[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[ivy]

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Tally so far: 81 people filled out the questionnaire, 348 have been excused for hardship, 429 jurors have been screened so far.

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Attorneys are discussing calendar and currently they estimate either April 26 or 29 for opening statements in the case.

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Attorney for AEG estimated he will take half of a day, about 2h30, for his opening. Jacksons attorney estimates less time.

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Attorney for Jacksons want to discuss the final verdict form prior to questioning the jurors. Arguments will be heard earlier on Monday

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Tentatively, attorneys will have various motions on April 24 and 25. But everything is up in the air. Attys still conducting depositions

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Before court was adjourned for lunch, Jacksons' attorney and AEG's attorneys had some harsh words to each other.

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Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, asked for additional time to file response to the motions filed by defense.

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Jessica Stebbins Bina and Marvin Putnam, attorneys for AEG, argued that court should keep the current brief schedule.

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Panish disagreed saying he doesn't have several attys in the case, like the defense. Putnam said it's being difficult to work w/ plaintiffs.

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Putnam to Panish: is this your way to show civility? Panish to Putnam: you're the most uncivil lawyer I've ever seen in my years of practice

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Judge to Panish: you don't really mean that. Panish to Judge: he's set new records, I've never seen anything like this.

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At the end of the arguments, judge said she will give plaintiffs additional time to file they opposition to defense's motions.

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Jessica Bina told the judge she believes there are 9 motions pending, majority from defense, and probably 5 coming from plaintiffs.

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Judge Palazuelos indicated 2 the attorneys she feels time is quickly slipping away. Panish said he doesn't believe trial should last 90 days

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Panish said he never estimated it to be his long and feels 60 days should be sufficient. He said defense is asking for 90 court days.

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Panish said 90 court days translate into five months plus, not three months as everyone is being saying.

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Putnam said both sides have a lot of expert witnesses and that plaintiffs agreed with the 90 days estimate.

 

[ivy]

Re: [General Discussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine's lawsu

Elvis' ghost haunts Michael Jackson death trial
By Alan Duke, CNN
updated 12:01 AM EDT, Thu April 11, 2013
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Jackson family lawyers invoke Elvis's drug use to make a point in death case
Elvis Presley's doctor was acquitted on charges of over-prescribing drugs
Lisa Marie Presley is on the Jacksons' witness list
"I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did," Jackson told Elvis's daughter

Los Angeles (CNN) -- Tour manager Paul Gongaware warned Michael Jackson's 1993 tour doctor, "Don't be a Dr. Nick" -- a reference to Elvis Presley's last physician -- according to a deposition for the upcoming wrongful death trial.

"Dr. Nick was the doctor whose overprescription of drugs to Elvis had led to Elvis' death," according to a court filing by lawyers for the Jackson family.

Presley collapsed in the bathroom of his Memphis, Tennessee, mansion -- Graceland -- on August 16, 1977, at the age of 42. While his death was ruled the result of an irregular heartbeat, the autopsy report was sealed amid accusations that abuse of prescription drugs caused the problem.

"Dr. Nick" -- Dr. George Nichopoulos -- said later he was treating Presley for insomnia. He was charged with over-prescribing drugs to Presley, but he was acquitted. He later lost his medical license in another case.

Presley's death came days before he was to begin a new tour organized by the concert promoter Concerts West.

Jackson died on June 25, 2009, at the age of 50. The coroner ruled his death was caused by a fatal combination of sedatives and the surgical anesthetic propofol.

His personal physician -- Dr. Conrad Murray -- told investigators he gave Jackson nightly infusions of propofol to treat his insomnia.

He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, sentenced to four years in prison and stripped of his medical license.

Jackson's death came two weeks before his "This Is It" comeback concerts, organized by AEG Live, were to have debuted in London.

AEG got into the concert promotion business when it purchased Concerts West, a young company that had taken the name of Elvis' last promoter.

Jackson's mother and three children are suing AEG Live, claiming the concert promoter is liable for the singer's death because it hired, retained or supervised Dr. Murray.

Elvis' name could loom in the wrongful death trial which is starting this month in a Los Angeles courtroom, especially if his daughter takes the stand. Lisa Marie Presley, who was married to Jackson from May 1994 until January 1996, is on the witness list.
"I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did," Jackson told his wife during their short marriage, according to a blog Presley published a day after Jackson's death.

