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kasume said:
You say the Jacksons have been screaming addict??

And yet, Randy is announcing publicly that it is first degree murder. That's sure not going to help his addict story if he has one. And have you seen Jermaine's latest interview with LKL? Not a mention of the word 'addict' when he was asked about the intervention. He didn't even witness any. Doesn't seem in that interview that he's screaming addict 24/7 like you proclaim. He even derails from the subject and instead, starts adressing the crazy idea of Michael taking his own life. That would have been a PERFECT time to call his brother an addict if he really wanted to.

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Those intervention stories did not begin with Randy. They began with Grace Rwaramba who spread lies to the family. There are even sworn depositions of her drugging Michael up with drugs like demerol, oxycontin, opiates... etc.
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Those intervention stories started in 2007. Back then Roger Friedman was telling everyone how much the family was trying to save MJ from Grace & Raymone even calling Mez and how Grace was able to control MJ through drugs and alcohol. Jermaine even gave a direct quote stating his siblings were trying to reach MJ for the reunion tour but the nanny would not allow them and she was controlling everything by keeping him drugged. Tell me where the logic is in your claims that Grace was feeding the family stories about MJ's drug habits when they were blaming her for his so called "severe alcohol and drug abuse" ?

I will keep referring to the search warrants . Investigators did state they were issuing search warrants to collect evidence of charges related to prescribing to an addict and ALIASES based on information they got from family members indicating MJ was an addict and using his son, nanny and bodyguards names as aliases. Did they find any evidence of that ? NOOOO
Did they say Grace told us he was on drugs? NOOO
Did they say anyone told them he was on drugs beside his family and media reports based on what his family was saying? NOOO.

You remind me of Randy's "friends" telling fans after Grace was fired that Katherine knew for years she was bad news but only allowed her back in the kids' life because Grace blackmailed the family and "threatened to release very incriminating pics of MJ with young boys". Tell me what fan in his/her right mind would believe such garbage? Who could believe Grace of all people would do such a thing ? who could even believe such pics exist in the first place?

if any ,such stories only indicate how much confidence the family has in MJ's innocence ( not that I believe any one threatened them).
 
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Looking at the screenshot from that YT clip posted above, I wonder how frustrating it must be for Jermaine to always have "Michael Jackson's brother" written under his name when he's on TV lol. Must hurt his ego a little bit.
 
LindavG said:
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Looking at the screenshot from that YT clip posted above, I wonder how frustrating it must be for Jermaine to always have "Michael Jackson's brother" written under his name when he's on TV lol. Must hurt his ego a little bit.
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well he should have gotten used to it by now, he was born to be one of Michael Jackson's many siblings and nothing more.
 
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Well, if you're going to look at it that way....

How much an honor it is to be able to be deemed "Michael Jackson's Brother" (his Blood), to have Michael Jackson's own blood pumping through his veins, rather than just some random "Michael Jackson fan" out of his millions and nothing more.
 
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LindavG said:
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Looking at the screenshot from that YT clip posted above, I wonder how frustrating it must be for Jermaine to always have "Michael Jackson's brother" written under his name when he's on TV lol. Must hurt his ego a little bit.
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Yeah it must hurt his ego...although he has been riding the name Michael Jackson since June 25th....Michael's passing has put Jermaine in the spotlight more than he has been in the last probably 20 years. It is so obvious to me that he is soaking it all in. To me..Jermaine and Randy have their own agenda's.
 
xthunderx2 said:
Yeah it must hurt his ego...although he has been riding the name Michael Jackson since June 25th....Michael's passing has put Jermaine in the spotlight more than he has been in the last probably 20 years. It is so obvious to me that he is soaking it all in. To me..Jermaine and Randy have their own agenda's.
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I have to agree.. Back in the day Randy was the silent one. Never heard a word from him now he's giving twitter conferences and calling up X17 and RadarOnline for exclusives inside the cemetary. It's quite sad
 
StacyJ said:
I have to agree.. Back in the day Randy was the silent one. Never heard a word from him now he's giving twitter conferences and calling up X17 and RadarOnline for exclusives inside the cemetary. It's quite sad
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you are right..ya know what they say..its the quiet ones that ya gotta keep an eye on the most...they tend to be the sneakiest.. and yes..Randy has the need to have it all documented by the media...why is beyond me. He to is soaking up the limelight......and he doesn't deserve it at all..IMO
 
kasume said:
Well, if you're going to look at it that way....

