What's up with the RANDY Hate?

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Or the fact that many follower fans that were by MJs side 24/7 said they never witnessed Michael visiting his family. Months ago, a follower fan were posting a lot in a thread here on MJJC and basically said Michael never went to see his family and the times he went it was just to be polite (e,g Joe/Katies anniversary).

I don't want to jump into this Randy discussion because I don't really have an opinion... I just want to say that not meeting often doesn't mean so much. My mother has also 8 siblings and it's not like they meet every month or so. They call each other, but I really think that sometimes months passes between one meeting and another, and very very rarely they meet all together, even if they all live in the same area. I don't know how this poster can tell that he did it just to be polite, also.
 
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This thread is getting ridiculous. Stop posting in riddles, either answer the OP's question with clear, constructive facts/posts or don't bother answering. The question is not who hates Randy? No need to keep going over your hate for him, trust me, it's quite blatantly obvious.


You're right. Sorry I did a mistake, I posted in another tread my message.

So for me I don't " hate " Randy Jackson, I don't like him. The same for Jermaine.

Why?

I think everybody knows.
 
You're right. Sorry I did a mistake, I posted in another tread my message.

So for me I don't " hate " Randy Jackson, I don't like him. The same for Jermaine.

Why?

I think everybody knows.
Because both Randy and Jermaine are into playing games with the legacy of both the Jackson Family and Michael Jackson. Randy is pretending to truly understand what his brother Michael really thought and felt, yet he couldn't help him when he really needed help. Jermaine is just a media whore.
 
Randy is pretending to truly understand what his brother Michael really thought and felt, yet he couldn't help him when he really needed help.

Delicious irony coming from fans who do not know (in order to "truly understand") neither Michael nor Randy.
 
You guys are ridiculous..and this is part of the reason why MJ hid his children, why he wore disguises etc. some of you guys really dont know when you have crossed the line. and just a little FYI our 'opinions' of this family still dont matter, i hope this daily judgement of them makes them stronger.
 
Maybe bec Randy has a shady past that has been resurfacing lately. The same guy behind KF, the same guy behind Oxman & Rowe, the same guy who wants to get his hands on MJ's estate. Want to know about Randy? Go to LSA & check on the KF thread there, there are a few articles up there that remind us that this guy is shady.

This thread is over & done with, you're not going to get anything else here but you've been directed enough to where you can find some of your answers if you're really interested.
 
Whatever he did MJ still love him some people just don't know how to let things rest...
 
lah, blah, mutherfu**ing BLAH, you have GOT to come better then that honey...I don't want any "MJ said" nonsense...Can somebody post something, ANYTHING with MJ saying these things HIMSELF not some random daily news "source" claiming sh!t.
not sure what more you want that a deposition that was give under oath. it was released on the internet at the time so im sure if look around you will find it. im not sure the pint of threads such as this becasuse with some ppl no matter what facts are given to them they will try to denie them. its like the haters during the trial. didnt matter whats facts you put in front of them they would call it a lie no matter how stupid it made them look cause you were telling them something they didnt want to hear.


intersting info below i saved from another site. a small collection of the crap that when on over the last 5 years or so.

Members of the family did go after MJ and accused him of being on drugs when it suited them, drugging him through mud did not prevent Randy from going to Roger with those allegations of severe drug abuse in 2007. who really believe it was a coincedence Roger's article appeared only 12 days after the MJ's affidavit surfaced, Roger acknowledged the same things MJ talked about in his sworn affidavit but according to his source Randy, MJ was not mentally healthy at the time, so his account was not to be taken seriously.
The fans did not believe Randy would do that, especially after MJ hurried to save his brother's face with a public statement and Katherine and the other siblings EXCEPT RANDY & JANET released a statement declaring there was no truth whatever to the story. After the bodyguards spoke and gave a detailed account of what was going on between them ,how MJ refused to let Randy in and how Randy threatened he would use the media against Mike, everything became clear. It was never about drug abuse. It was about MJ filing lawsuit against Randy's managers and accountants. Read Roger's article he did admit the family did not see MJ in two years and none of the things FAMILY SOURCES told him could be verified.



