When do you think Michael and Lisa last spoke?

[Shamonee]

I'm busy atm but will quote properly when I have the chance - I'm on a shared PC you see.

 

[mjjfan4ever]

^@mjjfan4ever - Yeah, it really aggravates me that Lisa had to get all defensive in interviews and couldn't just shoot down the interviewer by saying 'Yes, I loved him' and leave it at that. For a woman who gives off such a strong vibe, she sure caved when those questions were asked. It's like she said what Diane wanted to hear rather than what she really felt.

People saying they broke up in '99... how could Lisa continue a relationship with him when he was married and raising kids with someone else? Again, for such a 'strong woman', that's pretty cowardly. Why would she not put her foot down and make Michael choose at that point?

I have respect for Lisa and would never say anything hurtful about her personally as I don't know her. Just sharing an opinion.

you know that is an interesting point. b/c i feel like mj love lisa b/c she had the "not taking **it from anybody" attitude. i think in their relationship she was strong and didn't allow mj to do as he pleased.
she herself was saying "i do what i want, no one can influence me" kinda thing.... then in these series of interviews she looks like she is a "deer caught in a headlight"... "saying things that mj haters wanted to hear".....
i was originally like....yea... "she ain't taking crap"... a strong woman wow...

then i was like :bugeyed what tha heck happened to YOU??? and u hating on MJ :bugeyed LOL.

 

[mjjfan4ever]

and again, i blame the press, and everyone who was around them for the failure in their marriage.

yea.... i think the whole media/tabloids are the "spawn of lucifer"......

I don't hate too many things in life.... rarely hate or have disgust for such things... BUT THE WAY OUR PRESS / WORLD PRESS and JOURNALISTS treated MJ????

i hope they rot in hell. :agree:

not catholic. if there is purgatory .... NO purgatory for you !!! got straight to lucifer.:bugeyed sorry.... LOL.

 

[dori727]

I know. But simply a womb or not, he still MARRIED her. In other words, she still held the same position as Lisa once did. She still lived at Neverland. She still had regular contact with the children, still raised the kids with Michael. That's still a pretty intimate thing to share with someone. I don't see how Lisa could at all be comfortable or understanding of that. If Debbie really was JUST a womb, then she wouldn't have still been there after the kids were born. Michael really would have made that line very clear. That's my feeling.

this goes back to how obsess Lisa was with Michael. And it has been clear a bunch of times that Katherine MADE michael marry Debbie. If Michael would have not married debbie, then we probably would have never heard about her existence the way we don't know who is the mother of blanket. Lisa knew this, and so did Debbie because she herself said she was ok about Lisa and Michael in africa together and she knew about it the whole time, that michael never lied to her about that. So debbie knew where she belonged in Michael's heart, and probably knew she wouldn't have been known if he would have never married him. No women in the right mind, if your husband really did marry you for you will allow her husband to go across the country with his recent ex-wife and HER kids. Debiie knew her spot, and respected it. Sheknew she was just a surrogate, and probably so did Lisa. And also, it has been claimed that on that trip katherine and joe assisted, and also that Michael went around introducing Lisa as his beautiful wife.

 

[VanX]

this goes back to how obsess Lisa was with Michael. And it has been clear a bunch of times that Katherine MADE michael marry Debbie. If Michael would have not married debbie, then we probably would have never heard about her existence the way we don't know who is the mother of blanket. Lisa knew this, and so did Debbie because she herself said she was ok about Lisa and Michael in africa together and she knew about it the whole time, that michael never lied to her about that. So debbie knew where she belonged in Michael's heart, and probably knew she wouldn't have been known if he would have never married him. No women in the right mind, if your husband really did marry you for you will allow her husband to go across the country with his recent ex-wife and HER kids. Debiie knew her spot, and respected it. Sheknew she was just a surrogate, and probably so did Lisa. And also, it has been claimed that on that trip katherine and joe assisted, and also that Michael went around introducing Lisa as his beautiful wife.