The Jackson lawyers used the Elvis and "Dr. Nick" reference to argue that "AEG knew Jackson had suffered chronic substance abuse and drug dependency problems for many years." Gongaware, now AEG Live's co-CEO, managed Jackson's "Dangerous" and "HIStory" tour between 1993 and 1997.

"Shortly after he joined the 'Dangerous' tour in 1993, Dr. Finkelstein was asked to treat Jackson for pain," the Jackson filing said, referring to Dr. Stuart Finkelstein, a doctor on the 1993 tour. "Having observed signs of opiate addiction in Jackson, Dr. Finkelstein nonetheless administered Demerol by injection, and administered morphine intravenously in Jackson's Bangkok hotel room for 24 hours."

After that, Finkelstein told Gongaware "he thought Jackson had an opiate dependency problem," the filing said.

"For three and a half months, the 'Dangerous' tour continued," it said. "Another doctor attended Jackson regularly, on one occasion breaking into Dr. Finkelstein's bag to get opiates to administer to Jackson. Gongaware was there the whole time, in charge of tour logistics, aware of the various physicians present, and he discussed with Dr. Finkelstein Jackson's opiate problem."

When Gongaware warned Dr. Finkelstein, who the brief described as his "close friend," not to become Jackson's "Dr. Nick," he was "warning me, you know, don't get all infatuated where you start administering meds to a rock star and have the rock star overdose and die on you," Dr. Finkelstein testified.

"Though those tours were hugely successful, Jackson's tour doctors, one of whom Gongaware had hired, were administering pain killers to Jackson, and Gongaware thus was familiar with Jackson's substance abuse problems," the Jackson brief said.

AEG lawyer Marvin Putman told CNN, however, there "were no indicators or warning signs of a problem" with Dr. Murray.

Murray was not Gongaware's first choice to be Jackson's tour doctor in 2009, according to the filing. He first called Finkelstein, who advertises himself now as an addiction specialist, the document said.

While Murray has said he would invoke his Fifth Amendment rights to avoid testifying as his criminal appeal is pending, Dr. Finkelstein is expected to take the stand.

AEG's lawyers will use Jackson's drug use history in their defense, arguing that it showed Jackson was responsible for his own death.

"Mr. Jackson is a person who was known to doctor shop," AEG's attorney Marvin Putnam said. "He was known to be someone who would tell one doctor one thing and another doctor something else."

Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial, which ended in his acquittal, is relevant because it "resulted in an incredible increase in his drug intake," Putnam said.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...lection-Thread-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG/page3

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

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Having a dead body on the cover is supposed to sell more tabloids? If that's the case, then I say the people that would buy it are just as sick in the head as the rags themselves.

 

[bluetopez]

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MJ did have dependency issues here and there but to me that is different from someone who is a addict. The way some make it sound is like he was a hardcore dope head. And that's what I don't like. Because his Autopsy tells me otherwise! But, I believe AEG is gonna ignore that and go the Addict route and so will the Jacksons and that pisses me off. This case is gonna get so dirty on both sides. LORD! :no: And like I said The Jacksons do got a shot here IMO but, still feel so wrong because they leeched off MJ for so many yrs and caused his stress even more, and who the hell wanna reward that? I certainly wouldn't but, the other side ain't lookin good either! No one IMO truly really gave a shit until it was to late and so here we are. I wish I can fast forward and see this thing done and over with already. Just give me the verdict and let MJ R.I.P! And damn the National Enquirer they are truly disgusting, having MJ autopsy pic as their background on Twitter. I spammed their asses, hopefully that helps a lil?! The worse part is I'm sure it was a Jackson who gave them that dumb story! So SAD...poor MJ.

 

[qbee]

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So both Jacksons and AEG are going to say Michael's was an incompetent drug addict The Jacksons saying AEG should have known he was still abusing drugs and AEG saying he is responsible for his own actions in that regard

But what I don't get is there was no evidence to show he was still abusing prescription drugs other than using propofol to sleep. Thats what the conclusion the coroner's autopsy report and the Murray Trial came to.. So who is going to show proof he was abusing other drugs at that time. Or is it just the propofol they will focus on to say he was a addict. None of this is bringing any justice for Michael. There can be no celebration when this case comes to a conclusion no matter who wins. Michael will be still the victim and portrayed in a bad light by his family, AEG and the media.

