What's up with the RANDY Hate?

[pilinlim]

My only questions for Randy and his entire family is this. Why are they going out of there way to give Conrad Murray the reasonable doubt he didn't have before you opened your mouths? I have no doubt the DA would have loved to charge Murray with second degree murder but could not because of his family calling Michael an addict. They essentially gave Murray the reasonable doubt he needed to get off from a second degree charge that is why the DA went for such a low charge. And to see his family scream oh that is not enough well it is your own damn fault. Even if Michael was an addict you don't go around talking about it while there is a damn criminal investigation going on that is just stupid. Keep your damn mouth shut why is that so hard for them?

They want Murray acquitted so the blame can be shifted to AEG, the ones with the millions. That's why the Jacksons, Rowe and Oxman have been screaming "addict" everywhere, 24/7: so they can shift the blame to AEG and sue it. That's why Murray is nothing but the "fall guy", the "scapegoat". And why do it now? It's now or never. The goal is precisely to influence the ongoing investigation and make it go their way (by holding the rich entity accountable).

Basically the Jacksons and company want to blame it for Michael's death and the only way there is to do that is by claiming MJ was an addict and, therefore, AEG is at fault for his death. Get why Oxman, Rowe and Joe were/are claiming everywhere, everyday, every minute MJ was an addict and inventing stories about his supposed junkiness?

 

[Ashtanga]

:bugeyed

 

[chanel05]

delete

 

[chanel05]

And if Katherine and Jackie have a contact with executors that's enough. They can call them and ask what can be done about the documentary. In my opinion there's no need to ask fans on the internet about that, it's useless.



and chanel05 could you please start using 'multi quote' and answer to everyone in one post? thank you

yea i agree its useless. n im not sure how to multi quote... i just tried it but it didnt seem to work lol

 

[rainny]

I find Taj's comment rude. They certainly have lawyers when

they're interested in something.

 

[kasume]

the Jacksons, Rowe and Oxman have been screaming "addict" everywhere, 24/7: so they can shift the blame to AEG and sue it. That's why Murray is nothing but the "fall guy", the "scapegoat". And why do it now? It's now or never.

You say the Jacksons have been screaming addict??

And yet, Randy is announcing publicly that it is first degree murder. That's sure not going to help his addict story if he has one. And have you seen Jermaine's latest interview with LKL? Not a mention of the word 'addict' when he was asked about the intervention. He didn't even witness any. Doesn't seem in that interview that he's screaming addict 24/7 like you proclaim. He even derails from the subject and instead, starts adressing the crazy idea of Michael taking his own life. That would have been a PERFECT time to call his brother an addict if he really wanted to.

0:55


Those intervention stories did not begin with Randy. They began with Grace Rwaramba who spread lies to the family. There are even sworn depositions of her drugging Michael up with drugs like demerol, oxycontin, opiates... etc.

Jackson Clears Up "Untrue, Defamatory and Malicious" Rumors

The statement:

Mr. Jackson does not believe that his brother, Randy Jackson, has stolen monies from him, nor does he believe that Randy, or any of his family members, would ever steal from him. Reports regarding the same were untrue and malicious.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/jackson-clears-quotuntrue-defamatory-and-maliciousquot-rumors

 

[blueocean]

You say the Jacksons have been screaming addict??

And yet, Randy is announcing publicly that it is first degree murder. That's sure not going to help his addict story if he has one. And have you seen Jermaine's latest interview with LKL? Not a mention of the word 'addict' when he was asked about the intervention. He didn't even witness any. Doesn't seem in that interview that he's screaming addict 24/7 like you proclaim. He even derails from the subject and instead, starts adressing the crazy idea of Michael taking his own life. That would have been a PERFECT time to call his brother an addict if he really wanted to.

0:55


Those intervention stories did not begin with Randy. They began with Grace Rwaramba who spread lies to the family. There are even sworn depositions of her drugging Michael up with drugs like demerol, oxycontin, opiates... etc.

Good post,
there are some that are spreading this hate and spinning what the jackosn family are doing seems to be deliberate. and then some keep trying to bring up that rumor that was proven to be a lie about randy stealing money from michael, thanks for posting that statement and link about michael saying his brother randy did not steal from him and it was a malicious lie.

 

[kasume]

No problem. If the accusations of sony were a malicious lie too, I wonder why Michael didn't issue out a statement about that....

Oh right, because Micheal WAS the one initially spreading all the warnings of their evil nature.

