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The Great Debate - Poll of Polls

Do I believe It Is Michael On The Three Tracks In Question.

  • Yes

    Votes: 152 39.6%

  • No

    Votes: 135 35.2%

  • I Can Not Decide

    Votes: 24 6.3%

  • Maybe in Parts

    Votes: 73 19.0%
  • Total voters
    384
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Nothing's been confirmed, but I would bet on Mike at least having a writing credit on STTR. Beyond the club banger are deep and profound lyrics about abusive relationships. I would be very surprised if someone other than a genius like Mike wrote it - but I could say the same about MITM.
 
This Is It said:
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Nothing's been confirmed, but I would bet on Mike at least having a writing credit on STTR. Beyond the club banger are deep and profound lyrics about abusive relationships. I would be very surprised if someone other than a genius like Mike wrote it - but I could say the same about MITM.
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Yes, I agree with you here...STTR has lyrics that sound very MJ'ish...Profound, of course, but simple at the same time...
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
No, but my answer was directed to your statement that you couldn't think of ANY footage of Michael in the studio.
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I meant footage of him recording - this is what I said:

serendipity said:
A home video is totally different than MJ being filmed while working. How many videos we have seen of MJ recording in a studio? Because I can't think of any right now. It seems to me he didn't like or feel comfortable being filmed while recording, so why would you expect the Cascios to do it?
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Anyway, happy New Year to you and everyone here! :D
 
TBH, I'm now prepared to believe that all three songs feature Michael's vocals - having been on the fence before. They just don't sufficiently unlike him for me to cast enough doubt and I'm just not convinced by the arguments to the contrary, sorry.
 
ChickenMcNuggets said:
TBH, I'm now prepared to believe that all three songs feature Michael's vocals - having been on the fence before. They just don't sufficiently unlike him for me to cast enough doubt and I'm just not convinced by the arguments to the contrary, sorry.
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Ask yourself this: "why have you been hesitating so long (as never before)?"
 
Yeah I deffinitly think Michael is in some parts of the songs.
 
I wonder, what will you guy's say or feel when it's proven the tracks are not fake?

To me (i think the songs are real) it would feel weird, cause i think Michael was making another awsome album, imagine if he could have finished it. Invincible to me was... i don't know... good but not great. In my opinion, Monster, keep your head up, hollywood tonight, heck, all the songs on this album i like more.

We know michael was working on songs for a new album, but where are they if these casio tracks are fake? Hollywood tonight, best of joy, songs with Will.i.am,... really, where are his last songs than?

Michael, to me, was back on track ... I like Monster, keep your head up and behind the mask the most of his new album ...

And i know many people feel the same

Imagine if these are fake? Then people are loving the songs of an imposter more then MJ himself? That would be .... really strange
 
Vlens said:
I wonder, what will you guy's say or feel when it's proven the tracks are not fake?

To me (i think the songs are real) it would feel weird, cause i think Michael was making another awsome album, imagine if he could have finished it. Invincible to me was... i don't know... good but not great. In my opinion, Monster, keep your head up, hollywood tonight, heck, all the songs on this album i like more.

We know michael was working on songs for a new album, but where are they if these casio tracks are fake? Hollywood tonight, best of joy, songs with Will.i.am,... really, where are his last songs than?

Michael, to me, was back on track ... I like Monster, keep your head up and behind the mask the most of his new album ...

And i know many people feel the same

Imagine if these are fake? Then people are loving the songs of an imposter more then MJ himself? That would be .... really strange
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There will probably be some who prefer to go by their instincts, and insist on their own believes. Those that are proven otherwise, will probably start to question their fandom (How can a fan of MJ for x amount of years, not recognise Michael's own voice?). Some will accept it, apologise and move on, and some will probably feel sad and strange. Or perhaps, it will be a combination of the scenarios mentioned.

Personally, I feel I'm more likely to be defiant and either 1) pursue the matter further, but using scientific analysis, 2) move on and lose expectations on any future MJ release.
 
Vlens said:
I wonder, what will you guy's say or feel when it's proven the tracks are not fake?
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If there was any proof Sony would have provided it. The album is Number 136 on iTunes in the UK. NUMBER 136! You'd think they'd pull some rabbit out of their hat to get all of the naysayers to buy a copy. The fact that they haven't (ie. can't) should raise eyebrows.
 
re: the Monster thread - I was writing this post when that thread got closed.

Oh my...

The singer couldn't do a better job. How could he? No one can sing like Michael Jackson for f***'s sake. If there was anyone, believe me - you would have heard about him.

This person on the Cascio tracks is clearly struggling to sing as close to MJ as he can.

