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so the theory is Sony is paying him for fraud and then would sue him because he has uncovered the fraud?
to be clear if JM goes out and says "I'm the singer on the songs" you expect Sony to go to court and say "Judge we paid JM considerable amount of money to fraud the consumers to believing the vocalist is MJ but now he's telling our plans to the public" and the Judge go as "Bad JM how dare you to broke Sony's plans of illegal activity". Seriously?
Not possible in this universe.
If there's fraud (JM is paid to sing the songs and the album is sold as MJ" album), regardless of who/how this is uncovered all the parties that knowingly participated in it will be a defendant in a fraud lawsuit.
The only possible way for Sony to sue JM would be defamation / libel / slander if JM goes and says "It's my vocals and I'm paid for it, there's a fraud here" when that's not the truth. The only way JM to get out of such lawsuit is to prove what he says to be the truth (that his vocals are on the songs) and that would open the door for a fraud lawsuit against Sony (and any other party).
I think he'd rather have millions of dollars, cars, hous with his wife and kids for doing something rather than getting famous and success.
How the heck do you know The Cascios have never heard of him? LOL!
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How the heck do you know he has millions of $$, cars, house?
Did you check? Have You got any pics or videos?
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Uh yes I do, your saying "If there is any truth to Michael not singing on the Cascio tracks then the media would be reporting it.". And YOU seem don't understand what I'm saying AT ALL. I'm saying that the media did not report TRUTH when Michael is alive and they won't do it now.
With your logic of "If someone was reporting the truth it would get big attention". Then why didn't they report the truth when he was alive? Wouldn't they have gotten a "wide audience"? They chose not to.
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See, this alone is completely UNTRUE.
The media doesn't judge, they report. You're acting as if the media would hate Michael. Actually they love to report BOTH good and bad news about Michael Jackson. Everything that sells matters.
There were many reports in Germany which focused on Michael's innocence.
You really have to understand how the media works. You can't just blame them for being unfair towards Michael. This is NOT true at all.
It's the journalists that were unfair. And there were more of this kind of people as their "news" sold better than the good news.
Just look at the day Michael has passed so untimely. Most of reports that followed within the next months were rather positive than negative.
So what you're saying is completely wrong.
You have to understand what the media IS.
Wrong. You can't just say "they". There have always been reports about Michael's innocence. They have however been suppressed by the even BIGGER NEWS, the lies, the "scandals", everything that could be marketed as sensation.
And wasn't it the media that helped Michael become the greatest entertainer that ever lived?
Didn't "they" support him?
You can't just look at one side and ignore the other side.
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contract for an illegal activity with a confidentiality clause?
don't hold your breath for it.
yeah go with that. that's at least possible as "sony could sue him for uncovering illegal activity" or "sony making a contract for illegal activity" simply sounds out of this world.
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people that believe in conspiracy theories usually have a lack of (e.g. legal) knowledge
and why do you think there are conspiracy theorists for just everything that people find strange? it's easy to believe any of them.
(and certain people are making money out of such beliefs)
only knowledge could make you change your mind. and knowledge has to be gained first. no-one's born with it.
and why do you think there are conspiracy theorists for just everything that people find strange? it's easy to believe any of them.
(and certain people are making money out of such beliefs)
only knowledge could make you change your mind. and knowledge has to be gained first. no-one's born with it.
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Well, I can't say what was on in Germany, but watching news where I am, I often remember seeing a constant negative portray of Michael. I've always felt that the media has simply created their own set of rules with Michael...They feel that anything goes in a sense. "Positive" programs peppered with negativity and lies. For example look at that Discovery health channel, they were planning to air a DISGUSTING program about Michael..The estate and people had to unite to get it stopped. They would have never done a program on any other, but with Michael ,they felt they had the right to do it. The Ideal of media is that they report the facts, but often judgment does leak into reports, I suppose that's just human.
When I say "they" I'm relating from my own experience, so don't take it as the gospel of me knowing everything in the entire universe.
