[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

[serendipity]

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Glad the judge denied the cameras request. For MJ and his kids' sake.

 

[Petrarose]

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I know that I know diddly squat about employment law but I would be surprised if there was a huge payout if the jury only find that AEG employed Murray, especially given that Michael knew Murray prior to AEG and does appear to be Michaels choice.

You have a point there. Maybe once all the evidence comes in, there will be more favorable evidence for the AEG case. Right now we are responding on what we already heard & read. I would really like to know what directions the judge will give the jury before deliberations. The evidence plus the directions, to me, are the determining factor about who will win this case.

 

[la_cienega]

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Cameras or not makes no difference to what the public will hear. it only makes a diff to us. the public get their news in soundbites and short reports. they will know what the media want them to know as the public have no intrest watching 8 hrs a day of live footage. so in the scheme of things it makes no difference at all except for those who care enough to watch non stop footage. and tbh were cnn gonba show non stop streaming or just pick and choose clips

I was googling for something else the other day and stumbled across all these articles reporting that in the Murray trial, the defense's addiction expert said MJ was "probably" addicted to demerol.

No report about the fact that when he was cross examined with the real data about how much demerol was reported to have been used by Klein he admitted he would "probably not" say MJ was addicted to demerol.

So I agree, unfortunately.

Though I do wonder if it could help with some things. I remember when the fans and the live tweeting reporters would be watching together... and when Walgren would really nail the defense's witnesses it was really interesting to see how the journalist's who interacted with us would really enjoy it, they seemed to understand completely how Walgren was smashing their case to smithereens and they were on "our" side about it. I wondered if we had not been able to watch together, would it have changed how they reported about it? Would they have felt a need to try and stick with the more sensationalized aspects? But because we were right there with them, I felt like there was a difference in the tone they used, in a good way.

 

[ivy]

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RE: LunaJo video I'm think Phillips is saying "the guy is willing to leave his practice for a very large sum of money so we WILL hire him"

 

[Petrarose]

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Lacienega you see that is the thing about witnesses including experts, they tend to forget they would be cross-examined by what they say & trust the media to only give one side of the case as usual. However, that is the way the media works now. I remember TMez said Michael was winning the case during the trial. However, due to the way the media reported, people did not know that; so it was a shock when he was found not guilty.

 

[bluetopez]

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RE: LunaJo video I'm think Phillips is saying "the guy is willing to leave his practice for a very large sum of money so we WILL hire him"

I played it a couple of times when I saw the vid and I keep hearing "We would hire him" or "We were hiring." But, not what LunaJo quoted... So it isn't really clear IMO?!

And I don't hear "Will" either?! =/

 

[ivy]

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I played it a couple of times when I saw the vid and I keep hearing "We would hire him" or "We were hiring." But, not what LunaJo quoted... So it isn't really clear IMO?!

And I don't here "Will" either?! =/

Could be "would" and not "will" - but I'm sure he's not saying "we hired him"

 

[marebear]

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For the kids sake, I didn't want it televised. I don't want to see them on tv on the stand if that happens. It's bad enough they might have to testify.

The media will report what they want. Look at Michael's autopsy. Written proof of Michael's health at the time of his death, his vitiligo and it all gets ignored and people still lie about him.

 

[jamba]

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I played it a couple of times when I saw the vid and I keep hearing "We would hire him" or "We were hiring." But, not what LunaJo quoted... So it isn't really clear IMO?!

And I don't here "Will" either?! =/

I hear "we would hire him." He says earlier in the tape, a bit before that sentence, that MJ INSISTED that he wanted Murray as his personal doctor 24/7.

 

[Autumn II]

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THIS is why the lawsuit if moving forward, because of the ambiguity of "who hired Murray." Clearly, Michael wanted him. But also, AEG HIRED him. No doubt. And also the ambiguity of "who was paying him." AEG clearly intended to, and Michael would pay them back. And also, clearly, NOBODY did an adequate background check on Murray. If they had? This would have been discovered:

1. Murray had been arrested (but not convicted) of spousal abuse. (anger-management problems?)
2. Murray's medical practice was sketchy, i.e. his office staff were volunteers (he was not paying them, as we know from the trial.)
3. Murray was having significant financial problems (home foreclosure)
4. Murray was not paying child-support.
5. Yes, there WAS a "complaint"against him for patient abandonment, i.e. the patient who could not reach him after cardiac surgery.

