The Great Debate - Poll of Polls

[Alec]

^^
people say MICHAEL JACKSON didn't know how/couldn't properly record 12 tracks in a basement studio.

My friends record in a studio that remarkably resambles what was Angelikson's (Eddie Cascio) said to be at the time MJ recorded there.

a $150 mic, no vocal booth - yet perfect vocal recording as you can hear on the two snippets I provided.

My point is:
Michael working in a home studio could record an entire album's worth of new music that would be perfectly fine quality.

 

[StaceyMJ]

OK, because I'd like this thread to be able to finally move on, and more importantly because I feel I am now put in a position where I have to explain my actions more clearly I will do so now and address your posts.

I am tired of seeing how biased the censorship/banning policy is.

The doubters are censored because of a pure joke, or banned because they're fighting out for the truth, while on the other hand some non-doubter(s) call doubters a cancer!

For God's sake we have a MJJ staff who claimed not long ago that his sources told him directly from SONY that there was going to be a meeting regarding the Cascio tracks because they did hire an impersonator to cover over 50% of the vocals, now (after the supposed meeting) he claims it's 100% Michael on those very songs.

Where are we heading to with respectively such illogical staff recruitment and censorship/banning policy??? And how can we have a fair debate?

Good post. Maybe someone will actually address these issues one day.

It's been asked numerous times why it's ok for the 'believers' to state 'it's 100% Michael Jackson on those songs' yet, it's not ok for the 'non-believers' to state 'it's NOT Michael Jackson on these songs'...In fact, I asked this very question in my last post in this thread before it was closed, and now, that post was removed...Why is that?

This isn't much of a debate thread when it seems that the 'non-believers' are being censored....

In response to both of you, I have never, hand on heart, banned anybody because of their stance on the new album. I have kept quiet around here on my personal beliefs. I actually too, doubt the authenticity of some of the vocals. I have no problem with this being discussed and this was not the reason that samhabib was banned. There were outstanding issues with him and his conduct on the board. Again, I reiterate, it was NOT anything to do with his beliefs on the vocals on Michael.

1) No Smooth did not answer the questions. Yes he did explain himself several times about only one bit of his post, but he never answered the questions that some fans including myself asked him.

2) You compare people on this thread to cancer and I am provoking???? That's the best one I've ever heard!

I cannot speak on behalf of smooth. I can only take what he says at face value, and I would ask that you all do the same. There are by no means from my point of view different rules for him than there are for any member of this board.

Could someone address the bold part? Also, why it appears that the banning policy is more lenient towards the non-doubters?

I have to say that this is not something that has been consciously noticable to me. I am upset that you all think it is for other reasons. I hope this can be rectified.

Thanks for your apology, I appreciate it.

I just don't get why the staff banned Sam and some others are even not reminded of misconduct. And I am not referring only to your post.

I often ask members to report posts, staff here are only human, we can't be everywhere, see everything, and read every post on this board. It is not possible considering we all have lives and careers as well as running MJJC. A quick report post click would greatly help us out and we will deal with posts as soon as we can.

Many of us asked the same question. This thread is closed and our posts are removed.

I closed and removed posts, not out of malice or wanting to censor anything. This was never my intention and I'm sorry it seems that way. I was trying to bring the thread back on course. It is not easy to discuss a banning when I am unable to divulge the exact details of the banning. This is protocol for all bannings, out of fairness to both the member, and to the MJJC staff. For instance, discussing samhabib's banning without allowing him a voice as well would be unfair.

This is in no way a threat.

If there is no good reason for banning Sam, and if I see that doubters are systematically censored or banned for their opinions, while 'believers' are treated as privileged, I don't see why I'd still support this community. After so many years that I spent here, I am terribly sorry that the situation has degressed at such an extent. I don't want to have impression to support imposters vocals even though I bought three copies of the new album.

Again, I am very sorry you have been made to feel this way. I have noted your concerns, this was never my intention. In fact I have always been strongly against any type of censorship, here or elsewhere. I would hope that some of you would know me enough by now to see that.

^^ I don't understand the reasoning behind Sam's ban either. He wasn't being rude, and he brings very insightful, thought-provoking issues to light....He's a fantastic debater...I don't understand it...

