically, thematically, in mood. But exactly because he is so versatile some people like a certain era but not so much another era of his. Thriller and OTW are the most popular because light, fun songs are generally more accessible to the general public than political and more heavy songs. It doesn't mean Thriller is his best but in a way it's natural that it's his most popular album.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

It's not the point that it is in demo state. MJ is not here to re-record it. It's the best they have. Also Hollywood Tonight and Behind the Mask were both demos and they were singles. But Hollywood was the best song from that album. Also that album had much weaker song selection than this one has. The point is why choose that song to be the 1st single and to represent the whole album.

the HT demo was already fkn strong, therefore it was ok finalizing it. but lnfsg is already weak, dated + demo. that's not classic mj. mj was all about strong vocals, beats and full of energy... therefore i don't get why they call it classic mj.

but hey, i hope for a surprise. at least they try hard to make it sound good.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

The Thriller period is actually much better than his later years in several ways, as far as I'm concerned. Of course Michael's music only got more daring and did get much better artistically, but he stopped singing in his calm, free flowing voice, and replaced it with the grit. I enjoy it, but I would be lying if I didn't say that every once in a while I would have liked to hear something like For All Time or Someone Put Your Hand Out on an official album.

Majority of History (except Jam and Lewis tracks & R Kelly track) and whole BOTDF is from the time period I mentioned. It was his creative and artistic peak, no matter what people say (They Don't Care About Us, Who Is It, Earth Song, Will You Be There, Stranger In Moscow, Blood On The Dance Floor, Jam, Is It Scary, Ghosts, Money, Give In To Me, Black Or White, Heal The World...)

I agree with you fully. But the bolded section is very close minded. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and some people won't agree with you. As I stated, I know people who listen to Michael's latter day music, but still prefer his '70s and '80s recordings. "No matter what people say" implies that your opinion is stated as fact, and that's ridiculous.

VHS. And a poor one.

It was still the concert we wanted. And I'll be damned if this VHS isn't one of the best I've ever seen, especially considering it is twenty four years old and has probably been watched dozens of times. Of course the estate could have done better with the mixing, but as a whole, it's a fine product.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Thriller will never be topped when it comes to sales, but when it comes creativity and artistry Thriller was topped with Bad, Dangerous, HIStory and Blood On The Dance Floor.

Of course. I prefer those albums, probably with Thriller and Off the Wall being my least favourite MJ albums.
 
I don't want to sound like an moron, but...didn´t the Estate said, that they only will release songs from the period 1990-2000?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Really? I mean really? You have MICHAEL JACKSON performing the funk out of Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Billie Jean, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' and you call that unwatchable & complain about sound quality.

You look at MICHAEL JACKSON doing unearthly, spectacular, peformance of Man In The Mirror and worry about things like this???

I watch it & lifts me out of my body and soul and puts me on another plane that is out of this world and makes me fell sorry for all those that cannot experience it. The words 'surround audio' do not feature in my psyche at this moment in time.



Exactly, if God wanted us to worry about things like the above he'd had given us dolby instead of a heart.


Amen brother! :bow:
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I can understand someone is praising the new music they done for Love, I can understand the praise for production, praise for turning the 1-track Demo into a full song. But why praise the vocals as classic MJ and the best on the album. We all heard the vocals and majority of us heard the vocals from other songs. The fact is Love vocals are neither the best, neither one of the best, neither classic MJ. It can only be classic MJ vocals for a Demo tape.
What's wrong with the downmixed tape? (btw, it's 2 tracks)
When there's no multitrack existing they have to use the downmixed working tape.


It is. (...............along with Xscape and the other 6 songs) :naughty:
are you allowed to post ":naughty:"?
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

The only reason I'd disagree for releasing LNFSG as the first single, (if true the the Estate decided to do so) is because in Michael's previous single releases he chose a composition of his represent the albums. Why not doing the same with Xscape? I'd rather prefer the song Xscape or DYKWYCA since those are stronger tracks.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

I feel like some fans are so upset at how under appreciated Michaels later work is, that they take it out on Thriller and the albums that the general public loves.

Some of you even going as far as to act like those albums aren't incredible works of art, which is astounding to me.

Did his later work often have a more important message lyrically? Yeah, sure, but thats not all music is about.

Miles Davis never said a damn word, but that doesn't mean he wasn't creating masterpieces.

Why is a song about love not as valid as a song against hate? Love and happiness are some of the most beautiful things in the world, and noone expressed those feelings and those emotions better than Michael.

It's an amazing thing when one album can bring the entire world together, and thats exactly what Thriller did. You can take that album deep into the heart of the jungle and play it for an african tribe and I bet they'd know the freaking words to damn near every song ahahah

If you really love Michael you should love and be a fan of all of his work.

also on the topic of LNFSG

none of us have heard the final version, and all of the reviews are overwhelmingly positive, and I think we all know if the song WASN'T good the media would have no problem at all tearing it to shreds, so the fact that they are saying good things is a very good sign IMO.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

the HT demo was already fkn strong, therefore it was ok finalizing it. but lnfsg is already weak, dated + demo. that's not classic mj. mj was all about strong vocals, beats and full of energy... therefore i don't get why they call it classic mj.

but hey, i hope for a surprise. at least they try hard to make it sound good.

Hollywood Demo is weak. In the final album mix, the instrumental for the MOST PART was stronger. The vocals were fuller, weather you want to admit it or not.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Complaining about the Wembley DVD quality here...