BTW, in my opinion it is insulting to think that Michael Jackson, who is considered to be one of the best producers/recording artist ever, was capable of recording and accepting such below par vocals. 12 tracks. Do you really believe that he recorded a dozen songs and didn't hear how bad the recording is? He was one of the most experienced people to work in a studio, ever. He was one of the best.
 
Alec said:
re: the Monster thread - I was writing this post when that thread got closed.
No one can sing like Michael Jackson for f***'s sake. If there was anyone, believe me - you would have heard about him.
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watch the link below : He's what I call an impersonator and there are others...stronger than Malachi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP8ventskoM

an other one : Marcus Joseph.....Better than the best...These guys can sound like MJ. Malachi is far from it. Im' just saying that if they wanted to imitate MJ...they could have done it...a lot better than what we hear on "michael"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwUwztENBBE
 
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Marcus can only do one tone that sounds like Michael. He could never pretend to be Michael, his English accent is typical Norwegian-English. I know what I am talking about since I am from the same country.

That other guy you posted, he did a Hold My Hand a cappella for MJJC a month ago or so, he could never, ever pretend to be MJ. Jason is the only guy who can overal pretend to be MJ.

There is another guy I have discovered, which is better than any of the guys mentioned, but again, he could never be Michael.
 
listen "all i need"

it would be so easy for Malachi to sound like MJ...but it doesn't.

so they try to imitate him and they failed ?

I do'nt believe it...

if they wanted to imitate him...they would have succeed more than what we got.

I just listened the veres from escape and the verses from BN

give a try !

the same contrast between low and high voice
 
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The links you posted just prove that there is not one person on this planet that can sing the way Michael Jackson could.

Can I ask you a question loka (and other people here)? What type of headphones/speakers do you use? I am not trying to offend you or anything, just asking.


samhabib said:
THE best. Anyone who elevates Quincy Jones has got to be special.
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He certainly was. BTW, when the Cascio songs were recorded, Michael Jackson had 40 years of studio experience.
 
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I still hear MJ's voice on all tracks. I'm trying to hear another person, but I don't! Bad recording, duh, no doubt, but it is him.

And I have even started to working out to that album. Workout album 2011 for sure!!
 
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what type of headphones/loudspeakers you use?
 
Alec said:
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what type of headphones/loudspeakers you use?
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All kinds; speakers from PC (LOL, just kidding) Yamaha something (boyfriend is a soundtec guy, so he have good speakers) regular iTunes headphones and speakers from the livingroom. Safe to say, in our house, we have four different sources to hear our music at. Boyfriend also has built a "studio" so the sound in that room is the right sound.

I see where you're trying to go, but believe me, I have tried it out on all speakers there is, and I hear him now. It's him.
 
^^ Try the songs out on a pair of Bose noise-reducing headphones...Tell me what you hear then....:cheeky:
 
The speakers or device that one listens to the songs on is, in my opinion, completely irrelevant. The beginning of ILTWTYLM is on a answer machine for christ's sake and it's unmistakably him. You shouldn't need top of the range speakers or headphones to tell it's MJ - the idea is just ludicrous.

Since when has anyone listened to MJ's previous albums on crappy earphones and thought "that isn't him"? NEVER. That's when.

The mere fact that this line of argument is being resorted to highlights that there is a very real problem.
 
Answering machine message is irrelevant, as well. Terrible example, in my opinion, as it's such an old recording and a completely different type of song.

I hear Michael in these songs, but parts of it do seem really messed up and the fans need to be respected and have their questions answered. Michael Jackson was for the fans, This Is It was 'for the fans'... This one isn't or what?

Come on, people! We want to know why the vocals sound weird, because obviously we have to listen to them over at least four different types of speakers to even determine is it's maybe him. We should have some solid proof.
 
Alec said:
re: the Monster thread - I was writing this post when that thread got closed.

Oh my...

The singer couldn't do a better job. How could he? No one can sing like Michael Jackson for f***'s sake. If there was anyone, believe me - you would have heard about him.

This person on the Cascio tracks is clearly struggling to sing as close to MJ as he can.

BTW, in my opinion it is insulting to think that Michael Jackson, who is considered to be one of the best producers/recording artist ever, was capable of recording and accepting such below par vocals. 12 tracks. Do you really believe that he recorded a dozen songs and didn't hear how bad the recording is? He was one of the most experienced people to work in a studio, ever. He was one of the best.
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samhabib said:
THE best. Anyone who elevates Quincy Jones has got to be special.
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Alec said:
The links you posted just prove that there is not one person on this planet that can sing the way Michael Jackson could.