 

[StacyJ]

If Murray is acquitted, the family is to blame if you ask me. The whole factor of them giving interviews talking about interventions and denials does not help MJ at all. They are all smiling and grinning now, but when Murray walks out that courtroom, they shouldn't say one word because it is their fault. Janet, Katherine, Randy, Joe, Rebbie all threw MJ under the bus so once his killer is set free they all should feel some guilt.

 

[xo_lola_xo]

If Murray is acquitted, the family is to blame if you ask me. The whole factor of them giving interviews talking about interventions and denials does not help MJ at all. They are all smiling and grinning now, but when Murray walks out that courtroom, they shouldn't say one word because it is their fault. Janet, Katherine, Randy, Joe, Rebbie all threw MJ under the bus so once his killer is set free they all should feel some guilt.

I wanna be there at the time just so I can look at them with a "are you happy now?" look.

 

[twinklEE]

If Murray is acquitted, the family is to blame if you ask me. The whole factor of them giving interviews talking about interventions and denials does not help MJ at all. They are all smiling and grinning now, but when Murray walks out that courtroom, they shouldn't say one word because it is their fault. Janet, Katherine, Randy, Joe, Rebbie all threw MJ under the bus so once his killer is set free they all should feel some guilt.

None of them will care, broke ass Murray is only the 'fall guy' to them. They want Murray acquitted so they can go after ppl with money.

 

[JMie]

agr, that Jermaine interview at FL... can a person be more desperate for attention???

yea i agree its useless. n im not sure how to multi quote... i just tried it but it didnt seem to work lol

press the "multiquote" button under each post you want to comment and then press the "Post Reply" button at the bottom of the page. You'll get all the quotes in one post and you can write your responses between them.

 

[Alayasha]

There seems to be a difference of opinion within the Jackson family. This isn't unusual within large families yet it's frustrating given the circumstances. In all honesty, the only two Jackson's whose opinion matters legally are Joseph and Katherine because they have filed wrongful death lawsuits. At it's core, the suits appear based on the idea that AEG was negligent in dealing with an addict. I believe Oxman even threw in the American's with disabilities act. If any of these suits make it to trial, I believe it will get ugly for the Jacksons because quite honestly, they have made publicly conflicting stories for years. Many of them, including Katherine, released a statement denying drug interventions. Many, including Katherine and Joseph, have publicly stated that they had little contact with Michael and those that did witnessed no signs of addiction. And, how is AEG expected to know about an alleged addiction and work within perimeters of said addiction when his parents didn't? Both Joseph and Katherine Jackson attended business meetings with AEG where money was discussed, there was no mention of special conditions to deal with their sons "addiction". They even attempted to mount their own concerts with a rival promoter. This doesn't look good if Michael's parents were looking for a vehicle to send their drug ravaged son on the road. Should AEG have more moral character than his parents? My point is, everyone's dirt will be uncovered, not just Michael's.

Sorry this is in the wrong thread; however, the subject is being discussed.

 

[Alayasha]

Double post

 

[StaceyMJ]

I'll repeat myself, this is for discussing why fans have issues with Randy. Everything else please take it to the correct forum.

 

[Memefan]

Jackson Clears Up "Untrue, Defamatory and Malicious" Rumors

The statement:

Mr. Jackson does not believe that his brother, Randy Jackson, has stolen monies from him, nor does he believe that Randy, or any of his family members, would ever steal from him. Reports regarding the same were untrue and malicious.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...ousquot-rumors

Yep..all about family image. This statement was released to protect the family "tight-knit my ass" (MJ's own words on tape) image.

In court document ..under oath...he clearly believes Randy and his people tried to rob him blind.

Read reports on MJ's 2007 Paris deposition. Not the first time Randy has been accused of fraud. Modern records anyone????

 

[Sophielo]

We'll never know for sure what exactly happened between Randy and Michael but its pretty obvious it wasn't good and something that hurt Michael a lot as demonstrated by the Paris deposition and the rumoured Michael getting armed guards to remove Randy from his property. If they cleared the air before he died we'll never really know. But there is a lot of things that we will never know.

 

[ScrEAm.Jack5on]

did not have much contact with him nor were really close to him until the stun gun incident and the feeling that Randy's actions would protect them from the possible threat MJ's kids presented . Their fears turned to be reality, Prince calling Grace and then her informing the DFCS caused them to leave Hyvenhurst .

what are you talking about??

wrong.

his kids didn't leave hayvenhurst at all. that was said on tmz but it did not happen. don't believe everything you read.