How much an honor it is to be able to be deemed "Michael Jackson's Brother" (his Blood), to have Michael Jackson's own blood pumping through his veins, rather than just some random "Michael Jackson fan" out of his millions and nothing more.
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I agree, but that's not what I meant though ;) I mean that despite his recent attempts to revive his 'career' and despite his fan club (yes, he has one) claiming he has had "numerous hits around the world", people still mainly know him for being MJ's brother. That's gotta hurt a little. I mean, you don't see "Michael Jackson's sister" written under Janet's name lol. That was all :)
 
If that hurts, it's going to have to come from his own mouth.

Personally, if I were not as famous as Janet, and I were Michael's brother or sister, having Michael's sister/brother under my name wouldn't hurt me at all.

So I like I said, that would have to come from his own mouth.

Anyone may choose to believe me on this or not. But I simply cannot expose the ties this person has as I was simply told not to do so. However, this is from a ME who has credentials to work with coroners and investigating teams, and who has spoken to people with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

that GD and I am sorry to be so blunt-but that nanny Grace Rwanda is accused and has had depositions sworn against her as complicit in the fact that she had several aliases-picked up opiates for a long time under these aliases and had been drugging MJ - when Michael was commencing the project to launch the project -begin rehearsals etc.. for the 02 shows-& had brought people around the house again affiliated with the project-he was slowly getting back in control of his own daily routines and his meals were served at the dining table with the children by cook-not handled by that freak prior to MJ having his food and drinks separate from the family. He realized the clearer he became-that this maniac was controlling him with these CNS drugs _ ie demerol-morphine-oxycontin etc.. and was livid and FIRED her banning her from the house once and for all! She was crazed and angry and told lies to the media-and Katherine and the children!! People have sworn depositions under oath as witness to these actions she had been taking-as well as cahoots with other shady lowdown scumbags.

i am beside myself angry about that monster being near the kids at all ever. She may have even had a hand in the switch out from the 10 shows MJ signed the agreement to do-and the next day when he awakened to find they AEG had agreed to 50 at the 02-MJ was really upset by that-he intended to do several shows-but to tour to do them-not to live for months on end in London and do months worth of back to back week in week out same venue shows fpr God's sake-this was to be a world tour-like MJ did-he never wanted to ever do those 50 like that ridiculous in everyway.
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"I didn't let the children see him...He always ate too little, and mixed too much." - Grace Rwaramba

"No, that's not-no. He ate. He ate very well." - Kai Chase

If anyone is passing along any drug addict stories, its not randy, it must be someone who was around Michael most of the time. IF members of the family did indeed believe he was an addict, they must have heard it from someone who was around MIchael A LOT and thus, automatically thought it was true. And this was before they found out her true nature, and banished her from hayvenhurst as well.
 
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Memefan said:
Yep..all about family image. This statement was released to protect the family "tight-knit my ass" (MJ's own words on tape) image.

In court document ..under oath...he clearly believes Randy and his people tried to rob him blind.