I hope my post here has enlightened you somewhat. I have said all I am allowed to say on the matter.

I follow several threads in this forum religiously. I don't remember him saying anything that crossed the line. Like I said in my deleted post, he debates with passion because he breathes Michael Jackson. Somtimes, his over-confidence may be mistakened as arrogance. On the other hand, someone he argued with called him a haters in disguise.

Why terms like haters and "fans" (with quotations marks) are allowed to be used to describe doubters?

Also, isn't this a debate thread? Heated arguments cannot not be avoided. Authenticity issue is a sensitive issue. Take a look to the poll result. The community remains divided. Doubters are not the minority here. Even if the doubuters are minority, the doubters should be treated equally.

If I was to see a post like that then I would delete it and address it. Again I will urge you to use the report post feature so it can be dealt with. Above all, I am learning I need to be much more diligent with these topics about authenticity. This situation is very new to us mods and staff too, a situation that none of us are exactly old hat at dealing with.

When the truth will come, and it will happen sooner or later.....

Some people will be very sorry for the things that they said and made to the people that defended that the Cascio´s tracks are fake.

There are 38 Mj fan clubs all over the world that defended the Cascio´s tracks are fake.

I don´t know what is happening in this forum....

We want Sam back !!!

I'm not sure how to answer that... It is what it is I guess.

The bolded part: this has happened to him SEVERAL times...

I agree with everything else...It's a debate, things are going to get heated, and yes, confidence is KEY, albeit, with respect....I think that people are just a little too sensitive, which is fine, but, maybe they shouldn't participate in this thread then...Just a thought...

This thread is for everybody, whatever their beliefs. I don't think it would be too much to ask for people to think about what they post before submitting a reply. There are people of all mindsets, cultures etc etc. Sometimes a first language not being English can affect this? I don't know, I don't think I'm fully aware of the post this is being directed at.

Normally, I wouldn't be too forward with things like this, but really, you're dealing with moderators that mostly believe the songs are authentic. So it is likely, that they happen to relate more to the believers than to the non-believers (a.k.a. one might experience an emotional reaction and response).

Another point is, perhaps the believers, being more sensitive to these sort of debates, report posts more frequently than non-believers. And when coupled with the above possibility, one could feel like the forum is slanted in favour of one side.

What we might need in a situation like this is a middle-man. Someone who represents the rational and logical view of things, and who isn't biased to either side (not a must, but would be a bonus).

You make a good point. Maybe that is something we can look into. Whats important here for me is that everybody feels welcome to discuss their personal beliefs.

You bring up some valid points....Especially the bolded part...I agree....I just feel this forum, this thread especially, needs a heavy dose of objectivity...

I hope from now on we can exercise this.

With all that said, your feedback is great, it helps me and the rest of the staff go forward in a way that can benefit everyone. If anybody has any further questions about anything at all or suggestions, please do PM me. I hope you'll accept my apology if I have moderated in a way that has seemed unfair to all of you I have addressed here. I hope we can move on in a way that will benefit all members here, no matter what their beliefs may be.

I hope this will draw a line in this thread that we can move on from. Anymore issues please PM me as this thread really needs to get back on course now.

:flowers:

 

[love is magical]

Thanks Stacey. I appreciate all the time and efforts you put into this community. You guys have been doing a great job.

It's not my intention to single you or any other moderators out. I just want to express my observations. I'm glad you are so open to our suggestions and understand our concerns.

As a member who visit this forum on a regular basis, I wish nothing but the best to this forum. In order for this community to be stronger and more successful, objectivity and fair atmorsphere where everyone feels comfortable expressing his/her voice need to be maintained.

 

[Arklove]

Thanks for addressing it, Stacey.

 

[Vale4263]

We posted several links to compare Michael's voice and the one of other people like Malachi's one.
Listen to breaking news, monster, keep your head up and the snippet of stay.

Then listen to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdyxV1lsdg

I don't want to declare it's Malachi who is the impersonator but that's one more video to make your opinion and compare.

 

[Aniram]

Maybe someone should try singing the songs without the vibrato and see if they even sound good that way. Maybe Michael felt like that's how the songs were supposed to sound. He's so angry and full of emotion that he sounds a little like a goat, but that's okay?