He certainly was. BTW, when the Cascio songs were recorded, Michael Jackson had 40 years of studio experience.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:

I still struggle to comprehend how Michael would record not one, but a dozen songs in such a poorly equiped studio. He had 40 years of studio experience. He'd been in professional recording since the age of 10. He learned his craft from the best. He had exeptionally high standard for himself and his producers. He's the producer of his producers. I can bet everything I have that Michael never ever would agree to release the Cascio tracks the way they are now.
 
A $200 mic is capable of recording VERY good quality vocals (most people wouldn't even notice a difference between that and a high tech studio microphone).
I don't know how bad Eddie Cascio's equipment must have been to produce that sound... was that a mono $5 mic from Walmart?

Michael could very well record his usual quality vocals in a studio worth $2000 (computer, desk, chair and mic stand included) and even produce a whole album of music there.

Oh and yes, it is very likely Michael recorded 12 fully complete vocal tracks (lead vocals, background harmonies, ad-libs) in that state of art studio of Eddie's but he didn't even complete lead vocals on songs like Hollywood Tonight. Sure.
 
Alec said:
A $200 mic is capable of recording VERY good quality vocals (most people wouldn't even notice a difference between that and a high tech studio microphone).
I don't know how bad Eddie Cascio's equipment must have been to produce that sound... was that a mono $5 mic from Walmart?
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Yes they would, and like I said numerous times, if you haven't worked in a studio, it'd be quite hard for you to tell someone what they would hear, or even understand it. Cheap home studio microphones have this certain sound, and when compared to a studio recording, that change is noticeable. First off, if you were to place a microphone in an empty room, and recorded, you would hear the sound of air, and the echoes from the walls, windows, etc. When you record with a person, that sound would be heard all throughout the song, and it drowns out the beat, something that doesn't happen with higher caliber microphones.
 
^ It's your assertion that Michael Jackson recorded his once in a lifetime voice on a cheap microphone, for the first time in his life, on these debated songs?

It's excuse after excuse. Last night it was because Seth Riggs wasn't with him to warm his voice up.

Surely the excuses will run out sooner or later.
 
Edit: No point in this comment as the post I laughed at is now removed.
 
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Yes they would, and like I said numerous times, if you haven't worked in a studio, it'd be quite hard for you to tell someone what they would hear, or even understand it. Cheap home studio microphones have this certain sound, and when compared to a studio recording, that change is noticeable. First off, if you were to place a microphone in an empty room, and recorded, you would hear the sound of air, and the echoes from the walls, windows, etc. When you record with a person, that sound would be heard all throughout the song, and it drowns out the beat, something that doesn't happen with higher caliber microphones.
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The studio environment at the Cascios' basement appeared to be less than ideal based on the picture they showed on the Oprah show.

With that said, I can't help to question whether Michael truly recorded 12 songs knowing the outputs would be too poor to be used.
 
Since when does the use of poor equipment make you sound like someone else? So far we've had the following excuses:

- Poor equipment
- MJ not properly warmed up
- MJ not trying
- MJ only doing guide vocals
- MJ having an off day
- Processing

It's getting boring to the point of irritation now. Not a single one of these would make you sound like someone else (especially with a producer of Riley's calibre). This is clutching at straws of the highest order.
 
I've listened to these three songs dozens of times over the past few days. Now that the drama has calmed down and all the holiday madness is over, I was able to really focus and listen to the vocals. I have came to the conclusion that KYHU is 100% MJ. No impersonator could imitate those vocals. They are classic Michael Jackson, and I have every Jason Malachi song on my computer... his voice is similar at times, but not the real thing. KYHU is Michael Jackson end of story.

Breaking News sounds like it's mostly MJ with a few voiceovers for instance when they say "Jackson" in the first verse. But for the most part this sounds like a Michael Jackson demo track that has been heavily edited.

Monster sounds like Michael Jackson with the exception of the 2nd verse. Could they have got someone to fill that verse in? I don't know. That's just what my ears hear. The original song was slower so speeding it up made the pitch change. But overall, this is Michael Jackson. Listen to that bridge and the background vocals ... Malachi couldn't do it if he tried.

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And yes I do believe that MJ recorded 12 songs at the Cascios. His friend was a producer and had a studio in the basement. Why wouldn't MJ record some songs? It's ill-logical to assume that he didn't go into that studio once. And the reason Hollywood Tonight was not complete was because it was from an Invincible session that was re-worked in 2007 (MJ obviously liked this song). This was from a totally different studio session when MJ didn't have a producer with him pressuring him to work. It's a total different situation.
 
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