The Great Debate - Poll of Polls

[loka]

i first believed in the fake...then i've read sony's statement wich include Bruce Swedien's caution and i've read Greg Phillinganes Interview in a french Mag (vibration) saying it was MJ.

So I changed my mind and thought it was at least MJ the most part of the time. But now, with the PENTUM comparisons, i think that it is probably fake at 70 % if not more. Perhaps still some vocals are from MJ.

i don't undesrtand why they did this, why also Riley or Philinganes said what they said...Was they fooled ?

even stevie wonder hears MJ...

I can understand nothing to this story...

and yes, the promo is probably over.

 

[L.T.D]

i first believed in the fake...then i've read sony's statement wich include Bruce Swedien's caution and i've read Greg Phillinganes Interview in a french Mag (vibration) saying it was MJ.

So I changed my mind and thought it was at least MJ the most part of the time. But now, with the PENTUM comparisons, i think that it is probably fake at 70 % if not more. Perhaps still some vocals are from MJ.

i don't undesrtand why they did this, why also Riley or Philinganes said what they said...Was they fooled ?

even stevie wonder hears MJ...

I can understand nothing to this story...

and yes, the promo is probably over.

Stevie didnt say either way, I think he just wants to please everyone.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

i first believed in the fake...then i've read sony's statement wich include Bruce Swedien's caution and i've read Greg Phillinganes Interview in a french Mag (vibration) saying it was MJ.

So I changed my mind and thought it was at least MJ the most part of the time. But now, with the PENTUM comparisons, i think that it is probably fake at 70 % if not more. Perhaps still some vocals are from MJ.

i don't undesrtand why they did this, why also Riley or Philinganes said what they said...Was they fooled ?

even stevie wonder hears MJ...

I can understand nothing to this story...

and yes, the promo is probably over.

Stevie Wonder never specifically commented on Cascio tracks. He just spoke in general.

 

[loka]

bumper or pentum,

do you believe that there still some MJ vocals in Monster (the bridge ? the chorus ?)

 

[deano]

If people are claiming they can not hear MJ at all on these tracks, then there is really little else you can say.

I will finish by saying this though, I have read comments from non-believers such as;

"Even if Jason Malachi catagorically says he is not on the tracks, why should we believe him!?"!!

and

"I prefer to believe my own ears rather than have scientific proof"!!

It is pointless trying to discuss anything with people who have attitudes like this. They are already admitting they will not be swayed by any available facts, so what else can be achieved?

It's like me saying;

""If Sony made a Live TV announcement stating that they had found out MJ was 100% NOT on the Cascio tracks, I would not believe them!"

or

"Even if science proved beyond all reasonable doubt that MJ was NOT singing on the Cascio tracks, I would not believe them!

In those instances the 'boycotters'/'non-believers' would say I am a crank who will not accept the facts presented - and they would be right - so why should it be any difference with the situation we have before us now?

If the available science can not convince people, if MJ's closest friends (who were there at the time of recording) of 20-30 years can't convince them, then they don't want convincing. Whats the point in going around in circles to keep trying?

All I am certain of is this, MJ will never have another #1 album or single in the US or UK after this debacle. The general public have finally grown tired by all the drama that follows MJ - even after his death. I'm sure most of them were willing to give his music another chance - and leave all the sh*t in the past - it's just a shame that some of his 'fans' are not so willing.

 

[loka]

If people are claiming they can not hear MJ at all on these tracks, then there is really little else you can say.

I will finish by saying this though, I have read comments from non-believers such as;

"Even if Jason Malachi catagorically says he is not on the tracks, why should we believe him!?"!!

and

"I prefer to believe my own ears rather than have scientific proof"!!

It is pointless trying to discuss anything with people who have attitudes like this. They are already admitting they will not be swayed by any available facts, so what else can be achieved?

It's like me saying;

""If Sony made a Live TV announcement stating that they had found out MJ was 100% NOT on the Cascio tracks, I would not believe them!"

or

"Even if science proved beyond all reasonable doubt that MJ was NOT singing on the Cascio tracks, I would not believe them!

In those instances the 'boycotters'/'non-believers' would say I am a crank who will not accept the facts presented - and they would be right - so why should it be any difference with the situation we have before us now?