Well I don't think Debbie knew her place. A surrogate gives birth to the baby and then leaves. That didn't at all happen with her. And now she wants access to the kids? That's more than a surrogate. I think Debbie just put up with it because she wanted more from Michael. So if the only way she could be close with him was through the kids, then she was gonna deal with whatever it took. But Lisa... I'm surprised that Lisa didn't put her foot down. There was still another woman living in his house and raising the children. Whatever. I'm enjoying this discussion! So interesting.

 

[dori727]

Well I don't think Debbie knew her place. A surrogate gives birth to the baby and then leaves. That didn't at all happen with her. And now she wants access to the kids? That's more than a surrogate. I think Debbie just put up with it because she wanted more from Michael. So if the only way she could be close with him was through the kids, then she was gonna deal with whatever it took. But Lisa... I'm surprised that Lisa didn't put her foot down. There was still another woman living in his house and raising the children. Whatever. I'm enjoying this discussion! So interesting.

LOL :hysterical: it is an interesting discussion! haha even though i shouldn't because whatever happened is lisa's and michaels private business, this discussion makes me want to go to LA, find Lisa and interview her myself and be like "ok, now what exactly happened between you two? lol anything goes, no limits, what happened? And see, it was harder of Debbie to leave because she was married to michael. and idk, i guess to Lisa it wasn't that bad, i mean in africa she was with katherine and joe, not Debbie. Actually, debbie was never presented to Katherine or joe before Michael's death. Apparently Michael wanted Lisa there representing him, not Debbie.

 

[dori727]

and also, who said Lisa didn't say anything about Debbie? Michael and Lisa had been sort of dating up to 1999, and that's around the time Michael divorced Debbie. Maybe left Debbie for lisa? like alright, i had kids, now back to you. l o l .

 

[elmari]

I think we might be getting into sticky territory with what is being discussed right now. I remember on our other MJ/LM thread, things were getting heated about the MJ/LM/DR situation and then our thread was poofed because mods thought we got too invasive. Just wanted to point that out so that it doesn't happen again w/ this thread.

All I know is that Michael looked head over heels in love with Lisa Marie when with her and vice versa. To me he never looked at DR the way he did at Lisa. They didn't even look like a couple, really. My belief is that DR had a purpose for Michael and that was to bear him children because Lisa would not. She had P&P and then Michael divorced her in 1999. The babies were still babies. I think pressure from his family (esp mother) made Michael marry DR. Wasn't she already pregnant when they wed? I don't doubt that Michael loved DR also, but he loved her as a friend and was not in love with her. It's clear that Michael was still in love with LM when married to DR. Michael was still seen holding her hand tightly when out in public with her after the divorce and married to DR. They were photographed intimately (kissing through the mask and holding each other's faces) when he took her out for her bday in 98. If he was in love with Debbie, he would not be acting like that with LM. This isn't a case of 'I heard this. . .' or 'someone told me that. .', but there is actually photographic evidence of a continuing relationship btw MJ and LM long after their divorce and when he was married to Debbie.

Also, wasn't Michael on his world tour for the majority of his marriage to DR? I know she would go and visit him for some shows, but so did Lisa. It just appears to me that Michael wasn't around very much. So DR could have been living at NL, though I heard that she was not, but Michael was out of the country.

Look, in hindsight the situation was just totally messed up. But it gave Michael his greatest joy, so I'm not gonna stress out on the details to try to prove my point of view. Just sad that Michael didn't have children with a woman that he was in love with.

Also, I'm thinking from a PR standpoint here. . . what if we knew nothing about DR and Michael just suddenly had some babies? I can see the media twisting and turning everything because of the mystery around that. By DR becoming a public figure, everyone can't question where the babies came from and who the mother was. . . unlike with lil B.

Just my opinion everyone!

