Randall Sullivan's book "Untouchable"

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more crap from RS: an excerpt published on The Root.

"(Special to The Root) -- What many people didn't understand about Michael Jackson was how hard he tried to get it right. His early training had turned him into an artist who pushed himself and everyone around him to correct even the slightest imperfection in a performance. Michael's attitude in the studio was, "I am here to be the best in the world, to be better than best, in fact, and you had better try to do the same if you want to work with me." He would not tolerate shortcomings. That approach was what carried him to the overwhelming success he achieved with Thriller, and it was also what left him stuck there. He devoted more than four years to his follow-up album, Bad, determined, as he said at the time, to make the record "as perfect as humanly possible." He was confused when critics complained that it was as if he had tried to apply a thousand coats of aural lacquer to Thriller, to make pretty much the same album, only shinier. Jackson spent another four years on Dangerous and then read in the New York and Los Angeles newspapers that the album was an "overproduced" facsimile of Bad. It was as if he believed that polishing the surface of his work to a high gloss would blind people to the increasingly hollow core that lay beneath. Along the way, he lost interest in authenticity. What he wanted was flawless artifice. It was the same goal he pursued in the reconstruction of his face."

notice the reference to "the increasingly hollow core that lay beneath"--he is talking about Michael's MUSIC post-Thriller!!! He then goes on to talk about the whitening of his skin in the next pages of excerpts. If you can stomach it go to

http://www.theroot.com/views/how-mj-engineered-his-sound-and-look
 
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I hope this teaches t-mez he needs to be more careful when choosing to help so called authors who write these awful trashy books on michael and if he really has any respect for michael he will do that

NO it will not teach him a lesson, because based on what he says, he believes he is right. His idea is that if he puts the truth about Michael anywhere and people read it, they will believe his part. He dismisses the packaging where his information will be; he dismisses the other lies surrounding his tiny factual input in the book. To him, all the other trash in the book is insignificant, because people will see what HE has to say. To him, who cares about sexuality, vitiligo, surgery, the main thing is that people will see that I have said Michael is innocent. Sorry TMez, but it does not work that way. You flood people with a a lot of sensationalized lies and put in a tiny bit of information that does not fit in with all the other lies in the book, and guess what people will zero in on TMez?

As I said before, I respect his intellect, his ability to defend the innocence, and his ethics, but when it comes to this book I give his comments a thumbs down!!

PS: just saw his letter to fans. Now I see he goes against what he said originally in the first letter to the fan about he does not care about people's sexuality, etc. Now I see he wants these aspects of Michael explained (surgery, connection to children, etc.). I agree with him here, but what he does not say is that the explanation of these critical issues are not accurate, and that is what the fans are in uproar about. How are people going to learn about these issues, if the explanations are not fully accurate?

He also uses the usual stance of people who disagree with fans when the fans call them out on their misjudgment, that is, claiming that the fans are not real fans, or are doing Michael a disservice, or are harming his legacy, or are making the haters happy. These are all psychological attacks wherein the fan is supposed to feel "bad," "emotional," & "sad" about their behavior or action and then embrace what the person is saying. It is almost like emotional blackmail. I have seen this form of attack so often since 09 that I can spot it out now quite easily.

He liked the review he had in his hand, but what he does not say is that overall the media are focusing on what Sullivan said about the vitiligo, noses, i.e., the lies in the book, and not what TMez claimed in his contribution to the book, and that is the most important thing here. The message the media and readers are coming away with is the false information, so what makes this book so good for Michael TMez?
 
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Randall Sullivan is bitching...to his local newspaper.

http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2012/12/bookmarks_angry_jackson_fans_a.html

Randall Sullivan's book on Michael Jackson got off to a sensational start. An excerpt in the November issue of Vanity Fair had startling new information about bad behavior by Janet Jackson and led to appearances by Sullivan on several ABC shows: "Nightline," "Good Morning America" and "Katie." Amazon named "Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson" one of its best books of the month for November, and it looked like a sure best-seller for the Portland author.

Three weeks later, "Untouchable" is unavailable in book form on Amazon (the Kindle edition is still available), and Sullivan doesn't think he can do a bookstore appearance outside Portland because of security concerns. "Untouchable" has gone from surefire hit to the subject of a boycott campaign by angry Jackson fans. What happened?

The short answer is Amazon posted a note saying "Item Under Review" on the "Untouchable" page. "While this item is available from other marketplace sellers on this page, it is not currently offered by Amazon.com because customers have told us there may be something wrong with our inventory of the item, the way we are shipping it, or the way it's described here ... We're working to fix the problem as quickly as possible."