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World of Jax & robbers

Singer says his brother and pal tried to cheat him out of fortune

BY THOMAS ZAMBITO DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Sunday, June 17th 2007, 4:00 AM

Jackson claims he was nearly swindled out of his fortune during his kiddie-sex trial and only the wise counsel of the Rev. Jesse Jackson and billionaire Ron Burkle saved him.

The behind-the-scenes battle over the pop star's finances is detailed in a sworn deposition he gave for a federal lawsuit scheduled to go to trial this week.

There is a possibility that Jackson himself might even be called to testify.

The seven hours of transcripts obtained by the Daily News reveal that the agitated entertainer was convinced his money woes were fueled by a cadre of disloyal advisers who stole from him while he was busy fighting criminal charges.

The Gloved One even fingered a man close to his older brother Randy as a key villain.

It was an ordeal that left Jackson bitter about the industry in which he's spent his entire life.

"It's full of sharks, charlatans and imposters," he said in testimony taken last summer in Paris.

"Because there's a lot of money involved, there's a bunch of schmucks in there," Jackson said. "It's the entertainment world, full of thieves and crooks. That's not new. Everybody knows that."

A Santa Maria, Calif., jury acquitted him of child molestation charges in June 2005, after which he retreated into the seclusion of his Neverland ranch.

But during breaks in the trial, Jackson says he was being pressured to sign off on a multimillion-dollar financing deal by Don Stabler, an associate brought in by brother Randy, his go-to guy on financial matters during much of his career.

Jackson initially took a liking to Stabler after Randy introduced them.

"He reminded me of people that live in mid-America like Indiana," Jackson testified.

Stabler was persistent, at one point during the trial sending a message through one of Jackson's Nation of Islam security guards that questioned the singer's faithfulness to his African-American heritage.

It was a sore point for someone who has denied he purposely lightened his skin.

By then, Jackson had turned to Burkle, the billionaire pal of former President Bill Clinton, for financial help. Burkle brought in Jesse Jackson, who's known Michael Jackson since his Jackson 5 days, to help with the consultation.

Burkle was calling him on the cell phone during bathroom breaks, warning him not to sign anything, Michael Jackson said.

Stabler wasn't happy, Jackson said.

"[Stabler] said, 'What's the problem? You're not down, you're with the Jews now. You're not down with blacks anymore,'" Jackson testified.

"It was unkind," Jackson added. "It was mean. It was meanspirited. It was nasty. Simply because he couldn't get me to sign something that he wanted me to sign."

The next time Jackson saw Stabler "he wanted to take my head off." And his brother Randy wasn't too happy, either.

Randy later claimed that Jackson and his staff had run up a $700,000 bill on his American Express card during the trial, which Jackson said he would repay.

It wasn't the first time that Stabler teamed with Randy in trying to get him to sign off on a deal, Jackson claimed.

At a meeting in a bungalow at the Neverland ranch, Jackson said he had his mother at his side when he fought off another proposal.

"And I vehemently told them, 'No, I am not signing this,'" Jackson recalled. "And I just remember how angry, the intensity of the anger in the room. And so they marched out."Jackson made his comments when he was grilled by lawyers for the Hackensack, N.J., finance company that is suing the singer in Manhattan Federal Court. The firm, Prescient Acquisition, is owned by businessman Darien Dash, who claims Jackson stiffed his company out of $48 million.

According to Dash's lawyer Steven Altman, Dash was due the money for helping Jackson refinance a $272 million bank loan and secure $573 million in financing to buy out Sony's half of the Beatles' song catalogue that Jackson co-owned.