If the available science can not convince people, if MJ's closest friends (who were there at the time of recording) of 20-30 years can't convince them, then they don't want convincing. Whats the point in going around in circles to keep trying?

All I am certain of is this, MJ will never have another #1 album or single in the US or UK after this debacle. The general public have finally grown tired by all the drama that follows MJ - even after his death. I'm sure most of them were willing to give his music another chance - and leave all the sh*t in the past - it's just a shame that some of his 'fans' are not so willing.

Malachi is probably involved deano

The real question is :

why did they do this ?
Was Monster or BN unfinsihed demos from Michael and so they decided to finish it no matter what ?

You can have an example of a real MJ demo with "In The Back" where he even not has the Verses done.

Was it the case for "Monster" and "BN" ?

Did they feel like they had a mission to accomplish for MJ ? Doing the work ?

at this point, it would the best scenario possible

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

bumper or pentum,

do you believe that there still some MJ vocals in Monster (the bridge ? the chorus ?)

In all honesty when I try really hard to hear Michael on those songs all of sudden I am struck by some details making me frown my eyebrows and hurting my ears. The details are no husk, lack of power, intonation. Some "ha" or "aouw" are probably Michael's, but nothing more.

 

[L.T.D]

If people are claiming they can not hear MJ at all on these tracks, then there is really little else you can say.

I will finish by saying this though, I have read comments from non-believers such as;

"Even if Jason Malachi catagorically says he is not on the tracks, why should we believe him!?"!!

and

"I prefer to believe my own ears rather than have scientific proof"!!

It is pointless trying to discuss anything with people who have attitudes like this. They are already admitting they will not be swayed by any available facts, so what else can be achieved?

'fans' 'fans' 'fans' 'fans' 'fans' 'fans' 'fans'. Dont you get sick of typing that?

If Malachi were to say its not him on the Cascio tracks then it wouldnt be fact would it......? It needs to be proven as fact before you can call it fact. If it was him on the songs, then he would hardly admit it would he? Thats what i'm getting at.

You dont try and discuss anything with anyone anyway. 'Attitudes like this'? I think you need to look in the mirror, your attitude is disgraceful. In every single on of your posts you type 'fans', pretty much doubting anyone who disagrees with you as being a fan in the first place. You're the most stubborn person on the board and certainly the least willing to have a discussion that I have come across. You're only willing to discuss things with people who share the same opinion as you, anyone else isnt a 'fan'.

 

[deano]

You can bet 100% Jason Malachi is NOT on these tracks!

His face would have been splashed all over 'The Sun', 'Sky News 24', etc. if it was!!

This guy would NEVER fail to 'milk' the situation if it was him. The trouble is, as it's not, he can only 'insinuate' (or get people to insinuate for him). If he came out to the press and blatantly lied, then Sony would sue him for the little he has.

Why people can not just accept facts and 'reason', I honestly don't know. It can't all be down to a decade old argument between Sony and MJ - can it?

 

[loka]

You can bet 100% Jason Malachi is NOT on these tracks!

His face would have been splashed all over 'The Sun', 'Sky News 24', etc. if it was!!

This guy would NEVER fail to 'milk' the situation if it was him. The trouble is, as it's not, he can only 'insinuate' (or get people to insinuate for him). If he came out to the press and blatantly lied, then Sony would sue him for the little he has.

Why people can not just accept facts and 'reason', I honestly don't know. It can't all be down to a decade old argument between Sony and MJ - can it?

Unless MJ was a fan of "Let me let go", i'm sorry to say that you are probably wrong as I was

listen to the compaarison between "Monster" and "let me let go" here

http://fakemichael.com/

 

[Garden]

Mods please ban Deano and L.T.D. lol! There would be much more peace here!
Just joking!
Bumper at least is a rather peaceful person .

Just a crazy idea of mine, don't want to offend anyone.

*runs offline and hides*

 

[deano]

loka.

Because someone sounds the same, or looks the same, it doesn't mean they are the same.

With a copy cat like 'JM' (Hmmmmm....that almost like 'MJ' isn't it?), it's his job to sound like MJ. It's hardly surprising that you would hear similarities between the two of them, is it? Perhaps, as Michael grew older and weaker, his voice became more like JM's, and JM's became more like MJ?