Sullivan says he's been told that's the automatic response when more than one customer complains that a book has been delivered in unacceptable condition, such as being damaged. His publisher, Grove Press, says Amazon informed them one copy was torn and another was returned twice. Grove is trying to get "Untouchable" back online "in the middle of the biggest shopping season of the year, but it's hard to push against a big machine," says Deb Seager, the director of publicity at Grove/Atlantic.

Amazon did not return messages seeking comment.

Whether damaged copies of "Untouchable" were shipped from Amazon's warehouse or were mangled in transit is unknown. What is clear is there is an organized campaign against the book. A Facebook page called "Michael Jackson's Rapid Response Team to Media Attacks" has been encouraging fans to post negative reviews on Amazon, whether they've read it or not, and they've responded with gusto. "Untouchable" had 95 (of 115) one-star reviews as of Nov. 28, and many used the same phrases and language and were written by people who said they hadn't read it. "Tabloid," "slanderous," "trash" and "lies" were repeated in review after review.

What's more revealing for those who are suspicious about the claim of damaged books was a post on the Facebook page on Monday: "MJ fans we have done it again!!! Who's BAD!!!" The post then linked to the Amazon notice about "Item Under Review." One of the five comments was "LOL we don't want to get in trouble though, hopefully this won't ..." Another implored "a few more people to give this book 1 star and a bad review? Thank you so much for your hard work."

So who's behind the campaign against "Untouchable," and what are their motives?

The people attacking the book are Jackson fans who are unhappy because Sullivan, in his book and in interviews, says he is not 100 percent sure Jackson never molested children. "I can't. There is a shadow of doubt," Sullivan said on "Nightline."

To Jackson fans, any suggestion that their idol was a pedophile is anathema. Jackson slept in the same bed as underage children for years at his "Neverland" ranch and reportedly paid $20 million in 1993 to settle a civil lawsuit. He was acquitted on all charges in a 2005 trial. Jackson died in 2009.

Sullivan's book is a sympathetic portrait of Jackson as a supremely talented, intelligent man who was physically abused by his father as a child and manipulated by his family into supporting them by touring and giving them money. Sullivan, a longtime contributing editor to Rolling Stone and the author of a book about the deaths of rappers Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls, says he was not particularly interested in Jackson or his music before agreeing to do a piece for Rolling Stone after the singer's death.

"Then when I got into it I found I was a lot more fascinated by Michael Jackson than I thought I was," Sullivan says, "because of the complexity of his character, and I saw the tragic dimensions. It was clear fairly early on that the evidence of him being a pedophile wasn't nearly as convincing as I thought it was."

Tom Mesereau, the attorney who represented Jackson in the 2005 criminal trial, was a major source for Sullivan and strongly defends the book. This presents a dilemma for Jackson's fans, who revere Mesereau as a hero for his work on Jackson's behalf. Mesereau has written letters to Jackson fan groups supporting Sullivan's book and gone online with an accusation that "Powerful people who are criticized in this book are attempting to manipulate the Michael Jackson fan base into not reading it."

There were plenty of unscrupulous people surrounding Jackson during his lifetime, starting with his family and extending to financial, legal and creative advisers. Many of these same people, and many others, have been involved in contentious disputes about his will and the disposition of his estate. Sullivan did extensive reporting on the tangled state of affairs that has prevailed since Jackson's death and dug into issues that have been largely ignored over the last three years. The question of whether Sullivan thinks Jackson was a pedophile -- he doesn't, but he's not absolutely certain -- seems less important than whether he wrote a full and accurate biography of one of the most famous entertainers in American history.

Would he do it again?

"I don't know," Sullivan says after a long pause. "It's a tough call. I do feel Michael deserved to be vindicated, and somebody needed to do it. Right now I'm sort of staggering and listing from the ferocity of these attacks. It's been insane."

What a buffoon. He didn't vindicate Michael....He indicted him all over again.
 
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MJ's fans are amazing.. Sullivan is pissed and he's being attacked..!!!! I'm loving it and his book is a massive failure after only 3 weeks:bowling:
 
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What an idiot, I'm glad his book is a complete failure. He's just mad that he didn't make a quick buck so now he's claiming it's all a conspiracy against him...right.
 
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The people attacking the book are Jackson fans who are unhappy because Sullivan, in his book and in interviews, says he is not 100 percent sure Jackson never molested children. "I can't. There is a shadow of doubt," Sullivan said on "Nightline."

And someone should send this to Mesereau
 
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Randall Sullivan is bitching...to his local newspaper.

http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2012/12/bookmarks_angry_jackson_fans_a.html



What a buffoon. He didn't vindicate Michael....He indicted him all over again.


