The Great Debate - Poll of Polls

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Bumper, I enjoy reading what you have to say about these tracks, even though I don't always agree with everything.

I was wondering, what do you think the motive is behind it all? Is it just that Cascio really wanted the kudos of being on an MJ album and duped Sony? Or is it wider than that?

For me, I struggle with it. I really enjoy the album, a lot more than I thought but fail to see why they've used, for example, Breaking News when STTR or DYKWTCA are readily available (although I can see issues with the title of the latter).

It is a very good question you raised. I am also struggling to understand why.

I really do believe that Cascio were wonderful to Michael when he was around. But when I see some facts, I just can't see other reason than the jack pot, even though I don't want to judge the Cascios as I don't know them personally. If the money is the reason, then it really would be heartbreaking.

But considering the fact that even Michael's own blood expressed greed and jealousy of his fame, I can't exclude the possibility that the Cascio could turn into what the Jacksons have turned because of money.

As Ivy posted it earlier, Michael was there for the Cascios to help them in the business. But now that Michael is not there any more, who can help them? Even if we don't think of money as the first motive, having a collaboration on a MJ track is a huge thing on your résumé, isn't it?

 

[Tony R]

It is a very good question you raised. I am also struggling to understand why.

I really do believe that Cascio were wonderful to Michael when he was around. But when I see some facts, I just can't see other reason than the jack pot, even though I don't want to judge the Cascios as I don't know them personally. If the money is the reason, then it really would be heartbreaking.

But considering the fact that even Michael's own blood expressed greed and jealousy of his fame, I can't exclude the possibility that the Cascio could turn into what the Jacksons have turned because of money.

As Ivy posted it earlier, Michael was there for the Cascios to help them in the business. But now that Michael is not there any more, who can help them? Even if we don't think of money as the first motive, having a collaboration on a MJ track is a huge thing on your réumé, isn't it?

Exactly, I agree. I think it's simply kudos. God knows if somehow I could get my name as a credit on an MJ album, I'd probably do it.

I've said before that I think MJ probably did have some involvement along the line with Monster & Breaking News and the Cascios didn't have much to work with, and what we ended up with was so far removed from the original. It's like someone discovering a small sketch from Van Gogh, and finishing off the outline, colouring it in, adding some backgrounds and then trying to pass it off as an original.

I think that's all it is, there's no huge conspiracy and Sony are probably unaware of it all, it's just over excitement of Cascio, Riley etc to try and be on the first 'new' Michael Jackson album in 9 years which got out of control.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Exactly, I agree. I think it's simply kudos. God knows if somehow I could get my name as a credit on an MJ album, I'd probably do it.

I've said before that I think MJ probably did have some involvement along the line with Monster & Breaking News and the Cascios didn't have much to work with, and what we ended up with was so far removed from the original. It's like someone discovering a small sketch from Van Gogh, and finishing off the outline, colouring it in, adding some backgrounds and then trying to pass it off as an original.

I think that's all it is, there's no huge conspiracy and Sony are probably unaware of it all, it's just over excitement of Cascio, Riley etc to try and be on the first 'new' Michael Jackson album in 9 years which got out of control.

Difficult to draw conclusions, but indeed, even if the MJ's vocals were proven authentic (which I strongly doubt), the question remains why the Cascios absolutely would want to release the songs in such a rough demo state and copy-paste bits, beats and instrumentals to make a MJ song that MJ probably hadn't finish less than half of it.

I still wonder why those rough demos/songs, authentic or not were not used as a separate project and showed as a glimpse of what Michael might have intended to do, than as part of his first posthumous album knowing that there are tens if not hundreds of finished songs int he vault, and if need be mix them by Teddy or anyone else who already worked with Mike.

 

[Vlens]

Have some of you ever wondered about this: if the casio songs aren't really MJ, then where are the songs michael was working on?

We know hollywood tonight, best of joy, ... the will.i.am tracks? If was well known michael was recording .... so where are all those songs?

 

[MIST]

I think Frank DiLeo mentioned Michael was enthusiastic for the Cascio songs.He said it before the Michael album was planned.
Maybe Michael had plans to have them on his new album but he never got a chance to finish them.
Michael talked to people he wanted to work with and he might have made notes for his own memory about it and perhaps they chose songs they knew Michael wanted for his album.

 

[Kapital77]

I will said it again:

Why nobody is asking why the "cut & paste" on the Cascio´s tracks are not credited in the album?

Teddy said that he included "copy and paste", taking adlibs from older songs, to complete the tracks.