As I said, Imagine JM being on these records, getting absolutely no credit whatsoever for it, and accepting it? No chance! The guy is deperate for 'fame', and there is no way he would miss the opportunity to have his mug all over the worldwide media.

 

[deano]

It seems people on here only want people banned when they argue AGAINST the 'fake' 'conspiracy' theories.

Strange that!

 

[L.T.D]

It seems people on here only want people banned when they argue AGAINST the 'fake' 'conspiracy' theories.

Strange that!

Mods please ban Deano and L.T.D. lol! There would be much more peace here!
Just joking!
Bumper at least is a rather peaceful person .

Just a crazy idea of mine, don't want to offend anyone.

*runs offline and hides*

Well Garden mentioned me being banned as well......so yeah. I dont get you.

I dont see why someone would present the idea of me being banned though, even as a joke. I'm quite offended by that to be honest, I only post in that manner if I am provoked....

 

[Maksima40]

I don't believe for a minute that Jason Malachi is on the Casio tracks. Not even after hearing this comparison. Selected comparisons on Youtube isn't actually proof. I just don't buy it.

But if real proof comes up, I'm the first to say I was wrong.

 

[deano]

Well Garden mentioned me being banned as well......so yeah. I dont get you.

I dont see why someone would present the idea of me being banned though, even as a joke. I'm quite offended by that to be honest, I only post in that manner if I am provoked....

Yes. Missed your name there on Garden's post. Although the 'banning' talk only seems to happen when I come along and try to argue the other side.

Can you expalin how my original post "provoked" you personally?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

The thing is that many 'believers' think -from what I could read here- that 'doubters' don't want to believe it is Michael.

However, the truth of the matter is that we 'doubters' want to believe it is Michael (at least many of us), but we fail to hear Michael's lead vocals on the Cascio tracks despite what SONY/Estate claim or regardless what the nephews/brothers/Katherine, etc say.

 

[L.T.D]

Yes. Missed your name there on Garden's post. Although the 'banning' talk only seems to happen when I come along and try to argue the other side.

Can you expalin how my original post "provoked" you personally?

Well yeah, here's your original post.

I will finish by saying this though, I have read comments from non-believers such as;

"Even if Jason Malachi catagorically says he is not on the tracks, why should we believe him!?"!!

and

"I prefer to believe my own ears rather than have scientific proof"!!

It is pointless trying to discuss anything with people who have attitudes like this. They are already admitting they will not be swayed by any available facts, so what else can be achieved?

And here are quotes from two posts I made not long before you made that post.

He never actually said it wasnt him on the Cascio songs. Even if he did, why would we believe him?

To me nothing is more logical than believing what your ears are telling you, rather than listening to what you're told despite your ears telling you the complete opposite. Music to me is about feeling, not tests, forensic scientists, genies and goblins....

It is pretty clear to me that you were referencing me in your original post, or its just a big coincidence. You pretty much quoted me on the bit about not believing Malachi if he said the songs werent him.

You're just going to claim otherwise anyway, so I dont know why i'm bothering.

 

[Pentum]

bumper or pentum,

do you believe that there still some MJ vocals in Monster (the bridge ? the chorus ?)

Neh, only the "YEEEEEE-EEEE-EEE" and "HOOOO-OOOUUU". And maybe the "Hmmhmmmmm".

I know Jason's vocie very, very good. I used to listen to his music a lot before all of this happened.

 

[deano]

Why is no-one challenging my assumption that JM would be 'all over the media like a rash'/'getting his name up in lights' if he were on the songs?

The reason he is not on the front of 'The Sun'? Because Sony would sue his ass off!

It's all very straight forward if you go with 'reason' rather than speculation and innuendo.

 

[Graf]

Why is no-one challenging my assumption that JM would be 'all over the media like a rash'/'getting his name up in lights' if he were on the songs?

The reason he is not on the front of 'The Sun'? Because Sony would sue his ass off!

It's all very straight forward if you go with 'reason' rather than speculation and innuendo.

Why? Because the Estate released that statement, which I would think most of the media would just go a long with it. Besides, since when has the media been committed trying to get any truth about anything related to Michael Jackson? Not go to into another direction, but everyone went a long with Milli Vanilli for 2 years until they admitted it....but honestly, for me, I don't hear Michael one bit in the Cascio tracks. All the Cascio tracks have that same voice. I haven't listened to my Michael CD in weeks because I'm fed up with it all.