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Back to the topic, it gives me the impression people in general (not all fortunately) prefer shallow or lighter songs than listening about what occurs in the world we live in. If the Estate decides releasing radio friendly track to represent the album, it'd mean they want to appeal the masses in a shallow way.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

The only reason I'd disagree for releasing LNFSG as the first single, (if true the the Estate decided to do so) is because in Michael's previous single releases he chose a composition of his represent the albums. Why not doing the same with Xscape? I'd rather prefer the song Xscape or DYKWYCA since those are stronger tracks.

Love Never Felt So Good is composition of his. 50% just like Xscape, Scream or You Rock My World.
 
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| HEARING the ALBUM #XSCAPE in BRAZIL-PART 1/2 |


The mjBeats was there!

Yesterday (day 28) was a rush for administrators of mjBeats! Just like in other countries, the Brazilian #XSCAPE album hearing was marked by surprise ... and for the next day!

The event happened today in São Paulo, at the Museum of image and Sound in São Paulo (MIS) at 12:40-there was a delay of 40 min-, with the presence of international marketing representative from Sony, the Vice President of Sony Music II, the President of Sony Music Brazil (Alexandre Schiavo), as well as journalists of the leading Brazilian media vehicles, such as Globe, UOL, Terra, sheet and associated press. We, the Beats, we had two representatives there.

The security procedure is very strong! All phones, smartphones, electronics etc. were retained in the entry, all to avoid any possibility of leak of the album (note that there are only 2 weeks for the release and didn't leak anything till now! o/).

To give an idea, not even the President of Sony Music Brazil had access to the album. He came in a pre-recorded XPERIA Z2 in the hands of the Vice President of Sony Music worldwide.

The presentation of the album happened associated to the smartphone XPERIA Z2, Sony Mobile. And, at any given time, the company representative spoke about the advantages of this launch, in the sense of having attached all sectors of Sony (Pictures, Music, Mobile, etc.) to the disclosure of the record.

It was revealed that the XPERIA Z2 will come with "Slave To The Rhythm" pre-recorded (but the rest of the album need to be downloaded by an application, for free). Also confirmed that the release of the album in Brazil will be on May 13 (physical and digital editions).

The album was presented on standard Edition (i.e. 8 songs) and just start "Love Never Felt So Good" that the excitement was left clear on the faces of everyone present. Many even risked a few steps on different tracks, highlighting that the 8 tracks unanimously pleased.

The songs ... hmm, WE LOVE! We are sure that the other Brazilian fans will be so excited about! The feeling of nostalgia that this album features from the first chord of "Love Never Felt So Good" and lasts until the last second of the "Xscape"-and, in the end, what persists is the overwhelming need for more and more of that voice that we love so much.

"Xscape" does not seem a common album, is as a collection of hits! All songs are real bombs, restless and ideal for the dance floor. The 8 (Yes, all!) are potential hits.

Everything seems to have been planned by millimeters to please the fans. The dedication of LA Reid (Executive producer) and the other involved is such that makes us feel the presence of Michael. Its essence is there, like the albums released during his lifetime.

It shows the attention that was given to the vocals, especially by several moments when the songs are a cappella or with just the featured voice.

In short, our ' #XSCAPE ' experience could be summed up in one word: Catharsis. Listen to "Xscape" is to undergo eight times to a boom of emotions and, although such beauties remind us how much MJ do, the feelings of pride and joy go far beyond! Michael continues to live in each of us and the ' new music ' just reaffirm that certainty.

We're already making the part 2 of the review, with the music in music analysis. For that, we are crossing the impressions of our representatives about each one of them.

Source : https://www.facebook.com/mjbeats
 
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Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Perhaps some of you listen to music with the ear of a sound specialist too much?

Me? I listen to MJ with my soul. :beach:

Thanks. I listen to enjoy the music, not to dissect the technical aspects of the sound lol
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

In regards to LNFSG. I thought LA had the MULTI TRACKS, for every song on the album. Wasn;t that one of the "rules" for the song selection? I doubt that the version of vocals on the new version will be the same as the ones on the leaked version.

Once again giving off the impression that MJ's best work was from the Thriller era. When that (IMO) is not true. Also going by reviews I've read a lot of people are saying that Do You Know Where Your Children Are is the best song on the album

I have read that a lot too. But its really down to each individual listener to decided that for themselves.

Sorry, but that is not exactly good equipment.

If you have full range speakers (can be floorstanders or bookshelf speakers), combined with a receiver or amp with a high quality DAC (digital to analog converter), you'll notice things that you've never heard before. And that's not all, when you'll listen to high resolution audio on this equipment, words can not describe what you're feeling on that moment...

That's the closest you can get to hear what the artist and engineers heard in the studio.

I do have floor standing speakers. I have a pair of Jamos. I would like very much to upgrade to something along the lines of what you mention here. Would you recommend any particular makes or models?

Hollywood Demo is weak. In the final album mix, the instrumental for the MOST PART was stronger. The vocals were fuller, weather you want to admit it or not.

I agree and disagree here. Yeah, the demo was a bit weak. But the album mix is not better. Its naff, corny and totally takes away from the story of the song. Making everything seem all good when its clearly not. Riley ruined it. The fan made versions are the best of HT.
 
Re: News and discussion about new MJ album : Xscape, May 13, 2014.

Complaining about the Wembley DVD quality here...

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Back to the topic, it gives me the impression people in general (not all fortunately) prefer shallow or lighter songs than listening about what occurs in the world we live in. If the Estate decides releasing radio friendly track to represent the album, it'd mean they want to appeal the masses in a shallow way.

It's not about the simplicity of the lyrics, it's not about radio friendly or not and it's not about the shallowness of the people. It's about the quality of vocal performance and unfinished lyrics. If the song was complete (lyrically) then it would be completely different story and we could talk about all other things. All I'm saying (and some others) that there are 7 songs with stronger, better and complete vocals on that record from which they could have chosen the first single.
 
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