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The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder

4-32. Would a “Death Hoax” Murder Plot Convince the Family???

If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don’t get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929}

More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers); so I guess it didn’t work very well, if they were trying to convince all the fans that it was a death hoax.

But far more even than the fans, the murderers would need to shield themselves from detection by the family; because the family would be motivated to catch the murderers, as much or more than most fans. And in this case, several family members are already well known in the music industry (Jackson Five, Janet Jackson, etc). So as much or more than any other family, the murderers would want to avoid detection by the Jackson family—because they have the influence to do something about it.

Now get ready for the murder-theory destroying question: if they planned a murder to look like a hoax, what is the likelihood that they could succeed in convincing the family that MJ faked his death???????

The only way that a murder (made to look like a hoax) could work, is if the family was in on the murder plot—whether for money, or their own lives were threatened, or because they all hated him and wanted him dead, or something. I’m not trying to say that any of these things are true; but we are turning every stone, so to speak.

It is quite unlikely that even one family member would want MJ dead, much less the entire family. It is also unlikely that any family member could be bought with money to help in a murder plot; and again, certainly not the entire family. The threat of death is no doubt a stronger motivation than money; but true love is stronger than death—so if there’s even one family member that truly loves MJ, then the whole family could not be in on a murder plot.

Yet another problem is that we have Jermaine and others saying that they know all about it, and they are going to spill the beans. So I guess the huge, long-term, and very complicated plot to murder MJ and make it look like a hoax—it didn’t work! And they had to be planning it for many years: including the will dated 7-7-02, and the 1998 autographs (somehow they convinced or forced MJ to do this). All that ingenuity, and it failed!

Yet another problem is the many indications not only of the hoax, but also of the return and bam. Wouldn’t it be better to make it look like a hoax with no return, so that the hoax believers would not be expecting to see MJ again (then they could believe the hoax for decades, and not wonder what happened to MJ)? In fact, wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier to murder MJ with an entirely different plan—having nothing to do with a death hoax? They could make it look like an accident (car or airplane), or maybe a suicide; perhaps a “crazy” person could just shoot him (Lennon), etc.

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4-33. Does the NWO Promote the End of the World?

Clearly, the 911 call at 12:21 fits very well with the planned timing. So if it was really planned murder, and not a planned hoax: then the NWO conspiracy team decided to promote the end of the world concept, as part of the plan. Now it is quite understandable that MJ himself, who believes the Bible and knows it very well, it is easy to accept that he would want to warn about the end of the world.

But why would NWO murderers do that? They don’t believe in the end of the world soon, or ever for that matter; they don’t care about warning people to get ready, and they have no reason to promote such a message. If they thought that the current world would soon be destroyed, then they would not spend all the money and energy trying to set up their own world order!

Another point is that it’s very unlikely for NWO murderers to understand the Bible well enough to know about inclusive reckoning, and come up with the plan for 77 days and 7 days to 9-9-09 (inclusive). And MJ has not used inclusive reckoning publicly in the past; so they couldn’t merely watch how he operates, and then mimic him to make it look like he was behind the timing.

Last but not least: God would not cooperate in a NWO plot to murder MJ, and make it look like a hoax. But on 3-6-09 (immediately after the O2 press conference) God did step in and reverse the NWO plot to destroy the economy; with a low of 666, the fastest six-month rally in history started on 3-9-09 (and six months later was 9-9-09).

Although God would not be involved in a murder plot, it is quite likely that God would help in a plan to warn about the end of the world, to expose the NWO conspiracy, and to turn the NWO upside down (666 pyramid to 999). “The LORD ... relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.” (Psalm 146:9; see Isaiah 24:1; Acts 17:6).
 
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4-34. Is TIAI Part of a Murder Conspiracy?

This question has been asked {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6345&start=0}; and there is nothing wrong with asking the question. We are all here to find out the truth about MJ; and if the truth is a huge murder plot, we all want to know it.

Even if MJ was murdered, that would not necessarily mean TIAI is part of a plot to cover it up. However, we have just seen loads of evidence that the murder (made to look like a hoax) theory is totally unrealistic. If nothing else, the family alone should prove that this theory doesn’t hold a drop of water. And if MJ was not murdered, then TIAI could not be part of a conspiracy to cover-up murder.