Neither side was directly responsible for his death. IMO. They both failed him. but nothing will be proved here no matter who wins because the facts show both sides were not looking out for Michael's best interest. One is just as bad as the other. family or not. They also failed him and drove him to isolate himself from them, because they always had their hand out and wanted something. (even poor dr Murray was aware of that fact) Joe was pursuing MJ at that time and he certainly wasn't trying to get to MJ to protect him. It's well know Joe was pressuring Michael for a Jackson family concert deal with him and Leonard Rowe and everyone who has kept up with what was happening knows that.

But I also hold the opinion that Michael was a grown man and he made his own decisions. He wasn't the drug addicted incompetent person taken advantage of by AEG, that his family is trying to portray him as. I hate that. This whole trial is distorting and tarnishing Michael's true image and legacy. But hey it's all $$$$$$$$ worth it.. isn't it.

 

[ivy]

Jackson-AEG: Trial hasn't started, but lawyers are already fighting

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Michael Jackson in "This Is It." (Kevin Mazur / May 28, 2009)
By Corina Knoll
April 10, 2013, 3:44 p.m.
The legal showdown between Michael Jackson’s family and AEG has yet to begin, but sparks are already flying between attorneys.

For more than a week, jurors have been brought into Superior Court Judge Yvette M. Palazuelos’ courtroom in groups of 35 and asked whether they had the ability to serve on a trial that is estimated to take as long as four months.

On Wednesday, after Palazuelos mentioned the court could schedule a couple days off to accommodate jurors during the trial, attorney Brian Panish objected to prolonging proceedings in any way.

“I don’t have 1,000-plus lawyers in my law firm and I don’t have 20 lawyers working on this case,” said Panish, who represents Jackson’s mother, Katherine, and the pop star's three children.

The four filed a wrongful death lawsuit alleging that AEG negligently hired and supervised Dr. Conrad Murray, who gave the singer a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol. The family alleges that the entertainment firm pushed the singer to go forward with a comeback tour even though he was physically incapable of handling it.

AEG, an entertainment giant and a major player in Los Angeles, alleges that Jackson was an eccentric who shopped for doctors and demanded that Murray be brought on board for the tour.

Jackson died two weeks before a planned series of comeback concerts promoted by AEG Live. The tour was to open in London.

Panish accused AEG’s attorneys of dragging the case out and filing unnecessary motions that forced him to seek additional time to write responses.

Palazuelos said she believed the trial could be whittled down to 60 days if both sides cut down their lengthy witness lists, which total more than 200 names, including Prince, Diana Ross, Spike Lee and Lisa Marie Presley.

At one point, the discussion became heated with attorneys speaking over one another. Panish said he had made efforts to be civil but that the defense was wasting court resources by turning everything into “World War III.”

“Is that part of your civility?” AEG’s attorney Marvin Putnam asked.

“Excuse me?” replied Panish, quickly adding, “You’re the most uncivil lawyer I’ve ever practiced against.”

“Are we really going to do this, your honor?” Putnam asked Palazuelos.

“C’mon,” said Panish. “Bring it on.”

A pool of potential jurors who have demonstrated that serving on the trial would not cause them hardship is scheduled to be questioned starting Monday.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-ln-la-jackson-aeg-20130410,0,5459012.story

 

[Tygger]

The article above and the twitter timeline conflict each other on why the plaintiffs' lawyer requested more time.

On Wednesday, after Palazuelos mentioned the court could schedule a couple days off to accommodate jurors during the trial, attorney Brian Panish objected to prolonging proceedings in any way.

“I don’t have 1,000-plus lawyers in my law firm and I don’t have 20 lawyers working on this case,” said Panish, who represents Jackson’s mother, Katherine, and the pop star's three children.

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Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, asked for additional time to file response to the motions filed by defense.
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Jessica Stebbins Bina and Marvin Putnam, attorneys for AEG, argued that court should keep the current brief schedule.
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Panish disagreed saying he doesn't have several attys in the case, like the defense. Putnam said it's being difficult to work w/ plaintiffs.
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At the end of the arguments, judge said she will give plaintiffs additional time to file they opposition to defense's motions.
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Jessica Bina told the judge she believes there are 9 motions pending, majority from defense, and probably 5 coming from plaintiffs.

 

[qbee]

Yes you are right that article misstated

On Wednesday, after Palazuelos mentioned the court could schedule a couple days off to accommodate jurors during the trial, attorney Brian Panish objected to prolonging proceedings in any way.

