[ Pretrial Discussion Closed ] AEG files summary judgment motion to dismiss Katherine's lawsuit

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I just want to express my fear that in case KJ wins a larger than life sum of money it might happen that Cubs will be getting more money than Michael earned in his entire life and they would be getting it by doing nothing but having a brother that died. Michael had to work his *** off for 40 years!!! The only damages should be paid to PPB, anything else will be a disgrace!!!

and that would some up the injustice of mjs life and how this world is fecked up


last tear. i believe its both. firsyly the jury have to decide aeh hired murray then if they did they have to decide whether they were negligent in doing so
 
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A partial deposition of an expert for KJ mentions Branca sent an email to Phillips with concerns and suggestions abt MJ but was shot down
 
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I just knew when I wrote that that I was going to get a comment on the "his music was considered over and done" expression. Of course, I don't think that at all, but my point is that sales declined--not that his music was REALLY over and done (not at all), but that the allegations, the controversy, people still thinking he was guilty, etc, tarnished his sales and his reputation. Music critics and journalists regularly bashed him. I think whatever opinion you have this is indisputable.

IMO AEG will present statistics re declining sales during his last years. Do you think they won't?

I think you're probably right about AEG presenting such statistics, but if he have to be honest all artists sales have declined in resent years for various reasons like the music industry slowly dying, the Internet and the fact that older artists are past their peak. If you look at the sales of his peers like Madonna, Janet, Whitney, Mariah etc. all their sales have declined, yet if you compare their catalog sales MJ still managed to outsell them every year.

I do think the allegations hurt his reputation, but mostly as a person, not so much as an artist. But I'm sure AEG will present those statistics anyway, they have to defend themselves.
 
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I really love the way the bodyguard answered the question of what kind of dad Michael was. The people who saw know he was a great dad and people are asking questions to make Michael look weird but they lose because the truth wins out. AEG better be careful in how they put down Michael (you know they will). They can look at sales of albums, statistics and so on but they can't deny how well the concerts sold out the way they did. Randy Phillips testified in the Murray trial he never saw anything like that. The allegations hurt Michael but not enough where nobody wanted to see or hear him perform again. The people did and this after everything he had been through.
 
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^ oh good God thank you. As much as it can be helpfull for us so we wont have to speculate as much, i think this is the best thing theyve come up with. Enough with the information for all to see.
 
Re: Randy Phillips ADMITS AEG hired Conrad Murray!

...rp - "so, WE hired him" (cm)

:yes: It doesn't get any clearer than that


If it was that clear, there wouldn't be a trial that's about to last for three months.
 
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Mr. Garcia sounds a bit ill-informed, in my opinion.

Hiring a bodyguard is one thing, and hiring a doctor is something completely different, especially if that doctor will also be treating your children.

That being said, Mr. Garcia must not know that Michael and Murray had a doctor/patient relationship before AEG came into the picture and it was Michael, himself, who said they should offer Murray$150,000.00 per month.

It's not like AEG randomly plucked Murray from a street corner and said "Here Michael, this will now be your doctor."

But isn't that the problem with these documentaries/interviews? They pluck these people who were connected to Michael in any capacity & ask them questions as though these people know about Michael's business. Then the people answer questions as though they really know what they are talking about. They answer questions about Michael when his door is closed to them, as though they have radar eyes. They answer financial questions. You name it they are experts in any Michael topic.

Oh I see the judge denied cameras for the 3 (?) time. Thank God!! At least I have something to be thankful for. Now let's hope this shakedown does not take 90 days.
 
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If it was that clear, there wouldn't be a trial that's about to last for three months.

Contrary to popular belief, if AEG wasn't denying it "there wouldn't be a trial that's about to last for three months".
 
Re: Randy Phillips ADMITS AEG hired Conrad Murray!