Furthermore, TIAI has worked hard to expose the NWO conspiracies and murders, etc {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. So how’s that for a mind-warping theory: TIAI is part of a plan to hide the murderers—by exposing the murderers!

Nevertheless, if anyone still thinks that the murder theory is a realistic possibility, then please investigate it. I’m not trying to silence investigation about murder, or anything else. The truth has nothing to lose by close examination: the “truth will prevail”!

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4-35. TIAI Appeal to TINI Followers

For those who now recognize that the murder theory doesn’t hold any water: perhaps it’s time to stop looking for clues in every car that drives by, and every cloud in the sky. Yes, we should still be watching for any major developments; especially things that would help to convince non-believers. But the little clues are not needed anymore; they won’t help non-believers, and we don’t need them because we have plenty of evidence already.

So let’s start spending more time trying to reach ourselves and others with MJ’s message. I know that many have already tried to convince others, with little success; but the evidence is continually getting stronger (piece by piece, MJ is revealed).

Although there are many different ways to do this: one way is by going to (non-hoax) forums, and asking them to read this {Update #4, http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com}. If they are willing to read this, and still remain unconvinced, then probably nothing in the universe will convince them—at least not before bamsday. In fact, some won’t be convinced even after bamsday! Yes, they will say that it is a double; and the family knows it’s not the real MJ, but they are silenced by threats from those who murdered MJ.

To all those supporting the campaign at http://www.This-Is-Not-It.com (TINI): hoax believers and http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) have read your website, and understand your position. Have you read our material? Are you aware of the very strong evidence which goes against your position? Do you realize that you might be working against MJ and his message, even though no doubt your motives are to defend MJ? Please be informed, and don’t oppose our position without carefully examining it—that is what true investigation is all about.

As far as the reports about MJ’s failing health: we believe that this was an act, and all part of the plan to make it look like he died. MJ’s own brother said: “Michael was very, very healthy. He had passed a physicals for the show. ... He was very, very healthy ...” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. And MJ’s own physical trainer, Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, said three times in a row: “He was in great shape” {http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/mjs-trainer-he-could-still-walk-the-walk/}. We believe that these sources are as reliable as you can get.

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4-36. Hoax Objections Answered

Those who believe in the intentional murder theory, as well as those who believe the official story, have often given one or more of the following reasons against the hoax: there would be way too many people “in on it” (so surely someone would’ve let the cat out of the bag by now); or, many of the things that have happened would be illegal, if it was a hoax; or, the government would not be in on a plan to expose corruption in the government, etc.

First and most important: the intentional murder theory (designed to look like a fake death) would require as much or more people to be “in on it”, than the hoax theory (it even requires the family to be involved). And if it’s possible to get people involved in murder, for whatever reason (money, or power, or whatever): don’t you think it would be even easier to get people involved in a hoax?

Besides, the entire state of California is not in on the hoax. MJ has been planning this hoax for many years; and he had the time and influence to get a few key people in the right positions to pull it off—and yes, even government agencies still have some good people in them. Look at history: many times people in high positions have stood up against the corruption in their own system (government, or church, etc).

But MJ did not involve large quantities of people. In fact, the “three-way theory” is basically correct {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5382&start=0}; this theory states that the fewer people “in on it”, the better (although more than three are actually involved, and the “three-way theory” does allow for more than three).

Also, as far as possible, legal loopholes were used. Nevertheless, with a hoax of this magnitude and importance: whether the line was ever crossed, between being inside or outside of legal loopholes, is a question that probably doesn’t even need to be answered.

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4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax

In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?
 
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4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax

In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?

I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.

For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.

I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?

Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.

This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.

Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/}

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4-38. Only a Few Would Need to Be “In On It”

Let me also clue you in on a few tricks, so that only a relatively few people would need to be “in on it”. The endlessly discussed helicopter ride to the coroner: it could’ve had a living and/or a dead body in it, but not MJ; and yet none of the people in the copter, or working that situation, would’ve had any clue that MJ was alive.