 

[Shamonee]

sorry a little off topic here but could someone give a link to mjs interview with TV GUIDE? I never seen it before

If someone could find me the link to the LIFE MAG interview that would be great, too.

thank you.. that's all i am saying. i understand we are all human. we make mistakes. i don't hate her, judge her (i don't think i do)... but I am going to have an opinion about it. my opinion can be way or base or not it is mine.
marriages fail and succeed based on the respect, love, compatibility, ...so on from both parties. i believe they both had they play in its demise.
but no one is going to convince me otherwise that the series of interviews she gave was supportive or helpful to michael. therefore i would have a negative view of her.

i don't hate her. i don't think their marriage was a sham.

so every time i watch DS interview i want to reach through the screen and slap Diane first,..... MICHAEL JACKSON?? ??? ??? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
whatever!
lastly, here is an excerpt of the interview below. it was too long so the few statements that really bothered me i put in this thread. but you can read the who interview yourself.

what does ..... at the time mean? 1993 extortion- "it was very convincing and i believed him at the time??????

nuff said.

http://lisamarie.at.infoseek.co.jp/lisa-DianeSawyer2003.htm

Diane Sawyer: By the time Lisa Marie Presley married Michael Jackson, Jackson reportedly had been treated for addiction to painkillers. He was also under siege. He had been investigated for child molestation with a 12-year-old boy. Jackson settled a civil suit with the family reportedly for millions of dollars and his camp implied he was the victim of extortion.

Lisa Marie Presley: Um, let me, let me now ... I've been trying to go through this. I haven't thought much about this, what I was going to say and I just figured it would fly out of my mouth. Okay, first of all, he was very quick to ... the first time I met him, sit me down and go, "Listen, I'm not gay. I know you think this, I know you think that", and he started cursing and started, you know, being a normal person. And I was like, "Wow!" So I get caught up in that I'm pulled in right away. Like, "Wow, you're so misunderstood. Oh my God, you're this guy." I fell into this whole, "You poor, sweet misunderstood thing, I'm going to save you." I fell into that. I fell in love with him, I did.


Lisa Marie Presley: Yes, I fell in love at the time. Now ...

Diane Sawyer: Sexual attraction?

Lisa Marie Presley: I told you everything I said was the truth.

Diane Sawyer: Sexual attraction?

Lisa Marie Presley: At the time. Yeah.

Lisa Marie Presley: I was already friends with him, there was already some romantic stuff going on a little bit before that happened. So it was like, I was already like, you know, I was the only one he would be calling so I felt all privileged and, you know, that he was trusting me and telling me what happened and it was very convincing and I believed him, at the time.

ROFL I feel your pain :better: But could you blame her for saying these things? I personally think she said this all uncontrollably perhaps? She was constantly under media scrunity ever since she married Michael and I believe this must have tired her out/fustrated her a lot, to the extent that she no longer controlled what she said. My opinion.

 

[JaneBender]

Shamonee: Which Life Mag interview.. I'll see if I have it...

 

[Shamonee]

^ The one where he says that she said she wishes the children (P, P, B) were hers after she saw them...

 

[dori727]

it is sort of a sticky situation that we are getting ourselves into, but at the same tim no one is saying that this or this happened. We are just giving our opinions and what could have possibly happened. And i do agree with you that Michael was head over heals over Lisa and vice versa. and here are the pics to the day Michael took lisa out to dinner for her birthday while married to Debbie. Mods, if this by anychance upsets any of you or violates anything then i'm sorry, that was not my intention. Please don't delete the thread, just let me know and i'll immediately take out the post.

 

[mjjfan4ever]

If someone could find me the link to the LIFE MAG interview that would be great, too.




ROFL I feel your pain :better: But could you blame her for saying these things? I personally think she said this all uncontrollably perhaps? She was constantly under media scrunity ever since she married Michael and I believe this must have tired her out/fustrated her a lot, to the extent that she no longer controlled what she said. My opinion.

let me say I TOTALLY VALUE your opinion. I do. i would disagree. i guess i don't want to be like "your were under this sort of pressure.... its ok to use mj as a scapegoat?
we can agree to disagree. but i do value your and anyone's else opinion. i think you won't change my mind and i won't change your mind. thats ok.
LOL!!!!

