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^^

I'm thinking that AEG will argue that majority of Murray's debts were education, equipment and business loans and only a small portion was child support and credit card debt. I expect AEG to argue that these debts would not be a red flag.
 
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ivy said:
Jacksons have filed Murray's debts with the court. This is the best I can do to summarize them
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In the scheme of things and considering Murray was a doctor with multiple offices, his debt is not that much. I thought it was going to add up to 2-3 MILLION DOLLARS or more.

There are professionals out there with way more debt then that, in my opinion.

I personally don't see that particular amount of debt being good enough to show what Mother's side THINKS its going to show.
 
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Agree. its hardly major debt in the scheme of life. so in that sense i dont see how it would be seen as a red flag. as others say is mostly business debt which most businesses have unless u are lucky enough to have a windfall to get u started up.
 
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Now let's see what Murray's reaction is going to be once his appeal's attorney tells him that the Jackson's have filed HIS DEBT with the court as evidence in their lawsuit.

Everybody knows his behind is crazy and he wants no part of Mother's lawsuit. Now she done went and put his bills on blast.
 
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Ivy,are anymore detailed dates given re fourniers claims. i know u mentioned 90's and 00's in court docs in older posts. but was any specific
dates given as media reports say 2003
 
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athina_livadi said:
I will never ever call these creatures family again!
They aren't worth to be called "family" instead of that they can just burn in hell as far as I'm concerned!!!
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Well it's Katherine and the children that are the plaintiffs. No one else in the family is.
 
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StellaJackson said:
Well it's Katherine and the children that are the plaintiffs. No one else in the family is.
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Don't be naive. the Jacksons are the one running the show. KJ and especially the children (who don't know what's going on) are merely puppets.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Ivy,are anymore detailed dates given re fourniers claims. i know u mentioned 90's and 00's in court docs in older posts. but was any specific
dates given as media reports say 2003
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yes 2003 is mentioned in the court documents. That being said I haven't seen anything that suggest he still had the implant in 2009.
 
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Thanks. are any more details given. how did fournier know mj had an implant and was lieing to him if mj never told him he had one?. u do worry about chinese whispers
 
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Bubs said:
I was reading Ivy's tweets and something interesting was mentioned.
Its curious that Jackson's are pushing that MJ was drug addict, but that is going work against them when they start talking about how much money MJ would have made had he lived - re amount of settlement Katherine & Co are looking from AEG.
How long can you expect a full blown drug addict (not my words, family is driving force for that) to live and make money? The way they carrying on saying that MJ was addict for years, they cannot say in the same time that he would have lived to 80 years old and do tours rest of his life.

Then again, that is the reason AEG push the drug addict theory as they can claim that MJ wouldn't have lived long to earn astronomical amount that Jacksons are claiming him to earn rest of his life.
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I agree absolutely. life expectancy of a drug addict is low. AEG makes more sense to use that angle. for the jacksons, they are trying to say: look AEG should have been aware of all these addiction issues, therefore they must pay up. but I think it's a risky strategy, a two edge sword for the jacksons. and it will certainly backfire during the trial.
 
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ivy said:
^^

I'm thinking that AEG will argue that majority of Murray's debts were education, equipment and business loans and only a small portion was child support and credit card debt. I expect AEG to argue that these debts would not be a red flag.
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I agree.

Those debts look surprisingly ordinary. let's do a survey and see what the debts of an average working american are? they won't be that different. and i hope AEG can research these statistics from the banks and credit institutions.

In fact AEG should compare the debts of the jacksons to those of murray to show that murray's debts look like child play.
 
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Agree the family in telling so many lies are contridicting themselves. how was a d.a gonna earn 40 bill??? if im a jurror who thinks mj was a d.a i arent gonna award much cause he wouldnt have lived much longer or wouldnt have been able to earn and work much

and the fact kj thinks shes entilied to as much compo as the kids says it all. when u look at her life expectency etc
 
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StellaJackson said:
Well it's Katherine and the children that are the plaintiffs. No one else in the family is.
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In my opinion, Mother is ALWAYS the face of everything they "try" to do.
 
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Bubs said:
About CM's debts, I wonder if AEG is going to bring out during the trial how much Jackson's are in debt, and to show how debts are affecting people's choices of right and wrong, especially Katherine's 6 million what she owned to Koreans. According to Jackson's, CM being in debt was indication that he would throw away his hippocratic oath, so AEG could show Katherine's debt effected to her choices too, as according to proposed verdict form from AEG, they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
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That should be interesting. In fact bring out the jacksons debts, which are estimated in the millions make CM's debts look like a joke.
 
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Did AEG really say this ?

they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
 
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jaydom7 said:
Did AEG really say this ?

they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
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yes they did.
 