 

[chanel05]

If Murray is acquitted, the family is to blame if you ask me. The whole factor of them giving interviews talking about interventions and denials does not help MJ at all. They are all smiling and grinning now, but when Murray walks out that courtroom, they shouldn't say one word because it is their fault. Janet, Katherine, Randy, Joe, Rebbie all threw MJ under the bus so once his killer is set free they all should feel some guilt.

if muarry is acquitted it is not the families fault. im sure that if what the family was saying would hurt the trial, the prosecutor would have shut them up long ago. also all of them have said that they blame muarry for mjs death and that he should be punished. they also said that the charges should be higher. if muarry is let go, blame the justice system.

agr, that Jermaine interview at FL... can a person be more desperate for attention???




press the "multiquote" button under each post you want to comment and then press the "Post Reply" button at the bottom of the page. You'll get all the quotes in one post and you can write your responses between them.

Thanks i had did it before by accident but i forgot how to get back there.

You say the Jacksons have been screaming addict??

And yet, Randy is announcing publicly that it is first degree murder. That's sure not going to help his addict story if he has one. And have you seen Jermaine's latest interview with LKL? Not a mention of the word 'addict' when he was asked about the intervention. He didn't even witness any. Doesn't seem in that interview that he's screaming addict 24/7 like you proclaim. He even derails from the subject and instead, starts adressing the crazy idea of Michael taking his own life. That would have been a PERFECT time to call his brother an addict if he really wanted to.

0:55


Those intervention stories did not begin with Randy. They began with Grace Rwaramba who spread lies to the family. There are even sworn depositions of her drugging Michael up with drugs like demerol, oxycontin, opiates... etc.

i agree. i remember afet mj died before any member said anything, you had thousnds of people talking about drugs and interventions. there were sooooo many stories before the family said one word.

There seems to be a difference of opinion within the Jackson family. This isn't unusual within large families yet it's frustrating given the circumstances. In all honesty, the only two Jackson's whose opinion matters legally are Joseph and Katherine because they have filed wrongful death lawsuits. At it's core, the suits appear based on the idea that AEG was negligent in dealing with an addict. I believe Oxman even threw in the American's with disabilities act. If any of these suits make it to trial, I believe it will get ugly for the Jacksons because quite honestly, they have made publicly conflicting stories for years. Many of them, including Katherine, released a statement denying drug interventions. Many, including Katherine and Joseph, have publicly stated that they had little contact with Michael and those that did witnessed no signs of addiction. And, how is AEG expected to know about an alleged addiction and work within perimeters of said addiction when his parents didn't? Both Joseph and Katherine Jackson attended business meetings with AEG where money was discussed, there was no mention of special conditions to deal with their sons "addiction". They even attempted to mount their own concerts with a rival promoter. This doesn't look good if Michael's parents were looking for a vehicle to send their drug ravaged son on the road. Should AEG have more moral character than his parents? My point is, everyone's dirt will be uncovered, not just Michael's.

Sorry this is in the wrong thread; however, the subject is being discussed.

thats true. they all have gave conflicting stories over the years. i do think they would try to see each other at least every few years. but honestly, i think its sad on all of their parts tht they didnt see each other more often. but then again its kinda normal for them because its been that way since the jackson 5 cause they were always sooo busy. i think that the brothers and sisters seen their neices and nephews more than they seen each other.

We'll never know for sure what exactly happened between Randy and Michael but its pretty obvious it wasn't good and something that hurt Michael a lot as demonstrated by the Paris deposition and the rumoured Michael getting armed guards to remove Randy from his property. If they cleared the air before he died we'll never really know. But there is a lot of things that we will never know.

i agree. n i think people need to understand that. no matter how much we read and think we know, we arent apart of their family and we dont know exactly what goes on either.

 

[Big Apple2]

THE COURT FILES
October 15, 2000|ANN W. O'NEILL

WHO'S THE BOSS? A Los Angeles record company says it has kicked its president, Randy Jackson--brother of Michael and Janet--off its board of directors. And the company is suing Jackson for mismanagement.

In a lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Modern Records Inc. accuses the Jackson sib of failing to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also alleges that Jackson misspent promotions money--most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And, the suit states, he failed to disclose that he previously had filed for bankruptcy.

According to the suit, matters came to a head on Sept. 22, when the company elected a new board of directors--sans Jackson. A shareholders meeting also was held, and Jackson was removed as president.