 

[larry141094]

I have one word, and it will be my final on this matter... Melodyne, don't like it? then thats too bad, but the tracks are Michael and thats the side MJJCOMMUNITY will be taking *cough* i mean SHOULD be taking sorry

 

[if.it.aint.broke.break.it]

I have one word, and it will be my final on this matter... Melodyne, don't like it? then thats too bad, but the tracks are Michael and thats the side MJJCOMMUNITY will be taking *cough* i mean SHOULD be taking sorry

I like Melodyne. I don't like when it's being used as a scapegoat.

It ain't Melodyne on those three tracks and wherever Teddy gets off saying it's on other tracks too is beyond me - although I know what he says is off and the way he treat people on his Twitter was wonderful - I don't want to support someone who's acting like that. If it's too much, step away from the computer, step away from the internet world and try to take an objective view.

Anyone who can talk so well about one thing but become visibly worried (determined from their body language - it doesn't lie) about another thing is worried about something and talking about them only makes it worse. If you want to know where the only instance of Melodyne is, it's on the end of The Way You Love Me. If you didn't know that, then you don't know Melodyne.


Here's a good example (U2's Magnificent with or without Melodyne) - see the difference? Yes, a little slower and more pitched down. Do you recognise both as Bono?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi52HjJbwVQ (normal mix)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwLqCmP0TaU (Melodyne remix)

 

[love is magical]

Maybe someone should try singing the songs without the vibrato and see if they even sound good that way. Maybe Michael felt like that's how the songs were supposed to sound. He's so angry and full of emotion that he sounds a little like a goat, but that's okay?

Did Michael sound like a goat on Scream, TDCAU, This Time Around, D.S., Tabloid Junkie, 2 Bad, Morphine, Is It Scary, Ghost, Privacy, Threatened, Shout, and Blue Gangster?

 

[Aniram]

Yeah, but do any of those song you mentioned go "Everybody wantin' a piece of a Michael Jackson"? Didn't think so! The songs are quite different for MJ.

 

[kopwatcher]

I just want the truth to come out. I'm confident I know what the truth is but I want it out in the open. I can easily handle differing opinions. With opinions there is no right or wrong answer, there is scope for disagreement. However this isn't one of those cases - what I can't handle is people believing something I know is wrong and there being no proof to convince them otherwise.

That said, I have to wonder if any amount of truth or admission would be enough for some people to change their mind. You would think the plethora of flimsy excuses that we keep hearing (broken hard drives, no demos, processing, waaaay too many to list) combined with the opinion of roughly half the fanbase would be enough to at least instil doubt. Unfortunately not the case.

It is just so incredibly frustrating, hence the heated exchanges. Every time I see someone say "it's 100% MJ, no doubt", it's like reading "2x4=7". How can you let that pass? I don't blame the people that say it, I blame the people behind this album. Not only for allowing it to happen, but for deliberately engineering this fraud.

 

[wolfrevenant]

I feel that the real frustrating thing, is that we're debating with mostly unverifiable information. As a result, there doesn't seem to be any significant progress in either direction. It's all going round in circles.

And honestly, if one of us were to provide some proper objective analysis on the tracks, a.k.a evidence, would anyone here be willing to pursue further? Or will it just serve as a form of "comfort" evidence, in a way that it only confirms your opinions on the matter, but it doesn't actually constitute verifiable information to the community?

 

[love is magical]

Yeah, but do any of those song you mentioned go "Everybody wantin' a piece of a Michael Jackson"? Didn't think so! The songs are quite different for MJ.

None of the songs I mentined sound the same. The subject, the tempo, the beat, the range are all different. The point is he never sounded like a goat. No unnecessary vibrato in any one of the songs I mentioned.

Contrary to what some's suggestion, I never think Monster or Breaking news is innovative whatsoever.

From lyrical content standpoint, Michael explored this theme (media abuse) many times before. Tabloid Junkie and Threatened are much better written.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

OK, because I'd like this thread to be able to finally move on, and more importantly because I feel I am now put in a position where I have to explain my actions more clearly I will do so now and address your posts.