Yes, certain media did add elements to his popularity...But wouldn't that be more accredited to mainstream music media? Besides, it's Michael's god like musical talents and amazing music that carried him to his heights of becoming the greatest entertainer that ever lived.
In this world of technology and where stories only last so long until they move to the next one, that's what happens..I really don't expect any media to start doing stories on these tracks ATM, they are all focused on the Trial....and as far as the music media they seem to be gushing over Britney Spears now.
I BOUGHT the album, but I'm just telling you, that a long with the ton of others here, that I don't hear Michael one bit in those songs, that's my bottom line
..It doesn't mean I'm believing in "Conspiracy" theories, it just means that I don't hear him, which is obviously a concern for many of us.Right, let me see if I understand the 'Cascio Tracks are Jason Malachi' people on here.
1. Sony know it's JM singing, but paid him to keep quiet with millions of dollars, houses, and cars?
2. The Newspapers know the truth (it's actually JM not MJ on the songs), but won't report it because it's the truth and they are only interested in stories that are lies (at least when it comes to MJ)?
Have I understood the thories correctly here?
A few questions to you though;
Point 1
Why would Sony waste millions paying a nobody like JM when they have alternative songs in the vaults (as the conspirators readily admit)?
If Sony really wanted these songs, why wouldn't they just pay him a small fee and credit him, like Porte?
How many other people are aware of this alleged 'cover-up', and are having to be paid millions of dollars, houses, and cars to keep quiet?
How are Sony ever going to make any money on an album (expected to sell a max of about 5 million), when they are dishing out millions of dollars, houses, and cars to numerous people?
Point 2
The media are not exactly known for holding back when it comes to publishing anything - lies or truth - so what do they have to gain from holding back if JM came to them with a story about fake vocals? He could make a fortune if he can provide 'evidence', surely much more than Sony would be able to offer.
I'm not getting it at all. It all smacks of desperation to me.
The bottom line is this;
If any of the family, 'friends', 'real singers', or fans had any proof whatsoever, Sony would now have a writ on their hands. They don't, because it's all speculation and innuendo based on personal hatred, personal egos, and personal vendettas - the same thing Mj suffered with when he was alive. Some people should know better!
1. Sony know it's JM singing, but paid him to keep quiet with millions of dollars, houses, and cars?
2. The Newspapers know the truth (it's actually JM not MJ on the songs), but won't report it because it's the truth and they are only interested in stories that are lies (at least when it comes to MJ)?
Have I understood the thories correctly here?
A few questions to you though;
Point 1
Why would Sony waste millions paying a nobody like JM when they have alternative songs in the vaults (as the conspirators readily admit)?
If Sony really wanted these songs, why wouldn't they just pay him a small fee and credit him, like Porte?
How many other people are aware of this alleged 'cover-up', and are having to be paid millions of dollars, houses, and cars to keep quiet?
How are Sony ever going to make any money on an album (expected to sell a max of about 5 million), when they are dishing out millions of dollars, houses, and cars to numerous people?
Point 2
The media are not exactly known for holding back when it comes to publishing anything - lies or truth - so what do they have to gain from holding back if JM came to them with a story about fake vocals? He could make a fortune if he can provide 'evidence', surely much more than Sony would be able to offer.
I'm not getting it at all. It all smacks of desperation to me.
The bottom line is this;
If any of the family, 'friends', 'real singers', or fans had any proof whatsoever, Sony would now have a writ on their hands. They don't, because it's all speculation and innuendo based on personal hatred, personal egos, and personal vendettas - the same thing Mj suffered with when he was alive. Some people should know better!
don't get me wrong.
I mean if you say "Jason is paid for this and that's why he's silent" - I may not agree with it but at least I can say "well that's a possibility".
however out of the realm of possibility and factually impossible scenarios just weaken your arguments and stand on this issue.
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I buy the album, I listen to the tracks...When I get to the Cascio tracks I'm thinking to myself (It doesn't sound like him to me). Now the only possibilities is that they altered his voice to the point of not sounding like the Michael or it's someone else is singing. Before the album leaked I was a big champion of defending the Cascio tracks, but now, I really don't know what to think about them.
I didn't say he have that?