...rp - "so, WE hired him" (cm)

:yes: It doesn't get any clearer than that
Yes I hear that, but it was clarified many times "the decision to hire Murray was soley Michael Jackson's choice" he said ." it never took effect because it required Michael's signature (permission)." "It was at Michael insistence to hire his own personal physician." That MJ had the final say. It was in Michael contract that Michael would reimburse for his medical care. You have to also put words in context. take the whole .. not just 3-4 words to find the truth of the matter... Murray himself say Michael was his employer. Murray's attorney also defended that position. I think We need more information - mainly the contracts themselves. IMO I think it very clear MJ wanted AEG to hire Murray in his behalf. We know AEG didn't know Murray and that he was treating Michael before AEG knew anything about him. It was BOTH their decisions once the contract was signed.. not just AEG. But neither MJ or AEG signed or finalized that contract. Yes It was spoken and implied by the contract, but they would not legally hire him nor could they hire him without both theirs and Michael's signature on that contract. Now legally if implied that means they hired him so be it ... but that doesn't take away the fact that it was Michael who wanted to hire Murray on his tour to treat him. Anyone who denies that is not speaking the whole truth of this matter_ IMO.
 
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:yes: It doesn't get any clearer than that

It's not as clear as that

1. no contract was signed. it's a decision for a jury to decide whether an oral contract and/or negotiations are binding
2. the contract says Murray was being hired on the request of Michael. It's a decision for jury who really hired Murray : Michael with advanced money from AEG or AEG

and even if they decide Murray was hired by AEG, they still need to decide

3. if the hiring is negligent?
4. Who is responsible for Michael's death and if AEG shares any responsibility or not?

and then finally

5. damages

Also statements to the media aren't necessarily the gospel
 
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It's not as clear as that
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3. if the hiring is negligent?

4. Who is responsible for Michael's death and if AEG shares any responsibility or not?

and then finally

5. damages

^ that, I agree with.

As for who CM's employer was, there's no ? imo
 
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the key word is "IMO" and it's obvious that the judge and the contract law disagrees with you. Otherwise the jury wouldn't be asked the question "who hired Murray" and they would be just asked the question "if AEG is responsible"
 
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ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 25m
BREAKING NEWS: Judge Yvette Palazuelos DENIED our request for cameras in the courtroom. Trial will NOT be televised.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 25m
Ruling came in very late in the day today. Judge served the parties with the order. We also obtained a copy of the ruling.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 22m
Judge Palazuelos says she recognizes that federal and state law provides for the right of access to trial proceedings.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 21m
However, judge says while media has the right to attend open proceedings, they do not have a constitutional right to photograph them.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 20m
We will be live tweeting from the courthouse every day of the trial. You can also check live reports @ABC7 and on our website.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 19m
Judge has denied live tweeting from the courtroom. But we'll take detailed notes and will tweet everything during the breaks.


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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP
,@Ivy_4MJ Don't think it will be a lottery, but partly based on which outlets intend to cover trial most. It's a very small courtroom.

Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP
. @Ivy_4MJ I've inquired about moving to a bigger courtroom, but court says none are available. Same answer for overflow room.
 
ivy;3801696 said:
the key word is "IMO" and it's obvious that the judge and the contract law disagrees with you. Otherwise the jury wouldn't be asked the question "who hired Murray" and they would be just asked the question "if AEG is responsible"

Point taken.

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Re: Randy Phillips ADMITS AEG hired Conrad Murray!

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 25m
BREAKING NEWS: Judge Yvette Palazuelos DENIED our request for cameras in the courtroom. Trial will NOT be televised.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 25m
Ruling came in very late in the day today. Judge served the parties with the order. We also obtained a copy of the ruling.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 22m
Judge Palazuelos says she recognizes that federal and state law provides for the right of access to trial proceedings.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 21m
However, judge says while media has the right to attend open proceedings, they do not have a constitutional right to photograph them.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 20m
We will be live tweeting from the courthouse every day of the trial. You can also check live reports @ABC7 and on our website.

ABC7 Court News ?@ABC7Courts 19m
Judge has denied live tweeting from the courtroom. But we'll take detailed notes and will tweet everything during the breaks.


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Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP
,@Ivy_4MJ Don't think it will be a lottery, but partly based on which outlets intend to cover trial most. It's a very small courtroom.