All you would need to do is create a diversion for the media and public: the helicopter and all would be a big show for the media, while they transport the (supposedly) “real” MJ’s body in an unmarked vehicle—this would keep MJ’s body safer. And all the people “involved” in that diversion operation would play right along, and obey without question like good little boys and girls, thinking all the while that MJ’s dead body was being transported in some unmarked vehicle (and not even questioning whether or not MJ was actually dead). And even if they suspected later that MJ is alive, how would they know? They would not know, they would just suspect it (like hoax believers).

The fact that it’s a criminal case is another good alibi for secrecy and cover-up; this way, nobody thinks twice when they’re told not to talk about what they did or did not see at UCLA on June 25 (or other times and places).

Some have said that Forest Lawn (FL) would need to be in on the hoax; and maybe they are, but maybe not. If there was an actual dead body used during at least some of the process: then a dead body could’ve been at FL, even though it was not MJ. And sooner or later, the family could say: “We’ve decided to bury MJ somewhere else; but for privacy and security reasons, we want the public to think that he is buried here.”

They might even have FL sign confidentiality agreements, promising not to let anyone know that MJ was not buried at FL. Of course FL would still get paid, because the family did purchase space there {http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/us/04jackson.html}; and since FL got their money, they would not care where MJ was actually buried, and that would be the end of it—FL might never imagine that MJ is still alive.

Do I need to give any more hints? I think I’ve said enough already. Besides, you want some surprises left for after Bamsday, don’t you?

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4-39. Piece by Piece Return, Versus Bamsday

If you search through TIAI Revealed, Parts 1-9; and also TIAI Updates, #1 - #3, you will find that I repeatedly used the word “return”, but only used the word “bam” about six times—and when I did use “bam”, I was merely referring generally to the statement at the end of TII (but not discussing the meaning of “bam”, when or what it is about, etc). Also, I never once use the term “bamsday” (not until this update).

Since this update is about timing, the time has come for me to discuss the “bam”; and also the differences between the “return” and the “bam”. The “return” is a process, which can be short or long, depending on several factors; regardless of whether or not the return is short, the “bam” is very abrupt—and marks the end of the return process. The fact that “bam” is abrupt should be obvious—based on the word itself, based on MJ’s usage of the word in context, and based on the audio and visual imagery that is very abrupt on Jack5ons “coming soon” website {http://www.5brothersenterprises.com/}.

The return, on the other hand, is not necessarily abrupt. There are a few things in TII which indicate that the return might not be abrupt. During Light Man, it says: “... and piece by piece by piece by piece [return process], MJ is revealed, until he jumps out [bam!], and on Michael’s command, we begin.” {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 3:43}

In Staging the Return (as well as in the main movie), you can see a little of MJ before he comes out of the spider. “Then Michael was gonna come out and be revealed underneath the black widow.” {TII DVD, Staging the Return, The Adventure Begins, text from subtitle; at 19:50}.

And the bam statement itself is very clear: “Let me bathe in my own time when I come back in. I’m gonna button my shirt or jacket or whatever it is. I’m gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!” {TII DVD, Main Movie, text from subtitle; at 1:49:45}

Do you feel like MJ has been “playing with them” recently? If so, it means we are in the return process. You see, the return is when things go beyond just clues for hoax believers; it is when the public sees things that just don’t add up with the official story. Since MJ is in control: he could have several pieces revealed all in one day; or he could slow the process down, and do it over a longer period of time (until people start getting it)—in either case, the return would end with the bam (the final and ultimate revelation that MJ is alive).

Has a gradual return processes started? We may not all agree exactly when, but I think we can agree that many such things have happened in the last month or two: no RIP at the Grammy’s; Jermaine’s “airport” slip-up; Brian Oxman saying 99.9% the ambulance photo is fake; tabloid magazine publishing that MJ is alive, because the autopsy report doesn’t add up; and TMZ publishing MJHD.net website right there on their front page!

Yes, these and other things in the last month or two are more than just clues for hoax believers; they are all things which could easily cause the public to start questioning the MJ death. And keep watching for more such events; we should see them coming more and more, now that we are in the return process {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97}.

But if you go back before January, things like these were rare if ever, because we were not in the return phase yet until January. In fact, the JACK5ONS tweet on January 18: “ur eyes don't lie - media does”—this was obviously referring to the circumstances around MJ’s death; so that should’ve caused some of the public (non-hoax believers) to question the official media story. And in fact, this was the first time any of the Jacksons had referred to the hoax publicly {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965&p=61068#p61068; see also http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7155}. What better time to mark the beginning of the return, than the Jacksons first public reference to the hoax?
 