 

[dori727]

i couldnt find the life magazine interview but i found this...

TV Guide: OK, well, now that you bring up Lisa Marie, I read that you said she regrets not having had your son and that she may still want to have a child with you . Is that true?
Michael: Well, I remember that's how she felt at the time. [Laughs] No matter what I say, I'm in trouble with this question - the next issue [of TV Guide] will probably say, "Well, Lisa said she doesn't ever want to see him again!"
TV Guide: Are you two friends now?
Michael: Lisa's sweet. I like her very much, and we are friends. And who knows what tomorrow brings? I have no idea how she feels today. I'll just say that. She comes to my house and sees the children [from Jackson's second marriage, to Debbie Rowe, whom he wed in November 1996 and who filed for divorce in October 1999], and we talk on the phone, that sort of thing.

 

[JaneBender]

Any woman who can kiss this man in public with his mask on gets kudos from me. To me is shows she understood him, which is why I think he loved her so much. I think these pics are the cutest.

 

[VanX]

All I know is that Michael looked head over heels in love with Lisa Marie when with her and vice versa. To me he never looked at DR the way he did at Lisa. They didn't even look like a couple, really. My belief is that DR had a purpose for Michael and that was to bear him children because Lisa would not. She had P&P and then Michael divorced her in 1999. The babies were still babies. I think pressure from his family (esp mother) made Michael marry DR. Wasn't she already pregnant when they wed? I don't doubt that Michael loved DR also, but he loved her as a friend and was not in love with her. It's clear that Michael was still in love with LM when married to DR. Michael was still seen holding her hand tightly when out in public with her after the divorce and married to DR. They were photographed intimately (kissing through the mask and holding each other's faces) when he took her out for her bday in 98. If he was in love with Debbie, he would not be acting like that with LM. This isn't a case of 'I heard this. . .' or 'someone told me that. .', but there is actually photographic evidence of a continuing relationship btw MJ and LM long after their divorce and when he was married to Debbie.

I think we can all agree on that. It was quite obvious.

 

[dori727]

FOUND IT SHAMONNEEE! LOL
Mom's rarely around. Dad's often on tour. But, hey, the babe's in Neverland! So come on along as LIFE takes an exclusive peek inside this kid's otherworldly digs at his father's California estate. Meet the one and only nine-month-old PRINCE MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON JR.

In the dance studio where he practices his moves, Dad plays career counselor. "This is his first step into the spotlight," Michael says, only half in jest. As if on cue, Prince grabs for a toy microphone - and promptly shoves it into hos mouth. "He's teething," explains a nearby nanny. Will he be moonwalking by next year? Dad laughs, slipping into mock-grandmother mode: "As long as he's healthy, smart and brilliant, he'll be O.K."

Pop and the little Prince shar meals, afternoon naps and story hour. "I put my voice on tape, reading poems, stories I've written," Michael says. "When I'm out at concerts, [his nurses] play it for him. "One tape offers this: "Not the stars, not the farthest solar systems, not the millions of different species of animals, but the child is the greatest of God's creations."

In the nursery the nannies come and go, bottles and squeez-toys all in tow. Six teddies occupy an antique African cradle, six stuffed animals crowd Prince's modest crib. Above it hangs a Humpty-Dumpty poster, a Mickey and Minnie mobile and a quilt with Daddy's image. On ledges and counters stand five forlorn picture frames - each one empty, since so few photos have been taken of the room's elusive occupant. "You don't have to buy him much," notes Michael. "Fans give him toys, signs, banners - everything." The child's cache includes a red Junior Roadster from Michael Milken and a genuine Lamb Chop puppet, courtesy of ventriloquist Shari Lewis.