But Jackson claimed he's never heard of Dash, a cousin of hip-hop impresario Damon Dash, and doesn't remember signing any agreement

Michael Jackson accuses brother
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Michael Jackson's Family Calls for Help
Friday, June 29, 2007
By Roger Friedman

Michael Jackson’s siblings — including Janet — and his parents are so worried about the failing pop star that they’ve sent out an emergency 911 call.

Sources tell me that the Jacksons are in the process of contacting Thomas Mesereau, the superstar criminal lawyer who won Jackson an acquittal two years ago in his child molestation trial.

The word from the Jacksons is that they’ve met several times as a family and discussed bringing Mesereau in for an intervention to save Michael.

Mesereau, who did not return calls to this column, is said to be open to finding out what Jackson’s true mental and health status is at this point. If he doesn’t like what he sees, the Jacksons will ask him to do something legal to save their brother’s life.

Jackson, according to insiders, is in perilous health right now. There is talk that his liver is damaged and that he’s been seen vomiting blood, although there’s no confirmation of that.

What has been confirmed is that Jackson — whose penchant for prescription meds and alcohol is well-known — is depressed, alone and mixing ingredients instead of making a new album or working.

But it’s the two-year isolation from friends and family that worried the Jacksons enough to consider including Mesereau in the conversation, sources tell me. The culprits are said to be publicist/manager Raymone Bain and aide de camp/nanny Grace Rwaramba.

For instance: this column has now learned that Bain has brought Rev. Jesse Jackson on in some kind of executive capacity in Michael’s businesses.

Bain and Jesse Jackson have a long relationship, so this is no surprise. But two years ago, Mesereau — sensing trouble — removed Bain and asked Jesse Jackson to leave after he arrived in Santa Maria, Calif., to grandstand at Michael’s trial.

It was Jesse Jackson who two years ago caused an avalanche in Michael’s finances. Jesse Jackson, sources say, interfered in Michael’s business by attempting to call Bank of America president Ken Lewis to complain that Michael was being “ripped off” in some way over his $270 million.

Lewis refused to speak with Jesse Jackson. He was so annoyed by Jackson’s interference that he ordered the banker in charge of the account to sell the loans to Fortress Investments.

The result was a sale and subsequent refinancing that put Jackson another $50 million in the red. Jesse Jackson at the time had convinced Michael that business partners Alvin Malnik and Charles Koppelman’s plan to bail out the singer was no good.

But in hindsight, he was wrong. Under the original plan, Jackson would only have sold half his interest in the Beatles’ catalog to Sony. Now, next May, thanks to the Fortress deal, he will have to dispose of all of it.

Roger


Again the family tried to use Roger when it suited them:


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Joe Jackson’s Partner Has Sketchy HistoryBy: Roger Friedman // Tuesday July 21, 2009
Michael Jackson’s father, whom he feared and loathed, got to say whatever was on his, er, mind last on “Larry King Live.”

Jackson is bad enough on his own, but he brought along concert promoter Leonard Rowe. Larry did not ask Leonard about losing a lawsuit with singer R. Kelly last year and having to pay him $3.4 million in damages. Rowe also had to pay R&B Grammy award winner Ne-Yo $700,000.

Rowe has a sketchy history at best. In 1998 he launched a lawsuit against the William Morris Agency, CAA and other group claiming racism as the reason he couldn’t promote more concerts. On December 30, 2005 ,after losing the case and appealing it, Rowe was finally crushed by a federal appeals court judge. A year earlier, another judge, finding for the defendants, wrote: “plaintiffs raised no genuine issue of material fact and that no rational trier of fact could find for plaintiffs on any of the myriad of claims made in this action.”

Jackson and Rowe (who is certainly no relation to Debbie Rowe) proved to be a hilarious but sad duo on King’s show. Joe Jackson’s claim that he never abused Michael—after reams of evidence including Michael’s own heartfelt assertions, La Toya’s book, and plenty of eyewitness accounts—demonstrated his inability to reason fact and fiction. Joe Jackson also claimed not to know what’s happened to Michael’s body—still not buried in a final resting place after nearly four weeks.