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jaydom7 said:
Did AEG really say this ?

they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
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It's on the AEG's proposed verdict form, so obviously they are going to bring some evidence to the trial to back up their claim that Katherine is to be blamed from her part to Michael's death, and if you ask my opinion, AEG is right to do so.
Here is the link to proposed verdict form for both sides
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129021-Proposed-Verdict-Forms-by-Katherine-Jackson-and-AEG

Hopefully they show and bring out Allgood and other times she was a front man pushing Michael to the limits so her other useless cubs could make some money.
 
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StellaJackson said:
Well it's Katherine and the children that are the plaintiffs. No one else in the family is.
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Randy Jackson ?@randyjackson8 15 Sep 10
I am doing my best to keep that promise. On this day my family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG. I am proud of my family.
 
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Bubs said:
About CM's debts, I wonder if AEG is going to bring out during the trial how much Jackson's are in debt, and to show how debts are affecting people's choices of right and wrong, especially Katherine's 6 million what she owned to Koreans. According to Jackson's, CM being in debt was indication that he would throw away his hippocratic oath, so AEG could show Katherine's debt effected to her choices too, as according to proposed verdict form from AEG, they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
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jaydom7 said:
Did AEG really say this ?

they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?
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Bubs said:
It's on the AEG's proposed verdict form, so obviously they are going to bring some evidence to the trial to back up their claim that Katherine is to be blamed from her part to Michael's death, and if you ask my opinion, AEG is right to do so.
Here is the link to proposed verdict form for both sides
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/threads/129021-Proposed-Verdict-Forms-by-Katherine-Jackson-and-AEG

Hopefully they show and bring out Allgood and other times she was a front man pushing Michael to the limits so her other useless cubs could make some money.
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I think AEG is banking on emphatic "NO! Of course not! answers so that they can build their "if his own children and mother had no clue - how were we supposed expect it" wall.
Add the "well, his own family hounded him, too, about performing" line. Ugh. My head just hurts.
 
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passy001 said:
Don't be naive. the Jacksons are the one running the show. KJ and especially the children (who don't know what's going on) are merely puppets.
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Pure speculation. You can't have any idea what goes on behind the scenes.
 
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passy001 said:
That should be interesting. In fact bring out the jacksons debts, which are estimated in the millions make CM's debts look like a joke.
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If AEG had any sense, this is what they should do. Instead of going after Michael's issues, they should be trying to work in the court that this whole thing is about the Jacksons' debts. Juries don't like to see a family trying to profit off a dead family member, that's something that even everyday people can relate to. This is the angle they need to sneak in there, what's the lawsuits really about and they would stand a chance of winning.
 
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Bubs said:
Randy Jackson ?@randyjackson8 15 Sep 10
I am doing my best to keep that promise. On this day my family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against AEG. I am proud of my family.
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The plaintiffs are Katherine and the kids. I wouldn't rely on what Randy says.
 
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If there was "an implant," then wouldn't the autopsy have discovered that? Plus, if it was delivering a steady dosage of Narcan, that would have been evident in a tox-screen? And, it wasn't mentioned. Non-issue. NEXT?
 
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Ivy said there was no info to suggest he was using one in 09. its really a non issue we all know mj had p.k issues and the implant (if true) showed he was dealing with it. of course the scum media will spin it
 
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Autumn II said:
If there was "an implant," then wouldn't the autopsy have discovered that? Plus, if it was delivering a steady dosage of Narcan, that would have been evident in a tox-screen? And, it wasn't mentioned. Non-issue. NEXT?
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It's not about that.

This nurse states that Michael had an implant in 2003 and did not tell him about it. It's expected that AEG will argue MJ withheld medical information - even from medical personal during surgery. So AEG can use it to show Michael hid his drug abuse from everyone and therefore they did not know it either.
 
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According to 'The Sun' (yes I know) it was found in his body after he passed.

ETA Thanks to Ivy the penny has dropped.
 
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ivy said:
It's not about that.

This nurse states that Michael had an implant in 2003 and did not tell him about it. It's expected that AEG will argue MJ withheld medical information - even from medical personal during surgery. So AEG can use it to show Michael hid his drug abuse from everyone and therefore they did not know it either.
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Ah, I see. The pre-trial rhetoric seems to have slipped off the point, which is, "WHO hired Murray?"
 
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LastTear said:
According to 'The Sun' (yes I know) it was found in his body after he passed.

ETA Thanks to Ivy the penny has dropped.
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wasnt in the autopsy report?
 
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^^

This trial doesn't end with who hired Murray

it goes like

- was murray hired?

- (if yes) who hired him ?

- (if AEG) was hiring negligent? -- this includes knowledge about michael's drug abuse

- (if hiring was negligent) does AEG share responsibility in Michael's death? how much?

- (if yes in responsibility) what are the damages - if any?
 
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