Prince is nicknamed after Michael's grandfather and great-grandfather. Though, on occasion, Dad prefers Baby Doo-Doo. Or Apple Head, for his plump countenance. (He's a bruising 22 pounds.) "When he first came out," Michael recalls, "he had my grandfather's and brothers' and La Toya's shape of head. He has Debbie's chin." Michael claims his hectic touring schedule kept him from taking Lamaze classes, but he held wife Debbie Rowe's hand throughout her 25-hour labor last February 13: "I was screaming and praying at the same time." Rather than reducing his creative output, Michael believes, fatherhood has energized his inner artist. Michael insists: "I've written more songs in my life - albums' worth - because of him than because of any other inspiration. He's complete inspiration." (One recent vers: "People say/I'm not O.K./'cause I love such elementary things./It's been my fate/to compensate/for the childhood I've never known.")


LIFE Magazine photos: (Click to enlarge)





YOU HAVE TWO nurses, three chefs and a doting dad. You have a petting zoo, two locomotives and a full-scale amusement park - all in your backyard. And, oh yes, your godparents are Elizabeth Taylor and Macaulay Culkin. So you've got that going for you.

On the other hand, your dad wears sequins and a hat when changing your diapers and has been known to grab his privates in front of thousands. Your mom has to commute to visit you, sometimes across the globe. And even as a celebrity fetus you got no respect: Your pop-star pop felt compelled to issue a press release insisting you weren't the product of artificial insemination.

Welcome to Earth, Prince Michael Joseph Jackson Jr.

The bright-eyed, beaming Prince is genuinely good-natured, prone to wide, if toothless, jack-o'-lantern grins. Tonight, however, he is Mr. Whimper - due to the merciless popping of flashbulbs. The boy of beige-and-olive cheek, with a hint of spit curl, sobs for several minutes. His nurses, in white NEVERLAND VALLEY uniforms, brandish rattles to little avail. Then Dad tries, stroking bony fingers tentatively against his child's face: "If he cries, and then you dance, he'll stop at once." But Michael's not in a particularly moonwalky mood. "C'mon, look, look, Mmm," Michael says, hazarding a hum. "He loves anything rhinestone." So Dad quickly dons a bangled jacket. But the Prince blubbers on.

His cries sound mama-like, even at nine months. Indeed, his cries seem part reproach. Everywhere, throughout the 25-room home, mom is eerily absent. The house, with games and knickknacks piled in stairwells and nooks, has an edgy abandon, as if a teenager and his friends have been left in charge and the real parents are about to burst in - back from vacation - and throw a fit. Even now, after returning from an African tour, Michael is here in Neverland with his boy, yet Debbie is in L.A., 150 miles southeast. When asked why Mom's away, Michael cryptically attributes it to some unspecified aspect of - yes - a second pregnancy. He says, in a delighted whisper, "There's a new one on the way."

Michael, 39, is well aware that his is not a nuclear family. "It's very hard," he explains, faulting his performance schedule for their long-distance marriage. "We haven't been able to spend time as a family. Not at all." Debbie Rowe, 38, who has kept her one-bedroom Van Nuys apartment, reportedly told intimates she was carrying Michael's first child as a "favor to a friend." Since then, she has admitted in a TV interview: "I don't need to be there... It's not my duty. And [Michael] understands that. And he understands that I need my independence." Citing Michael's constant attention to Prince's every need, she said, "I'd have nothing to do."



Michael's choice of partners, confidants and playmates has never been conventional. He has long sought the company of other former child stars, like Taylor and Culkin, or stars' children, such as first wife Lisa Marie Presley, whom he divorced last year. He has befriended young boys and girls. (Charges of child molestation in 1993, never proven, were dropped after he reached a multimillion-dollar out-of-court settlement with the family of a 13-year-old accuser.) "Celebrities have to deal with this," is all he will say on the subject, adding dismissively, "I'm not the first who's gone through it. It's horrible." Debbie has remarked of the accusations: "I wouldn't leave our child there...if I even suspected any of them were true."