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4-40. High Probability of MJ “Return” in January 2010

And when did I say that the return would probably happen? In the month January, and specifically maybe even January 18 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=52818#p52818}. Did you think that I meant the end of the return would be in January, the bamsday? I never mentioned bamsday in that update (or at any time before Update #4); yet my usage of “return” has often referred to the end of the return (the bam). And certainly if MJ wanted, he could’ve both started and completed the return in January.

You see, in January MJ had to decide whether to end the hoax at that time (bamsday), or continue into the court case with Murray. The fact that the court process has started, should actually show us that things are going reasonably well; if not, MJ would’ve pulled the plug on it by now. And at any time, he could say: “okay everybody, that’s a wrap!” But if not, we should be prepared to wait out the court process (see 4-42, below).

By the way: I never said that the NWO/illuminati subject (TIAI message) was the only reason why MJ did not return back at Halloween. It should be noted, however, that nothing significant happened between the TII release around Halloween, and the January return process beginning—nothing except of course the TIAI redirects, and TIAI Revealed. Once that happened, then the return process began in January.

Oh, and one more thing: TMZ has been using the word “return” in their articles recently. On February 7, they had an article titled: “Plotting Return to Golf” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/07/tiger-woods-golf-return-isleworth-masters/; see also http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/12/tiger-woods-golf-return-tavistock-cup-isleworth-lake-nona-country-club/}. On March 3, they had an article “The Return of Jaafar Jackson” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/03/jaafar-jackson-stun-gun-katherine-jackson-children-services/3}. And on March 5, the anniversary of the London press conference, they had this: “Returning to the Stage … Conan O'Brien is coming back ...” {http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/05/conan-obrien-return-dodge-theatre-arizona-phoenix-tickets/}.

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4-41. Bam: Not If, But When

Some were troubled by the redirect to a YouTube video, titled “Michael Jackson death hoax: What is his message?” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAxTYemoQM; and see this thread
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028} Please remember first of all, that the redirects point to information already out there on the internet; the information is not created by TIAI, so there may be a few minor things included that are not the reason for the redirect.

This redirect was intended to emphasize the need for us all to have more LOVE in our lives—not just a word, not just a four-letter acronym (L.O.V.E.), but the real thing. This redirect was done in the context of Valentine’s Day (though about a week later); and the purpose again was to emphasize LOVE, not to minimize the importance of the return and bamsday. Nothing in that video said bamsday would never come, or that bamsday is pointless and unnecessary.

The video indicated that maybe our lack of LOVE could delay MJ; and if so, emphasizing the LOVE message would not delay the bam or make it less important—rather, it would help speed it up, which we all want because the bam is important!

And speaking of bamsday, notice that bam statement once again: “I’m gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!” Especially in a musical context like this, “snap my fingers” can only be referring to timing! Can you think of anything that has happened recently, about the hoax timing??? Then the next thing in that statement, after snapping his fingers, is the bam!

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4-42. Guilty Until Acquitted, Still Guilty After Acquitted

So much for “innocent until proven guilty”; Conrad Murray is being charged as an intentional murderer, not by the court but by the public! Yes, the Jackson family is talking more and more about murder; but this is part of the plan. And even if the court charged him with murder, the public should not consider him guilty yet; he would only be a murder suspect—until he has had a fair trial, and also been convicted.

But if he goes to trail, and is acquitted, what are the chances that the media and public are going to accept it? Much like MJ himself, no doubt Murray will still be condemned in the eyes of the public. In fact, MJ may save the bam until this happens—just to show the public that they did not treat Murray as innocent until proven guilty. Remember in V for Vendetta: V was fighting for the freedom of the citizens in general; but he was also fighting for his own personal Vendetta.

Also keep in mind the simple fact that if the hoax has continued this far, it’s has to be much more than just a joke. MJ is a prankster, yes; but it has gone way beyond that. There must be some very serious reasons for this hoax (which is what TIAI has said all along).