According to the suit, Jackson refuses to recognize the ouster, saying the election was invalid. He also issued a news release saying he's still the boss at Modern Records. He continues to occupy the company's Beverly Hills office, the suit says.

Modern is asking Superior Court Judge Alexander H. Williams III to declare the ouster legal, issue a court order enjoining Jackson from meddling with company business, spending company money or bad-mouthing other board members and executives. It also seeks to boot him from the Beverly Hills office. Modern also is demanding more than $500,000 in damages. Randy Jackson could not be reached.

DANG, I had no idea Randy Jackson was once the head of a record company and as it appears, because of his GREED he got the boot.

Homeboy could have been sitting pretty right about now, if he didn't play "fast & loose" with OTHER people's money.

It's just another part of the story as to WHY "certain" members of the J5 were never able to move on in the music business. Not just as performing artist, but as artist who made the transition to working behing the scenes in a different capacity.

A sort of L.A. Reid, if you will. Back in the day, that's the type of path I figured some OR all of them would have taken. My Bad!

 

[Alma]

Those intervention stories began with Grace Rwaramba who spread lies to the family. There are even sworn depositions of her drugging Michael up with drugs like demerol, oxycontin, opiates... etc.

Hi,

Can you develop this bit more, what sworn depositions?... That's shocking.. PM me, if you can, please, so as not to derail this thread...

Thank you.

 

[Justthefacts]

There are no depositions of her doing that none. She would be in trouble right now if she did that.

 

[Big Apple2]

There are no depositions of her doing that none. She would be in trouble right now if she did that.

CORRECT!

If I recall correctly, those particular stories were started by Roger Friedman, before FoxNews gave him the big boot. LOL!

Now where Friedman got those stories from.....is a whole other issue!

 

[StacyJ]

CORRECT!

If I recall correctly, those particular stories were started by Roger Friedman, before FoxNews gave him the big boot. LOL!

Now where Friedman got those stories from.....is a whole other issue!

I believe he got them from Randy, Leonard Rowe and Joe Jackson

 

[Big Apple2]

I believe he got them from Randy, Leonard Rowe and Joe Jackson

It's ONLY a theory I have, but I would have to agree with you.

In my opinion, when Michael was not receptive to WHATEVER it was that these folks wanted, at any given time, they would "cook-up" a story for Friedman to report.

It brings me back to the time when it was reported BY Friedman, that Joe Jackson called him up, with Leonard Rowe on the other line, to discuss how Joe and Leonard wanted to take control of Michael's AEG concert dates.

At the time, I was thinking: "now why in the world would Joe Jackson be calling Roger Friedman, of all people."

After June 25th, the answer became a bit clearer for me.

 

[chanel05]

DANG, I had no idea Randy Jackson was once the head of a record company and as it appears, because of his GREED he got the boot.

Homeboy could have been sitting pretty right about now, if he didn't play "fast & loose" with OTHER people's money.

It's just another part of the story as to WHY "certain" members of the J5 were never able to move on in the music business. Not just as performing artist, but as artist who made the transition to working behing the scenes in a different capacity.

A sort of L.A. Reid, if you will. Back in the day, that's the type of path I figured some OR all of them would have taken. My Bad!

I wish they would have done more behind the scenes. i think randy could have took the la reid route, and jackie could have written songs for people... i think they could have done more than what they did.

"In a LAWSIUT filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Modern Records Inc. ACCUSES the Jackson sib of failing to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also ALLEGES that Jackson misspent promotions money--most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And, the SUIT states, he failed to disclose that he previously had filed for bankruptcy.

ACCORDING TO THE SUIT, matters came to a head on Sept. 22, when the company elected a new board of directors--sans Jackson. A shareholders meeting also was held, and Jackson was removed as president.

ACCORDING TO THE SUIT, Jackson refuses to recognize the ouster, saying the election was invalid. He also issued a news release saying he's still the boss at Modern Records. He continues to occupy the company's Beverly Hills office, the suit says.

Modern is ASKING Superior Court Judge Alexander H. Williams III TO DECLARE THE OUSTER LEGAL, issue a court order enjoining Jackson from meddling with company business, spending company money or bad-mouthing other board members and executives. It also SEEKS TO BOOT him from the Beverly Hills office. Modern also is demanding more than $500,000 in damages. Randy Jackson could not be reached."

pay attention to the key words of the article. it didnt say that HE DID IT. it says ACCUSES AND ALLEGES. if he did what was stated it would say something different. this is about the lawsuit thats filed against him, it doesnt say anywhere in this article that he did it. nowhere does it talks about a judgement/s won against him because he lost the law suit either. so honestly we dont know whats true from this lawsuit and what is false. but obivously something did go down between him and the company.