Despite the time they spent apart, Michael has found a kindred soul in Debbie. A free spirit who fancies Harleys and animals (one tabloid reported that she arranged for chemotherapy for one of her dogs), she met Michael at his dermatologist's, where she was a medical assistant, during his treatment for skin condition. After they became friends, Debbie twice offered to bear his child. And once his divorce from Lisa Marie was finalized, Michael surprised her by accepting. They were married in a secret Australian ceremony last November. They do spend time together, of course, often watching cartoons or big-screen projections of Three Stooges shorts. "We laugh, hold the baby," Michael says. "She's come out on the tour a lot."

But there is one subject to which Michael repeatedly returns during four hours of conversation and picture-taking: Lisa Marie Presley.

Michael's voice quickens, even quavers, when he speaks of Lisa Marie. How she enjoys the baby. How they are still close after an amicable divorce. How they frolicked overseas the month before. He seems to pine for her. "Lisa Marie was just with me in Africa," Michael says. "We [went to] IMAX theaters, simulated-ride safaris, dinner. We went parasailing. It was wonderful." Even Debbie has acknowledged that Michael is still smitten. "He cares about her very much, but it didn't work out and he was devastated," she has said. "He loved her very much. Still does."

When asked if Lisa Marie has ever expressed second thoughts about not having been the one to bear his son, Michael insists, "She regrets is. She said so." Would she still consider having a kid with him? " She'd like to, yes," he says, putting a mischievous finger to his lips. "Shhh."

Michael turns the conversation to what makes him happiest nowadays: "the baby, writing music and making movies." He's planning a film version of J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan fable, having been misled, he says, by Steven Spielberg, who he believes reneged on an offer to cast Michael in Hook six years ago. "I worked on the script, writing songs, for six months," says Michael. "And they let me down. I was so heartbroken. Steven Spielberg admitted later it was a mistake. I was torn. He put me through a lot. We're friends now, though." What Michael dreads most, he says, is continuing a life on the road. " I love to entertain," he admits, "but I don't like the system of touring. You're jet-lagged. You're sleepy onstage. I don't know where I am half of the time. I may not tour again. Ever."

Besides, for now, Michael has his glove full with this bundle of Jackson. Especially with bedtime beckoning. His T-shirt mottled with faint baby-food stains, he cradles Prince in the crook of his arm, placing a lavender pacifier in his sons mouth. The baby drifts into his own little Neverland. After several minutes, Michael hands the child to a nanny and slips away to his own bedroom - a floor below and a wing away.



To enter Michael's bedroom, one has to pass under the interlocked fingers of two life-size figures on pedestals - a boy Scout and a girl in British bobby's hat, the pair arching a London Bridge above the door. Inside, toys, gadgets and books sprout in every alcove. Michael's latest Grammy gleams on the fireplace mantel. Peter Pan paraphernalia adorns three walls; arcade-scale consoles, including Sega World and Nintendo 64, dominate a recessed cranny. "I can beat all of them," he says with pride.

At first, it is his red and gold throne that stands out amid the clutter. But then one's eyes zero in on Michael Jackson's bed. On its green brocaded pillows. On the twin stereo speakers mounted near the headboard. On the stark but simple painting of Jesus in a plain frame, the Sacred Heart blood-red, the eyes penetrating.

And there, on one nightstand, rests a framed photograph of Lisa Marie. Not a recent snapshot. Or even a formal portrait. But a picture apparently cut out of a magazine, placed as a child would place it, cockeyed, in a frame meant to hold a photo twice its size. A picture of Elvis and is little girl, then only five years old." This is the age," Michael says, "when I first met Lisa Marie. When her father first came to my concerts. I've known her ever since."

But when Michael lies in his bed, the last thing he sees before he falls asleep is Prince's spare crib, sitting next to an old Peter Pan diorama. It is empty tonight but for the clutch of stuffed animals inside. Still, it's there - ready for those nights when Prince needs his dad

 

[dori727]

Any woman who can kiss this man in public with his mask on gets kudos from me. To me is shows she understood him, which is why I think he loved her so much. I think these pics are the cutest.

yes, its true :heart:.. i think these pictures show that she loved him as much as he loved her. The whole mask thing is so cute, like is shows how desperate she was for a kiss. if that were me, and i truly didn't love the guy i'd be like wtf? nahhh don't kiss me! haha but ofcourse, if it were michael or someone i love, i would in a heart beat

 

[Shamonee]

^ OMG I LOVE YOU DORI!!!