What a fool, so they thought this book would have been a hit!!! What egos. Next time they need to add into their equations "the Michael fans" before they deem something a hit or not. Sullivan is so lucky that he could find media outlets who can give him the opportunity to cry on their shoulders. Michael had no such support in the media. It is simply sickening how Sullivan and that reporter is now trying to claim that this book was trying to help Michael. In the next breath he forgets the good intentions and quotes the same wrong figure of 20 mil, and neglects to qualify the statement about the settlement to show why it was paid.

Now I understand more why TMez has written to fans 3 times, and the sad thing is that TMez mentions the fans response in the same way this article ^^ does. Now who are they mad at really? Is it the fans with the number 1 reviews? I do not think the general public will be looking at what fans write in order to determine if they should buy a book or not. So, they are mad the fans gave a #1 which influenced other fans to not buy. This means that they write trash about Michael for his fans to buy and expect HIS fans to give it good reviews so that other Michael fans should buy it. The nerve of these people is amazing. It is almost like someone going on a trip to kill your mother, and then asking you to help them pay for the trip.

I am soooooooo happy that this man's ego and that of his publisher and this reporter got a good pounding!!! They needed to learn that trashing Michael and putting TMez in the mix does not mean Michael's fans will run out and buy. They seem to have this idea of Michael's fans as being fools who will buy anything with his name on it. They call us names when we do not go along with their program and then at the same time want us to buy their goods. Well who is laughing now!!

PS: yes Ivy someone should send that comment by Sullivan to TMez, although he would not care. Now I know why the Jacksons did nothing--they knew Michael's army of love would handle it. AS usual the media always reads the fan boards to get free information. We may have to begin charging them some fee.
 
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A JOB WELL DONE MJJCOMMUNITY. Smiles all smiles. Michaels has some BEAUTIFUL FANS.
 
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These people and others need to understand something and that is we won't tolerate trash about Michael. Especially something that was researched using tabloids. How much crap did Michael have to deal with when he was here and how much that hurt him professionally and personally? Just because Tom Messerau supports or likes this book doesn't mean I have to as well. I don't need somebody writing a book going under the pretense that he is saying Michael was innocent but then can't say he believes it 100%. He wants fans to buy the book trying to say things they want to hear but he doesn't back it up. I don't buy just anything with Michael's name on it. I buy something that I feel honors him and something I find truthful and respects Michael not just the artist but as a human being.

The reality is that's all we have now. Michael isn't here and I try to choose wisely what I support and what i don't. I feel like as fans people are pulling us in different directions trying to take advantage of the grief we feel that Michael is gone. I want Michael to have peace. I want people to respect him and leave him alone. I hope someday more people will see when they push away the trash being forced on them that they see what a good man Michael really was.
 
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They seem to be stressing that the reviewers did not read the book, but no one mentioned some of Sullivan's reviews where you could see the review was staged, especially the person who gave a review and then said they were going out to buy the book because there were too many #1 reviews. To be honest, not all books I read completely. Sometimes by the time I read a few paragraphs or a couple of chapters I have had enough and throw the whole thing in the garbage. As a teen I would read a whole book even if the book seemed stupid, because I had this idea that I paid for it and should not waste my money. Now if a book does not grip me after a few pages, or if it begins with too much nonsense, I discard it. That is why I always admire people like Ivy who have the fortitude to read a bunch of crap from cover to cover.
 
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While Im not proud if MJ fans used dishonests tactics to have the book removed. ( and the bad press we recieved over it) But We were certainly in our rights to trash the book and give it terrible reviews. The book is very disrespectful toward Michael and does NOT defend MJs innocence as TMez seems to believe and Sullivan proves that with his own words in several interviews.
 
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I was wondering if maybe a team read the book at Amazon, decided there was too much unfounded junk in it, and decided to have it removed for further review? I mean Amazon sells a lot of Michael products, and they know we are good customers. If a lot of fans are complaining, they may have looked into the matter, and since the book did not do well the first few days anyway, there is no great loss to them to remove the book to look into the situation.
 
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" Sullivan doesn't think he can do a bookstore appearance outside Portland because of security concerns." LOL

Hide your head, Sullivan, you fool. Why did you write such crap about Michael and repeat it on TV? No nose? His music after Thriller is just an overproduced "hollow core"? He was a pre-sexual? You're not 100% sure he didn't molest a child?

Well, I'm 100% sure that Michael had a nose, did not molest children or anyone else, that he is the greatest artist of our time, and that your book is going nowhere!
 
