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The Great Debate - Poll of Polls

Do I believe It Is Michael On The Three Tracks In Question.

  • Yes

    Votes: 152 39.6%

  • No

    Votes: 135 35.2%

  • I Can Not Decide

    Votes: 24 6.3%

  • Maybe in Parts

    Votes: 73 19.0%
  • Total voters
    384
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No. Eddie Cascio mentioned putting a box spring + mattress and a flat screen TV to a corner and sectioning of with curtains and a dance floor. and I know probably without a picture/video you wouldn't believe that either.

(and anyone please do not claim that the normal thing to do is to take photographs of your guests when they are sleeping and if they didn't do so they should be liars).
 
Is incredible how people that is supposed to know how Mj sounds tells that Mj sung in those songs.

Incredible.

I don't your real motivations but Mj is looking to us from heaven and he knows that he did not sung those songs.

The truth will come out sooner or later.

Be prepare.
 
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ivy said:
No. Eddie Cascio mentioned putting a box spring + mattress and a flat screen TV to a corner and sectioning of with curtains and a dance floor. and I know probably without a picture/video you wouldn't believe that either.

(and anyone please do not claim that the normal thing to do is to take photographs of your guests when they are sleeping and if they didn't do so they should be liars).
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:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

this is acutally funny.
 
I've listen to the album, I don't know how many times now, and I am convinced the 3 Cascio tracks have no Michael's vocals on them. Maybe some 'heehee's' and 'oowww's' taken from other recordings but that's just about it.

I don't know how people are still convinced it's Mike's voice...
 
smooth_criminal05 said:
KYHU is Michael Jackson end of story.
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Oh ok, just needed you to confirm that for me. Now I believe it :)

Also, why was my earlier post removed? It was just a joke.....jeez. Who on earth would take that seriously?
 
^^ apparently, it wasn't very funny...I thought it was hilarious....
 
L.T.D said:
Also, why was my earlier post removed? It was just a joke.....jeez. Who on earth would take that seriously?
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People whose ideas you were making fun of took it seriously and reported it. Remember there are two sides here, what comes as joke and funny to you can come as an insult and hurtful to other people. I'm sure you wouldn't also appreciated it if someone made a joke on your expense. Let empathy and respect to be the words of today.
 
ivy said:
No. Eddie Cascio mentioned putting a box spring + mattress and a flat screen TV to a corner and sectioning of with curtains and a dance floor. and I know probably without a picture/video you wouldn't believe that either.

(and anyone please do not claim that the normal thing to do is to take photographs of your guests when they are sleeping and if they didn't do so they should be liars).
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I'm sorry but the only way you can claim, as a fact, that 'Michael was sleeping at a corner in the studio' would be to have some evidence of him sleeping there. You've just regurgitated the Cascio's completely unsubstantiated claims. If the vocals are bogus, as many of us believe they are, then any unsubstantiated evidence that they try to use to bolster their claims is just as bogus.

Saying 'Michael Jackson slept here' is not the same as Michael Jackson sleeping there. If that was the case, the Arvizos would have been millionaires by now.
 
Kapital77 said:
Is incredible how people that is supposed to know how Mj sounds tells that Mj sung in those songs.

Incredible.

I don't your real motivations but Mj is looking to us from heaven and he knows that he did not sung those songs.

The truth will come out sooner or later.

Be prepare.
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What's incredible is how you think you know what Michael is thinking at the moment. What's incredible is how many of you are still attempting to force your opinion on others with the "I can't believe all you "fans" think it's Michael" type of posts. Not everyone agree's with you, that doesn't make them any less of a fan, nor does it mean they have some secret agenda and motivation.

People hear Michael, they hear him, they don't, they don't. There's no concrete evidence for either side, therefore, people are allowed to think and feel what they want. And shouldn't be accused of having separate agendas because they don't agree with you.

samhabib said:
^ It's your assertion that Michael Jackson recorded his once in a lifetime voice on a cheap microphone, for the first time in his life, on these debated songs?