This is addressing the actual trial length they don't want to give jurors days off to prolong

“I don’t have 1,000-plus lawyers in my law firm and I don’t have 20 lawyers working on this case,” said Panish, who represents Jackson’s mother, Katherine, and the pop star's three children.

This part was addressing more time to file briefs before the trial starts.

So yes they misrepresented in that article by making it seem it was a reply to the above issue

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Brian Panish, attorney for the Jacksons, asked for additional time to file response to the motions filed by defense.
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Jessica Stebbins Bina and Marvin Putnam, attorneys for AEG, argued that court should keep the current brief schedule.
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Panish disagreed saying he doesn't have several attys in the case, like the defense. Putnam said it's being difficult to work w/ plaintiffs.
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At the end of the arguments, judge said she will give plaintiffs additional time to file they opposition to defense's motions.
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Jessica Bina told the judge she believes there are 9 motions pending, majority from defense, and probably 5 coming from plaintiffs.

This is correct and discussing more more time to file the briefs and what that comment was actually addressing

 

[shelly_webster]

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There isn't much we can do because the photo is in the public domain. I very much doubt they have other autopsy photo's.though. It Could be from the infamous reinactment autopsy documentary that was not MJ. I also want to say those pics did need to be shown during the trial for it to hit home HARD to the jury what happened to Michael at the hands of Murray. Once media was allowed the trial could not be censored. We were to see as is .. reality.

I think it's disgusting for any publication to plaster that Pic on the cover like that, it' so sad. and I dont think its just the MJ community that would find it offensive. The whole rag mag (National Enquirer is offensive) as well at the SUN, Daily Mail and others. But that's what $ells and that the bottom line ..As long as we click on the sites and people purchase, they have a reason $$$$ to continue.

The US is in need of a very serious reform of the press. It has nothing to do with freedom of the press. I doubt it would be legal here, and freedom of the press is respected. This is disgusting.

 

[Justthefacts]

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He was a chronic addict but his mother stated that whenever she saw him he was fine. And you have Jermaine saying Michael had an issue in 2001 but got himself together. Such statements will make for a long day in court for some. And don't blame AEG for something his family started

 

[Vici]

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But yet again, even if Congoaware knew MJ had a problem back in the 90s, again what does that have to do with Propofol?

AEGs lawyers needs to remind the jury constantly what the claim is about now " Did AEG Live hire Dr. Murray to treat MJ or not". If the jury says NO then the other claims would also be invalid (training/supervising).

This kinda brings back to memories of the trial in 2005 when T-Mez had to remind the jury that if they found MJ 'not guilty' of providing alcohol beverages to the accuser then all the other claims would also be 'not guilty' since they were all connected.

 

[Justthefacts]

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A chronic problem with pain killers so where were the pain killers when he died?

 

[8701girl]

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I read bout what the national enquirer did and i wrote to him saying how disgusted i was with them and this is what they said

" GO UP AND GET A CONVICTION FOR CONRAD MURRAY" .......ummm didnt those morons watch tv or read their own craphole paper...HE DID GET CONVICTED! LOL

 

[Bubs]

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All thank you's should be directed to source of this whole mess - Katherine and her useless cubs.

The latest headlines that we should thank for persons mentioned above:
Michael Jackson 'had a secret implant to prevent him getting ...
Daily Mail
Michael Jackson had a secret medical implant to help him battle addiction to ... Jackson had inserted before a surgical procedure Fournier was helping with.' ...
Michael Jackson had anti-drug implant: Report
Indian Express
Michael Jackson had 'secret anti-drug' implant, says doctor
Evening Standard
Michael Jackson had 'secret anti-drug implant' to curb pleasure
Ninemsn

We ain't seen nothing yet, it is only going to get worse, thank you Jackson family and f..k you :angry:

 

[Big Apple2]

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"Though those tours were hugely successful, Jackson's tour doctors, one of whom Gongaware had hired, were administering pain killers to Jackson, and Gongaware thus was familiar with Jackson's substance abuse problems," the Jackson brief said.

The fact that "those tours were HUGELY successful," sort of makes this conversation and Duke's article moot, in my opinion.

And if you notice, Duke is STILL "trying" to muddy that waters when he states that: "Murray was not Gongware's first choice to be Jackson's tour doctor in 2009." The fact of the matter still remains that it was Michael who brought Murray into the mix, not the other way around. No matter how many times they repeat that theory will not change the fact that Michael already had a relationship with Murray before AEG came into the picture.