In response to both of you, I have never, hand on heart, banned anybody because of their stance on the new album. I have kept quiet around here on my personal beliefs. I actually too, doubt the authenticity of some of the vocals. I have no problem with this being discussed and this was not the reason that samhabib was banned. There were outstanding issues with him and his conduct on the board. Again, I reiterate, it was NOT anything to do with his beliefs on the vocals on Michael.



I cannot speak on behalf of smooth. I can only take what he says at face value, and I would ask that you all do the same. There are by no means from my point of view different rules for him than there are for any member of this board.



I have to say that this is not something that has been consciously noticable to me. I am upset that you all think it is for other reasons. I hope this can be rectified.



I often ask members to report posts, staff here are only human, we can't be everywhere, see everything, and read every post on this board. It is not possible considering we all have lives and careers as well as running MJJC. A quick report post click would greatly help us out and we will deal with posts as soon as we can.



I closed and removed posts, not out of malice or wanting to censor anything. This was never my intention and I'm sorry it seems that way. I was trying to bring the thread back on course. It is not easy to discuss a banning when I am unable to divulge the exact details of the banning. This is protocol for all bannings, out of fairness to both the member, and to the MJJC staff. For instance, discussing samhabib's banning without allowing him a voice as well would be unfair.



Again, I am very sorry you have been made to feel this way. I have noted your concerns, this was never my intention. In fact I have always been strongly against any type of censorship, here or elsewhere. I would hope that some of you would know me enough by now to see that.



I hope my post here has enlightened you somewhat. I have said all I am allowed to say on the matter.



If I was to see a post like that then I would delete it and address it. Again I will urge you to use the report post feature so it can be dealt with. Above all, I am learning I need to be much more diligent with these topics about authenticity. This situation is very new to us mods and staff too, a situation that none of us are exactly old hat at dealing with.



I'm not sure how to answer that... It is what it is I guess.



This thread is for everybody, whatever their beliefs. I don't think it would be too much to ask for people to think about what they post before submitting a reply. There are people of all mindsets, cultures etc etc. Sometimes a first language not being English can affect this? I don't know, I don't think I'm fully aware of the post this is being directed at.



You make a good point. Maybe that is something we can look into. Whats important here for me is that everybody feels welcome to discuss their personal beliefs.



I hope from now on we can exercise this.

With all that said, your feedback is great, it helps me and the rest of the staff go forward in a way that can benefit everyone. If anybody has any further questions about anything at all or suggestions, please do PM me. I hope you'll accept my apology if I have moderated in a way that has seemed unfair to all of you I have addressed here. I hope we can move on in a way that will benefit all members here, no matter what their beliefs may be.

I hope this will draw a line in this thread that we can move on from. Anymore issues please PM me as this thread really needs to get back on course now.

:flowers:

Hi Stacey,

thanks for your time and your response. I really appreciate it. As far as I am concerned I wasn't targeting anyone in particular, but rather some facts that I have witnessed on this board in general.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I have one word, and it will be my final on this matter... Melodyne, don't like it? then thats too bad, but the tracks are Michael and thats the side MJJCOMMUNITY will be taking *cough* i mean SHOULD be taking sorry

Well, I'd suggest you to first look at the title of the thread: Polls of Polls, and secondly take at look at the number of people who think it is Michael: less than 50%! In other words a minority!

The other half of the community think the songs are fake, while the rest think that the songs are partially fake and a very small number still cannot decide.

If MJJ Community takes a side, more than half of the fans risk to quit this community.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I don't know if you realize this, but before we used to discover Malachi's songs and would say wow this guy has similar voice to MJ. Since we heard the Cascio tracks, strangely enough we've been doing the other way round -something that we had never done before- we've been saying :"wow, 'MJ' on those songs sounds like Malachi!"

 

[love is magical]

I just want the truth to come out. I'm confident I know what the truth is but I want it out in the open. I can easily handle differing opinions. With opinions there is no right or wrong answer, there is scope for disagreement. However this isn't one of those cases - what I can't handle is people believing something I know is wrong and there being no proof to convince them otherwise.

That said, I have to wonder if any amount of truth or admission would be enough for some people to change their mind. You would think the plethora of flimsy excuses that we keep hearing (broken hard drives, no demos, processing, waaaay too many to list) combined with the opinion of roughly half the fanbase would be enough to at least instil doubt. Unfortunately not the case.