In this session, in which both Jackson and Rowe may have crossed the line legally with AEG Live and Tohme Tohme, Rowe insisted that he had a signed document from Michael Jackson dated March 25, 2009. According to sources at Jackson’s home—I reported this when it happened—this pair kept pounding on Michael’s door until he let them in. They wouldn’t give up until Michael signed something. Joe Jackson evidently said to Michael, “I’m broke and it’s your fault.”

The timing of this is interesting. It was the same weekend when the pair issued a press release announcing they were now Michael’s managers. (They weren’t.) They also called yours truly to enlist my help in overtaking AEG Live and wresting control of Michael’s money. I declined. I have the phone record to prove they called me one week before all this started, on March 18th, at 3:40pm. We spoke for four minutes. I recorded Joe’s number in my phone. Joe said, “I have Leonard Rowe right here” and started squawking that they were going to take over Michael’s shows. I offered that that was impossible. We didn’t so much hang up as Joe just drifted away.
There’s more about Rowe’s history in the concert business. If he forces the issue, all his past associates are going to come crawling out of the woodwork. In the meantime, my sources do say that it’s Joe and Leonard who are now haranguing Katherine Jackson to get a bigger piece of Michael’s estate. The ugliness goes on unabated.
there was also the whole issue with mjjsource that randy and his girlfriend ran. charged ppl $50 and never gave what was offered for the fee. you have the issues with him trying to take over the estate and become executor as soon as mj left us.then trying to get the will thrown out.all his attention seaking tweets which are well documented where he seems to have no problem airing the families dirty laundry and shit stiring. highlights being his rant about the grammies claiming that no family members were invited to the ceremony. i guess he doesnt count the j3 as family. his tasteless actions on the first anniversary of selling pictures of inside F.L and having the gaul to apologise to mj for not getting the kids in the pictures while they were being take on holiday to try and forget about everything. and inviting the press along for the ride and giving them quotes about his druggie brother

anyone that has followed randys actions over the years see the long pattern he has created. imo hes mentally unstable. supported by the fact he was locked up for beating up his wife/kids


You guys are ridiculous..and this is part of the reason why MJ hid his children,
funny i thought he wanted them so he could finally get unconditional love the one thing he never got from the majority of his own family. many just seemed to see him as a cash cow. and he knew it and thats why he kept away from the majority of his family. he was a commodity to them. the fact he went around looking for second families like the cascios and the numerous others confirms that.he was desperate for unconidtional love something that the majority in his family never gave him cause all they saw was $ signs. thats why he loved his fans so much and yearned for his own kids.so considering how much time he spent around his fans compaired to his own family and how he became close on a personal level to many of them that kinda contridicts what you are claiming. and even when the likes of the slimball that is deiter weiser said "mj saw his fans as his true family and even though of course he loved his blood family he saw his fans as the only ppl he could truely rely and loved them for that. well that says alot. the actions of his family post june 25th sum it up all nicely aswell.
 
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not sure what more you want that a deposition that was give under oath. it was released on the internet at the time so im sure if look around you will find it. im not sure the pint of threads such as this becasuse with some ppl no matter what facts are given to them they will try to denie them. its like the haters during the trial. didnt matter whats facts you put in front of them they would call it a lie no matter how stupid it made them look cause you were telling them something they didnt want to hear.


intersting info below i saved from another site. a small collection of the crap that when on over the last 5 years or so.