Read reports on MJ's 2007 Paris deposition. Not the first time Randy has been accused of fraud. Modern records anyone????
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Michael said the report about randy stealing from him was a malicious lie, and I believe michael, michael shot down many more lies at that time and you are saying michael was not telling the truth! and you being a fan of michael take something the daily news and friedman said over what michael said, how strange is that when the fans did not trust the daily news or roger friedman as a reliable source back then.
 
pilinlim said:
So why did the court, in the end, ordered him to pay 21000USD to whoever was victimized? So why do court transcripts, from that case, read "Steven Randall Jackson was foung guilty of fraud upon..."? Your continuous reality ignoring button is very interesting.
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n that article that was posted..... where does it say that????? cause when it was posted awile ago it didnt say anything about the either.... show me the link, maybe i missed something
 
Big Apple2 said:
In my opinion, IF Randy Jackson was wrongfully accused of "anything" and it caused him to lose his job, then he could have sued Modern Records for his job back and any restitution that went along with such a suit.

As per the report, Modern Records wanted him to give up his post and relinquish his office. Did Randy FIGHT to keep his job and thereby CLEAR his name?

It appears that the Judge "must" have issued an ORDER for Randy Jackson to leave the job and the office. If Randy was in the right, what did he do about it?

I would have to say that a PRESIDENT of a company would NEVER leave this type of case without clearing their name, IF they were in the right, because then your only alternative is to end up doing business with shady folks like DON STABLER, thereby losing all credibility. And in my opinion, that's EXACTLY what happened to Randy Jackson.
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as in the article, i dont know what happened after the case went to court cause its not in the article.
1) why would he sue for his job back if per the artilce he still has it. in the article it says they were going to the judge to get him removed, not they went to the judge and had him removed. the article talks about the suit filed, it doesnt go that far to the point where they are fighting in court so i dunno what he did.
2)the article doesnt say what randy did or didnt do to clear his name, and as far as im concerned MOST people outside of this board dont know about it. all the article talks about it the suit filed agaisnt him and how he hadnt left his office by the time the article was written.
3)it doesnt appear that the judge made him leave cause by the date the article was written, he was still there. if the judge made him leave then under it wouldnt say how they are asking for the judge to remove him. there would be no need for him to say that. it would say something like the judge ordered for him to leave.
4)the only place he would have to clear his name is in the business, not to us. i dnt know what/if he put a statement out about the lawsuit because they article is about a suit filed against him. it doesent even talk about what happened as a result of the case
 
Soundmind said:
Those intervention stories started in 2007. Back then Roger Friedman was telling everyone how much the family was trying to save MJ from Grace & Raymone even calling Mez and how Grace was able to control MJ through drugs and alcohol. Jermaine even gave a direct quote stating his siblings were trying to reach MJ for the reunion tour but the nanny would not allow them and she was controlling everything by keeping him drugged. Tell me where the logic is in your claims that Grace was feeding the family stories about MJ's drug habits when they were blaming her for his so called "severe alcohol and drug abuse" ?

I will keep referring to the search warrants . Investigators did state they were issuing search warrants to collect evidence of charges related to prescribing to an addict and ALIASES based on information they got from family members indicating MJ was an addict and using his son, nanny and bodyguards names as aliases. Did they find any evidence of that ? NOOOO
Did they say Grace told us he was on drugs? NOOO
Did they say anyone told them he was on drugs beside his family and media reports based on what his family was saying? NOOO.

You remind me of Randy's "friends" telling fans after Grace was fired that Katherine knew for years she was bad news but only allowed her back in the kids' life because Grace blackmailed the family and "threatened to release very incriminating pics of MJ with young boys". Tell me what fan in his/her right mind would believe such garbage? Who could believe Grace of all people would do such a thing ? who could even believe such pics exist in the first place?

if any ,such stories only indicate how much confidence the family has in MJ's innocence ( not that I believe any one threatened them).
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i do remember reading somewhere a long time ago that mj fired grace cause she was talking to family but its probably not true. i will say that if you go back and look at the raid pics from 2003, they do show meds with aliases on them but all celebs use them for privacy. also the last paragraph sounds stupid, i dnt know why mj fans would even give her the time of the day.

kasume said:
If that hurts, it's going to have to come from his own mouth.

Personally, if I were not as famous as Janet, and I were Michael's brother or sister, having Michael's sister/brother under my name wouldn't hurt me at all.