It is just so incredibly frustrating, hence the heated exchanges. Every time I see someone say "it's 100% MJ, no doubt", it's like reading "2x4=7". How can you let that pass? I don't blame the people that say it, I blame the people behind this album. Not only for allowing it to happen, but for deliberately engineering this fraud.

I feel that the real frustrating thing, is that we're debating with mostly unverifiable information. As a result, there doesn't seem to be any significant progress in either direction. It's all going round in circles.

And honestly, if one of us were to provide some proper objective analysis on the tracks, a.k.a evidence, would anyone here be willing to pursue further? Or will it just serve as a form of "comfort" evidence, in a way that it only confirms your opinions on the matter, but it doesn't actually constitute verifiable information to the community?

It's indeed very frustrating. :no:

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

It's indeed very frustrating. :no:

Happy New Year!

 

[love is magical]

Happy New Year!

Happy New Year! So happy to see you here today. :better:

 

[bluesky]

Originally Posted by kopwatcher
It is just so incredibly frustrating, hence the heated exchanges. Every time I see someone say "it's 100% MJ, no doubt", it's like reading "2x4=7".





..
I wonder if that's obvious and undeniable truth, then how come nothing or nobody coming out and say so except from some of the fan. What about All the media and critic????.
And what about the people involved (must be a lot of people: musicians, producers, ....etc)


So far, nothing...

Just because people don't accept it . They already mentioned guided DEMO and completed by the producers.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

It is just so incredibly frustrating, hence the heated exchanges. Every time I see someone say "it's 100% MJ, no doubt", it's like reading "2x4=7".


I wonder if that's obvious and undeniable truth, then how come nothing or nobody coming out and say so except from some of the fan. What about All the media and critic????.
And what about the people involved (must be a lot of people: musicians, producers, ....etc)


So far, nothing...

Just because people don't accept it . They already mentioned guided DEMO and completed by the producers.

Everybody knows that 2x4=9

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

I just listened to the full version of Slave To The Rhythm.

First, I still can't figure out why this song wasn't included on MICHAEL. I really do hope that they are preparing a blockbuster album with powerful songs such as STTR!

Second, after listening to the song, I just realized that in a real Michaelmania world, STTR, Blue Gangsta & DYWYCA would have been on MICHAEL, while BN, Monster and KYHU would have been leaked by DJs. In other words the controversy would have been around leaked songs, not around the tracks on the king's very album!

It's so frustrating. As much as the Cascios claim to be there for Michael, they most probably knew that there was going to be such a controversy, yet they decided to ignore and neglect that. As a result we have Michael's good friends involved in the new album who apparently didn't care about fans or actually Michael's work in general. Who would imagine that from good friends.

 

[wolfrevenant]

I just listened to the full version of Slave To The Rhythm.

First, I still can't figure out why this song wasn't included on MICHAEL. I really do hope that they are preparing a blockbuster album with powerful songs such as STTR!

Second, after listening to the song, I just realized that in a real Michaelmania world, STTR, Blue Gangsta & DYWYCA would have been on MICHAEL, while BN, Monster and KYHU would have been leaked by DJs. In other words the controversy would have been around leaked songs, not around the tracks on the king's very album!

It's so frustrating. As much as the Cascios claim to be there for Michael, they most probably knew that there was going to be such a controversy, yet they decided to ignore and neglect that. As a result we have Michael's good friends involved in the new album who apparently didn't care about fans or actually Michael's work in general. Who would imagine that from good friends.

A bit off-topic but, there's a full version of STTR? Is it fan-made, DJ-personalised or the real deal? Where did you get it?

I agree in a way that, none of this would have happened if they had just removed the controversial tracks. But in the end, they either thought the issue of authenticity was only minor, they didn't want to back down to pressure, or they just wanted to make sure they got their returns from investing in these tracks.

I doubt Michael's good friends (who were working on the album) had control over what was going to be released. Otherwise, they might have listened to the fans' comments better. But since the decision is in the hands of Sony/The Estate, who were probably solely interested in the financial gains of the project (and for the reasons stated above), it's no surprise the album proceeded with the initial song choices.