Thank you sweetie!

I don't have time to read it right now though-first thing tomorrow :yes:

 

[dori727]

Any woman who can kiss this man in public with his mask on gets kudos from me. To me is shows she understood him, which is why I think he loved her so much. I think these pics are the cutest.

i absolutely LOVE the first picture. The way they are looking at each other is INTENSE! =D

 

[dori727]

^ OMG I LOVE YOU DORI!!!

Thank you sweetie!

I don't have time to read it right now though-first thing tomorrow :yes:

lol NO PROBLEM! it took a while, but i found it =)

 

[JaneBender]

Thanks Dori! I was in the middle of a google search but you found it! You are the QUEEN! Do you have a link, I wanna save it...

Mike know he crazy for those statements. :lol: I'm gonna keep my mouth shut though on what I really think about his comments.

And I find it so telling that he had pics of her still up even after the divorce and the kids. UGH! If only they'd been able to make it work.

 

[dori727]

lol here is the link http://home.c2i.net/mjj/michael_jackson_articles_kingaspop.htm

and i agree, it tells alot that he had pictures of Lisa marie still around, it shows who he was in love with. And honestly, what he said was SO CUTE! lol the "i have that picture because thats the age she was when i met her". Dam our boy is romantic! =) if i guy told me that, "this is my favorite picture of you because that is how you looked when i met you" i'd be smitten.

 

[JaneBender]

:lol: Mike be killing me with that romantic stuff... spoiling me for these men I meet who don't know their behinds from a hole in the ground, let alone what real romance is. Mike know what's up, sending her flowers and the whole bit while he was courting her. Say what you want about him but he surely did know what women love.

Thanks for the link!

 

[dori727]

and supposedly, according to Donald trump and Neverland workers, they would walk around to the ferris wheel, go all the way to the top and stay there for hours. and that during one of their stays at donald trumps house in florida, they had a romantic dinner in where they danced and stuff and Michael got on one knee and everything and pulled out a pearl necklace..something along those lines. lol It was super cute, like a love story or something. Like they went against the world to be with each other. =)

 

[dori727]

aww and also donald said that michael once told him in reference to lisa, "i just got to kiss the most beautiful girl in the world, i hope im worthy of her". lol that is way too cute

but enough of this, i don't want to get banned or anything for saying to much lol

 

[elmari]

Thanks for finding the LIFE interview Dori. I've actually been looking for it myself. I bet some of those LM comments raised a lot of eyebrows at the time!

Oh yah, what was the year of that TVGuide interview quote that you posted. Michael said that LM comes over to see the children. I am assuming 1999 or 2000?

OK, it's just sort of confusing. Wasn't LM engaged to this musician, John (forgot last name) in 1999-2000? So she was dating this John guy and then sort of still in Michael's life? Then she breaks up with John and hooks up right away with Nic Cage? Also, how long does LM date a guy before she accepts a proposal? LOL! I am talking about this John guy. It seems like she might have been rushing into things, but then she rushes into a relationship with Nic Cage. All the while Michael may have been in back burner because she couldn't have Michael.

IMO, I think Lisa did want to get back with Michael at some point. But did Michael really want to get back with her? It seems like he had chances, but then maybe something happened btw them and then the next thing you know she is engaged to another guy. I think for Michael, it was all about the sentimentality of the relationship. He wanted all the good, but none of the bad. For some reason I don't think he wanted to give it a serious second go at it, like I think Lisa had. She did say that he wasn't used to being in a relationship and that he pretty much had been a 'one man show' all his life. IDK. . . I could also be totally off. I think he looked at things much differently once the children were born, so things might have been different if they got back together.

Opinions anyone?