I said I THINK HE'D RATHER. Don't put words in my mouth.
All of this is just something we possibly can not know. There is too much going on behind all of this, and the discussions leads to nothing.
People trust what they hear rather than what people say.
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I guess it would if I were to have said 'This is what happened', but we are really just exploring here and looking for an answer.
Same as the other side does when they offer explanations such as 'Michael sounds different due to age, he had a cold, he recorded through a pipe, the quality of the studio, his vocals are over processed'. Although none of these are impossible as some of the things I mentioned are, they are pretty far fetched and it comes across as scrambling for an excuse...which weaken fans arguements on the other side and their stand on this issue.
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Yes. But the chance people will start THINKING LOGICAL is so minimal.
"Kapital77" has just once again shown he feels he's right because fan clubs and forums have united against the so-called "fraud".
Let me quote myself:
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"Kapital77" among others is supported in his belief because the so-called argument "I hear Jason, he/she hears him, too, so it's an irrefutable fact" works for him.
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To some degree, the question of whether or not someone else is singing is irrelevant. The issue is that the vocals for these 3 songs do not sound like Michael for whatever reason (voice blending, over producing, double, etc., etc.,) and are therefore not "authentic" in my opinion.
the bolded part is actually a personal opinion of yours and it's missing the point I made about "possibility versus being impossible".
let me explain
- you might think JM getting paid and keeping silent is a high possibility
- I might think it's a 1 in a billion possibility - far fetched and really low possibility
similarly
-someone can believe MJ having cold is a high possibility
- while it might be a low possibility and far fetched to you
regardless of our personal beliefs and the level of possibility we think, it will be a "possible" scenario for all with again no way of proving which side is right in their possibility level assessment. any honest person that's open to discussion could look to it and say "I don't necessarily agree but that's a possibility"
Impossible is quite a different ballpark in my opinion.
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I would hardly say 'its missing the point', as I made note of the fact that what I said was impossible, where as the theories others have presented are actually possible within that post you just quoted.
But yeah its my belief that (while possible) they are pretty far fetched. None of the theories presented by the other side would make MJ sound like a completely different person.
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Just gone through a through reported posts on this thread. This 'you're not a fan if you don't believe what I believe' stops right now. Every post that contains questions about a members 'fandom' will be automatically deleted.
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I am a big doubter of the vocals on these tracks, however I have to say that I think Will.I.am wasnt talking directly about the vocals. Like...the singer on the songs isnt MJ.
I think he meant the songs in general werent MJ, like they didnt have an MJ feel to them because he wasnt there to complete them and he feels that they shouldnt have been finished without MJ here to have his input.
That is how I interpreted it anyway.
I think he meant the songs in general werent MJ, like they didnt have an MJ feel to them because he wasnt there to complete them and he feels that they shouldnt have been finished without MJ here to have his input.
That is how I interpreted it anyway.
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will.i.am wasn't referring to any vocals, Kapital77.
This site is doing the same thing like you're doing on MJHideOut: Trying to push an OPINION as fact based on ASSUMPTIONS.
These threads will always be remembered.
Anyway, you have revealed a lot about what you believe at MaxJax, so it's pointless to try to make you think logical. You're full of hate and distrust towards Sony, the MJ Estate, the Cascio family, Frank DiLeo etc.
This site is doing the same thing like you're doing on MJHideOut: Trying to push an OPINION as fact based on ASSUMPTIONS.
These threads will always be remembered.
Anyway, you have revealed a lot about what you believe at MaxJax, so it's pointless to try to make you think logical. You're full of hate and distrust towards Sony, the MJ Estate, the Cascio family, Frank DiLeo etc.
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Through all of this we've had numerous comparison videos which illustrate the similarity with JM very effectively. However, I have not seen a single video comparing vocals side by side with MJ to illustrate it's MJ. Moreoever, as of yet I still haven't seen anyone process the vocals on Monster to sound like MJ. Interesting that. We'd love to see it. Love to.
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Why would we do comparisons/process of MJ vocals when we know it's him? lol The burden of proof it's on you all, not us.
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