So I like I said, that would have to come from his own mouth.

Anyone may choose to believe me on this or not. But I simply cannot expose the ties this person has as I was simply told not to do so. However, this is from a ME who has credentials to work with coroners and investigating teams, and who has spoken to people with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.



"I didn't let the children see him...He always ate too little, and mixed too much." - Grace Rwaramba

"No, that's not-no. He ate. He ate very well." - Kai Chase

If anyone is passing along any drug addict stories, its not randy, it must be someone who was around Michael most of the time. IF members of the family did indeed believe he was an addict, they must have heard it from someone who was around MIchael A LOT and thus, automatically thought it was true. And this was before they found out her true nature, and banished her from hayvenhurst as well.
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i think they heard it from someone around him also, cause why would they believe it. they didnt have to hear it from grace, people talk and the circle they work in isnt but so big.(thats if its true, but i think alot of what is out there is false. why is it so hard for prople to write the truth??? thats why i dont believe most of what is posted or said, i just stay in the middle unless there is undeniable evidence that its false)
 
Yeah, and that's torturing...

Hopefully, the source for this isn't Romonica Harris, who put her on blast shortly after June 25, and who is as trustworthy as zero.

But I can see how Grace seemed to be manipulative, just by looking at her eyes, she's simply scary and in that vengeful interview she did just before the 02 shows, her eyes just wander around in scary ways. She looks like a witch, don't mean to be evil, but that's how she comes across. I wouldn't put things past her, maybe she was in ties with Thome Thome, too. Thinking of the lies she said in that interview, trying to paint him as the already clichee drug addict as many do. Before the 02? She sounded like a conspirator coming up with trash just before Jackson engaging himself in big things and never got to because of such people. I just shudder to think that she may have drugged Michael, if she did that, and if others did that. Some people find sly methods to divert attention from themselves and you end up trusting no one, for no one who always put the blame on the others, thus trying to save their own guilty skin, is reliable. There's a web of shady people, a whole bunch of them in Michael's life that were only after their interests, and it makes me sick of trying to figure out who did more damage than who. "Tired of this devil".. Just like being tired of hearing/reading how many just can't comprehend the amount of horrifying nightmares Jackson had to put up with in this life that no one would be able to endure. When they all say "drugs", "he did drugs". That's relief for various pains he had, darn it, not trying to get a fix, he 'didn't do drugs'. He died at the hands of his own doctor who was hired to monitor his sleep and health for the shows, for God's sake, he had big plans, he was phoning people in the middle of the night because of the rushes of ideas he had, even 2 days before June 25, he had a song about environment on his mind just 2 days before, his mind was lucid and alert, he would dine with his children and have breakfast with them up until the end, and laugh to make them feel better, in spite of his pains and all, he was working on his carefully planned and new album, had various paintings commissioned, including one with him and his 3 children in a forest and was so anxious to see it, he wanted to be there for his children, to watch them grow and be the father his father never was to him, he wanted to do movies.... he wanted to live and let live and wanted to be left to live, and he never got that.

Sorry for this OT rant, but it's horrible to bear all this... If all this mess could end one day... when will that day be?.. :(
 
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So Grace doesn't see the kids anymore right? if so that's good. she does look scary and somewhat suspicious. If she knew MJ had a problem she should've helped him not enabled him. I didn't trust anyone around Mike, even his own family
 
Alma said:
Yeah, and that's torturing...

Hopefully, the source for this isn't Romonica Harris, who put her on blast shortly after June 25, and who is as trustworthy as zero.