there was also the whole issue with mjjsource that randy and his girlfriend ran. charged ppl $50 and never gave what was offered for the fee. you have the issues with him trying to take over the estate and become executor as soon as mj left us.then trying to get the will thrown out.all his attention seaking tweets which are well documented where he seems to have no problem airing the families dirty laundry and shit stiring. highlights being his rant about the grammies claiming that no family members were invited to the ceremony. i guess he doesnt count the j3 as family. his tasteless actions on the first anniversary of selling pictures of inside F.L and having the gaul to apologise to mj for not getting the kids in the pictures while they were being take on holiday to try and forget about everything. and inviting the press along for the ride and giving them quotes about his druggie brother

anyone that has followed randys actions over the years see the long pattern he has created. imo hes mentally unstable. supported by the fact he was locked up for beating up his wife/kids


funny i thought he wanted them so he could finally get unconditional love the one thing he never got from the majority of his own family. many just seemed to see him as a cash cow. and he knew it and thats why he kept away from the majority of his family. he was a commodity to them. the fact he went around looking for second families like the cascios and the numerous others confirms that.he was desperate for unconidtional love something that the majority in his family never gave him cause all they saw was $ signs. thats why he loved his fans so much and yearned for his own kids.so considering how much time he spent around his fans compaired to his own family and how he became close on a personal level to many of them that kinda contridicts what you are claiming. and even when the likes of the slimball that is deiter weiser said "mj saw his fans as his true family and even though of course he loved his blood family he saw his fans as the only ppl he could truely rely and loved them for that. well that says alot. the actions of his family post june 25th sum it up all nicely aswell.

Where you not aware that michael released a statement by raymone bain dismissing this as lies about randy back then? . and randy went off on roger back then about many lies he put out about him aswell jermaine went off on roger. roger admitted that they went off on him.
 
MJJSource caused a lot of problems that obviously a lot of fans are angry about. Being a dirt poor student at the time I couldnt afford the fee of $49, plus the opportunity to purchase a 'package' which was worth $89. Plus fees to join competitions to meet Michael at Neverland etc. Fans felt they were being cheated so some fans like Michael know personally. A few days later the website was shut down. No one knows where the money went, only that Randy, Karen, and Taunya are the only ones that know what happened to all that money.
 
Whatever he did MJ still love him some people just don't know how to let things rest...


I like this ^^^^

As always I want to say something, But I like my lurker status and only reply to things that don't piss me off otherwise I'm gonna go all hayhire lol and randy doesn't piss me off. Some people here are very irritating, ALWAYS personally attacking other people on the boards... I have never felt so much bitterness on another forum ever.. (2300 Jackson street forum)
 
This thread has been cleaned multiple times today. The insults to each other stop now.
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This madness would never stop if we forever have the 2300 Jackson street thread. The family have not portrayed Michael very well in the media. l dont see why we have to dedicate a whole thread to the some of the people who are tainting him has a druggie.
 
As always I want to say something, But I like my lurker status and only reply to things that don't piss me off otherwise I'm gonna go all hayhire lol and randy doesn't piss me off. Some people here are very irritating, ALWAYS personally attacking other people on the boards... I have never felt so much bitterness on another forum ever.. (2300 Jackson street forum)

^ I agree with this

I must admit I do not like the constant attacks of Michael's family, not just here but other places too. I know that it's not always just completely random but still, these people are Michael's family and they were closer to him than any of us could even dream of being. And he clearly loved them. Randy is his brother at the end of the day, and that is a very special bond that I wouldn't dream of challenging.
 
I just hate how people try to make Mike out to be some angel. I think he was an amazing person with what he had to deal with in life, but he was no angel. He was human like all of us. Im sure he has done some messed up things in the past to his family members as well. It is not just them. Relationships are complicated, whether its with family or not.

I still think its funny that people have so much hate for people they do not know and probably never met. Whether the hate is for Mike or the Jackson Family, its stupid. We probably only see about 10% of their lives, if that, and people try to make up the other 90% based off of that. It is just not possible. Take the 10% for what it is and leave it.
 
I just hate how people try to make Mike out to be some angel. I think he was an amazing person with what he had to deal with in life, but he was no angel. He was human like all of us. Im sure he has done some messed up things in the past to his family members as well. It is not just them. Relationships are complicated, whether its with family or not.