 

[Pentum]

Why is no-one challenging my assumption that JM would be 'all over the media like a rash'/'getting his name up in lights' if he were on the songs?

The reason he is not on the front of 'The Sun'? Because Sony would sue his ass off!

It's all very straight forward if you go with 'reason' rather than speculation and innuendo.

I don't get why he would had his name up in lights and on front of The Sun?

Most of the general people obviously believe it's Michael.

 

[deano]

^^^^^^^^
You'll have to do better than those excuses guys! LOL!

He's desperate for success - desperate in every sense. If he believes it's him, 'The Sun' won't even care if it's true, they would put it on the front cover in a flash!

"THE SUN DISCOVERS THE REAL MICHAEL JACKSON!"

I can just see the headlines now!

We all know the reason he's not all over the media - because it's not him, and the Cascios have never even heard of him.

 

[L.T.D]

Why is no-one challenging my assumption that JM would be 'all over the media like a rash'/'getting his name up in lights' if he were on the songs?

It's all very straight forward if you go with 'reason' rather than speculation and innuendo.

Because he has been paid by Sony, and like you said yourself...he could be sued by Sony.

Its not speculation and innuendo either, its just what we hear. Simple as that.

 

[Korgnex]

But IF any media agency believed it was Jason, they would immediately bring this in the news as a headline like "Michael Jackson - Imposter is singing on the album 'Michael' ".
Any tabloid (and there are THOUSANDS!) would like to spread this. Bad news sell well.

BUT there's no such news for a good reason...


*attention: sarcasm*
Or do you think ALL media agencies have been "paid off"? :lol:
*sarcasm ends*

 

[Graf]

But IF any media outlet believed it was Jason, they would immediately bring this in the news as a headline like "Michael Jackson - Imposter is singing on the album 'Michael' ".
Any tabloid (and there are THOUSANDS!) would like to spread this. Bad news sell well.

BUT there's no such news for a good reason...

Again, a lot of the media believes the estates Statement completely. No media company is going to start battles with the Estate and Sony over this, why would they? Also, again, since when has the media ever been committed to getting truth about anything Michael Jackson related?

 

[L.T.D]

Are we giving the press credit for good judgement now? Wow....

I've seen some papers list pictures of Michael from the mid 90's as being from 1984. They havent got a clue.

 

[Korgnex]

^ The media can report what they WANT as long as it's within some legal boundaries.

They would love this.


@L.T.D.: Nobody is giving them good credit. You're not getting the point. There's no logical reason why they should not make these claims. They could avoid getting sued by focussing on Jason and not addressing the record company.

[...]a lot of the media
[...]
No media company
[...]

"A lot" = ALL media agencies around the globe???

Can you even say that "A lot" is correct? You can't know...

"No media company"? There are thousand tabloids that would do this immediately. All they care is selling their "news" to a wide audience.

 

[L.T.D]

^ The media can report what they WANT as long as it's within some legal boundaries.

They would love this.


@L.T.D.: Nobody is giving them good credit. You're not getting the point. There's no logical reason why they should not make these claims. They could avoid getting sued by focussing on Jason and not addressing the record company.

I am getting the point, but i'm adding my own point. The press probably believe it is MJ on these songs and thats why they arent reporting it. In fact i'm pretty sure they do believe it is MJ on these songs.

Or maybe they simply dont care about the album, because lets be honest...Sony dont seem to have put much effort behind promoting it and you have to wonder why.

 

[Graf]

"A lot" = ALL media agencies around the globe???

Can you even say that "A lot" is correct? You can't know...

"No media company"? There are thousand tabloids that would do this immediately. All they care is selling their "news" to a wide audience.

Let's not kid ourselves Korgnex, the media has never and will never dedicate themselves to finding the truths about Michael Jackson, in life and in death. In Michael's life he was accused of something he would never do, yet you had mainstream networks like CNN pushing that he could be guilty. If you want to keep believing that the mainstream media is on Michael's side in any way then go ahead. YES, ALL media agencies around the globe, mainstream ones, will not commit themselves to truths about Michael Jackson, they never have in his life and they will not in his death, if they did have that commitment then perhaps Michael would still be here.