But I can see how Grace seemed to be manipulative, just by looking at her eyes, she's simply scary and in that vengeful interview she did just before the 02 shows, her eyes just wander around in scary ways. She looks like a witch, don't mean to be evil, but that's how she comes across. I wouldn't put things past her, maybe she was in ties with Thome Thome, too. Thinking of the lies she said in that interview, trying to paint him as the already clichee drug addict as many do. Before the 02? She sounded like a conspirator coming up with trash just before Jackson engaging himself in big things and never got to because of such people. I just shudder to think that she may have drugged Michael, if she did that, and if others did that. Some people find sly methods to divert attention from themselves and you end up trusting no one, for no one who always put the blame on the others, thus trying to save their own guilty skin, is reliable. There's a web of shady people, a whole bunch of them in Michael's life that were only after their interests, and it makes me sick of trying to figure out who did more damage than who. "Tired of this devil".. Just like being tired of hearing/reading how many just can't comprehend the amount of horrifying nightmares Jackson had to put up with in this life that no one would be able to endure. When they all say "drugs", "he did drugs". That's relief for various pains he had, darn it, not trying to get a fix, he 'didn't do drugs'. He died at the hands of his own doctor who was hired to monitor his sleep and health for the shows, for God's sake, he had big plans, he was phoning people in the middle of the night because of the rushes of ideas he had, even 2 days before June 25, he had a song about environment on his mind just 2 days before, his mind was lucid and alert, he would dine with his children and have breakfast with them up until the end, and laugh to make them feel better, in spite of his pains and all, he was working on his carefully planned and new album, had various paintings commissioned, including one with him and his 3 children in a forest and was so anxious to see it, he wanted to be there for his children, to watch them grow and be the father his father never was to him, he wanted to do movies.... he wanted to live and let live and wanted to be left to live, and he never got that.

Sorry for this OT rant, but it's horrible to bear all this... If all this mess could end one day... when will that day be?.. :(
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Oh my!!??? :no: What the heck happened in here?? I am sitting looking at my computer bewildered. This is such a venomous thread.
 
rainny said:
It was Jermaine who introduced Tohme to MJ.
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Exactly and Jermaine hasn't said one word about it has he? Did Jermaine know that Tohme signed MJ up for 50 shows that MJ didn't want to do?
 
StacyJ said:
Exactly and Jermaine hasn't said one word about it has he? Did Jermaine know that Tohme signed MJ up for 50 shows that MJ didn't want to do?
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Shoot, Jermaine was probably HAPPY about the 50 shows, because he "probably" figured that he and his brothers would have FIFTY more chances to "beg" Michael to be a part of one or more of those 50 dates.

I remember Tito saying, after the 50 dates sold out, that he "hoped" that Michael would invite the brothers to take the stage with him. In that respect, they were ALL probably happy about those 50 dates.
 
Big Apple2 said:
Shoot, Jermaine was probably HAPPY about the 50 shows, because he "probably" figured that he and his brothers would have FIFTY more chances to "beg" Michael to be a part of one or more of those 50 dates.

I remember Tito saying, after the 50 dates sold out, that he "hoped" that Michael would invite the brothers to take the stage with him. In that respect, they were ALL probably happy about those 50 dates.
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yep! I remember that.. Was Tito not concerned about his brother's health like the other family members now claim to have been?
 
Big Apple2 said:
Shoot, Jermaine was probably HAPPY about the 50 shows, because he "probably" figured that he and his brothers would have FIFTY more chances to "beg" Michael to be a part of one or more of those 50 dates.

I remember Tito saying, after the 50 dates sold out, that he "hoped" that Michael would invite the brothers to take the stage with him. In that respect, they were ALL probably happy about those 50 dates.
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Yes I remember that very quickly as well, I'm sure I can dig up that interview of his somewhere, wonder why they wanted to be a part of a show that was put on by a 'junkie in denial'? Hmmm..
 
ginvid said:
Oh my!!??? :no: What the heck happened in here?? I am sitting looking at my computer bewildered. This is such a venomous thread.
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yeah your are right...I guess Randy doesn't have many friends..:lmao:
 
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Alma;3161814 said:
Yeah, and that's torturing...

Hopefully, the source for this isn't Romonica Harris, who put her on blast shortly after June 25, and who is as trustworthy as zero.