I still think its funny that people have so much hate for people they do not know and probably never met. Whether the hate is for Mike or the Jackson Family, its stupid. We probably only see about 10% of their lives, if that, and people try to make up the other 90% based off of that. It is just not possible. Take the 10% for what it is and leave it.

yes! well said..:clapping:
 
I usually do not support ex con's so I will not make an exception for Steven.
 
Im sure he has done some messed up things in the past to his family members as well.

he didn't want to perform with them and give money to them. the nerve!!!!!
 
he didn't want to perform with them and give money to them. the nerve!!!!!

No im sure its more than that. We havent probably heard of it or if we have, we dismissed it as tabloid garbage. I remember reading a book and they said that Mike had took Jermaines producers from him right before he was about to work with him. I also remember Marlon was quoted saying something about how "Mike lies and he was gonna stop talkin to him before he got a worse impression about him." Im sure most of you dismissed that as tabloid mess for Mike but would let it uphold for everyone else.
Another reason I think people never talked bad about Mike is because they knew if they may have needed him in the future, he would be gone. Not saying he was a monster because I dont think he was... but im 100% positive he was no angel.
 
Nobody's claiming Michael was an angel, but come on. :doh:
 
No im sure its more than that. We havent probably heard of it or if we have, we dismissed it as tabloid garbage. I remember reading a book and they said that Mike had took Jermaines producers from him right before he was about to work with him. I also remember Marlon was quoted saying something about how "Mike lies and he was gonna stop talkin to him before he got a worse impression about him." Im sure most of you dismissed that as tabloid mess for Mike but would let it uphold for everyone else.
Another reason I think people never talked bad about Mike is because they knew if they may have needed him in the future, he would be gone. Not saying he was a monster because I dont think he was... but im 100% positive he was no angel.


And you became a member here to pretty much just bash Michael Jackson on his own forum, based on the very few posts of yours. All you've brought up so far was pure speculation and rumors, just to give somebody else the benefit of the doubt. The family should not be bashed either, true, and nobody should be hated, but you shouldn't come here either to turn this thread into a "Michael isn't an angel either' one, that is such an empty stereotype made just for the sake of creating an argument within the argument.

Michael was always about family, and he cared for and financially provided for most of the family at all times. His nephews and nieces considered him just like their second father, who taught them so much and brought joy to them, as they said, and he was there for his brother' former wives, when nobody else was, as they said. He agreed to do the Victory Tour for the sake of his mother and siblings, even though, mentally and emotionally, wasn't well, as well as the Jackson Family Honors in 1994, even though he was convalescing after the hell of the false allegations against him; he was to agree to do a concert with his brothers again during a break of the This Is It tour, though he wasn't ready for either. If that's not an angelic/angel-LIKE soul, I don't know what is.
 
sorry, OT, but someone who only has 6 posts is 'talking shit'? How does that make sense?
 
^^ I have and I don't see it....

.....ah ha! I get it now! I guess you have to reach a certain amount of posts before your opinion becomes valid? Oh, ok....*rolls eyes*
 
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I just hate how people try to make Mike out to be some angel. I think he was an amazing person with what he had to deal with in life, but he was no angel. He was human like all of us. Im sure he has done some messed up things in the past to his family members as well. It is not just them. Relationships are complicated, whether its with family or not.

I still think its funny that people have so much hate for people they do not know and probably never met. Whether the hate is for Mike or the Jackson Family, its stupid. We probably only see about 10% of their lives, if that, and people try to make up the other 90% based off of that. It is just not possible. Take the 10% for what it is and leave it.

:cheers:
 
^^ I have and I don't see it....

.....ah ha! I get it now! I guess you have to reach a certain amount of posts before your opinion becomes valid? Oh, ok....*rolls eyes*

Some people become members here only to attack Michael Jackson. Because of that I quoted the number of posts.

I never said that you have to reach a certain amount of posts before your opinion becomes valid.
 
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