 

[pilinlim]

I wish they would have done more behind the scenes. i think randy could have took the la reid route, and jackie could have written songs for people... i think they could have done more than what they did.

"In a LAWSIUT filed in Los Angeles Superior Court, Modern Records Inc. ACCUSES the Jackson sib of failing to pay quarterly employee withholding taxes and health insurance premiums. The suit also ALLEGES that Jackson misspent promotions money--most notably on apartments for him and a girlfriend, and to pay off charges the couple ran up on their credit cards. And, the SUIT states, he failed to disclose that he previously had filed for bankruptcy.

ACCORDING TO THE SUIT, matters came to a head on Sept. 22, when the company elected a new board of directors--sans Jackson. A shareholders meeting also was held, and Jackson was removed as president.

ACCORDING TO THE SUIT, Jackson refuses to recognize the ouster, saying the election was invalid. He also issued a news release saying he's still the boss at Modern Records. He continues to occupy the company's Beverly Hills office, the suit says.

Modern is ASKING Superior Court Judge Alexander H. Williams III TO DECLARE THE OUSTER LEGAL, issue a court order enjoining Jackson from meddling with company business, spending company money or bad-mouthing other board members and executives. It also SEEKS TO BOOT him from the Beverly Hills office. Modern also is demanding more than $500,000 in damages. Randy Jackson could not be reached."

pay attention to the key words of the article. it didnt say that HE DID IT. it says ACCUSES AND ALLEGES. if he did what was stated it would say something different. this is about the lawsuit thats filed against him, it doesnt say anywhere in this article that he did it. nowhere does it talks about a judgement/s won against him because he lost the law suit either. so honestly we dont know whats true from this lawsuit and what is false. but obivously something did go down between him and the company.

So why did the court, in the end, ordered him to pay 21000USD to whoever was victimized? So why do court transcripts, from that case, read "Steven Randall Jackson was foung guilty of fraud upon..."? Your continuous reality ignoring button is very interesting.

 

[Big Apple2]

pay attention to the key words of the article. it didnt say that HE DID IT. it says ACCUSES AND ALLEGES. if he did what was stated it would say something different. this is about the lawsuit thats filed against him, it doesnt say anywhere in this article that he did it. nowhere does it talks about a judgement/s won against him because he lost the law suit either. so honestly we dont know whats true from this lawsuit and what is false. but obivously something did go down between him and the company.

In my opinion, IF Randy Jackson was wrongfully accused of "anything" and it caused him to lose his job, then he could have sued Modern Records for his job back and any restitution that went along with such a suit.

As per the report, Modern Records wanted him to give up his post and relinquish his office. Did Randy FIGHT to keep his job and thereby CLEAR his name?

It appears that the Judge "must" have issued an ORDER for Randy Jackson to leave the job and the office. If Randy was in the right, what did he do about it?

I would have to say that a PRESIDENT of a company would NEVER leave this type of case without clearing their name, IF they were in the right, because then your only alternative is to end up doing business with shady folks like DON STABLER, thereby losing all credibility. And in my opinion, that's EXACTLY what happened to Randy Jackson.

 

[twinklEE]

In my opinion, IF Randy Jackson was wrongfully accused of "anything" and it caused him to lose his job, then he could have sued Modern Records for his job back and any restitution that went along with such a suit.

As per the report, Modern Records wanted him to give up his post and relinquish his office. Did Randy FIGHT to keep his job and thereby CLEAR his name?

It appears that the Judge "must" have issued an ORDER for Randy Jackson to leave the job and the office. If Randy was in the right, what did he do about it?

I would have to say that a PRESIDENT of a company would NEVER leave this type of case without clearing their name, IF they were in the right, because then your only alternative is to end up doing business with shady folks like DON STABLER, thereby losing all credibility. And in my opinion, that's EXACTLY what happened to Randy Jackson.

Don't bother.

 

[twinklEE]

CORRECT!

If I recall correctly, those particular stories were started by Roger Friedman, before FoxNews gave him the big boot. LOL!

Now where Friedman got those stories from.....is a whole other issue!

Friedbrain himself said the sources where Jackson family members along with Urine Smeller and Mark lester.
Michael was surrounded by greed everywhere he looked. Poor guy.