But I can see how Grace seemed to be manipulative, just by looking at her eyes, she's simply scary and in that vengeful interview she did just before the 02 shows, her eyes just wander around in scary ways. She looks like a witch, don't mean to be evil, but that's how she comes across. I wouldn't put things past her, maybe she was in ties with Thome Thome, too. Thinking of the lies she said in that interview, trying to paint him as the already clichee drug addict as many do. Before the 02? She sounded like a conspirator coming up with trash just before Jackson engaging himself in big things and never got to because of such people. I just shudder to think that she may have drugged Michael, if she did that, and if others did that. Some people find sly methods to divert attention from themselves and you end up trusting no one, for no one who always put the blame on the others, thus trying to save their own guilty skin, is reliable. There's a web of shady people, a whole bunch of them in Michael's life that were only after their interests, and it makes me sick of trying to figure out who did more damage than who. "Tired of this devil".. Just like being tired of hearing/reading how many just can't comprehend the amount of horrifying nightmares Jackson had to put up with in this life that no one would be able to endure. When they all say "drugs", "he did drugs". That's relief for various pains he had, darn it, not trying to get a fix, he 'didn't do drugs'. He died at the hands of his own doctor who was hired to monitor his sleep and health for the shows, for God's sake, he had big plans, he was phoning people in the middle of the night because of the rushes of ideas he had, even 2 days before June 25, he had a song about environment on his mind just 2 days before, his mind was lucid and alert, he would dine with his children and have breakfast with them up until the end, and laugh to make them feel better, in spite of his pains and all, he was working on his carefully planned and new album, had various paintings commissioned, including one with him and his 3 children in a forest and was so anxious to see it, he wanted to be there for his children, to watch them grow and be the father his father never was to him, he wanted to do movies.... he wanted to live and let live and wanted to be left to live, and he never got that.

Sorry for this OT rant, but it's horrible to bear all this... If all this mess could end one day... when will that day be?.. :(
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Wow, just speechless. “just by looking at her eyes...she’s simply scary...she looks like a witch...I wouldn’t put things past her...she may have drugged Michael...” seriously, really??? To actually judge the content of one person’s character by how you perceive their physical behavior or whatever the hell else someone says about that said person. And then to repeat ad nauseum the grade-school pablum as fact...have you not learned anything from this man’s life and his words? The current evisceration of those closest to him in his life is a testament to the idiom “Judge not, lest....” Accusing people of wrongdoing based on supposition or appearance, and this doesn’t sound remotely familiar to you? Now I wonder how you’d feel when or if all is revealed that this person may have brought immense joy and peace to Michael’s and his children’s lives? Things are never what they seem...
 
HDiva;3162339 said:
Wow, just speechless. “just by looking at her eyes...she’s simply scary...she looks like a witch...I wouldn’t put things past her...she may have drugged Michael...” seriously, really??? To actually judge the content of one person’s character by how you perceive their physical behavior or whatever the hell else someone says about that said person. And then to repeat ad nauseum the grade-school pablum as fact...have you not learned anything from this man’s life and his words? The current evisceration of those closest to him in his life is a testament to the idiom “Judge not, lest....” Accusing people of wrongdoing based on supposition or appearance, and this doesn’t sound remotely familiar to you? Now I wonder how you’d feel when or if all is revealed that this person may have brought immense joy and peace to Michael’s and his children’s lives? Things are never what they seem...
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I know. It was shocking to read "she looks like a witch"
 
What the hell is going on here? I already asked you twice to stay on topic in this thread. What part of that do you not understand! Enough! Take this talk to the appropriate place and keep it out of here. Anymore posts will be dealt with accordingly as ignoring staff warnings.
 
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maybe she was in ties with Thome Thome, too.
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It is a possibility Grace does have ties with Thome. They're both from the nation of Islam.

Thome denied it all, but he's also not an ambassador for senegal like he claims.....
 
If y'all ain't gonna listen to me then thread closed. Simple.
 
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