 

[8701girl]

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All thank you's should be directed to source of this whole mess - Katherine and her useless cubs.

The latest headlines that we should thank for persons mentioned above:
Michael Jackson 'had a secret implant to prevent him getting ...
Daily Mail
Michael Jackson had a secret medical implant to help him battle addiction to ... Jackson had inserted before a surgical procedure Fournier was helping with.' ...
Michael Jackson had anti-drug implant: Report
Indian Express
Michael Jackson had 'secret anti-drug' implant, says doctor
Evening Standard
Michael Jackson had 'secret anti-drug implant' to curb pleasure
Ninemsn

We ain't seen nothing yet, it is only going to get worse, thank you Jackson family and f..k you :angry:

I just read bout that from another mj forum and it just makes me want to :banghead:

It like the family are wanting to tarnish michaels legacy and he is their family! i dont understand why on earth they would want to do that. Are they really angry at michael cuz he made money from hard work ? if that is the reason then that is so childish

 

[athina_livadi]

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I will never ever call these creatures family again!
They aren't worth to be called "family" instead of that they can just burn in hell as far as I'm concerned!!!

 

[Bubs]

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They won't stop until they have run MJ's legacy to the ground and tarnished his image for good.

The point for them is that if they win this case, they don't need any money from MJ's estate so they don't have to care about MJ's legacy or his image. If they lose, that is another issue then, they'll be on their knees begging the executors to pay their child supports etc.

 

[gerryevans]

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And if you notice, Duke is STILL "trying" to muddy that waters when he states that: "Murray was not Gongware's first choice to be Jackson's tour doctor in 2009." The fact of the matter still remains that it was Michael who brought Murray into the mix, not the other way around. No matter how many times they repeat that theory will not change the fact that Michael already had a relationship with Murray before AEG came into the picture.

Yeah, Alan is really working an angle here.

But I must say, Putnam's totally BASELESS claim that MJ had an incredible increase in drug intake after the trial is working a last nerve. As much as I don't want the Jacksons to get any money out of this suit, AEG is making it easier to not care if they do.

Elvis' ghost haunts Michael Jackson death...
By Alan Duke, CNN
updated 12:01 AM EDT, Thu April 11, 2013
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Jackson's 2005 child molestation trial, which ended in his acquittal, is relevant because it "resulted in an incredible increase in his drug intake," Putnam said.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...lection-Thread-Katherine-Jackson-vs-AEG/page3

 

[sophiemj]

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MJHellas.gr ?@MJHellas 3s #MJFAM Let's get organised as we did on Michael Forever Tribute and Discovery Docu!

MJHellas.gr ?@MJHellas 2h #MJFAM Please all join together to make an on line petition so no autopsy MJ PHOTO OR private health doc is allowed to bereleased on press!

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Why would gongaware hire mjs drs. hes not his manager and only got involved during dangerous later on in the tour due to money issues. the jacksons are so obsessed with twisting things. Blame anyone aslong as they are connected to AEG.

jacksons are getting revenge on mj for being left nothing. no doubt all of this is mjs fault. if only he had left them something or gone on tour then they wouldnt have to do it. no doubt thats there defence for what they are doing to him. my only hope is it makes the kids get away quicker. hopefult paris spending time with debbie is an example of that

never thought id hate them more than sneddon chandlers etc. but imo the family are even sicker for ctreating all this

 

[athina_livadi]

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We should all block any kind of effort from the media to tarnish Michael once more. If we join forces we will not allow them to take advantage of him in the most unethical way just to sell papers or make ratings. Thank you Sophie for taking the initiative! To all of us Michael is FAMILY and not a cash machine!!!

 

[Bubs]

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What can we do?
Can we collect some money among us and put an advert on front page of LA Times or NY times, that reads Jackson's and AEG should stop abusing Michael in death?

 

[Justthefacts]

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Why would gongaware hire mjs drs. hes not his manager and only got involved during dangerous later on in the tour due to money issues. the jacksons are so obsessed with twisting things. Blame anyone aslong as they are connected to AEG.

jacksons are getting revenge on mj for being left nothing. no doubt all of this is mjs fault. if only he had left them something or gone on tour then they wouldnt have to do it. no doubt thats there defence for what they are doing to him. my only hope is it makes the kids get away quicker. hopefult paris spending time with debbie is an example of that

never thought id hate them more than sneddon chandlers etc. but imo the family are even sicker for ctreating all this

I thought the Dangerous tour promoters were the ones who hired the doctors? And remember Michaelhad surgery on his scalp in 93 and was taken meds to deal with the pain. He was not taken meds just because I meandamn they act like he was not human.