Why the other producer of the Cascio´s tracks, Tricky Stewart, did the same with Keep your head up?.

Why teddy used "copy & paste" from a track that he did not produced? (You rock my world was produced by Rodney Jerkins).

I think that the copy & paste was introduced for the Cascio family before the tracks arrived to the producers.

I think that the "a capella" version of Breaking news that includes some "cut & paste" is the track that Teddy Riley received in first place.

What do you think?

why the adlibs from older songs are not credited?

why two different producers introduced "copy & paste" from older songs?.

 

[Vlens]

i'm way, and i really mean waaaaay more comfortable with listening to monster, keep your head up..... then with 2000 watts! My friends, parents, girlfriend all knew it was michael with monster and keep your head up, but with 2000 watts, shout, ... they didn't.

Michael said before his death that he was enthousiastic about the casio tracks ... where are they if these are fake? If you have noticed, michael just sounds diferrent on hollywood tonight and best of joy too ...
I don't get it, if it's about monster the methods of recording doesn't matter, but if someone say's hollywood tonight is fake, then they use it...

There are no fake recordings... Do you really think that jason guy, who never made a huge hit, now has 3 awsome songs ... for another artist! It doesn't make any sence.

It's a shame though ... michael was so unsure to release new songs and HE HATED IT THAT HIS VOICE CHANGED!!!! How come people never talk about this! I've read many articles before his death claiming michael was afraid he coudn't sing anymore and because of his lungdesease his voice changed ... I really hope that there will be evidence these songs are real ... cause it's a shame that michael isn't appreciated anymore when his voice is different...

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

i'm way, and i really mean waaaaay more comfortable with listening to monster, keep your head up..... then with 2000 watts! My friends, parents, girlfriend all knew it was michael with monster and keep your head up, but with 2000 watts, shout, ... they didn't.

Michael said before his death that he was enthousiastic about the casio tracks ... where are they if these are fake? If you have noticed, michael just sounds diferrent on hollywood tonight and best of joy too ...
I don't get it, if it's about monster the methods of recording doesn't matter, but if someone say's hollywood tonight is fake, then they use it...

There are no fake recordings... Do you really think that jason guy, who never made a huge hit, now has 3 awsome songs ... for another artist! It doesn't make any sence.

It's a shame though ... michael was so unsure to release new songs and HE HATED IT THAT HIS VOICE CHANGED!!!! How come people never talk about this! I've read many articles before his death claiming michael was afraid he coudn't sing anymore and because of his lungdesease his voice changed ... I really hope that there will be evidence these songs are real ... cause it's a shame that michael isn't appreciated anymore when his voice is different...

Let's get back to the facts:

Prior to his unfortunate death Michael did not sound different. Source:
THIS IS IT.

The guy who claimed Michael was ill, also claimed he was going to die because of his illness. Let's not forget that Michael did not die of illness, that he did rehearse and that it was pure coincidence that he died about the same month that the unauthorized biographer predicted.

 

[samhabib]

Michael said before his death that he was enthousiastic about the casio tracks ...

Where did he say this? And how did I miss this?!?

It's a shame though ... michael was so unsure to release new songs and HE HATED IT THAT HIS VOICE CHANGED!!!! How come people never talk about this! I've read many articles before his death claiming michael was afraid he coudn't sing anymore and because of his lungdesease his voice changed ... I really hope that there will be evidence these songs are real ... cause it's a shame that michael isn't appreciated anymore when his voice is different...

He sounded like Michael Jackson during This Is It. So there goes that theory.

 

[ivy]

Isn't it funny that we see a footage of Michael in the studio with Will I Am and this latter refuses out of respect to release the recorded songs (even if they might be only demos), and on the other hand we have no slightest footage of Michael in the studio with Cascios, yet these latter (out of respect?) release questionable songs?

is that really a good comparison?

the only reason we are seeing a footage of Michael and Will.i.am is because a TV crew is invited. It's not a footage that Will.i.am or Michael himself recorded.

Plus why do you think that Michael will be okay with a home footage, in which he's probably in PJ's and not have makeup etc. I mean the they aired the outtakes of the Will.i.am interview after Michael died you can see him direct the cameraman , asking for more light etc.

I also cannot understand why people expect Cascio's to put a camera on their famous friend's face who comes to their house to escape from everything. Wouldn't that be against to the whole purpose of Michael's friendship and relationship with them?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

is that really a good comparison? ?