So, yes, K.J. does have a case (or her lawyers would not have accepted it).

This will ultimately settle out, in court. The outcome is not certain, but it is a good thing that it will not be televised. . .

 

[Bubs]

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A partial deposition of an expert for KJ mentions Branca sent an email to Phillips with concerns and suggestions abt MJ but was shot down

Does siblings, (especially Latoya-I hate Branca Post-It note) and siblings, who signed the letter to the estate lawyers accusing high-jacking the estate about that email? If I remember correctly, some siblings claimed that Branca wasn't hired by MJ, so what business Branca has to send emails to AEG and express his concern

Branca doesn't sound like killer to me as some have accused him to be.


From LaToya's mouth:
You think Michael was murdered.
Yes, I do. I believe that from the bottom of my heart. The people that he told me were going to murder him are behind his murder. They know that. They know who they are. They're controlling his estate now.

(Two people control Michael's estate, executors John Branca and John McClain.)

 

[Billie Jean 78]

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From LaToya's mouth:
You think Michael was murdered.
Yes, I do. I believe that from the bottom of my heart. The people that he told me were going to murder him are behind his murder. They know that. They know who they are. They're controlling his estate now.

(Two people control Michael's estate, executors John Branca and John McClain.)

Did she really say it this directly (accusing someone by name of murder!)? Because if she did, how come noone is after her for saying it?

 

[shelly_webster]

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Jason Pfeiffer's bullshit again.

 

[Bubs]

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Did she really say it this directly (accusing someone by name of murder!)? Because if she did, how come noone is after her for saying it?

That snippet was from her interview: http://www.popeater.com/2011/06/29/la-toya-jackson-michael-was-murdered-starting-over/

The thing with Latoya is that she loves to accuse everyone else for what she says, like Jack G made her to accuse her own brother, producers of Celebrity apprentice made her to accuse Omarosa for killing her fiancee. She always finds way to put to blame on someone else, so I would have expected her to say if Branca had sued her little green men made her to say that :doh:

I really wish someone will sue her for slander or something else, that should teach her to keep her mouth shut until she has "real" proof to back up her "stories".

Jason Pfeiffer's bullshit again.

What do you mean? What is JP's bullshit or is he giving interviews again?

Never mind, I see he gave an interview to Sun and he is repeating same old story.


Funnily the link I posted for Latoya's interview, she said the same as teletubby Jason:
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You say the English tour was fishy.
First of all he told me he never would do a tour again because he said they would assassinate him if he was on stage.
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[shelly_webster]

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That snippet was from her interview: http://www.popeater.com/2011/06/29/la-toya-jackson-michael-was-murdered-starting-over/

The thing with Latoya is that she loves to accuse everyone else for what she says, like Jack G made her to accuse her own brother, producers of Celebrity apprentice made her to accuse Omarosa for killing her fiancee. She always finds way to put to blame on someone else, so I would have expected her to say if Branca had sued her little green men made her to say that :doh:

I really wish someone will sue her for slander or something else, that should teach her to keep her mouth shut until she has "real" proof to back up her "stories".





What do you mean? What is JP's bullshit or is he giving interviews again?

Yes, I made a mystake but Lastear posted that

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...why-he-picked-UK-not-US?p=3802342#post3802342

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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imo it doesnt matter if the jury think AEG hired murray unless they also think AEG acted negligently in doing so. they cant award damages for one and not the other

I know that I know diddly squat about employment law but I would be surprised if there was a huge payout if the jury only find that AEG employed Murray, especially given that Michael knew Murray prior to AEG and does appear to be Michaels choice.

 

[ivy]

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William WAGENER 2 days ago

The Snake of Santa Barbara was definitely NOT in Courtroom 222. But...
I did see a dead ringer for an older looking tall, thin man who reminded me
of Sneddon, walked like the snake sneddon. I was stunned, to see him. Was it him, I can not be sure, I was looking for someone else at that moment.

 

[Petrarose]

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^^Is Wagener on the family side in this case?