 

[Arklove]

^^ Slave to the Rhythm

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3159441&postcount=1

 

[wolfrevenant]

^^ Slave to the Rhythm

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3159441&postcount=1

Thanks for the link!

 

[Vlens]

I just listened to the full version of Slave To The Rhythm.

First, I still can't figure out why this song wasn't included on MICHAEL. I really do hope that they are preparing a blockbuster album with powerful songs such as STTR!

Second, after listening to the song, I just realized that in a real Michaelmania world, STTR, Blue Gangsta & DYWYCA would have been on MICHAEL, while BN, Monster and KYHU would have been leaked by DJs. In other words the controversy would have been around leaked songs, not around the tracks on the king's very album!

It's so frustrating. As much as the Cascios claim to be there for Michael, they most probably knew that there was going to be such a controversy, yet they decided to ignore and neglect that. As a result we have Michael's good friends involved in the new album who apparently didn't care about fans or actually Michael's work in general. Who would imagine that from good friends.

They wanted to release the casio tracks first because they wanted the album to sound modern... The next album will have those tracks, imagine it:

Slave to the rythm: first single (Very succesful)
Blue ganster: second single
DYKWYCA: third single
Place with no name
all i need
....

= AWSOME album! but i really hope to hear the other casio tracks .... to me they are very good IMO

Am i the only who loves all i need?

 

[love is magical]

I just listened to the full version of Slave To The Rhythm.

First, I still can't figure out why this song wasn't included on MICHAEL. I really do hope that they are preparing a blockbuster album with powerful songs such as STTR!

Second, after listening to the song, I just realized that in a real Michaelmania world, STTR, Blue Gangsta & DYWYCA would have been on MICHAEL, while BN, Monster and KYHU would have been leaked by DJs. In other words the controversy would have been around leaked songs, not around the tracks on the king's very album!

It's so frustrating. As much as the Cascios claim to be there for Michael, they most probably knew that there was going to be such a controversy, yet they decided to ignore and neglect that. As a result we have Michael's good friends involved in the new album who apparently didn't care about fans or actually Michael's work in general. Who would imagine that from good friends.

A bit off-topic but, there's a full version of STTR? Is it fan-made, DJ-personalised or the real deal? Where did you get it?

I agree in a way that, none of this would have happened if they had just removed the controversial tracks. But in the end, they either thought the issue of authenticity was only minor, they didn't want to back down to pressure, or they just wanted to make sure they got their returns from investing in these tracks.

I doubt Michael's good friends (who were working on the album) had control over what was going to be released. Otherwise, they might have listened to the fans' comments better. But since the decision is in the hands of Sony/The Estate, who were probably solely interested in the financial gains of the project (and for the reasons stated above), it's no surprise the album proceeded with the initial song choices.

:agree::agree::agree:

 

[love is magical]

They wanted to release the casio tracks first because they wanted the album to sound modern... The next album will have those tracks, imagine it:

Slave to the rythm: first single (Very succesful)
Blue ganster: second single
DYKWYCA: third single
Place with no name
all i need
....

= AWSOME album! but i really hope to hear the other casio tracks .... to me they are very good IMO

Am i the only who loves all i need?

To me, Slave to the Rhythm sounds much HOTTER than Monster. Anyway, good music is timeless. Billie Jean, Smooth Criminal, Earth Song sound as fresh now as in 1982, 1987 and 1995. If they have good music, release it. Do what Michael would have done. Release the best of the best and don't hold back anything.

Obviously, Sony and the Estate put financial gain ahead of quality, which is very frustrating from fans' standpoint.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Here is what actually bothers me as a Michael Jackson fan.

When I heard this song by Stevie Wonder I was ready to bet anything in my life that Michael was singing with other background vocalists. Let's admit it, it is really not easy to hear Michael there and I am sure that many fans ignore that Michael sang in this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ9Pa41KJjM&feature=related

I wanted so badly to know if Michael was really singing in the background vocals on that song that I went to the store only to see the credits on the song. Guess what? Michael is credited as one of background vocalist. Now after listening to the song, let's admit that without paying really close attention it is quite difficult to hear Michael there.
The thing is, I even did not pay close attention and immediately I did recognize Michael among all those voices.