Anthony McCartney @mccartneyAP
. @Ivy_4MJ I've inquired about moving to a bigger courtroom, but court says none are available. Same answer for overflow room.

Thank God! We already have enough of this mess.
 
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YES!!! I am grateful that it is not televised & that the courtroom is small. There will be less reporters in a small room to make biased reports. No cameras mean less people getting worldwide coverage about all the disgusting statements that will be made about Michael. Sorry grandma; I know your side wanted the cameras so the world would know the "truth."
 
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The details of the trial will still be publicized. There will be reports - with slants/biases from most of the journalists within the courtroom - that can be read instead of hearing/seeing testimony via television personally.
 
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The details of the trial will still be publicized. There will be reports - with slants/biases from most of the journalists within the courtroom - that can be read instead of hearing/seeing testimony via television personally.

Some fans have already offered to get court documents directly. so, this should not be of a concern. The media obviously wanted to cash in but got knocked down instead on this front, which is good to see.
 
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Some fans have already offered to get court documents directly. so, this should not be of a concern. The media obviously wanted to cash in but got knocked down instead on this front, which is good to see.

I'm affraid that fans getting the court documents directly will not prevent major media outlets to twist anything they want to and to omit important little details. It will only allow fans to know the truth.
 
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CM trial was televised but that didn't stop media printing untruths and biased reports.

Next thing I want to hear that there is a gag order in place for both side, and one especially for LaToya.

Only 10 seats for media, I hope Anthony McCarney or Linda Deutch from AP get 1 of them.
 
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yessss!

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I'm affraid that fans getting the court documents directly will not prevent major media outlets to twist anything they want to and to omit important little details. It will only allow fans to know the truth.

Excatly especially when diane dimwit is now on the loose with this trial you know shes gonna spit every untruth she can think of
 
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I'm affraid that fans getting the court documents directly will not prevent major media outlets to twist anything they want to and to omit important little details. It will only allow fans to know the truth.

Live coverage or not, the media have a habit of manipulating information.

Plus, I doubt many people outside the fan community give a damn about this trial. Really, if anything they are quite fed up with the excessive media coverage.
 
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I'm affraid that fans getting the court documents directly will not prevent major media outlets to twist anything they want to and to omit important little details. It will only allow fans to know the truth.

The difference is that with it not being televised there will be less media coverage to bring the biased reporting around the world. We all know that there will still be biased footage. The forum will have summaries of the actual testimonies from key witnesses posted here. We all know that the public view this forum, and will get the accurate information too. I am going to remain positive about the decision made by the judge in this case. This is her 2nd positive decision--kicking out most of the allegations & denying cameras.
 
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Honestly there would be biased reporting whether there are cameras there or not. It's really only fans who would watch every second that we could or who would read every word of a transcript. The media will always tak the most dramatic element and run with it.
 
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I hoped there was live coverage. Most of the reporters are going to say whatever they want & people won't have any choice but to hear what they say. There's a big probability that in court they're going to say atrocities about Michael and the reporters will only multiply those atrocities, and what people are going to believe?

I learned a lot from Michael & his family on this board, but there are many people who don't know many of the things this family has made. People might think that Michael was wasted on drugs, that AEG is inderectly responsible for Michael's death and that his family only wants justice. And I believe, while I hope it doesn't happen, the media will put more focus on whatever the Jacksons & AEG will say about Michael and drugs.

How I wish a reporter like Aphrodite is in the audience and report just what's being said in court. My only hope now is that the Jackson's ship sink, I don't want to see them sailing on money.
 
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Cameras or not makes no difference to what the public will hear. it only makes a diff to us. the public get their news in soundbites and short reports. they will know what the media want them to know as the public have no intrest watching 8 hrs a day of live footage. so in the scheme of things it makes no difference at all except for those who care enough to watch non stop footage. and tbh were cnn gonba show non stop streaming or just pick and choose clips
 
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I know that I know diddly squat about employment law but I would be surprised if there was a huge payout if the jury only find that AEG employed Murray, especially given that Michael knew Murray prior to AEG and does appear to be Michaels choice.
 
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