 

[ivy]

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Tidbits

 

[Annita]

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From what deposition is that?

Well that`s I don`t know... Who is I ?

It`s my understanding..... Who is my?

 

[ivy]

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An expert for Katherine Jackson that AEG is trying to exclude as a witness

 

[Aquarius]

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Cameras or not makes no difference to what the public will hear. it only makes a diff to us. the public get their news in soundbites and short reports. they will know what the media want them to know as the public have no intrest watching 8 hrs a day of live footage. so in the scheme of things it makes no difference at all except for those who care enough to watch non stop footage. and tbh were cnn gonba show non stop streaming or just pick and choose clips

You know, you have a point. We don't know if CNN will broadcast the full trial and if that's the case the publc will hear what the reporters want them to hear. But my point about a full broadcast is because without the public hearing the witnesses, the reporters will escandalized everything. When you say it only makes a diff to us, you're right but I also believe that it could make a difference to others who might get some interest in the trial & that might lead them to start learning about Michael. And you never know with so many people who are unemployed in the US they might want to watch something different to the usual program.

This is bad for Michael but we should hope that from this bad some good comes to benefit Michael. He doesn't deserve more abuse from the media and remember there are millions of people who trust the media & there are other millions that don't. Let's hope for the best.

 

[Petrarose]

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Tidbits

Now I wonder what the family wanted to show by using that witness. His "understanding" obviously comes from what people told him or from gossip. He is one of those typical experts who say anything to help the side who pays them.

 

[mo_rizwan]

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How I wish a reporter like Aphrodite is in the audience and report just what's being said in court.

I think Roger Friedman will also be good at that. No matter how Anti-Michael he was after the 2005 trial, during that trial he only posted on factual information (and his opinion that Michael will win)

 

[Aquarius]

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^^Don't know much about Friedman but if he's a good reporter it will help to have him there.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Thats Because during 05 cascios lawyer joe (italian name) was rogers source. hes ad good ad the person whos giving him info. he doesnt care one way or the other and most of the time is a nasty vile pathetic excuse for a human whos spent years hating on mj on his kids

I think Roger Friedman will also be good at
that. No matter how Anti-Michael he was after the 2005 trial, during that trial he only posted on factual information (and his opinion that Michael will win)

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Randy Phillips ADMITS AEG hired Conrad Murray!

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 25m
BREAKING NEWS: Judge Yvette Palazuelos DENIED our request for cameras in the courtroom. Trial will NOT be televised.

Although I was on the fence as far as this particular decision goes. Sometimes I was for it. Sometimes I was NOT for it.

But I must admit, I'm SOOOOOO happy Alan Duke will not have the opportunity to "gloat" as if a positive outcome would have been his own personal doing. In my opinion, he was the one pushing for cameras in the courtroom. I'm sure he thought a positive decision would have been a good outcome for HIM, then CNN, then the Jackson family - in that order. Glad they were DENIED!

 

[max000]

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For the most part, the public has moved on concerning MJ. Ratings-straved CNN is hyping this trial to a yawning audience.

Wise decision not to televise this trial. So there Anderson Cooper, Don lemon, CNN, all hype and no ratings.!!!

 

[Big Apple2]

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For the most part, the public has moved on concerning MJ. Ratings-straved CNN is hyping this trial to a yawning audience.

Very true that CNN is ratings-starved. Even with a new person at the helm, CNN is barely hanging on.

As per "tvbythenumbers," both Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan's Tuesday night offerings didn't make any sort of impact, ratings wise. Seems like the only people that were paying attention were some of us, but not many of us, that's for sure.

P.S. "Yawning audience." I like that.

 

[max000]

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Very true that CNN is ratings-starved. Even with a new person at the helm, CNN is barely hanging on.

As per "tvbythenumbers," both Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan's Tuesday night offerings didn't make any sort of impact, ratings wise. Seems like the only people that were paying attention were some of us, but not many of us, that's for sure.

P.S. "Yawning audience." I like that.

CNN beyond terrible. In cable news Fox, and upstart MSNBC beating CNN in prime time. Every six months CNN changes management without success. Last week the daily show John Stewart, skewered CNN, and current boss Jeff Sucker.