Allow me to use a coloquial expression here: Hell it is a good comparison!

the only reason we are seeing a footage of Michael and Will.i.am is because a TV crew is invited. It's not a footage that Will.i.am or Michael himself recorded.

Does it mean that Michael or people working wih him had to wait for a tv crew invitation to video record sessions in the studio? How about home videos?

Plus why do you think that Michael will be okay with a home footage, in which he's probably in PJ's and not have makeup etc. I mean the they aired the outtakes of the Will.i.am interview after Michael died you can see him direct the cameraman , asking for more light etc.

Oh come on, this is pure far stretched speculation. So what you are saying actually is that Michael was wearing make up and dressed well only in front of cameras.

I also cannot understand why people expect Cascio's to put a camera on their famous friend's face who comes to their house to escape from everything.

Because they did it. They do possess home videos of Michael and themselves.

Wouldn't that be against to the whole purpose of Michael's friendship and relationship with them?

Probably, but still they did film Michael in their house.

 

[samhabib]

I also cannot understand why people expect Cascio's to put a camera on their famous friend's face who comes to their house to escape from everything. Wouldn't that be against to the whole purpose of Michael's friendship and relationship with them?

According to one of your earlier posts Michael was the 'close family friend' that got Eddie his early breaks. So let's not pretend that the Cascio's were above benefiting from the association.

 

[ivy]

Allow me to use a coloquial expression here: Hell it is a good comparison!

sorry but to me it's comparing apples to oranges. you theorize that as there was a footage with Will.i.am there must be a footage with the Cascio's or it must be suspicious as there's not a footage when the conditions aren't the same (TV crew - studio versus home).

plus let me point out a double standard (not done by you necessarily). We have people on this thread that says seeing a picture or work tapes wouldn't convince them that it's Michael singing on the songs. Yet you say as we saw Michael with Will.i.am in a studio setting it's safe to assume that they recorded together at that day and at that instance.

Does it mean that Michael or people working wih him had to wait for a tv crew invitation to video record sessions in the studio? How about home videos?

Because they did it. They do possess home videos of Michael and themselves.

Probably, but still they did film Michael in their house

sure they have some home videos - quite old I might add- but does that having some home videos mean that they must have recorded anything, everything? How can you conclude that recording Michael holding babies will automatically mean that 20 years down the road they must record him in the studio singing? Isn't that a stretch? then where's the video of Michael eating turkey dinners in their home, or cleaning or taking the trash out?

(and probably when Michael was with them in 2007 and recording they didn't think that Michael would died soon and they need to have "proof" to convince some people)

Oh come on, this is pure far stretched speculation. So what you are saying actually is that Michael was wearing make up and dressed well only in front of cameras.

I didn't say "only" but it's also a good probability that he was relaxed in a home setting. isn't that the normal behavior? "far fetched" : not really in some leaked Malnik photos, leaked photos from either Prince or Paris's birthday (in which Cascio kids are present as well), leaked video of Michael with Prince and Mickey Mouse - you can see that he's wearing pijamas. plus on Oprah Cascio's also said that he walked around in PJ's. He was sleeping in a corner in their basement / studio for God's sake, so I don't expect him walk around in a perfect hair and makeup and suits, sue me.

 

[Garden]

Been thinkin again (if I can )

I thought : why is it so logical that the Cascio's are the bad ones?

It is possible but...

Remember Tarryl's tweeters...
Tarryl was/is (I don't know how far though) supported in this by T3, Mrs Kathrine and ? other family members

Kathrine used to question if Estate has the right executives.
Joe Jackson still against Estate and questionned authenticity of MJ's Will

Kathrine's allowance allegedly too low, enters in contact with Howard Mann who possesses part of MJ Memorabilia (and that's another pair of socks) and get together in business contract.

Howard Mann launches Opus None out of his "secret vault" and says it is a gift from Kathrine.


On the other side we have :

The Estate
Branca
Mc Layn
MC Layn was (if I remember well) against release of Cascio tracks

Then you have, working together with Estate, for the album :
Cascio's
Teddy Riley
and others


There are allegedly problems between Family and Estate...
I wonder how far Howard Mann has Kathrine in his power...
I wonder if it is not Howard Mann, ("hijacking" Kathrine a.o.) that has a problem with the Estate...
There is even talk about "rivalry" between Mann and the Estate...
I wonder if Mann actually sets the Family under pressure against the Estate?
I wonder what exactly made Tarryl twitter his first tweet?
Was it the vocals? Was it something else?
I don't trust Howard Mann in this whole Family Estate constellation...