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4-43. For Those Losing Faith: the Trial Is Not Over Yet

In TIAI Update #2, I wrote the following: “If the doctor goes to trial, and is found not guilty: again, watch the family. If they make an uproar (which they are certainly capable of doing, with all the publicity that they get)—and show truths about a murder plot, then MJ is really dead. But if they act nearly the same as at the memorial and funeral, then MJ is alive.”

In spite of the fact that the court case is not over yet: still some people have been losing faith over the autopsy report, or the court case itself, or DR at FL, etc. But it’s not time to lose faith yet, whatever happens.

In the interview with the “airport” slip-up, Jermaine said: “... it’s all gonna come out. It’s all gonna unfold.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. So this is what we need to be waiting for; and giving up before that time is premature. “And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?” (Matthew 14:31).

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4-44. Do You Still Need Even More Evidence???????-??

For those who need even more evidence—either that MJ is alive, and/or that TIAI has valid information—probably no amount of evidence would ever convince you; at least not before bamsday, and maybe not even after bamsday (you will say it’s not really MJ, it is a double).

I’m not ready yet to say how/where I got my information; that may not happen until after bamsday. But I did give some significant indicators in this update, for those who picked up on it.

And for the video-makers in YouTube land: it would be good to put together videos about the timing of the hoax—not necessarily as detailed as this update, but enough detail to show clearly that the timing was planned (and maybe a link to this update, for those who want more detail).

Last but certainly not least: a huge thank-you to Souza and Mo for your hard work in providing this forum, and also your own research. Don’t worry about the fact that people criticize you for not being MJ fans. You are doing for MJ what millions of MJ fans are not doing. There are millions of MJ fans in the world—yes, maybe even billions. But he himself said: “I’ve met a lot of people in my life. And very few are real, real, real friends—could probably count them on one hand.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ycuZXKqdZE} Before this is all over, hopefully Michael will need more than one hand to count his real, real, real friends.
 
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^^not sure ,hope he is coming back.
 
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Found this is the Slash topic..

I think we have discussed that recording previously in this topic..

ALLEGED JACKSON AMBULANCE TAPE IS A HOAX

A paramedic who rushed Michael Jackson to a hospital the day he died said a recording purported to be him calling the emergency room is a fake, according to the Los Angeles Fire Department.
A British tabloid posted the recording online, suggesting it was evidence that Jackson had no pulse at the time, contrary to what his personal doctor said.
The audio "has been determined NOT to be the voice of any member of the Los Angeles Fire Department," fire spokesman Brian Humphrey said in a written statement Wednesday.
"The Firefighter/Paramedic who handled communications for that incident has confirmed to LAFD Administration that the voice is not his," Humphrey said.
One initial cause of skepticism about the recording was that the speakers did not use "standard protocol or established practice" followed by professional paramedics when they communicate with hospital staff, Humphrey said.
The Sun newspaper did not reveal the source of the recording, but characterized it as a "911 tape."
The disputed recording features a male, who says he is a paramedic in an ambulance, speaking to a female, who is supposedly at the emergency room of UCLA Medical Center.
"We have a male, 50. Pop star Michael Jackson. Unresponsive, no pulse. Tried to resuscitate him. Unsuccessful. We are en route," the male voice said.
"OK. We'll have doctors standing by," the female voice replied.
"We've done everything we can here in the ambulance. Hopefully, when we get there -- we should be there in five minutes," the male said. "It doesn't look good."
Humphrey said it is routine for paramedics to use a cell phone or a two-way radio to talk to an emergency room as they rush to a hospital, but they "don't normally speak like this in a medical response."
Specifically, the paramedic would not be likely to use a patient's name in the conversation, even if it is a celebrity, Humphrey said.
It would be routine for the hospital to record the conversations for legal reasons, he said.
UCLA Medical Center spokesman Dale Triber Tate said, "There is no way we could authenticate it even if we had patient/estate authorization, which we do not have."
Source: CNN
 
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mysterygirl7 said:
Did you make this video?

I don't understand, why the dramatic music needs to be there, it destroys the interview, you can't hear what they are saying...
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I made the video:p

Why theres a sad song when you see someone cry in a movie? I think you have your answer.