It's excuse after excuse. Last night it was because Seth Riggs wasn't with him to warm his voice up.

Surely the excuses will run out sooner or later.
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That's not what I said anyhow. My post was in response to the "most people won't notice the difference" comment, which wasn't true. I didn't say anything about what Michael did.
 
kopwatcher said:
Since when does the use of poor equipment make you sound like someone else? So far we've had the following excuses:

- Poor equipment
- MJ not properly warmed up
- MJ not trying
- MJ only doing guide vocals
- MJ having an off day
- Processing

It's getting boring to the point of irritation now. Not a single one of these would make you sound like someone else (especially with a producer of Riley's calibre). This is clutching at straws of the highest order.
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Don't forget also:

- His voice changed
- He had a cold
- His voice was pitched
- He sang through a pvc-pipe

IMO even if all these excuses took place at the same time, still we would be able to recognise MJ's voice which, in the Cascio tracks, is impossible to do!
 
AnnieRUOkay89 said:
That's not what I said anyhow. My post was in response to the "most people won't notice the difference" comment, which wasn't true. I didn't say anything about what Michael did.
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But this thread is a debate concerning the album. Why post this:

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Yes they would, and like I said numerous times, if you haven't worked in a studio, it'd be quite hard for you to tell someone what they would hear, or even understand it. Cheap home studio microphones have this certain sound, and when compared to a studio recording, that change is noticeable. First off, if you were to place a microphone in an empty room, and recorded, you would hear the sound of air, and the echoes from the walls, windows, etc. When you record with a person, that sound would be heard all throughout the song, and it drowns out the beat, something that doesn't happen with higher caliber microphones.
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if it wasn't in relation to the quality of the vocals on the album under debate? If it's nothing to do with the vocals on the album it's completely irrelevant.
 
samhabib said:
I'm sorry but the only way you can claim, as a fact, that 'Michael was sleeping at a corner in the studio' would be to have some evidence of him sleeping there. You've just regurgitated the Cascio's completely unsubstantiated claims. If the vocals are bogus, as many of us believe they are, then any unsubstantiated evidence that they try to use to bolster their claims is just as bogus.

Saying 'Michael Jackson slept here' is not the same as Michael Jackson sleeping there. If that was the case, the Arvizos would have been millionaires by now.
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Wait a second... I am confused. I had heard through the the fan community all these years that Michael had stayed at the Cascio home. Especially for those 4 months we have talked about so often. So now you are saying it is a lie and he never did?
 
samhabib said:
I'm sorry but the only way you can claim, as a fact, that 'Michael was sleeping at a corner in the studio' would be to have some evidence of him sleeping there. You've just regurgitated the Cascio's completely unsubstantiated claims. If the vocals are bogus, as many of us believe they are, then any unsubstantiated evidence that they try to use to bolster their claims is just as bogus.

Saying 'Michael Jackson slept here' is not the same as Michael Jackson sleeping there. If that was the case, the Arvizos would have been millionaires by now.
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Oh please...what on earth is your point? Nowhere did ivy say anything that implies she has proof. Causing an argument for arguments sake, give it up.
 
ivy said:
People whose ideas you were making fun of took it seriously and reported it. Remember there are two sides here, what comes as joke and funny to you can come as an insult and hurtful to other people. I'm sure you wouldn't also appreciated it if someone made a joke on your expense. Let empathy and respect to be the words of today.
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I wouldnt be so sensitive to be honest. What I said was WAY to outrageous to be taken seriously. A little humour in here wouldnt hurt from either side, I welcome it from the other side. I dont take myself that seriously that I would report someones post which was just making an outrageous joke based on things they have said.

People need to lighten up, plain and simple. Let sensitivity be the word of today.
 
Thank you Ivy! I agree with L.T.D. that humour is a good thing. Let's try to have humour being sensitive for other persons feelings and everyone will be happy with it.
"A good laugh a day keeps the doctor away", they say where I live :)
Thanks for your attention to sensitivy L.T.D.
 