Just some thoughts, it can be totally wrong direction

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

sorry but to me it's comparing apples to oranges. you theorize that as there was a footage with Will.i.am there must be a footage with the Cascio's or it must be suspicious as there's not a footage when the conditions aren't the same (TV crew - studio versus home)..

I didn't say that there must be a video footage necessarily. I was thinking more in terms of it as being as welcome as footages that we already have seen with Will I Am or any other footage such as We Are The World or What More Can I Give.

So, I wouldn't say that it is equal to comparing apples to oranges. Indeed, if there is no video footage for any reason you gave, then fine, but what there must be is some kind -any kind- of trace, and not constant excuses that everything was destroyed, erased or broken down leading to only one physical trace -the (overprocessed?) tracks alone with unrecognizable vocals!

plus let me point out a double standard (not done by you necessarily). We have people on this thread that says seeing a picture or work tapes wouldn't convince them that it's Michael singing on the songs. Yet you say as we saw Michael with Will.i.am in a studio setting it's safe to assume that they recorded together at that day and at that instance.

No, I did not say that he necessarily recorded at that day or instance. Please don't twist what I said. I said that Michael certainly didn't waste his time in the studio for a chitchat or a cup of coffee with Will I Am in the studios. We regularly received reports of Michael working with Will I Am and the footage of them in the studio just confirmed as a matter of fact that they were collaborating. It is a trace of their collaboration. A trace that is actually even not necessary since no one has questioned their collaboration. But at least we cannot deny that Will I Am was with Michael in the studio and according to many reports that they did record stuff. We will have to wait Will I Am's decision to release the stuff to judge. Until then Will I Am is even not an issue here, just one of the references to compare as far as tracability is concerned --something we do not have from Cascios.

sure they have some home videos - quite old I might add- but does that having some home videos mean that they must have recorded anything, everything? How can you conclude that recording Michael holding babies will automatically mean that 20 years down the road they must record him in the studio singing? Isn't that a stretch? then where's the video of Michael eating turkey dinners in their home, or cleaning or taking the trash out?

I didn't raise those questions at all. Neither did I conclude anything about that, nor did I say that I questioned their stories with Michael. I am simply qustioning the vocals on the tracks, nothing more. So let's not go down the personal stories with all the people who had the privilege to meet and know Michael. This is not what we are debating here.

(and probably when Michael was with them in 2007 and recording they didn't think that Michael would died soon and they need to have "proof" to convince some people)

Probably. But, they probably have other proofs to corroborate the authencity of the tracks. Or don't they?

I didn't say "only" but it's also a good probability that he was relaxed in a home setting. isn't that the normal behavior? "far fetched" : not really in some leaked Malnik photos, leaked photos from either Prince or Paris's birthday (in which Cascio kids are present as well), leaked video of Michael with Prince and Mickey Mouse - you can see that he's wearing pijamas. plus on Oprah Cascio's also said that he walked around in PJ's. He was sleeping in a corner in their basement / studio for God's sake, so I don't expect him walk around in a perfect hair and makeup and suits, sue me.

Lots of probabilities.

It is a normal behavior, but recording 12 songs in pyjamas is difficult to believe. Or let's far fetch it (thanks for the correction) and assume that he was in pyjamas day and night for every song he recorded, this does not prevent to have tangible traces proving that Michael did work on those songs.

 

[Alec]

It's not about seeing a video just for the sake of it, goddammit...

For the FIRST TIME EVER there is a questionable song (in fact three!) released officially under the name of Michael Jackson.

The singer does not sound like the King of Pop and there is no proof whatsoever that those are indeed his vocals.
Anything that would explain the reason why he sounds so different (and so much like a well known sound alike) or simply confirm his involvement would be priceless. Be it a video (which could exist if he recorded the songs), a handwritten piece of lyrics, a photo of him in the studio, a note regarding the tracks, him speaking about the songs on tape... anything. As of now, there is none of that.

 

[love is magical]

It's not about seeing a video just for the sake of it, goddammit...

For the FIRST TIME EVER there is a questionable song (in fact three!) released officially under the name of Michael Jackson.

The singer does not sound like the King of Pop and there is no proof whatsoever that those are indeed his vocals.
Anything that would explain the reason why he sounds so different (and so much like a well known sound alike) or simply confirm his involvement would be priceless. Be it a video (which could exist if he recorded the songs), a handwritten piece of lyrics, a photo of him in the studio, a note regarding the tracks, him speaking about the songs on tape... anything. As of now, there is none of that.