I know one video the sound was so low, with the TMZ guy.. but you hear the essential. Im french and I can hear everything :)
 
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Nice vid's I never saw that part of TMZ where the guy answers the question if they know that MJ's name is Joe
 
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Calotte12 said:
I made the video:p

Why theres a sad song when you see someone cry in a movie? I think you have your answer.

I know one video the sound was so low, with the TMZ guy.. but you hear the essential. Im french and I can hear everything :)
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I just don't see the need to make these videos extra dramatic with drama drama music, as if the subject isn't dramatic enough in it self.. but that has kind of turned out to be the style of these videos all over youtube..

I still think you made a good video, it's not that.. just a little annoying, that the music is so loud..
 
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Calotte12 said:
The Part 4 is almost done! About the memorial and the burial :)
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Great ! I have subscribed to your videos, they have a very strong point.
Not crazy as some are. Very argumented and clever.
Hurry up !:D
 
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:clapping:
 
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Sent me this and I found curious:


1957 - "The Court of Last Resort" >>>>> The Conrad Murray Case :bugeyed

http://www.tv4u.com/show-large-video.asp?cid=12&sid=663&vid=1753&t=The%% 20Conrad 20Case% 20Murray & cat = Drama



The Court of Last Resort was founded by Erle Stanley Gardner in the 1950s. The team sought to reveal whether someone already found guilty might really be innocent. The show dramatized the original crime then followed the investigation. Actual cases were used.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050007/plotsummary



During the creation of The Court of Last Resort, the theme resembles the mission of the Justice: Denied Magazine, the exposure of wrongfully convicted persons of crimes for which they were not responsible, even though circumstantial evidence and a jury's conviction was contrary to the evidence.
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http://www.justicedenied.org/courtoflastresort.htm



This has nothing to do with MJ, but it is very curious.... Conrad Murray is a very common name. Coincidence........ :ph34r:



Calotte12 I'm anxious for the new video. :D
 
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Thats crazy ashtanga..!! I heard that 2 days ago :O
 
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ashtanga said:
Sent me this and I found curious:


1957 - "The Court of Last Resort" >>>>> The Conrad Murray Case :bugeyed

http://www.tv4u.com/show-large-video.asp?cid=12&sid=663&vid=1753&t=The%% 20Conrad 20Case% 20Murray & cat = Drama




http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050007/plotsummary




http://www.justicedenied.org/courtoflastresort.htm



This has nothing to do with MJ, but it is very curious.... Conrad Murray is a very common name. Coincidence........ :ph34r:



Calotte12 I'm anxious for the new video. :D
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i did hear about this a few months ago,very interesting,Calotte12 i am looking forward to your videos ,also you have done very well with your videos you have done so far,
 
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Calotte12 said:
Thats crazy ashtanga..!! I heard that 2 days ago :O
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Yes!!!! :doh:



Calotte12 said:
It was posted in the main section.. but I dont think we can comment what we want so ill repost it here.


Michael knew his time has come... pretty weird isnt it ?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlIKw6ceEKo&feature=player_embedded"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlIKw6ceEKo&feature=player_embedded[/URL]
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:doh:

I'd rather not comment on that... lol! :smilerolleyes:
 
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Moving this to the conspiracy thread. But thanks Nitro!
 
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can someone please close this? it's NOT Michael!
 
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I just read this on a hoax board:
It makes me chuckle when people get all excited over SONY. Where it starts I do not know but for ..the ..last ...time. SONY is not MJ's enemy. MJ owns a big chunk of SONY publishing. He merged his company with Sony after kid trials.....so all relax. SONY IS MJ . The news yesterday is great but step back and look. Now that you know MJ owns a chunk of SONY what he really is doing is loaning himself money based on his own music sales to pay off a HUGE LOAN that has to be paid off by end of this year. Neverland is at stake and he used catalogue as collateral. Its just brilliant business. (Notice contract is for "7" years anyone??? Another 7.) I already posted about this but HUGE contract news covered over MJJ Estate is also paying the TII rehearsal costs of $35 million. Now why would his estate pay for that??? AEG has a insurance policy on MJ including death by overdose. Remember the 5 hour physical??? It was for the insurance policy.So if AEG is not cashing in policy maybe there was never one to begin with???? Maybe the costs is all for making MJ's Movie and NO concerts were ever going to really take place. So if AEG does not cash in insurance policy it must mean MJ is not dead. Cheer up people.....this week has been great. The 3rd passport of MJ with JOE as middle name was seen in body guard interviews, the big SONY contract that gives estate $200 million right away to pay off some debt and now we find out AEG is being paid back by MJJ ESTATE.....even more reasons to know he is alive.
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Is this true??
 