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That comment about he cannot do bookstore appearances outside of the Portland because of security concerns is funny as hell:hysterical:
Is he afraid of fans throwing his own book to his head or what? Talking about oversized ego:doh:

"seems less important than whether he wrote a full and accurate biography of one of the most famous entertainers in American history".

Well thats the thing, he didn't write full and accurate bio. Lets say he interviewed 10 people (not to mention that those 10 people were crooks of MJ's life) that were around MJ during his last 5 years. How about other 40 people that were around MJ and he didn't interview them? Was it because what they had to say, didn't suit to his picture how his book was to be or how he wanted to portray Michael? How could he claim it is accurate, when he relays info from tabloids,we all know that tabloid reporters write what sells the most (Roger F, take a note) and not necessary true, then he relays info from disgruntled ex-employees, ex-partners, ex-managers (Sullivan should have take a notice as to why they are EX-something, there was a reason why they were fired). He cannot say his book is full and accurate bio of MJ if he fails to include interviews and facts from other people around MJ.
 
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Also, the "up for review" thing isn't all that rare so I'm not sure how much fans actually had a part in that happening. Even Joe Vogel's book was up for review for a brief time last year bc of damaged inventory.

It's so irritating how they lump all the fans as a bunch of aggressive, ill informed lunatics just to discredit them and shame others into keeping their silence. He talks about the fans like they are the scum of the Earth and still expects us to pay his bills.
 
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What a fool, so they thought this book would have been a hit!!! What egos. Next time they need to add into their equations "the Michael fans" before they deem something a hit or not. Sullivan is so lucky that he could find media outlets who can give him the opportunity to cry on their shoulders. Michael had no such support in the media. It is simply sickening how Sullivan and that reporter is now trying to claim that this book was trying to help Michael. In the next breath he forgets the good intentions and quotes the same wrong figure of 20 mil, and neglects to qualify the statement about the settlement to show why it was paid.

Now I understand more why TMez has written to fans 3 times, and the sad thing is that TMez mentions the fans response in the same way this article ^^ does. Now who are they mad at really? Is it the fans with the number 1 reviews? I do not think the general public will be looking at what fans write in order to determine if they should buy a book or not. So, they are mad the fans gave a #1 which influenced other fans to not buy. This means that they write trash about Michael for his fans to buy and expect HIS fans to give it good reviews so that other Michael fans should buy it. The nerve of these people is amazing. It is almost like someone going on a trip to kill your mother, and then asking you to help them pay for the trip.

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I disagree. People are often influenced by these amazon reviews. I buy a lot there, and i do take the time to heck the reviews.

So i am hopeful and would like to believe that, not only fans but also the general public, were discouraged from reading this book. That is the only way to explain such a failure despite so much media coverage (Nightline, GMA 2X, Access Hollywood, Katie Couric Show, LATimes 2X, NYTimes, TMZ, Vanity Fair, UK tabloids 2X....) The guy used all his media contact from his Rolling Stone days...and it shows.

If only Joe Vogel's book had gotten half this coverage....

PS Curious to know why his former employer, Rolling Stone who always has an ax to grind with MJ, didn't even cover the book release.
 
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Seriously, sullivan is cancelling booksignings over 'security concerns' and is reeling from the ferocity of fan attacks. What a big girl's blouse - it's only some fan reviews on amazon. He's implying mj fans are a bunch of dangerous nutcases capable of physical violence - i'm sure some of us are nutcases but ddimond, sneddon, gavin and jordan etc all seem to be walking around with no black eyes. I really hope he has taken the time to read some of the reviews - katerina's review gives chapter and verse of all the problems, and morinen (i'm assuming it's the same morinen as here)'s review is fabulous in showing how disappointing it was.

It's so irritating how they lump all the fans as a bunch of aggressive, ill informed lunatics just to discredit them and shame others into keeping their silence. He talks about the fans like they are the scum of the Earth and still expects us to pay his bills.

I just don't see how he expected his book to be a fan favourite. If it was called 'misunderstood genius' maybe, but it's called untouchable and about mj's 'strange' life - it's not rocket science for us to work out it might not be top of our xmas list. He just dismisses mj's music - there is interview after interview with crap advisors and business managers, and nothing with any musical collaborator. I know he was concentrating on the last years, but he could have tried to talk to william or akon. Most fans are fans because of mj's music so for it to be so roundly dismissed is frankly bizarre.

Here is what sullivan says about the trial of murray, the man who killed mj and the ruling that the trial only concentrate on the last few days before 25 june.
Pastor's ruling meant that what had promised to be a deliciously scandalous trial would now be reduced to expert testimony'.