Exactly. I understand if there is no video footage on the recording session. But, why there is absolutely no tangible trace that supports Michael's involvement in the Cascio tracks being leaked?

As mentioned in my earlier post, there is some kind of evidence that documented Michael's creative input in all songs on MICHAEL except the Cascio tracks.

 

[Dark Artist]

In this interview Teddy states that the notes in the booklet are proof that the vocals are Michael's. Why would he say that if none of the notes relate to the songs in question??

Oh Teddy... you such a silly.

[YOUTUBE]utLW9pAeJnU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Arklove]

notes in the album that prove it's Mike singing...I just don't understand how that's proof..they've given us everything (excuses) BUT proof.....Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to believe if the songs didn't sound like a completely different person...

 

[serendipity]

Well, saying he was only talking could imply that you were saying that he wasn't working. There is no footage of him recording or singing on that video, but the question was never raised for any of Michael's songs at all. At least we see him in the studio talking about projects, music, beats, etc.

But that's not the type of footage we were talking about -- we were talking about footage of him actually recording/singing in the studio. So, I don't know why this Will I Am footage was even brought up. Some people are not going to be satisfied with video of MJ just hanging around in the Cascio studio, they want to see him actually recording the songs, and that's the type of footage I was discussing.

I can ask you back, even though you see Michael just sitting and talking in the studio with Will I Am, do you really believe that Michael wasted his time only chit-chatting in the studio with one of the most popular artist at the moment?

No, I don't believe he was wasting his time just chatting there, and just the same, if I see footage of MJ in the Cascio studio even if he's just talking, I won't believe he was just wasting his time there, but did indeed work with them.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

But that's not the type of footage we were talking about -- we were talking about footage of him actually recording/singing in the studio. So, I don't know why this Will I Am footage was even brought up. Some people are not going to be satisfied with video of MJ just hanging around in the Cascio studio, they want to see him actually recording the songs, and that's the type of footage I was discussing.

No, but my answer was directed to your statement that you couldn't think of ANY footage of Michael in the studio.

No, I don't believe he was wasting his time just chatting there, and just the same, if I see footage of MJ in the Cascio studio even if he's just talking, I won't believe he was just wasting his time there, but did indeed work with them.

That is the whole problem, there isn't ANY! At least seeing Michael talking in the studio and sitting at the mixing console would suggest that he might have worked in that studio, just like the Will I Am's footage suggests.

p.s. Happy New Year :cheeky:

 

[MJJuniorSinceMW]

I am wishing ALL of You a very happy New Year.

To Gaz, the Staff, mods & ALL (thinking of my discussion "partners" samhabib & bumper snippet) the members, a happy, successfull & HEALTHY new Year.

We're all fans of the greatest entertainer, singer & for most - Person -, that ever graced the planet.
That's all what really counts...

I love You more, Michael! The very best, to YOU, wherever You are!

 

[samhabib]

notes in the album that prove it's Mike singing...I just don't understand how that's proof..they've given us everything (excuses) BUT proof.....Maybe it wouldn't be so hard to believe if the songs didn't sound like a completely different person...

Yeah... notes in the album of all of the songs bar the Cascio songs. That's proof of the authenticity of the Cascio tracks. In a parallel universe. In Teddy Riley's mind.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Aren't ANY of the 'believers' suspicious of that? Seems not.

Can I ask any of the 'believers' a question? When you hear the Cascio songs, you play them on your CD, do you see Michael Jackson in your mind's eye singing these songs in a studio? Like I do when I hear Billie Jean or Black or White? Can you visualise him singing these songs? "She's working two jobs... keeping alive..." - do you see his face singing those words? When I hear Michael Jackson songs I can always picture his face - even something like "Much Too Soon". I can visualise him singing into the microphone. I can hear the sound dripping off his lips... "I hope to make a change now for the beeee... terrr". Can you see him in your mind's eye singing the Cascio songs?

 

[bluesky]

Yeah... notes in the album of all of the songs bar the Cascio songs. That's proof of the authenticity of the Cascio tracks. In a parallel universe. In Teddy Riley's mind.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Aren't ANY of the 'believers' suspicious of that? Seems not.