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^^^
don't think so.

from TMZ.

AEG took out a huge insurance policy in case Michael Jackson’s 50 London concerts but it fell through. AEG’s chief executive Randy Phillips said the $17.5 million insurance policy from Lloyd’s of London only covered a Michael Jackson overdose but didn’t cover a death from natural causes.
Phillips said the policy would still fall short of the money spent on Jackson’s advance, producing the show, covering some of Michael’s debts and paying his staff and rent, which cost between $25 and $30 million

Here it says even if the insurance pay to them they would still have a cost. Furthermore they might have tried to cash the insurance policy but could have been denied by the company due to the cause of death. Having an insurance policy does not mean that they would automatically pay the full amount, in most cases if they can find a reason insurance companies will not pay .
 
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/new...t-that-could-put-stars-medic-behind-bars.html

Don't know if you guys read this already but, News of the world seems to have gotten their hands on a ambulance report but again some things are not right.
I'll first place the document with the explanation of what's in it you can read it too in the link I posted above.

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1) JACKSON is lying "supine" on the floor of his home in LA when the paramedics arrive. Dr Murray is conducting CPR (cardio-pulmonary resuscitation) on his patient. The paramedics intubate Jackson, reporting "good lung sounds". This is a simple check to make sure the tube has gone down the patient's windpipe and not into the stomach.

They record that an intravenous drip is already in place in the patient's left leg, put there by Murray.

It is unusual that it should be in his leg and not his arm. We can only speculate that Murray couldn't find a vein in his arm because of long-term drug abuse, or that he had been dead for some time and his veins had retreated into his body.

Capnography, or the build-up of carbon dioxide in the body, is recorded initially at 16 parts per unit, then 26 when he is transported. This shows he is not breathing and therefore not expelling the gasses and they are building up inside him.

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2) JACKSON'S Vital Signs - blood pressure, pulse and respiration - are measured twice by the paramedics, at 1pm and eleven minutes later. The chart shows "zero" in each case, meaning he was technically dead.

3) THE record shows the results of an electrocardiogram measurement. He would have had electrodes placed on his chest, arms and legs to measure heartbeat.

Three doses of drugs are given intravenously: 1mg of epinephrine, an adrenalin-like drug used to try to stimulate the heart.

The result is "N" for negative. They then try atropine. This blocks the nerves, taking the body's brake off the heart to allow it to beat as much as it likes. Again, it is a negative result.

Finally they try sodium bicarbonate.

When there is no circulation, the blood becomes acidic as a by-product of the build-up of CO2. By introducing sodium bicarb you hope to return the blood to alkaline and help restart the heart.

It looks like they tried 50cc, about a cupful. Again the affect was recorded as negative. All these measurements have ASY next to them for asystole - no heartbeat. The treatments simply weren't working.

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4) THE patient does not respond to two rounds of RX/TX (treatment) so the hospital advises stopping. But Murray assumes responsibility and asks for Jackson to be transferred to the ER. There is a third round of treatment en route. At this point, his blood CO2 level is 26 parts per unit so his body is continuing to build up CO2.

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5) THE "time left scene" and "time at hospital" indicators show the journey to UCLA took just six minutes.

6) ANY time the body is moved or given a shock the electrocardiogram flutters. But we can clearly see from the charts that Jackson was flat-lining

-Now if you take a look at the first pic you will see that the date of birth seems to be 08-28-1958 which we know isn't correct.
-The zipcode on the report is 90024 which isn't correct either it should be 90077.

-Moving on to the pic with the 4 in it, look at the time 11:51:33 that is way before the 911 call so it couldn't be of the LAFD.
But yet it is see at the bottom on the right?

At first when I read the stuff above I thought ok that's it for me I'm no longer believing this could be a hoax.
But after reading all the things that are again a bit weird I'm back at being not so sure...
 
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