 

[dori727]

Thanks for finding the LIFE interview Dori. I've actually been looking for it myself. I bet some of those LM comments raised a lot of eyebrows at the time!

Oh yah, what was the year of that TVGuide interview quote that you posted. Michael said that LM comes over to see the children. I am assuming 1999 or 2000?

OK, it's just sort of confusing. Wasn't LM engaged to this musician, John (forgot last name) in 1999-2000? So she was dating this John guy and then sort of still in Michael's life? Then she breaks up with John and hooks up right away with Nic Cage? Also, how long does LM date a guy before she accepts a proposal? LOL! I am talking about this John guy. It seems like she might have been rushing into things, but then she rushes into a relationship with Nic Cage. All the while Michael may have been in back burner because she couldn't have Michael.

IMO, I think Lisa did want to get back with Michael at some point. But did Michael really want to get back with her? It seems like he had chances, but then maybe something happened btw them and then the next thing you know she is engaged to another guy. I think for Michael, it was all about the sentimentality of the relationship. He wanted all the good, but none of the bad. For some reason I don't think he wanted to give it a serious second go at it, like I think Lisa had. She did say that he wasn't used to being in a relationship and that he pretty much had been a 'one man show' all his life. IDK. . . I could also be totally off. I think he looked at things much differently once the children were born, so things might have been different if they got back together.

Opinions anyone?

hmmm interesting...i get everything your saying. But about the kids being already born, i dont think Mj would have had a problem with lisa as a step mom or raising the kids. I mean for about 5-6 years he sort of help raised Lisa's, so why wouldn't he do the same thing back? and yea, i think the tv guide one is from 1999. And idk about the getting back together thing. What i think (imo) happened is that Lisa wanted to get back with him during 1998-1999 when they were touring and stuff, and he didn't want to right away because he had just had a kid etc. I think lisa gets fed up and leaves, which is around the time that Mj and Debbie divorced. Then i think he wanted to get with lisa after that but she was already with Nic. But i do know that when nic and her separated Michael called her to "see if she was ok". hmmm... lol This was around 2001-2002... so who says that maybe they didn't try to work things out again during this time? who knows. But something MUST have happened because 2003 hit and lisa went ALL OUT on Michael. Then when she was pregnant with the twins she calls michael. Maybe the thought of being a mother reminded her so much on how michael wanted kids. so she calls him, and from the looks of it he is still hurt or mad because he didn't talk at all. And even if now they wanted to get back it was too late cause Lisa was already having kids with someone else. Then Michael dies, and boom, Lisa is devastated. We know she cried her heart on when she wrote the blog, and we know she cried through out the funeral. Probably meaning that for the last two months she has most likely been crying her eyes, heart, and soul out. Who knows? maybe she has always wanted to tell him something, or maybe that day she called to tell him that she hasn't stopped loving him. etc. who knows now. So from my analyzes, lol the two NEVER conquered on when they wanted to be together. The only time they BOTH wanted each other was when they got married. After that, it was an on and off thing. But its crystal clear that they were both each other's one and they never got over each other. Michael was never the same, and neither was Lisa. Tragic love story if you ask me. lol

IMO they both didn't try hard enough...michael said in the interview that sometimes you have to let it go (reffering to the love of your life etc). See, but that only applies when the person leaving was never yours. Trust me, Lisa was his, he should have chased her. And the same goes for Lisa. She shouldn't have quit on him.

what do you guys think? opinions?

 

[xthunderx2]

Thank you for this interview Dori........I loved reading it...:clapping:......Michael...such a sweetie.

 

[dori727]

Thank you for this interview Dori........I loved reading it...:clapping:......Michael...such a sweetie.

lol no problem!

and to add to what i wrote...Maybe Lisa called Michael during her pregnancy because she remembered when she told michael that she wishes she would have had his kids. Or maybe she wished the twins she was having would have been Michael's instead of her now current husband. Also, Lisa called Michael after the Martin Bashit documentary. These two no mater what were always in each others lives.