Can I ask any of the 'believers' a question? When you hear the Cascio songs, you play them on your CD, do you see Michael Jackson in your mind's eye singing these songs in a studio? Like I do when I hear Billie Jean or Black or White? Can you visualise him singing these songs? "She's working two jobs... keeping alive..." - do you see his face singing those words? When I hear Michael Jackson songs I can always picture his face - even something like "Much Too Soon". I can visualise him singing into the microphone. I can hear the sound dripping off his lips... "I hope to make a change now for the beeee... terrr". Can you see him in your mind's eye singing the Cascio songs?

Can you visualise him singing these songs? "She's working two jobs... keeping alive..."
what's wrong with this line? You are not MJ!

I like this song. It's a song people can relate to.

 

[Arklove]

Yeah... notes in the album of all of the songs bar the Cascio songs. That's proof of the authenticity of the Cascio tracks. In a parallel universe. In Teddy Riley's mind.

Lies, lies and more lies.

Aren't ANY of the 'believers' suspicious of that? Seems not.

Can I ask any of the 'believers' a question? When you hear the Cascio songs, you play them on your CD, do you see Michael Jackson in your mind's eye singing these songs in a studio? Like I do when I hear Billie Jean or Black or White? Can you visualise him singing these songs? "She's working two jobs... keeping alive..." - do you see his face singing those words? When I hear Michael Jackson songs I can always picture his face - even something like "Much Too Soon". I can visualise him singing into the microphone. I can hear the sound dripping off his lips... "I hope to make a change now for the beeee... terrr". Can you see him in your mind's eye singing the Cascio songs?

I know exactly what you mean...It's a feeling of emptyness for me when I hear the Cascio tracks..The emotion is just not there; the soul, the passion..And, of course, play Best of Joy after a Cascio song and the difference is just astronomical to me...That feeling shouldn't exist when listening to an MJ song....No matter which way I listen...Mike always said to feel the music....And, I'm not feelin' it...

 

[samhabib]

Can you visualise him singing these songs? "She's working two jobs... keeping alive..."
what's wrong with this line? You are not MJ!

I like this song. It's a song people can relate to.

I'm not MJ? What kind of a response is that? I asked a fair question. Absolutely politely. Please tell me, do you see him in your mind's eye singing those songs?

 

[love is magical]

I dislike the lyrics of Breaking News and Monster very much. One can say that complaining about media abuse is a theme Michael fixated on. However, the message is expressed so much more powerfully in Scream, Tabloid Junkie, Privacy, Is It Scary, Ghost and Threatened. Michael Jackson never just cried victim, he always maintained his dignity and grace.

As for Keep Your Head Up, vocal authenticity issue aside, I actually like the song. I don't find the lyrics embarassing. It's no Man In the Mirror or Keep the Faith for sure; nevertheless, still uplifting.

Sam, I'm curious. Have you heard Slave to the Rhythm yet? What do you think about the lyrics? I found the lyrics of STTR intriguing. The song is also about a woman's struggle with work and family. Have I missed the underlying message?

 

[samhabib]

I dislike the lyrics of Breaking News and Monster very much. One can say that complaining about media abuse is a theme Michael fixated on. However, the message is expressed so much more powerfully in Scream, Tabloid Junkie, Privacy, Is It Scary, Ghost and Threatened. Michael Jackson never just cried victim, he always maintained his dignity and grace.

Indeed. Tabloid Junkie he talks about 'to lie AND shame the race'. It's always profound with Michael Jackson. ALWAYS. It's never dull and mundane. ALWAYS profound. The newscaster reports during Scream's musical break '"A man has been brutally beaten to death by Police after being wrongly identified as a robbery suspect. The man was an 18 year old black male..."

Profound. Political. ANYTHING BUT trivial.

Sam, I'm curious. Have you heard Slave to the Rhythm yet? What do you think about the lyrics? I found the lyrics of STTR intriguing. The song is also about a woman's struggle with work and family. Have I missed the underlying message?

I thought the song was about an abusive relationship? Besides, do we know who wrote it? Michael barely wrote anything for Invincible.

 

[love is magical]

Indeed. Tabloid Junkie he talks about 'to lie AND shame the race'. It's always profound with Michael Jackson. ALWAYS. It's never dull and mundane. ALWAYS profound. The newscaster reports during Scream's musical break '"A man has been brutally beaten to death by Police after being wrongly identified as a robbery suspect. The man was an 18 year old black male..."

Profound. Political. ANYTHING BUT trivial.



I thought the song was about an abusive relationship? Besides, do we know who wrote it? Michael barely wrote anything for Invincible.

Good point. I have no idea who wrote STTR.

 

[Arklove]

^^ Mike apparently did write STTR....produced by Tricky....Not confirmed though...