Now, someone explain to me, why do I have so much hard time despite making extra effort to hear Michael's voice on Monster or Breaking News on the lead vocals? I just don't hear neither Michael's timbre nor accent nor intonation, nor power, nor husk, nor spark, nothing! (which I didn't have with songs like SHOUT or 2000 WATTS).

 

[L.T.D]

Here is what actually bothers me as a Michael Jackson fan.

When I heard this song by Stevie Wonder I was ready to bet anything in my life that Michael was singing with other background vocalists. Let's admit it, it is really not easy to hear Michael there and I am sure that many fans ignore that Michael sang in this song (despite the fact that it is rather not Michael's kind of song):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ9Pa41KJjM&feature=related

I wanted so badly to know if Michael was really singing in the background vocals on that song that I went to the store only to see the credits on the song. Guess what? Michael is credited as one of background vocalist. Now after listening to the song, let's admit that without paying really close attention it is quite difficult to hear Michael there.
The thing is, I even did not pay close attention and immediately I did recognize Michael among all those voices.

Now, someone explain to me, why do I have so much hard time despite making extra effort to hear Michael's voice on Monster or Breaking News on the lead vocals? I just don't hear neither Michael's timbre nor accent nor intonation, nor power, nor husk, nor spark, nothing! (which I didn't have with songs like SHOUT or 2000 WATTS).

I know, I completely understand how you feel. It is painful how obvious it has become that it isnt MJ on these songs. But I have learnt by now after 2 months of this garbage that there is not much point debating all of this much further, people seem to be pretty set on their beliefs about these songs (although a lot of people are changing their minds after seeing/hearing some of the Jason Malachi comparison videos).

At this point we are going round in circles, we are hearing one thing while others are hearing something completely different. We are so sure that it isnt MJ on these songs, but then there are others on the other side who seem just as sure that it is Michael. This can be very frustrating as you kind of know that what you are feeling is right, but you have to be careful how you express that as it can be seen as arrogant and you can get in trouble here. Sometimes I just feel like screaming 'Look you're wrong! Get your ears checked!', but of course that would be completely inappropriate and would land me in a whole heap of trouble.... These are some of the final points I will make on this subject, as I would pretty much feel like I was repeating myself after this. Which I pretty much have been doing for 2 months now.

I think the biggest mistake a lot of people have made is they should have just stuck with their instincts, I remember clearly hearing Breaking News that morning and coming on here hoping to god that everyone hadnt fallen for it. I was pleasantly suprised as pretty much everyone seemed to be mouthing off saying it wasnt Michael, even some saying it was Jason Malachi (Which I had suspected since the very first listen).

Suddenly the Estate released their statement and there were fans literally changing their minds right in front of my eyes. My first thoughts on this were that I couldnt believe people had such a lack of faith in there own judgement that they needed someone else to make their mind up for them.

Are people not wondering why there is such a lack of promotion? It seems to me like they have realised that a big mistake has been made here, I saw an advert for Michael weeks ago during the X Factor on TV, I havent seen ANY other form of promotion since then in the UK. Literally nothing. They will probably release another single or two but i'd be willing to bet that neither of them will be Cascio tracks.

They released Breaking News online in my opinion to test the waters and see what the publics reaction would be, initially it was terrible...then it became less terrible once the Estate released their statement full of a load of random claims without anything to back it up.

To me nothing is more logical than believing what your ears are telling you, rather than listening to what you're told despite your ears telling you the complete opposite. Music to me is about feeling, not tests, forensic scientists, genies and goblins....

8th November 2010, I woke up full of excitement in anticipation of hearing a brand new Michael Jackson recording. I had waited years for this! Many of us had waited 9 years! I'm lieing in bed with my earphones in and the music hits and I have a big smile on my face, I couldnt believe I was actually about to hear this new Michael Jackson recording!

Then the vocals hit:doh: My smile immediately turned to a look of bewilderment. I couldnt believe what I was hearing, I remember disctinctly thinking, this sounds more like Jason Malachi. This has not changed for me since, the new comparison video's only make it more obvious for me.

Thats it for me on this subject, after two months i'm saying goodbye to it. I hope the truth comes out eventually, but until then there isnt much we can say or do.

Just keep getting those Malachi video's out there Pentum and Co. They are definately helping.