Yes, that's what mj's sympathetic biographer felt about the trial. This was so not a book for fans. I can only believe this book was aimed at non-fans or just the curious interested in celebs, hence tmez's pride in actually getting sullivan to turn round his thinking about the allegations against mj. If readers were expecting a bob jones or ddimond portrayal of mj as unsettling pedo, well they would get a surprise, as all the main allegations against mj are shown to be hugely suspect. The problem for sullivan, is that it is such a long, boring book that only the most devoted of mj fans would be interested in reading it - there is no chronology, no index as far as i can see, and just dry narrative about a vast array of characters non-fans would have zilch interest in. It didn't have a market, so no point blaming the fans for bad reviews, it wasn't for us to begin with and the type of people who wd want it, wd hardly take mj fans into account.

It's a problem with the publishers. It's sad, riding high in the charts is a biog of bruce springstein. It's written by an unabashed fan, who has had access to all family and friends. He's meant to have taken a good hard look at springstien but all the reviews say this is a must for any bruce fan and they all love it. If anything like that was published about mj, it wd be dismissed as hagiography, like i've seen bad25 dismissed as.
 
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Jesus... Can someone seriously talk with Mr. Mesereau please?
 
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I feel crushed, really crushed. I would never in a million light years expect an endorsement of someone who says that there is 'a shadow of a doubt'. There is not. And I do not require Mr. Sullivan to know of Michael Jackson's complete innocence.

I thank Mr. Mesereau for the outstanding work he did for Michael. But a literary critic Mr. Mesereau is not and which is something I learned from the last endorsement ("Defending a King") that turned out to be a hastily thrown together copy=paste job with plenty of factual inaccuracies.
If "Untouchable" is as equally unreadable as the last endorsement - I will continue to recommend Mr. Vogel's book and those countless other books I am trying to assemble in a book list and recommend.

I do recall the days in which Mr. Mesereau himself spoke of the false characterization of Michael as wrong - I would assume the facts have not changed in either way and that it continues to be wrongdoing to a kind soul and genius artist to continuously support anyone who proceeds to paint Michael Jackson as a 'freak show', albeit a 'fascinating freak show'.

Unfortunately there is no compromise with any biographer who wants to leave 'a shadow of a doubt'. I am also in no way associated with any internet campaign - I am merely someone looking to complete my Christmas book list. I saw one (!) interview of Mr. Sullivan and no 'powerful campaigner' has turned be permanently off this book - it was Mr. Sullivan himself.

Christmas shopping for an MJ fan??
Here's a booklist:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...books-contemporaries-fans-others-(all-genres)
 
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I am rendered speechless by Tom's video. I don't understand him at all. Disagree 100%. What a huge disappointment. :(
 
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I cringed watching T-mez holdin that book telling folks to buy it! SMH :ermm: It's embarrassing!
 
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I am also very disappointed by Tom Mesereau's stance on this book.

HOWEVER, and this is important, it is only fair for all us fans to give T-Mez the complete benefit of the doubt. He did and has done so much to clear Michael's name. He is a good man with honest intentions, and I still believe that to be the case. I simply feel he is misguided in supporting this book. Hopefully someone will speak some sense to him about this.

At the end of the day, I am disappointed and surprised but I still have the utmost respect, admiration and gratitude for Tom Mesereau. It's important for us to remember that his main focus is to continue to spread the word on MJ's innocence - which he has done admirably since 2004.
 
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I think we should move on from this. If Tom Messereau has the book he must have read it I assume and still supports it. He doesn't agree with what fans are trying to point out to him. I don't know what else people can say to him. He still supports it. This book failed as it should have. Trash belongs in the trash.
 
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I have just now watched T-mez's video...I have to say that I am appalled that he would be 100% endorsing this book...has HE EVEN read the whole thing?? I doubt it because IF he had...there is NO WAY that he WOULD BE backing Sullivan...now way at all..imo. Tom seems to be worrying about HIS part in Michael's history ONLY and that is the allegations. What Tom HAS TO remember is that he wasn't Michael's WHOLE life...he played a roll in a part of it. Michael is NONE of those things that Sullivan has written in that book...and I think T-Mez should be Ashamed for endorsing a book he has not even read all of..a book that will continue to HARM Michael's Legacy NOT help it the way HE thinks it will.
 
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I am dissapointed & digusted by this video t mez has done

For someone who had helped & fought along with mj against those disgusting false allegations and then to have him back a book that claims it is true is just totally wrong on so many levels
 
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The excuse of "a shadow of a doubt" or "I wasn't in the room" doesn't cut it. I don't know what's up with Tmez. This is so unlike him.
 
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Is it just me or does this video of t-mez seem scripted....??
 
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