L.T.D said:
I wouldnt be so sensitive to be honest. What I said was WAY to outrageous to be taken seriously. A little humour in here wouldnt hurt from either side, I welcome it from the other side. I dont take myself that seriously that I would report someones post which was just making an outrageous joke based on things they have said.

People need to lighten up, plain and simple. Let sensitivity be the word of today.
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I didn't get to see the post that was removed, so I can't judge for certain. Nonetheless, people are already uptight as it is. Some are even calling for others to be banned, so maybe it's best to keep even the simplest jokes quiet.
 
I just want to say that this is a debate thread. meaning you are not going to find everyone here with the same opinion. Also, having an opinion different from yours does not automatically make that opinion negative...

So ok, ok everyone. We have had our say on this subject. We have come to the conclusion that while some humor is beneficial, it is best not to be overly sensitive or insensitive. Let's please move on to what this thread is about which is discussion of whether the vocals were his or not. Meaning some will think they are his some will not.

We can all try to be a little more understanding of each other's predicaments. For the last few months we have all been struggling here. I think we are doing so much better respecting one another. If we can take it a little further we will be excellent!

Please let's move on! Thanks!
 
wolfrevenant said:
I didn't get to see the post that was removed, so I can't judge for certain. Nonetheless, people are already uptight as it is. Some are even calling for others to be banned, so maybe it's best to keep even the simplest jokes quiet.
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Yeah lets keep all the jokes quiet, wouldnt want any humour to overshadow all the gloom that has loomed over the forums for the past 2 months. Humour shouldnt make people more uptight, there is a certain point in a situation like this where you just need to take a step back and laugh. That doesnt downplay the situation, i'm angry as hell.....but being angry constantly doesnt change anything, life is so strange sometimes that you just have to take a step back and laugh. If someone where to make a joke at my expense now, I would laugh as long as it was good enough.

I just cant believe people are so uptight that they would see an outrageous post such as the one I posted, and just report it.......good grief.

Yay! Now that all of the jokes are out of the way, we can resume repeating the same old points over and over again, while getting absolutely nowhere and remaining as miserable as ever! Happy days :D

Have fun everyone.
 
126 members thinks that Mj did not sung on those vocals.

147 members thinks that MJ sungs on those vocals.
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Is clear that many of us know that Mj did not sung on those vocals.

The debate must continue...
 
L.T.D said:
Yeah lets keep all the jokes quiet, wouldnt want any humour to overshadow all the gloom that has loomed over the forums for the past 2 months. Humour shouldnt make people more uptight, there is a certain point in a situation like this where you just need to take a step back and laugh. That doesnt downplay the situation, i'm angry as hell.....but being angry constantly doesnt change anything, life is so strange sometimes that you just have to take a step back and laugh. If someone where to make a joke at my expense now, I would laugh as long as it was good enough.

I just cant believe people are so uptight that they would see an outrageous post such as the one I posted, and just report it.......good grief.

Yay! Now that all of the jokes are out of the way, we can resume repeating the same old points over and over again, while getting absolutely nowhere and remaining as miserable as ever! Happy days :D

Have fun everyone.
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Agreed with you. :agree:
 
L.T.D said:
Yeah lets keep all the jokes quiet, wouldnt want any humour to overshadow all the gloom that has loomed over the forums for the past 2 months. Humour shouldnt make people more uptight, there is a certain point in a situation like this where you just need to take a step back and laugh. That doesnt downplay the situation, i'm angry as hell.....but being angry constantly doesnt change anything, life is so strange sometimes that you just have to take a step back and laugh. If someone where to make a joke at my expense now, I would laugh as long as it was good enough.

I just cant believe people are so uptight that they would see an outrageous post such as the one I posted, and just report it.......good grief.

Yay! Now that all of the jokes are out of the way, we can resume repeating the same old points over and over again, while getting absolutely nowhere and remaining as miserable as ever! Happy days :D

Have fun everyone.
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Yup, sad isn't it? Totally agree with you...
 
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