 

[Big Apple2]

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Why would gongaware hire mjs drs. hes not his manager and only got involved during dangerous later on in the tour due to money issues. the jacksons are so obsessed with twisting things. Blame anyone aslong as they are connected to AEG.

Just so I'm clear, can somebody please post exactly when the Dangerous and History tours took place.

I'm just trying to put all of those tour dates in context. Thanks!

 

[LastTear]

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^^^ Dangerous June 1992-1993 and History Sept 1996 - Oct 1997

 

[Bubs]

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I was reading Ivy's tweets and something interesting was mentioned.
Its curious that Jackson's are pushing that MJ was drug addict, but that is going work against them when they start talking about how much money MJ would have made had he lived - re amount of settlement Katherine & Co are looking from AEG.
How long can you expect a full blown drug addict (not my words, family is driving force for that) to live and make money? The way they carrying on saying that MJ was addict for years, they cannot say in the same time that he would have lived to 80 years old and do tours rest of his life.

Then again, that is the reason AEG push the drug addict theory as they can claim that MJ wouldn't have lived long to earn astronomical amount that Jacksons are claiming him to earn rest of his life.

 

[ivy]

Jacksons have filed Murray's debts with the court. This is the best I can do to summarize them

1. Citicorp Vendor Finance v. Global Cardiovascular Associates – March 2008
$223,210.46 + interest per NRS 17.130 percent
$5,000 attorney fees
$210 costs

2. Popular Leasing v. Acres Home Heart – September 2008

$135,302.42 + 9% interest per annum
Popular leasing gets the possession of the Equipment

3. Julie Brown v. Conrad Murray – December 2008

Child support
$3,678 + 10% interest per annum

$9,622.93 + 10% interest per annum – for legal fees as of October 2007

4. Capital One Bank v. Conrad Murray – September 2009

$960.32 principal amount
$162.94 accrued interest
$240.00 attorney fees
$110 Costs
+28.10 % interest per annum

5. HICA Education Loan v. Conrad Murray – November 2008

$58,395.69
$11,623.43 interest
$1,017.33 costs
$296 attorney fees

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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I thought the Dangerous tour promoters were the ones who hired the doctors? And remember Michaelhad surgery on his scalp in 93 and was taken meds to deal with the pain. He was not taken meds just because I meandamn they act like he was not human.

I would say it was the chandler allegations were the ones that pushed mj into drugs on the dangerous 2nd leg. There is not one hint of anything drug wise with mj until those allegations even after that pepsi burn, despite what some revisionist historians like to suggest. MJ was facing total career and personal destruction when those allegations hit the global media and noone alive could survive that type of pressure without succumbing to something.

But I must say, Putnam's totally BASELESS claim that MJ had an incredible increase in drug intake after the trial is working a last nerve. As much as I don't want the Jacksons to get any money out of this suit, AEG is making it easier to not care if they do.

Yes, this is really bugging me. I can understand if aeg in their motion say they want to introduce the molestation allegations to explain mj's drug use, but they're not, they're saying the molestations charges - he was never charged in 93 so we're talking the arvizo case, so 03 onwards. I'm only really aware of the 93 drug rehab and his fairly obvious (to me at least) problems in 01-03, but after the trial i thought mj made a stupendous effort to get off any drugs - there aren't any reports except those jackson fed articles from friedman i think. I would be absolutely mad if this period of his life is tarnished by drug stories too as it will impact on his reputation as a single father to ppb as that was what he was concentrating on in those last years.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [General Discussion] AEG files their summary judgment motion asking to dismiss Katherine's lawsu

About CM's debts, I wonder if AEG is going to bring out during the trial how much Jackson's are in debt, and to show how debts are affecting people's choices of right and wrong, especially Katherine's 6 million what she owned to Koreans. According to Jackson's, CM being in debt was indication that he would throw away his hippocratic oath, so AEG could show Katherine's debt effected to her choices too, as according to proposed verdict form from AEG, they indicate that Katherine is guilty too, re question no: 15. Was Katherine Jackson's negligence or wrongful conduct a substantial factor in causing Michael Jackson's death?